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80-96-list Digest Fri, 10 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 031

In This Issue:
Re: Discount Ford Parts
Gas boycott
Re: Gas boycott
Re: Gas boycott
Power door lock actuator
Re: Gas boycott
300I6/MSD5 mileage data
Re: Gas boycott
Update on my situation :-)
Re: Gas boycott
Re: Modified Slurs
Re: Gas boycott
ADMIN: Message boards have been upgraded.
Re: Gas boycott
Re: Modified Slurs
Re: Oil Pan Removal - Price issues.

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From: Awfanning aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:33:49 EST
Subject: Re: Discount Ford Parts

Discounted OEM parts can be had from several Ford dealers that do mail order. I'm away from home this week, but you can find some of these dealers by visiting shotimes.com, the national mailing list for Taurus SHo owners. Typically you will get 20% off. You can also try to befriend your local Ford parts counter guy. I lucked out - a guy at the local Mercury dealership had been t-boned in his '56 F-100. I brought him a bunch of magazine articles on restoration and pricing (he got screwed by the insurance company). Now I order parts for the Sable, the Taurus and my F-150 from this dealer and get 20% off.

Alan Fanning
'91 SHO, '82 F-150 S'Cab w/4.9l and 4 spd OD mtx

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From: "Nelson Vasconcelos" mindspring.com>
Subject: Gas boycott
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:15:28 -0500

A friend of mine sent this to me, let me know what you guys think.

Thanks,
Nelson

> > Subject: Gasoline - SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU
> KNOW!!!!
> >
> > I bought gas this morning and I paid $1.68/gal for
> 89 Octane!
> >
> >
> > Subject: Don't buy gasoline...April 7-9th
> >
> >
> > Last year on April 30,1999, a gas out was staged
> across Canada and the
> U.S.
> > to bring the price of gas down, and it worked.
> It's time to do something
> > about it again.
> >
> > Only this time lets make it for three days instead
> of just one. The
> > so-called oil cartel decided to slow production to
> drive up gasoline
> > prices. Lets see how many Canadian/American
> people we can get to ban
> > together for a three day period in April, NOT TO
> BUY ANY GASOLINE, during
> > those three days.
> >
> > LETS HAVE A GAS OUT. Do not buy any gasoline from
> APRIL 7, 2000, THROUGH
> > APRIL 9, 2000. Buy what you need before the dates
> listed above, or after,
> > but try not to buy any during the GAS OUT. If you
> > want to help, just send this to everyone you know
> and ask them to do the
> > same.
> >
> > We brought the prices down once before, and we can
> do it again.
> >
> > Come on North America lets stand together. WE CAN
> MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!
> >
> > Even if you receive this 100 times keep passing it
> around, this way you
> > know everyone is being informed and no one will
> forget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:35:35 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Gas boycott

What good is a gas boycott if you stock up before or after that date.
BTW, what boycott last year. Never heard of it. Prices were low last
year because of burgeoning stocks. The only way to save on fuel is to
reduce your use. Tune up your truck or buy a more fuel efficient
vehicle. I still like the discussions on lpg or propane.....

Nelson Vasconcelos wrote:
>
> A friend of mine sent this to me, let me know what you guys think.
>
> Thanks,
> Nelson
>
> > > Subject: Gasoline - SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU
> > KNOW!!!!
> > >
> > > I bought gas this morning and I paid $1.68/gal for
> > 89 Octane!
> > >
> > >
> > > Subject: Don't buy gasoline...April 7-9th
> > >
> > >
> > > Last year on April 30,1999, a gas out was staged
> > across Canada and the
> > U.S.
> > > to bring the price of gas down, and it worked.
> > It's time to do something
> > > about it again.
> > >
> > > Only this time lets make it for three days instead
> > of just one. The
> > > so-called oil cartel decided to slow production to
> > drive up gasoline
> > > prices. Lets see how many Canadian/American
> > people we can get to ban
> > > together for a three day period in April, NOT TO
> > BUY ANY GASOLINE, during
> > > those three days.
> > >
> > > LETS HAVE A GAS OUT. Do not buy any gasoline from
> > APRIL 7, 2000, THROUGH
> > > APRIL 9, 2000. Buy what you need before the dates
> > listed above, or after,
> > > but try not to buy any during the GAS OUT. If you
> > > want to help, just send this to everyone you know
> > and ask them to do the
> > > same.
> > >
> > > We brought the prices down once before, and we can
> > do it again.
> > >
> > > Come on North America lets stand together. WE CAN
> > MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!
> > >
> > > Even if you receive this 100 times keep passing it
> > around, this way you
> > > know everyone is being informed and no one will
> > forget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:20:28 -0600
From: a&b uab.campuscwix.net>
Subject: Re: Gas boycott

Uh, in a word, worthless! Maybe 3 months.
bg

Nelson Vasconcelos wrote:

> A friend of mine sent this to me, let me know what you guys think.
>
> Thanks,
> Nelson
>
> > > Subject: Gasoline - SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU
> > KNOW!!!!
> > >
> > > I bought gas this morning and I paid $1.68/gal for
> > 89 Octane!
> > >
> > >
> > > Subject: Don't buy gasoline...April 7-9th
> > >
> > >
> > > Last year on April 30,1999, a gas out was staged
> > across Canada and the
> > U.S.
> > > to bring the price of gas down, and it worked.
> > It's time to do something
> > > about it again.
> > >
> > > Only this time lets make it for three days instead
> > of just one. The
> > > so-called oil cartel decided to slow production to
> > drive up gasoline
> > > prices. Lets see how many Canadian/American
> > people we can get to ban
> > > together for a three day period in April, NOT TO
> > BUY ANY GASOLINE, during
> > > those three days.
> > >
> > > LETS HAVE A GAS OUT. Do not buy any gasoline from
> > APRIL 7, 2000, THROUGH
> > > APRIL 9, 2000. Buy what you need before the dates
> > listed above, or after,
> > > but try not to buy any during the GAS OUT. If you
> > > want to help, just send this to everyone you know
> > and ask them to do the
> > > same.
> > >
> > > We brought the prices down once before, and we can
> > do it again.
> > >
> > > Come on North America lets stand together. WE CAN
> > MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!
> > >
> > > Even if you receive this 100 times keep passing it
> > around, this way you
> > > know everyone is being informed and no one will
> > forget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From: "James" colstate.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:57:31 -0500
Subject: Power door lock actuator

Shawn,

I can't help you with a Ford parts discounter, but a year ago, the
actuator on my 1989 F150 had a melt down. I went to a "car stereo"
place that also advertised power dorr lock installations. They
replaced the actuator for $85 plus I got a lifetime guarantee.
Check around, you can probably do better than the Ford Dealer.

HTH,
James Hiers

> Do any of you know of a discount source for Ford parts? I need a driver's
> side power door lock actuator for my 1991 F-150. The dealer quoted an
> astounding $101 for this poorly made part (both have failed--don't get me
> started.) That's higher than dealer pricing on similar Japanese car parts.
> Unlike other parts, this one seems to be dealer only. Are there any
> wholesale parts sellers for Ford? I use Brown and Brown Nissan out of
> Tempe to get the lowest cost OEM parts for my Nissan (sometimes 50% less
> than my local dealer.) Surely some Ford dealer does the same.
>




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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:14:41 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: Gas boycott

>What good is a gas boycott if you stock up before or after that date.
>BTW, what boycott last year. Never heard of it. Prices were low last
>year because of burgeoning stocks. The only way to save on fuel is to
>reduce your use. Tune up your truck or buy a more fuel efficient
>vehicle. I still like the discussions on lpg or propane.....
>

If you think the price is too high, write to your congressman and state
reps to get the fuel tax cut in half. In Ohio it is 43 cents per gallon!
The feds get this and give some of it back to the states as they desire.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."
Sick of the high fuel tax? Write your congressman
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.house.gov/writerep/



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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:10:13 -0800
Subject: 300I6/MSD5 mileage data
From: Bill Berninghausen juno.com>

Gassed up tonight after the first tank burned by the MSD ignition. 213.5
miles, used 13.108 gallons--16.29 mpg. The previous 391.7 miles consumed
25.118 gallons--14.99 mpg. Before that I replaced a badly worn clutch,
so including previous miles wouldn't give a valid comparison.

Correcting the 6% low odometer gives 17.33 and 15.95 mpg, but it's the
8.6% increase that catches my attention.

I'm satisfied that the MSD5 is burning this damned oxygenated, overpriced
gasoline more efficiently than the Sparkomatic II or whatever the stock
ignition is called.

I keep tank by tank records, so I'll report the 1000 mile average when I
get there. That will compensate somewhat for variations in fill level.
Here in Oregon, we're not allowed to fill our own tanks, so we're at the
mercy of semi-competent station help that short-fill or overflow the tank
on a regular basis. There's a pretty consistent effort to repeal the law
forbidding self-service, but it's always defeated, just like the efforts
to give Oregon a sales tax are defeated. Guess every place has its own
form of insanity...

Bill in Portland

BTW, this tank of 13.108 gallons cost $20.30, $1.549 per gallon, and they
were hanging the $1.599 signs as I stood there!
________________________________________________________________





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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:31:03 -0800
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Gas boycott

At 04:15 PM 3/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
>A friend of mine sent this to me, let me know what you guys think.

A nice thought but a futile attempt at what it's trying to accomplish.
Don't buy gas on Wednesday...buy it on Tues or Thur. I still don't
see what that proves.
Chuck




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From: "Gary R. Peters" lni.net>
Subject: Update on my situation :-)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:04:29 -0800


As some of you know I had some medical problems Sunday and they are continuing. Apparently I am too stressed out by many things happening in my life right now and have taken most of this week off due to this. I am home now and subscr*bed to the lists at home temporarily so I can keep up with the gang but hope to be back to work Monday with some new medication which seems to be working. Xanax for the weekend to soften me up and Paxil on a long term basis to slow down my nerves I guess. As you recall, I've been saying I need to retire.........now we have proof :-) If the medication works I may elect to stay one more year but no more than that and it could happen as early as this July :-)

Anyway it isn't interfering with my getting some work done at home so far and I've been having a good time practicing my retirement :-) I hope to get at some of the vehicles to do a little on them if it warms up (got the oil changed and tires rotated on my daughter's car :-)). In my condition I'm not real ambitious about working in the cold right now :-) I bought a bunch of unfinished furniture and am slowly putting it together while I "rest" at home :-) (took me 3 hours to inlet two hinges by hand with a sharp chisel :-)) It's actually relaxing and good therapy. In the warm comfort of my living room too :-) (don't worry, I'm working on some cardboard boxes to keep the mess down :-)) Hope to put in some kitchen carpet tomorrow if I feel up to it :-) That's not too involved a job for a sick man (small kitchen :-)). There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with me physically, just stressed but I'll get all the tests done next thursday to rule out my heart as the culprit anyway. 4 doctors so far believe it's just my nerves :-)

Well, this is a truck list so that's enough of that. Since the traffic was slow today I just thought I'd let Y'all know what's going on :-)



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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:28:49 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: Gas boycott

At 16:15 10/03/00 -0500, you wrote:
>A friend of mine sent this to me, let me know what you guys think.
>
>Thanks,
>Nelson

I think it does not belong on this list.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:07:11 -0600
From: Ezekial galstar.com>
Subject: Re: Modified Slurs


In a message dated 3/3/00 5:05:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
thegman cfw.com
writes:

<< Since no one wants to offend anyone in this day of super thin skins
(sorry to be truthful, but I grew up in a better, tougher USA when the
motto was "sticks and stones might break my bones but words will never
hurt me") >>

It doesn't seem as though you grew up at all. Be a man about it and just
admit you had a poor choice in words. As far as your "tough USA", can't
you
come up with a better argument than that?
Joe the "Polack"

^^^
Its that kind of attitude that makes america have problems. This is a
free country to speak what you wish. A few words someone uses is basic
everyday language use to them and others, while to you its offensive for
some reason. I am sure you blab about some stuff that others take
offense to. So just let some people vent and later on you can vent on
another topic.
Hopefully I got that typed to make since

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From: CRGREENE1aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:15:21 EST
Subject: Re: Gas boycott

In a message dated 03/10/2000 10:37:03 PM Central Standard Time,
jcannon.ne79gtalumni.org writes:

<< I think it does not belong on this list.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX >>

How would this "not belong on the list" Mr. Cannon? It has to do with
something that makes our Ford trucks operate!

Just my .02!
C. Greene

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:56:30 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Message boards have been upgraded.

The message board software has been upgraded. Check it
out! It has many new features, including the ability
to integrate with mailing lists, rating topics, email
topics to a friend, sorting, printer friendly output
and more.

Once I figure out how to guard email addresses, the
mailing lists will cross-post to the message boards
and visa-versa. Azie will finally have access to the
web site, though in an indirect way!

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
PS - I'm still working on web mail, I found a bug in
the setup that will be addressed this weekend.



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From: "Gary R. Peters" lni.net>
Subject: Re: Gas boycott
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:23:32 -0800

I've been silent on this issue right along but it's getting a little
rediculous now :-( How are you going to go to work and boycott gas
stations? They know you can't hurt them and you really can't unless you
give up your lifestyle so passing this letter around and filling up
people's mail boxes accomplishes nothing.

As one member said, if you really want to do something, write your
congressman and Alan Greenspan who is probably behind the whole thing in the
first place. I really wish you guys would learn to follow that poem about
knowing what you can change and changing what you can and having the
strength to deal with what you can't :-)

There is an obvious movement in congress to reduce emmissions by reducing
output by reducing the size of vehicles. They even attempted to penalize
larger vehicles with surtaxes at one time. If you want to have a large
vehicle it will become a true luxury as time goes by and that's the way it
is, get used to it. I still love my bronco but I have a bird that gets 20+
mpg.........guess what I'm driving right now? I won't give up my bronco but
I'm not stupid :-) It may become a "Sunday" cruise vehicle but I won't
give it up :-) or my truck either or my 460's either but I may have to use
a little more sense about when and where I enjoy them.

Now that we all know that we "all" hate the prices, can we just leave it
alone now?

> << I think it does not belong on this list.
>
> How would this "not belong on the list" Mr. Cannon? It has to do with
> something that makes our Ford trucks operate!



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From: "Gary R. Peters" lni.net>
Subject: Re: Modified Slurs
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:33:54 -0800

Gentlemen (and ladies) can't we vent without actually using words that, deep
down inside we all know will offend someone? As a Christian I eventually
learned to express my anger and frustration without using 4 letter words or
even using them every other word like most factory workers seem to like to
do and I still get my points across and still manage to find ways to vent my
feelings to my satisfaction. Since the statement we are all refering to
here was probably not accurate in describing the condition of the average
Arab in the first place it would than have to be considered inappropriate in
any case, eh? That is it would have to legally be considered an outright
lie and there fore not appropriate?

The main thing which has changed in my life is that there are fewer things
that cause that level of anger or frustration so there is less need.
Perhaps we should all make that a goal instead? If this continues long
enough the american companies will go back into business and compete with
them and there will be more jobs and a stronger economy so where's the
negative in that?

--
78 Bronco Loving, Michigan
Pot Hole Jumping Gary
--

> Its that kind of attitude that makes america have problems. This is a
> free country to speak what you wish. A few words someone uses is basic
> everyday language use to them and others, while to you its offensive for
> some reason. I am sure you blab about some stuff that others take



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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:10:34 -0500
From: Martin Horne optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan Removal - Price issues.

At 05:46 AM 3/10/00 -0800, you wrote:
>I want to thank everyone for their insight into replacing bearings w/ the
>engine in place. After reading all of your posts and discussing this w/
>some local shops, I have come to a conclusion. I'm going to find another
>5.0L engine and rebuild it, then swap it w/ the one in the truck. I have
>never rebuilt an engine yet, at least not a V8. I have done several small
>engines, like lawn mowers, chain saws and the like. I think this will be a
>very interesting (and fun) project for me. Once again, thank you for all of
>your help.


Don't know if you REALLY want the fun or not. Just a caution - while the
idea intrigued me I found that by the time I had priced bearings, seals,
gaskets, oil pump etc. etc. it was actually cheaper to buy a rebuilt unit.
Also I got a 12/12 warranty on the rebuilt, which I wouldn't have done on
the one I built. One final consideration - if you don't own a hoist etc.
then you have to rent one, return it while you build and then go get it
again to put the motor back in. Unless you want to pay for it to sit idle
in the shop!

Just my 2


Martin Horne
'86 Bronco
Long Island, NY

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