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80-96-list Digest Mon, 20 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 041

In This Issue:
Re: Oh NO E4OD again???????
Re: Okay MSD users, my fate rides on your opinions!
Click Fixed?
Re: Okay MSD users, my fate rides on your opinions!
Re: MSD ignition
Re: MSD ignition
Valve Cover Color
MSD & Spark plugs comments
Re: Valve Cover Color

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From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:24:43 EST
Subject: Re: Oh NO E4OD again???????

I would imagine your "shudder" is the torque converter locking up. I get in
mine just about every shift from OD back to straight drive. Doesn't seem to
be a problem, trans. has close to 100K on it, tows a 5th wheel no problem.

Bill in KY

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From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:26:20 EST
Subject: Re: Okay MSD users, my fate rides on your opinions!

I wouldn't put Bosch Plats in a lawn mower. Motorcraft coppers are a good
plug to use in 302's.

Bill in KY

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From: apowell ezlink.com
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:39:00 -0700
Subject: Click Fixed?

Friends, I think that the click is gone from the LF corner of my '93 F-150. The
culprit seems to have been the outboard disc brake pad. It had enough slack
on its mount to move 1/4" or more.

Rather than pull the caliper, I braced the pad from underneath with a pry bar
and peened the ends of the pad down until they fit more snugly on the caliper.
Three days of driving...and no click!

It has been pulling a hair to the left since I did this, so I probably changed the
relationship of the pad to the rotor disc by doing this, but I figure it will wear
back in within a few hundred miles.

Thanks!


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From: "Gary R. Peters" lni.net>
Subject: Re: Okay MSD users, my fate rides on your opinions!
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:29:06 -0800

Gang, Platinum plugs really have only one purpose. They are designed for
super high output ignitions systems in ultra lean burn engines. The
platinum holds up better so they last longer but they require more spark
energy to even be equal to the standard copper plugs in performance. If you
put these in an older engine and see an improvment then I would venture that
your original plugs were in very, very poor shape.

Autolite makes good platinum plugs and some say they are better than the
Bosch. If you upgrade to the MSD 6 or similar then the platinum is
indicated but otherwise they are not going to do you any good and may even
hurt your performance.

The best performance you can hope for comes from non resistor, copper plugs
and helical wound wire cables, even with stock ignitions. With modern,
after market high energy ignitions the platinum will last longer but the
copper will still give the hottest spark :-)

--
78 Bronco Loving, Michigan
Pot Hole Jumping Gary
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Subject: [80-96-list] Okay MSD users, my fate rides on your opinions!


> My Dads '91 F-150 5.8/E4OD gets pretty miserable mileage. At least one
> motorhome owner (admittedly with a 460) has reported favorable results.
And
> Jegs has MSD 5 for $78.99. Plugs-Wires are fairly new, although his old
> Ranger responded well to Bosch Platinum, this got standard Autolites.
> Anyone else with 5.8 using Bosch with good result? The truck runs great,
> will slaughter my 5.0.....
>
> So???????
>
> Dave H.
> Houston
> Stable of Fords
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From: "Dave Harmier" pdq.net>
Subject: Re: MSD ignition
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:03:39 -0600

Wayne says

If you want to go with an MSD box, I would at least run the 6A or the 6AL.
I
have the 6AL and I love it. The spark is double the stock output and if I
stay off the pedal it gains me 2-3 mpg city, double that highway. The 6AL
has
a rev limit feature, and more diverse features than the 5A. I would also go

with their Blaster TFI coil that bolts right in to the factory location.
You
will have to get the adapter harness that plugs right in to the Ford
ignition
harness. My total investment on the ignition system including the above
parts
is about $200. Worth it IMHO.


Les says:

I'm using the 6al on propane and very happy with the result. Just make sure
you budget for the extras, i.e. cap, rotor, coil, leads, etc ........

I say:

But gentlemen, a 5 is 80 bucks, a 6a is 132, a 6al is 172, plus coil wires
etc.
Budget allows maybe 100 all done (we have a play car that needs an engine
dudes!)
It's NOT a race truck (NO need of Rev Control) and it runs pretty darn good
now, just gets like 12.5 driven any way you drive it, mileage means the
most!!!!

Dave H.



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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:11:30 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: MSD ignition

Hi Dave,

6al for $172 ... Wow .... what are you complaining about, s.r.price is $502
aud, down here.
To set up for a reliable installation of msd, the project cost close to $800
aud. Down here in Oz, if you find someone using msd, after asking them does it
work ? The second comment will be 'Sh*t, it's expensive !!!' 'O.K Do you want
to sell it ?' The answer is always 'NO'

My truck is street only, so the rev limiter isn't critical either but swapping
the module over to the 3000 rpm unit, just before dad(?) is about to take it
for a long drive down Hwy 1, will earn you extra brownie points in the
aggravation stakes!!! ;-)) When you 'fess up to what was done, the look on his
face should be worth $100 ....

If you go with the unit Wayne & I think you should go with, don't forget you
can change it over to another truck, in the near future, but once you have
tried it, I'll be very suprised if you will want to give it back. An easy test
at this point is if you do install it, run for a week on msd, then swap the
ignition back to stock for a week, and see if you can tell the difference. I
lasted 1 day, and the stock ignition system had no problems either, especially
just for petrol fuel.

.... I'm still having Fun anyway....usually in a Ford....;-))

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ




Dave Harmier wrote:

>
> But gentlemen, a 5 is 80 bucks, a 6a is 132, a 6al is 172, plus coil wires
> etc.
> Budget allows maybe 100 all done (we have a play car that needs an engine
> dudes!)
> It's NOT a race truck (NO need of Rev Control) and it runs pretty darn good
> now, just gets like 12.5 driven any way you drive it, mileage means the
> most!!!!
>
> Dave H.
>


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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:13:37 -0800
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Valve Cover Color

The valve cover on my '86 F-150, I-6 is presently a peeling
gray color with tinges of rust mixed in. What, pray tell, is
the original color of this valve cover.
I thank you and my wife thanks you,
Chuck


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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: MSD & Spark plugs comments
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:55:49 -0700

Hey Dave,

Okay just about everyone knows I work at Autotronics - MSD Ignition
(actually in the Alt. Fuels div.), so I will proceed with care.

Given your situation where you are considering buying an MSD ignition, I
agree with Wayne's suggestion of going for one of the 6 series. The MSD 5 is
a fine unit but still an inductive unit. It is a true Multiple Spark and
will certainly pick you up off the ground should you provide a "better
ground path". It also has a 20 degree spark duration.

The 6 series is a capacitive discharge and takes a lot of the work away
from your stock coil and makes the ignition do most of the work. The 6
series just provide more energy to the spark plugs. We literally use the
connections to your battery for a very good reason.
The 6AL has a built in RPM limiter that you can set the limit just by
changing little plugs. These plugs come in just about any RPM range. We have
some customers that run a 5000 or 6000 RPM plug, but when someone else
borrows the car/truck, they can quickly install a 3500 RPM plug. That way
they know the engine won't get abuse. Of course if you have teenagers that
are 'car-keys' hungry, I can get you a 2500 RPM plug (LOL).

BUT word of caution: MSD ignitions and platinum spark plugs do not go
together well.
For whatever reason, the ignition will eat your platinum plugs. Figure on
cutting the life span of the platinum plugs in half if you decide to use
them with an MSD ignition.
The tech guys suggest your standard spark plugs and gapping them wider does
not hurt. Some racers don't even bother gapping the plugs, they just cut the
electrode right off...Don't recommend doing this for a daily driver or work
truck, I'm just pointing out the type of energy involved here.
V-groove, and all those other types of plugs work also, but they cost more
and may or may not perform much better, it's all up to operator.

Quality of your cap, wires, and rotor will have to be monitored because you
will have much more energy contained in your secondary system, and you will
need to keep it contained. All the energy in the world does you no good if
for example your spark plug wires are allowing arcing to occur.

If you should have any questions, feel free to email me directly, or visit,
we are just down I-10 from Houston....Heck, I would love to come and visit
your stable of Fords.

Phred
1995 F-150 4X4, propane or gasoline fed 5.0L, 5 speed, MSD 6-Digital (its
an 'arc-welder' too).

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From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:27:05 EST
Subject: Re: Valve Cover Color

It was probably grey in color with a hint of rust mixed in. No just kidding.
probably all grey, thats what mine was. Have a Jasper now and it's all grey -
green color.

Bill in KY

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