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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 80-96-list); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:26:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:26:32 -0500 (EST) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 80-96-list digest users Reply-to: 80-96-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 80-96-list Digest V2000 #41 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 80-96-list Digest Mon, 20 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 041 In This Issue: Re: Oh NO E4OD again??????? Re: Okay MSD users, my fate rides on your opinions! Click Fixed? Re: Okay MSD users, my fate rides on your opinions! Re: MSD ignition Re: MSD ignition Valve Cover Color MSD & Spark plugs comments Re: Valve Cover Color ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spruce1495 aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:24:43 EST Subject: Re: Oh NO E4OD again??????? I would imagine your "shudder" is the torque converter locking up. I get in mine just about every shift from OD back to straight drive. Doesn't seem to be a problem, trans. has close to 100K on it, tows a 5th wheel no problem. Bill in KY ------------------------------ From: Spruce1495 aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:26:20 EST Subject: Re: Okay MSD users, my fate rides on your opinions! I wouldn't put Bosch Plats in a lawn mower. Motorcraft coppers are a good plug to use in 302's. Bill in KY ------------------------------ From: apowell ezlink.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:39:00 -0700 Subject: Click Fixed? Friends, I think that the click is gone from the LF corner of my '93 F-150. The culprit seems to have been the outboard disc brake pad. It had enough slack on its mount to move 1/4" or more. Rather than pull the caliper, I braced the pad from underneath with a pry bar and peened the ends of the pad down until they fit more snugly on the caliper. Three days of driving...and no click! It has been pulling a hair to the left since I did this, so I probably changed the relationship of the pad to the rotor disc by doing this, but I figure it will wear back in within a few hundred miles. Thanks! __ ++++++++++++++++++++WSU-CSU+++++++++++++++++ Al Powell Apowell EZlink.com 1958 Fiat 1200 Spyder "Transformabile" 1983 Datsun 280ZXT 1990 Audi 200 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ezlink.com/~powells/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: "Gary R. Peters" Subject: Re: Okay MSD users, my fate rides on your opinions! Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:29:06 -0800 Gang, Platinum plugs really have only one purpose. They are designed for super high output ignitions systems in ultra lean burn engines. The platinum holds up better so they last longer but they require more spark energy to even be equal to the standard copper plugs in performance. If you put these in an older engine and see an improvment then I would venture that your original plugs were in very, very poor shape. Autolite makes good platinum plugs and some say they are better than the Bosch. If you upgrade to the MSD 6 or similar then the platinum is indicated but otherwise they are not going to do you any good and may even hurt your performance. The best performance you can hope for comes from non resistor, copper plugs and helical wound wire cables, even with stock ignitions. With modern, after market high energy ignitions the platinum will last longer but the copper will still give the hottest spark :-) -- 78 Bronco Loving, Michigan Pot Hole Jumping Gary -- ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Harmier To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 4:57 PM Subject: [80-96-list] Okay MSD users, my fate rides on your opinions! > My Dads '91 F-150 5.8/E4OD gets pretty miserable mileage. At least one > motorhome owner (admittedly with a 460) has reported favorable results. And > Jegs has MSD 5 for $78.99. Plugs-Wires are fairly new, although his old > Ranger responded well to Bosch Platinum, this got standard Autolites. > Anyone else with 5.8 using Bosch with good result? The truck runs great, > will slaughter my 5.0..... > > So??????? > > Dave H. > Houston > Stable of Fords > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > message. > ------------------------------ From: "Dave Harmier" Subject: Re: MSD ignition Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:03:39 -0600 Wayne says If you want to go with an MSD box, I would at least run the 6A or the 6AL. I have the 6AL and I love it. The spark is double the stock output and if I stay off the pedal it gains me 2-3 mpg city, double that highway. The 6AL has a rev limit feature, and more diverse features than the 5A. I would also go with their Blaster TFI coil that bolts right in to the factory location. You will have to get the adapter harness that plugs right in to the Ford ignition harness. My total investment on the ignition system including the above parts is about $200. Worth it IMHO. Les says: I'm using the 6al on propane and very happy with the result. Just make sure you budget for the extras, i.e. cap, rotor, coil, leads, etc ........ I say: But gentlemen, a 5 is 80 bucks, a 6a is 132, a 6al is 172, plus coil wires etc. Budget allows maybe 100 all done (we have a play car that needs an engine dudes!) It's NOT a race truck (NO need of Rev Control) and it runs pretty darn good now, just gets like 12.5 driven any way you drive it, mileage means the most!!!! Dave H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:11:30 +1100 From: les williams Subject: Re: MSD ignition Hi Dave, 6al for $172 ... Wow .... what are you complaining about, s.r.price is $502 aud, down here. To set up for a reliable installation of msd, the project cost close to $800 aud. Down here in Oz, if you find someone using msd, after asking them does it work ? The second comment will be 'Sh*t, it's expensive !!!' 'O.K Do you want to sell it ?' The answer is always 'NO' My truck is street only, so the rev limiter isn't critical either but swapping the module over to the 3000 rpm unit, just before dad(?) is about to take it for a long drive down Hwy 1, will earn you extra brownie points in the aggravation stakes!!! ;-)) When you 'fess up to what was done, the look on his face should be worth $100 .... If you go with the unit Wayne & I think you should go with, don't forget you can change it over to another truck, in the near future, but once you have tried it, I'll be very suprised if you will want to give it back. An easy test at this point is if you do install it, run for a week on msd, then swap the ignition back to stock for a week, and see if you can tell the difference. I lasted 1 day, and the stock ignition system had no problems either, especially just for petrol fuel. .... I'm still having Fun anyway....usually in a Ford....;-)) regards Les Lost in the Land of OZ Dave Harmier wrote: > > But gentlemen, a 5 is 80 bucks, a 6a is 132, a 6al is 172, plus coil wires > etc. > Budget allows maybe 100 all done (we have a play car that needs an engine > dudes!) > It's NOT a race truck (NO need of Rev Control) and it runs pretty darn good > now, just gets like 12.5 driven any way you drive it, mileage means the > most!!!! > > Dave H. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:13:37 -0800 From: Chuck Sanborn Subject: Valve Cover Color The valve cover on my '86 F-150, I-6 is presently a peeling gray color with tinges of rust mixed in. What, pray tell, is the original color of this valve cover. I thank you and my wife thanks you, Chuck ------------------------------ From: Fred Moreno Subject: MSD & Spark plugs comments Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:55:49 -0700 Hey Dave, Okay just about everyone knows I work at Autotronics - MSD Ignition (actually in the Alt. Fuels div.), so I will proceed with care. Given your situation where you are considering buying an MSD ignition, I agree with Wayne's suggestion of going for one of the 6 series. The MSD 5 is a fine unit but still an inductive unit. It is a true Multiple Spark and will certainly pick you up off the ground should you provide a "better ground path". It also has a 20 degree spark duration. The 6 series is a capacitive discharge and takes a lot of the work away from your stock coil and makes the ignition do most of the work. The 6 series just provide more energy to the spark plugs. We literally use the connections to your battery for a very good reason. The 6AL has a built in RPM limiter that you can set the limit just by changing little plugs. These plugs come in just about any RPM range. We have some customers that run a 5000 or 6000 RPM plug, but when someone else borrows the car/truck, they can quickly install a 3500 RPM plug. That way they know the engine won't get abuse. Of course if you have teenagers that are 'car-keys' hungry, I can get you a 2500 RPM plug (LOL). BUT word of caution: MSD ignitions and platinum spark plugs do not go together well. For whatever reason, the ignition will eat your platinum plugs. Figure on cutting the life span of the platinum plugs in half if you decide to use them with an MSD ignition. The tech guys suggest your standard spark plugs and gapping them wider does not hurt. Some racers don't even bother gapping the plugs, they just cut the electrode right off...Don't recommend doing this for a daily driver or work truck, I'm just pointing out the type of energy involved here. V-groove, and all those other types of plugs work also, but they cost more and may or may not perform much better, it's all up to operator. Quality of your cap, wires, and rotor will have to be monitored because you will have much more energy contained in your secondary system, and you will need to keep it contained. All the energy in the world does you no good if for example your spark plug wires are allowing arcing to occur. If you should have any questions, feel free to email me directly, or visit, we are just down I-10 from Houston....Heck, I would love to come and visit your stable of Fords. Phred 1995 F-150 4X4, propane or gasoline fed 5.0L, 5 speed, MSD 6-Digital (its an 'arc-welder' too). ------------------------------ From: Spruce1495 aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:27:05 EST Subject: Re: Valve Cover Color It was probably grey in color with a hint of rust mixed in. No just kidding. probably all grey, thats what mine was. Have a Jasper now and it's all grey - green color. 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