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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 80-96-list); Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:26:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:26:55 -0500 (EST) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 80-96-list digest users Reply-to: 80-96-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 80-96-list Digest V2000 #29 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 80-96-list Digest Wed, 08 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 029 In This Issue: Compression ratio Re: 460 Exhaust questions Re: Food for thought Re: Parking Brake Re: 460 Exhaust questions Re: Parking Brake Tie rod removal Mark is Right about Octane Re: [SVT-Lightning] Ford Truck Kills Re: Parking Brake Subject: MSD/300I6 trial...Thanks Mr. Bill!! Re: Food for thought Re: Food for thought Re: Food for thought Re: Food for thought ADMIN: 3 Ford Press Releases E4OD and New truck and Chevy Comment Update on Thumping Floorboard Re: Subject: MSD/300I6 trial...Thanks Mr. Bill!! Re: E4OD and New truck and Chevy Comment Re: Update on Thumping Floorboard Re: re" Transmision Q and thermostat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 03:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: Zachary Colvin Subject: Compression ratio I was just wondering what the compression ratio is on my 300 inline six. My truck is an '80 F 150. I would also like to know what the horsepower and torque specs are if anybody knows. The engine is basically stock. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: FLR150 aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:47:02 EST Subject: Re: 460 Exhaust questions In a message dated 3/8/00 12:04:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, n3kwq martnet.com writes: << Maybe 3 or 4 inch pipes? Looking for MPG & low end grunt.... >> You wont get low end grunt with 3 or 4" pipes. Keep the pipe size at around 2.5" at least until after the mufflers, then go up to a 3". Need to keep the tubing size down close to the motor to keep your torque up. Flowmaster is about the best bang for the buck, just make sure you go with the 3 chambers. The 2 chambers are noisy and pretty loud actually, especially under load. They also "drone" a lot at cruising rpms. Later Wayne Foy '94 Flareside SC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:04:49 -0500 From: Larry Wiandt Subject: Re: Food for thought I guess it would depend on what you do with your truck. But I can't complain about my '93 F350 with the non powerstroke Navistar. I have trailered better than 12,000 lbs with no problems, pulled stumps, and traveled many thousands of miles with the family getting 16mpg from a truck that weighs 7,250 lbs empty. I say don't screw up a good thing. Larry Wiandt '93 F350 Crew Cab 4x4 '66 Mustang Convertible (I know, not a truck. But sure is fun to drive on the weekend) > >Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 05:07:46 -0500 >From: S Spaulding >Subject: Food for thought > >Daimler-Chrysler has announced that they are dropping Cummins as their >engine supplier for the Dodge Ram pickups. Does that open the door for >Ford to replace the Navistar 7.3 with the Cummins B-series? > >Steve > >------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: "Watkins, Robert (GEP)" Subject: Re: Parking Brake Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:32:54 -0500 Hello everyone. I am having trouble locating a replacement adjusting bolt and nut for the parking brake on my 87 F150. Since it sounds like several of you have replaced the cables and adjuster, could you please let me know what auto parts stores you were able to find them in? Thanks! Bob Watkins 1987 F150 4x4 I6 ------------------------------ From: "DannyF" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:36:21 -0600 Subject: Re: 460 Exhaust questions > I'm looking at the possibility of some exhaust work on my 91 F-250 SC 4X4 > 460. > > I am looking for the best compromise between MPG's (I know.... MPG & 460 > don't go together) and performance. > > I tow a travel trailer (3000 lbs now, want to upgrade someday) in the > summer, the rest of the year it's a daily driver. No real off-road > except > to launch the boat on the beach. > > I know that headers are probably the way to go, but $$$ is a factor and > I'm > not sure I want that much hassle. > > I will probably have to replace the cat converter due to a cracked > outlet > tube that was welded to the pipe between the cat & muffler. > > So I'm looking for suggestions for cat back. I'm thinking that a "hi > flow" > converter, low restriction muffler and big pipe is what I'm after. > > Don't need to turn hi RPM, the truck has 3.55 gears and E4OD. Turns > around > 1800 at 65 in O/D. I have never seen much more than 4000 when lead footing > it. > > For muffler I'd like a little sound, but can't go too loud...wife in area > ;) > Just enough to give the big block away. > > What's the opinion og the list on Flowmaster muffler & cat? > Maybe 3 or 4 inch pipes? > > Looking for MPG & low end grunt.... A lot of people report Flowmasters as being loud. I think your wife is going to know when you start up and when you come home. Of course "loud" is subjective. One neighbor has them on his F150 351 and you hear him start up every morning. He's 5 houses down. Why opt for bigger tubing thats more than than the outlets of the cat/muffler? Flow is a function of the smallest restriction. You might get 3" but forget 4". 4" will require special equipment to bend, it will cost you plenty and do no good. Danny fitz011 ev1.net------------------------------ From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" Subject: Re: Parking Brake Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:38:32 -0600 Hi Bob, Got mine from the dealer 8^> Smeck ----- Original Message ----- > Hello everyone. I am having trouble locating a replacement adjusting bolt > and nut for the parking brake on my 87 F150. Since it sounds like several of > you have replaced the cables and adjuster, could you please let me know what > auto parts stores you were able to find them in? Thanks! > Bob Watkins > 1987 F150 4x4 I6 ------------------------------ From: "Mahaffey, Chris M" Subject: Tie rod removal Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:00:19 -0500 Here's a tip for saving the rubber boot if you have to seperate a tie rod end and all you have to use is the fork type tool. Take a thin piece of sheetmetal, I used aluminum flashing, and cut a notch in it about 2 inches long and wide enough to slide over the tapered post of the tie rod end. Slide this piece of metal in between the rubber boot and the spindle or pitman arm (or whatever piece the tie rod is connected to.) Now insert the fork between the sheetmetal and the spindle and drive it in. This allows the fork to spread the joint and not rip the rubber boot up in the process. I had to do this to fix the front end problems with my truck. If you remember about 2 weeks ago I posted about the tires leaning out at the top. What I found the problem to be was the right inner tierod end (about 3 feet long) was bent so the front end was toed way in. My only guess as to why this caused the tires to lean out was the friction with the ground pulled the bottoms in as they rotated. Now that I've replaced the tie rod end the tires aren't leaning any more. ------------------------------ From: Fred Moreno Subject: Mark is Right about Octane Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:25:12 -0700 I believe it is Mark (markheid seidata.com) that wrote in my post requestingsome education; >that gasoline has an octane rating of 82-97 and propane 95-104 which, >although different are not radically different, but I'll take the fuel with >100 or so rating any day over a lower value. This makes a huge difference in >performance. Dedicated applications usually recurve the distributor, but the This is a common misperception. Octane DOES NOT add power to an engine; it merely supports the higher compression ratios and other performance-adding features of a high-output engine. It is those features that make the power, NOT the octane. Add octane to the average car that does not require premium fuel, and you will notice absolutely no difference in power, longevity, or mileage. You are absolutely right, my problem is I write these long drawn out essays to the list and don't always proofread everything I write. Shame on me for being irresponsible, my fault. I apologize to the list. Of course I am finally replying to Monday's postings and still have plenty of other emails to answer. Octane is an idication of how quickly the fuel burns and the BTU rating is how much energy is in the fuel. The more BTU, the more BANG for the engine (Octane rating with fuels is analogous to how quickly a gun powder burns for those who reload). What I should of said is that with two fuels having the same BTU rating, I would prefer the one with the higer Octane rating. Thank you Mark. Phred (trying to catchup on the list) ------------------------------ From: FLR150 aol.comDate: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:31:59 EST Subject: Re: [SVT-Lightning] Ford Truck Kills Wish, I hate to tell you, but if you look really close, the truck redlights off the start. That gave him a good advantage on the Bird. BUT the run was impressive none-the-less. Later Wayne Foy '94 Flareside SC ------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" Subject: Re: Parking Brake Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:45:20 -0500 I just recently replaced the rear E-brake cables on my '78 F-150.The adjuster on mine was actually part of the front cable itself.I not sure what yours looks like.I picked up my new rear cables at my local Auto Value store.Check Auto Zone (if you have one nearby) -----Original Message----- From: Watkins, Robert (GEP) To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com' <80-96-listford-trucks.com>Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:38 AM Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Parking Brake >Hello everyone. I am having trouble locating a replacement adjusting bolt >and nut for the parking brake on my 87 F150. Since it sounds like several of >you have replaced the cables and adjuster, could you please let me know what >auto parts stores you were able to find them in? Thanks! >Bob Watkins >1987 F150 4x4 I6 >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with>the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ From: Fred Moreno Subject: Subject: MSD/300I6 trial...Thanks Mr. Bill!! Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:36:47 -0700 Bill wrote; Well, I went and spent some unnecessary money and about 30 minutes of free labor to install an MSD-5 and a Blaster coil in my 82 F100 300I6. Started right up! Tried it on a country road with long up- and downgrades. Seat of the pants said 'got more go.' Foot said 'responds right quickly, even uphill.' Felt a bit like the day I over-advanced my old 318 Forest Service Dodge about 20 degrees. Returned home on the four-lane, 3/4 throttle from 45 on the onramp and it marched right up to 85-90 without breathing as hard as it used to. Data on mileage at the end of this tankful. Hoping that three sparks per cycle will burn gas more efficiently. Phred, if you had anything to do with this mild, street-type ignition, you done good. It would probably be even better with propane, right? Well I wish I could claim credit for the development of the ignition, but all I can say is that I initial tested, final tested and 'burned - in' more than my share of them when I worked on the production line as a Electronics Tech. The 'burn-in' process is where we run each ignition at 3000 RPM for 2 hours covered with rags so they get hot. These units fire an automotive coil and spark plug for this period of time. Then we let the unit cool down to room temp, and start all over again with another 2 hour run under rags. If the unit can pass that stress test is probably going to do good. The techs use fireplace gloves to handle the units, so they are toasty. But then again we all know that it gets warm under the hood of our favorite vehicle. Anybody have any thoughts on tuning for this ignition, or does the factory spec work as well as anything? You really don't need to do anything different, except that you could open up your spark plug gap by 10 thousandths, but its not required. Be especially real careful working around the secondary ignition components, your stock ignition would hurt pretty bad, but now you've made the secondary a real weapon. Trust me on this one. Now that you have upgraded the energy in your secondary ignition, you still have to contain it and direct it where you need it to go (the spark plugs). Keep a close eye on your distributor cap, rotor, and wires. Happy Ford Motoring, you've got a great truck. Phred KD5AQB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:23:00 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: Food for thought >Daimler-Chrysler has announced that they are dropping Cummins as their >engine supplier for the Dodge Ram pickups. Does that open the door for >Ford to replace the Navistar 7.3 with the Cummins B-series? > I figured they would do that since Benz makes all kinds of diesels themselves. I have heard Ford may have using the Cummins in mind. Some say Ford owns part of Cummins. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." Sick of the high fuel tax? Write your congressman http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.house.gov/writerep/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:55:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Food for thought From: Rob Bryan I doubt it. Ford has been working very closely with Navistar in the design of the Next-Generation Navistar 4.5L V6 and 6.0L V8 diesels. If Ford wanted to use the Cummins diesel they probably would have done so while they owned a piece of Cummins a few years ago. You can get the ISB in the F-650 and F-750 but I have a feeling that it probably won't be as popular in that application as the PSD (can be serviced by any Ford dealer) or the Cat (much more powerful). The bigger question here is what is DCX going to put in the Diesel Ram... Rob > From: S Spaulding > Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 05:07:46 -0500 > To: ford trucks <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>> Subject: [80-96-list] Food for thought > > Daimler-Chrysler has announced that they are dropping Cummins as their > engine supplier for the Dodge Ram pickups. Does that open the door for > Ford to replace the Navistar 7.3 with the Cummins B-series? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:56:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Food for thought From: Rob Bryan > From: Blake Malkamaki > Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:23:00 -0500 > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Food for thought > > I figured they would do that since Benz makes all kinds of diesels > themselves. I have heard Ford may have using the Cummins in mind. Some say > Ford owns part of Cummins. They used to...they have since sold their stake in the engine maker...It was around 15% I believe. ------------------------------ From: FORDTRKMANinPA aol.comDate: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:37:29 EST Subject: Re: Food for thought ford is building a new diesel called the G2 powerstroke- generation 2. it's either going to be a 6.0 or a 6.6 liter, i forget which. you can find this info out at www.pickuptruck.  com. go to the discussionforum. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:56:32 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: ADMIN: 3 Ford Press Releases Three news articles from Ford Motor Company have been added to the web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/news/ 1. Pricing, Job #1, Set for Limited Edition 2000 Harley-Davidson F-150 2. Army Explores Commercial Technologies For New, Maximum-Performance Pickup Trucks 3. Ford Super Tough Concept Truck is Tough Enough for U.S. Military Enjoy! Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts ------------------------------ From: "Dave Harmier" Subject: E4OD and New truck and Chevy Comment Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:54:04 -0600 > E4OD: > 2.71, 1.53, 1.00, 0.71 > You WAY forgot to mention that at about when it hits 2nd, the darn convertor locks too.... That's a big hill for a 302 to climb! Please welcome a new addition to our Ford family. A real nice '90 F-350 Crew Lariat, tight nice running 7.3, and good shifting E4OD (Acts SO much better than the one in the '92 F-150) It thumps the floor near my feet on stutter bumps. The Radius Arm bushings LOOK ok, but I think I'll have urethane bushings installed for good measure. Everything else looks great! Oh and those new Monte Carlos and Impalas and Malibus are ALL sad excuses for what were nice cars. That Monte rear is indeed BUTT UGLY!!!! Dave H. Houston 90 F-350 CC 7.3 91 F-150 SC 5.8 Dads 92 F-150 SC 5.0 Will be Sisters (Getting her out of Toy Corolla!) ------------------------------ From: "Dave Harmier" Subject: Update on Thumping Floorboard Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:44:35 -0600 Man I love this '90 F-350 CC 7.3. But it rattles the floor near my feet... it stops just as soon as I push the brake pedal. Do redius arm bushings do this? My '92 F-150 does something similar when I HIT the brake? Man if a 7.3 runs THIS good, what on earth would a turbo do? Oh and I just paid 139.9 for diesel, when a BUNCH of the majors are asking 157.9!!!!! Gas is getting UP THERE!!!!! Dave H. '90 F-350 CC 7.3 '91 F-150 SC 5.8 Dads '92 F-150 SC 5.0 To be sisters once my liftgate and toolboxes are off it. (getting her out of a Toy Corolla tin can) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:52:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Subject: MSD/300I6 trial...Thanks Mr. Bill!! From: Bill Berninghausen On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:36:47 -0700 Fred Moreno writes: Thanks, Phred, for the warning; that snake's bitten me before, but a little carelessness is easy to find. \ I noticed that the curb idle jumped up a little less than 100 rpm with the MSD5. Is this a sign of the promised improvement in efficiency? Should I dial it back to standard specs? My NGK V-powers will be coming up on 10 grand before too long, so maybe I'll gap the new ones to .055 and see what it does. Thanks again Bill in Portland [Phred writes]> > You really don't need to do anything different, except that you > could open > up your spark plug gap by 10 thousandths, but its not required. Be > especially real careful working around the secondary ignition > components, > your stock ignition would hurt pretty bad, but now you've made the > secondary > a real weapon. Trust me on this one. > Now that you have upgraded the energy in your secondary ignition, > you still > have to contain it and direct it where you need it to go (the spark > plugs). > Keep a close eye on your distributor cap, rotor, and wires. > > Happy Ford Motoring, you've got a great truck. > > Phred KD5AQB > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > message. > ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:37:05 -0600 From: Jim Cannon Subject: Re: E4OD and New truck and Chevy Comment You are assembling a fine stable-full of Fords, there Dave! At 19:54 08/03/00 -0600, you wrote: >Please welcome a new addition to our Ford family. A real nice '90 F-350 >Crew Lariat, tight nice running 7.3, and good shifting E4OD (Acts SO much >better than the one in the '92 F-150) >It thumps the floor near my feet on stutter bumps. The Radius Arm bushings >LOOK ok, but I think I'll have urethane bushings installed for good >measure. Everything else looks great! >Dave H. >Houston >90 F-350 CC 7.3 >91 F-150 SC 5.8 Dads >92 F-150 SC 5.0 Will be Sisters (Getting her out of Toy Corolla!) > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with>the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the >message. > > Jim Cannon Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech '29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!" '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:45:13 -0600 From: Jim Cannon Subject: Re: Update on Thumping Floorboard At 21:44 08/03/00 -0600, you wrote: >Man I love this '90 F-350 CC 7.3. But it rattles the floor near my >feet... it stops just as soon as I push the brake pedal. Do redius arm >bushings do this? My '92 F-150 does something similar when I HIT the brake? Yes, it would. Think about it... you apply the brakes and the axel pushes back through the radius arms (action and reaction and all that physics stuff). This takes all the slack out of the floppy bushing and stops the thumping. These radius arm bushings take a lot (like the majority) of the braking force from the axel to the frame (and the payload). On a heavy vehicle, like a loaded F-350, this can really add up, stop after stop. Look at the geometry from the side. Some of the braking force goes up through the springs, but most goes up and back through the radius arms. Jim Cannon Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech '29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!" '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8 ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: re" Transmision Q and thermostat Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:28:11 -0500 I just bought the stuff to make mine lock up better for $52 and they were very helpfull with advice etc.. They do not take credit cards at this time so you have to get the info, write a check and mail it. Took a little less than 2 weeks for my stuff to arrive. Haven't put it in yet, don't have enough milk jugs to put the old oil in yet :-) -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >Has anyone had any expierience with Bauman Engineering in the >Carolina's? I want to get a shift kit from them for my 4R70W, but just ------------------------------ End of 80-96-list Digest V2000 #29 ********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Send posts to 80-96-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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