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In This Issue:
4R70W stuff....
congress/e-mail charges`
Please dont spam here!
Help Finding Exhaust Parts
Re: congress/e-mail charges`
Re: 4R70W and clunk
ADMIN: Trim footers
ADMIN: Web search is back up
Re: Help Finding Exhaust Parts
Clunking 4R70W
ADMIN: Chat is back up
Re: Instrument clusters
Re: Axle Code
Help Finding Exhaust Parts
Re: Help Finding Exhaust Parts
Re: Help Finding Exhaust Parts
Re: update dead truck
Re: Rear Diff service
need information
Re: Axle Code
Re: Instrument clusters
Thanks for Tranny ID Help
Re: Help Finding Exhaust Parts

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: 4R70W stuff....
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:25:37 -0500

Well Gang, just got off the phone with Bauman Engineering and they tell me
there actually was a Ford recall on the converters in 94-95 on this tranny
:-( Ford says they don't have any idea what I'm talking about of course :-(

Bauman does not take credit cards at this time but you can send them a check
and they will ship to you in the old fashioned way. I ordered a gasket set,
pressure regulator valve and bypass clutch control valve for the bird. The
person I talked to said this will not cure a worn converter but if there is
any life left in it a fluid change along with these parts may fix it and
make it live longer, otherwise they can sell me a beefed up converter with
stock stall speed for about $360 and ford has replacement ones for about
$200 (I think he was guessing there, not sure?) Anyway for $52 I get all
this shipped to my door and 5 minutes after they get here I will have a bird
that's fun to drive again :-) If it still chatters then I can replace the
converter and be back in business for sure :-) If I decide to sell the bird
then It will be more saleable too :-)

It's interesting that they recommend replacing an AOD with an AOD-E or 4R70W
and using their TCS control to run it and that it is a stronger tranny than
the AOD due to the input shaft arrangement apparently and is also cheaper to
beef up. The TCS is $400. Too bad these companies don't put prices on the
page so a guy doesn't have to call to find out he can't afford or can afford
them :-( If I'd known these parts were so cheap they would already be in
the tranny.......you don't even have to take it off or even tear it down,
just pull the valve body which is a piece a cake......just have to try to
avoid drinking all the fluid when I pull the pan......:-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--


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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:24:00 -0600
From: Steve Deis attglobal.net>
Subject: congress/e-mail charges`

Bruce, WTF???

Too lazy to check this sh1t out before sending a bazillion lines of
urban myth BS that's been on the net for at least a year??

Get a life, please. I joined this list for the FORD stuff.

Please add your message to about a gallon of KY; you know the rest.

steve in tx

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Date: 12 Feb 2000 09:24:21 -0800
From: "David W" spiritone.com>
Subject: Please dont spam here!

> From: Bruce Ramirez erols.com>
> Organization: Mid-Atlantic Laundry Equipment Co., Inc.
>

Congress to Allow E-mail Charges
>

Please pass this on to all you know
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From: LGRanch aol.com
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:37:32 EST
Subject: Help Finding Exhaust Parts

Ok I am sure that someone out there has had to find the crossover pipe and to
(2) cat converters before the muffler. This is for a 90 Bronco with a 5
liter. This part listed as a single unit from Ford and is NO LONGER
available. Walker says they care a universal set of cat converters, but they
ones I have found are NOT CORRECT.

Please do not suggest I bypass the cats, it is not an option in my state and
the use of my vehicle. Also in my state you can not buy these parts from a
wrecking yard.

HELP SOMEONE I AM SURE KNOWS WHERE TO GET THESE PARTS.

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:05:24 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: congress/e-mail charges`

At 10:24 AM 2/12/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Bruce, WTF???
>
>Too lazy to check this sh1t out before sending a bazillion lines of
>urban myth BS that's been on the net for at least a year??
>
>Get a life, please. I joined this list for the FORD stuff.
>
>Please add your message to about a gallon of KY; you know the rest.
>
>steve in tx

Steve is out of here. This sort of language is not welcome here.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr." exit109.com>
Subject: Re: 4R70W and clunk
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:30:34 -0500

Rich,

I betcha it's those d mn rivets that hold the radius arm brackets to the
frame. They loosened up on my '95 and the dealer "snugged" them up. The
problem re-surfaced after another 6 months and I drilled them out and
replaced them with 1/2" grade 8 bolts. No problems since.
You'd be amazed how much noise those things can make, and how many other
things you suspect before you find the real problem.

-Mike

>I have a 96 F150 with the 4R70W trans, and when I take off from a
>stop-light, i get a "clunk". What can be causeing that? Is it in the
>rear-end or the trans?


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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:24:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Trim footers

Can everyone discipline themselves to remove the unsubscribe
information footer from the bottom of messages when replying?
It's getting old seeing 4 of them on a multiple message reply.
If the list can't self-police themselves with this, I'll have
to set up a filter to bounce such posts.

Thanks,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:33:37 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Web search is back up

The Ford Truck Enthusiasts web search is working again.
It's very fast and will search about 200 meg of content
in about 2-5 seconds.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:01:56 -0500
From: S Spaulding worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Help Finding Exhaust Parts

Are you saying that the converter setup is no longer available from
Ford? That's where I got mine a few years ago, to the tune of about
$400! I was unable to find a source other than Ford, either.
Ironically, my '91, which was built in November of 1990, takes a lot of
specific MY'90 parts, including the catalytic converters. The '91
converters I ordered were different, and I had to reorder and wait for
'90. Luckily, I recognized it before I walked out of the dealer.

The Midas/Meineke type places all said it was a dealer-only part, too,
and that they could not weld up universal type cats to fit it.

Keep the list informed, because this is important to those of us in some
states.

Steve

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:13:57 -0500
From: S Spaulding worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Clunking 4R70W

My '96 Crown Victoria (I know, its not a truck...) also provides a
pronounced clunk occasionally from a stop, or from low speeds in stop
and go traffic. It has about 55,000 miles on it.

According to the local L-M dealer, this is common, and there is a TSB
covering it. It is caused by scoring in the 1-2 accumulator, which can
be replaced without tearing it down. I haven't taken care of it yet,
and I don't know what it costs. I did not review the TSB, so I don't
know if it covers all the 4R70W variations. You should be able to find
a listing on the NHTSA website, although you won't get any details.

Make sure you keep the fluid changed. Ford recommends 21,000 miles for
severe service and 27,000 for normal service.

Steve

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:08:39 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Chat is back up

It's been a productive day so far. The Ford Truck
Enthusiasts web chat is back up. The Java VM we're
running is a much newer version than the one on our
previous server. It should be much more stable.
However, as a precautionary measure, it will restart
every hour until I'm comfortable with its operation.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:07:22 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Instrument clusters

Hi Gary,
Oh Boy, another member of the 'Gunna Club' ??? I thought I was the only one in
that Club.
I'm gunna do this, and I gunna do that....... the things I have to do, plus the
things I would like to do, is always far more than the available hours in the
day. ;-))
My Ex Ambo '85 F100 had serious surgery to the centre dash, the part where the
original radio/cassette player would have gone, I have cleaned up that to look
more presentable. But since I have dual alternators/batteries installed, the two
each amp & volt gauges already take up most of that bit of dashboard real
estate.

No doubt Ford, in their infinite wisdom will argue that gauges are mostly
ignored or worst still, misinterpreted by the end users, and even in my own
experience, my wife only needs a speedo (occasionally!!) and a very large red
General Fault Light, cause anything else, including the fuel gauge, will be
ignored, sorry mis-interpreted. Does anybody else have this problem of serious
overnight fuel evaporation? She drives home and claims, there is plenty in the
tank, and when you go out in the morning, there is hardly enought to start the
engine? One of the great continuing mysteries of the modern world......

The only reason I haven't torn out the stock instrument cluster and replaced
with OEM or some of those nice looking ones out of the SVO catalog, is the
unavailability of a speedo that reads KPH, instead of MPH, what a bummer. Other
than that slight hiccup, I was planning to use Ally plate, and probably cover it
in one of those generic fake, 'genuine wood grain' finishes. That has still got
to look better than the fake 'Carbon Fiber' look thats the rage at the moment,
or am I showing my age? That should get rid of most of the chrome, and rattles
and squeaks from the plastic to plastic rubbing parts of the dash. What's that
old saying about Chrome? If it don't go, Chrome it!! Other than that I'm open
to any suggestions for practical dash surgery.

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


"Peters, Gary (G.R.)" wrote:

> >>Later gauges are nothing more than on/off switches....if the sender is
> sending "some" kind of signal they are on but if the signal dies they are
> off so what you see is a designed in value for "on" not the actual pressure
> value. Mechanical or electrical aftermarket gauges are accurate and
> actually tell you what is going on.
>
> I'm one of those guys who is not impressed with plastic trim on the dash and
> will eventually eliminate all the stock junk and try to make up a nice metal
> replacement to fit the stock radio and heater controls into and even the
> glove box and perhaps still use the original dash pad on top, not sure how I
> will do that yet. Right now my door panels are flapping and all broken up
> and the plastic dash parts are cracked and broken and flapping in the breeze
> so replacing them will not be a loss IMNSHO :-) and
> ......and......and.......Anybody else
> having as much trouble getting up to speed with their projects as I am?
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary >>


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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:49:06 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon cnx.net>
Subject: Re: Axle Code

> I found that code listed under E-150:
>limited slip, 3.50:1 ratio, Ford, 3750# capacity. Sound right?

I checked the door code and it was H6. The tag on the axle said: S319D 3L50
9 4L19. Doesn't make sense to me but I'm sure it makes sense to someone!
Chris

'84 F150
351W on propane
NP 435
NP 208
285K Km


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From: slikness mindspring.com
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:40:27 -0500
Subject: Help Finding Exhaust Parts

Hmmm; I must be missing something here. Why wouldn't a muffler shop be able to build your cross over and weld in a cat before the muffler? When I put true duals on mine, I put on two 12" long DynoMax cats that work great and no problems with the inspectors. It cost me $450 bucks to get the system built (all aluminum) to go around my two tanks and back out under the bumpers.

Slik

>The Midas/Meineke type places all said it was a dealer-only part, too, and that they could not weld up universal type cats to fit it.<


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From: LGRanch aol.com
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:40:02 EST
Subject: Re: Help Finding Exhaust Parts

Yes Ford NO LONGER sells the cat convertes for 90 and 91 Broncos

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From: ACMERCG aol.com
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:46:46 EST
Subject: Re: Help Finding Exhaust Parts

In a message dated 02/12/2000 9:41:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
LGRanch aol.com writes:

< < Yes Ford NO LONGER sells the cat convertes for 90 and 91 Broncos > >

I remember some one one this list (Wayne?) saying BBK was building Y pipes to
order for like $300. Maybe check them out, or consider calling a company
like Summit or Jegs.

Joe
lost in jersey

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:38:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "Casey R. Vandor" yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: update dead truck

I saw a similar problem mentioned on his site but I am still trying to
follow what he gives as an answer. As far as the t- connectors someone mentioned, they don't
seem to be wet. I will crawl under tommorow and look at the heat shrunk plastic to steel
connector to check there. Assuming it is bad, is the only solution to reshrink it? Is there
any way to check for a leak on the fuel rails? ANy ideas on a good way to check for air
leaks? It stalled twice while driving today also and would not restart until I pulled a bunch
of fuel out of the schrader valve and dumped it in the manifold.


I hate to say it, but even with the trouble, I still am glad to be behind
the wheel of a truck again!!

Thanks,
Casey


> > >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >Check out this link
> > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/idi2.htm
> > >
> > >About 1/2 way down the page he talks about stalling after start-up.Casey
look at the fuel
> > line
> > >next to the frame on the drivers side in front of
> > >the switch over valve, the plastic line is heat shrunk over the steel
line. If
> > >this is wet, then that is problaby where your air is getting sucked in.
Write
> > >to the diesel man below, he knows about how to trouble shoot a problem.
Tom
> > >dieselmann intellidog.com.
> > >He may be able to help you out on this.

__________________________________________________
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Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
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From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:45:26 -0600
Subject: Re: Rear Diff service

> My 1985 F150 I-6 300 has approx. 100K miles on it and I wanted to
> service
> the rear differential this weekend. From the code in the door frame I
> have
> the 3.08 rear axle (thanks for the decode "DannyF"). I was wondering if
> there are any tricks to this job, and I am looking for recommendations
> on
> what type of fluid (weight/brand) I should fill the differential with.
>
> Thanks,
> Rich Koser

Easy method is to get a "suction pump"($10-15) from most auto
parts stores and suck it out of the fill plug(pass side of diff). After
you have worked the tube around and get nothing put "slurping" pull
it out and start sucking out of new hypoid gear lube(85-90W or
equiv.) container and push it into the fill hole. Lube should be just
below fill hole when full. The 8.8 rear will take about 2 1/2 qts.

Or you can use the pump to suction out but get the convenient
pump/lube kit to transfer the lube from the plastic lube container.

A more thorough draining is done by removing the diff cover,
draining then clean seal surface, apply RTV as a gasket(thats what
the factory used) and reinstall cover. Let the RTV set up overnight
and pump in your lube.

Or pay $20 and let Jiffy Lube do it in 15 mins. Caution: they're
incredably skilled at screwing *something* up, even w/this minor
procedure.
Danny
fitz011 ev1.net

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From: "Joel Thomas" prodigy.net>
Subject: need information
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:11:21 -0600


I have a 84 F-150HD SWB 4x4
351W
T-18
Dana44TTB
9" rear

I am putting on a flat bed replacing my regular bed
so I can drag a 5th wheel easier
and have more room to haul stuff.

my question is.
I dont have the funds AT ALL to buy a 1-ton truck at all so please don't say you need to get a bigger truck, because I can't.
but my question is I need to know some ways to beef up the frame to have a tougher truck for hauling big loads like a lot of hay(and yes hay does get heavy)
and tons of wood and other stuff
and I think I need a beefier frame(DO I)
I have put on huge load carrying leaf springs that bolt on to the stock springs that helped a whole lot
and am considering putting in a 10.25 dually
with f-350 springs.
But my question is the way to beef it up.
I have had the exact same load in my truck and a 85 LWB chevy 4wd and the chevy swayed all over the road and mine stayed easily controlled.
bed full of wood and big trailer on back full of wood.

so it doesn't sway


can I get any help on this??
like making crossmembers and where to put them or anyhting like that ???


thank you,
Joel Thomas
Little Rock,AR



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From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 00:03:30 EST
Subject: Re: Axle Code

<< The tag on the axle said: S319D 3L50
9 4L19. Doesn't make sense to me but I'm sure it makes sense to someone!
Chris >>

4L19 = built Nov.19, 1984
S319D = built at the Sterling Plant
9 = 9 inch Ford
3L50 = 5.50:1 limited slip
Very good rear-end.... I'm jealous. I tossed my 3.50 and replaced it with a
3.0:1 non-L/S, it helped my highway mileage and put my top speed way beyond
the limits of the speedo, but a couple times a year I wish I had the old one
back, like when I'm out in the back woods hunting for arrow heads and it
starts to rain.
Alex

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From: FULSZBRONCaol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 00:47:14 EST
Subject: Re: Instrument clusters

< with OEM or some of those nice looking ones out of the SVO catalog, is the
unavailability of a speedo that reads KPH, instead of MPH, what a bummer. >>

Hi Les,
Which side of the cab is the steering wheel on? I really don't know much
about
where your Ford Trucks come from, but I'm sure you can enlighten us. Are
they the same configurations as what we drive in the States? Our friends to
the North use KPH speedo's, so there may be a source on this list for a good
used one if they are compatible.


<< What's that old saying about Chrome? If it don't go, Chrome it!! >>

More like: "chrome don't get you home"
Alex

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From: apowellezlink.com
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 23:58:54 -0700
Subject: Thanks for Tranny ID Help

Gents, thanks for the comments on the tranny in my '93 F-150. I think we've
determined that it must be an E40D. That sounds like good news to me.

Greg's comment on the Baumann tranny site:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com/pguide.htm
was especially helpful, as it has a rundown on each tranny, and also confirms
something I've heard before. My E40D is an early model and when it's rebuilt
at some (hopefully distant) time, there are a number of upgrades I should
have done to it.

Thanks again...
__
++++++++++++++++++++WSU-CSU+++++++++++++++++
Al Powell
ApowellEZlink.com
1958 Fiat 1200 Spyder "Transformabile"
1983 Datsun 280ZXT
1990 Audi 200
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ezlink.com/~powells/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:49:23 -0500
From: Martin Horne optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Help Finding Exhaust Parts

At 12:37 PM 2/12/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok I am sure that someone out there has had to find the crossover pipe and to
>(2) cat converters before the muffler. This is for a 90 Bronco with a 5
>liter. This part listed as a single unit from Ford and is NO LONGER
>available. Walker says they care a universal set of cat converters, but they
>ones I have found are NOT CORRECT.


Have you tried http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.discountconverter.com/ ? Worth a call, they have
a guy in parts who really seems to know his stuff.
Martin Horne
'86 Bronco
Long Island, NY

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