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80-96-list Digest Wed, 08 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 029

In This Issue:
Compression ratio
Re: 460 Exhaust questions
Re: Food for thought
Re: Parking Brake
Re: 460 Exhaust questions
Re: Parking Brake
Tie rod removal
Mark is Right about Octane
Re: [SVT-Lightning] Ford Truck Kills
Re: Parking Brake
Subject: MSD/300I6 trial...Thanks Mr. Bill!!
Re: Food for thought
Re: Food for thought
Re: Food for thought
Re: Food for thought
ADMIN: 3 Ford Press Releases
E4OD and New truck and Chevy Comment
Update on Thumping Floorboard
Re: Subject: MSD/300I6 trial...Thanks Mr. Bill!!
Re: E4OD and New truck and Chevy Comment
Re: Update on Thumping Floorboard
Re: re" Transmision Q and thermostat

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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 03:52:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Zachary Colvin yahoo.com>
Subject: Compression ratio

I was just wondering what the compression ratio is on
my 300 inline six. My truck is an '80 F 150. I would
also like to know what the horsepower and torque specs
are if anybody knows. The engine is basically stock.
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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:47:02 EST
Subject: Re: 460 Exhaust questions

In a message dated 3/8/00 12:04:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
n3kwq martnet.com writes:

<< Maybe 3 or 4 inch pipes?

Looking for MPG & low end grunt....
>>
You wont get low end grunt with 3 or 4" pipes. Keep the pipe size at around
2.5" at least until after the mufflers, then go up to a 3". Need to keep the
tubing size down close to the motor to keep your torque up. Flowmaster is
about the best bang for the buck, just make sure you go with the 3 chambers.
The 2 chambers are noisy and pretty loud actually, especially under load.
They also "drone" a lot at cruising rpms.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 08:04:49 -0500
From: Larry Wiandt mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Food for thought

I guess it would depend on what you do with your truck. But I can't
complain about my '93 F350 with the non powerstroke Navistar. I have
trailered better than 12,000 lbs with no problems, pulled stumps, and
traveled many thousands of miles with the family getting 16mpg from a truck
that weighs 7,250 lbs empty. I say don't screw up a good thing.

Larry Wiandt
'93 F350 Crew Cab 4x4
'66 Mustang Convertible (I know, not a truck. But sure is fun to drive on
the weekend)


>
>Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 05:07:46 -0500
>From: S Spaulding worldnet.att.net>
>Subject: Food for thought
>
>Daimler-Chrysler has announced that they are dropping Cummins as their
>engine supplier for the Dodge Ram pickups. Does that open the door for
>Ford to replace the Navistar 7.3 with the Cummins B-series?
>
>Steve
>
>------------------------------


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From: "Watkins, Robert (GEP)" gepex.ge.com>
Subject: Re: Parking Brake
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:32:54 -0500

Hello everyone. I am having trouble locating a replacement adjusting bolt
and nut for the parking brake on my 87 F150. Since it sounds like several of
you have replaced the cables and adjuster, could you please let me know what
auto parts stores you were able to find them in? Thanks!
Bob Watkins
1987 F150 4x4 I6

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From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:36:21 -0600
Subject: Re: 460 Exhaust questions

> I'm looking at the possibility of some exhaust work on my 91 F-250 SC 4X4
> 460.
>
> I am looking for the best compromise between MPG's (I know.... MPG & 460
> don't go together) and performance.
>
> I tow a travel trailer (3000 lbs now, want to upgrade someday) in the
> summer, the rest of the year it's a daily driver. No real off-road
> except
> to launch the boat on the beach.
>
> I know that headers are probably the way to go, but $$$ is a factor and
> I'm
> not sure I want that much hassle.
>
> I will probably have to replace the cat converter due to a cracked
> outlet
> tube that was welded to the pipe between the cat & muffler.
>
> So I'm looking for suggestions for cat back. I'm thinking that a "hi
> flow"
> converter, low restriction muffler and big pipe is what I'm after.
>
> Don't need to turn hi RPM, the truck has 3.55 gears and E4OD. Turns
> around
> 1800 at 65 in O/D. I have never seen much more than 4000 when lead footing
> it.
>
> For muffler I'd like a little sound, but can't go too loud...wife in area
> ;)
> Just enough to give the big block away.
>
> What's the opinion og the list on Flowmaster muffler & cat?
> Maybe 3 or 4 inch pipes?
>
> Looking for MPG & low end grunt....

A lot of people report Flowmasters as being loud. I think your wife
is going to know when you start up and when you come home. Of
course "loud" is subjective. One neighbor has them on his F150
351 and you hear him start up every morning. He's 5 houses down.

Why opt for bigger tubing thats more than than the outlets of the
cat/muffler? Flow is a function of the smallest restriction. You
might get 3" but forget 4". 4" will require special equipment to
bend, it will cost you plenty and do no good.

Danny
fitz011ev1.net

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From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" home.com>
Subject: Re: Parking Brake
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:38:32 -0600

Hi Bob, Got mine from the dealer 8^>
Smeck
----- Original Message -----

> Hello everyone. I am having trouble locating a replacement adjusting bolt
> and nut for the parking brake on my 87 F150. Since it sounds like several
of
> you have replaced the cables and adjuster, could you please let me know
what
> auto parts stores you were able to find them in? Thanks!
> Bob Watkins
> 1987 F150 4x4 I6



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From: "Mahaffey, Chris M" ch.etn.com>
Subject: Tie rod removal
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:00:19 -0500

Here's a tip for saving the rubber boot if you have to seperate a tie rod
end and all you have to use is the fork type tool. Take a thin piece of
sheetmetal, I used aluminum flashing, and cut a notch in it about 2 inches
long and wide enough to slide over the tapered post of the tie rod end.
Slide this piece of metal in between the rubber boot and the spindle or
pitman arm (or whatever piece the tie rod is connected to.) Now insert the
fork between the sheetmetal and the spindle and drive it in. This allows
the fork to spread the joint and not rip the rubber boot up in the process.


I had to do this to fix the front end problems with my truck. If you
remember about 2 weeks ago I posted about the tires leaning out at the top.
What I found the problem to be was the right inner tierod end (about 3 feet
long) was bent so the front end was toed way in. My only guess as to why
this caused the tires to lean out was the friction with the ground pulled
the bottoms in as they rotated. Now that I've replaced the tie rod end the
tires aren't leaning any more.

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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Mark is Right about Octane
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:25:12 -0700

I believe it is Mark (markheidseidata.com) that wrote in my post requesting
some education;



>that gasoline has an octane rating of 82-97 and propane
95-104 which,
>although different are not radically different, but I'll
take the fuel with
>100 or so rating any day over a lower value. This makes a
huge difference in
>performance. Dedicated applications usually recurve the
distributor, but the

This is a common misperception. Octane DOES NOT add power
to an engine; it
merely supports the higher compression ratios and other
performance-adding
features of a high-output engine. It is those features that
make the power,
NOT the octane. Add octane to the average car that does not
require premium
fuel, and you will notice absolutely no difference in power,
longevity, or
mileage.

You are absolutely right, my problem is I write these long drawn out essays
to the list and don't always proofread everything I write. Shame on me for
being irresponsible, my fault. I apologize to the list. Of course I am
finally replying to Monday's postings and still have plenty of other emails
to answer. Octane is an idication of how quickly the fuel burns and the BTU
rating is how much energy is in the fuel. The more BTU, the more BANG for
the engine (Octane rating with fuels is analogous to how quickly a gun
powder burns for those who reload). What I should of said is that with two
fuels having the same BTU rating, I would prefer the one with the higer
Octane rating.

Thank you Mark.

Phred (trying to catchup on the list)


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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:31:59 EST
Subject: Re: [SVT-Lightning] Ford Truck Kills

Wish,
I hate to tell you, but if you look really close, the truck redlights off the
start. That gave him a good advantage on the Bird. BUT the run was impressive
none-the-less.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Parking Brake
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:45:20 -0500

I just recently replaced the rear E-brake cables on my '78 F-150.The
adjuster on mine was actually part of the front cable itself.I not sure what
yours looks like.I picked up my new rear cables at my local Auto Value
store.Check Auto Zone (if you have one nearby)
-----Original Message-----
From: Watkins, Robert (GEP) gepex.ge.com>
To: '80-96-listford-trucks.com' <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:38 AM
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Parking Brake


>Hello everyone. I am having trouble locating a replacement adjusting bolt
>and nut for the parking brake on my 87 F150. Since it sounds like several
of
>you have replaced the cables and adjuster, could you please let me know
what
>auto parts stores you were able to find them in? Thanks!
>Bob Watkins
>1987 F150 4x4 I6
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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Subject: MSD/300I6 trial...Thanks Mr. Bill!!
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:36:47 -0700



Bill wrote;
Well, I went and spent some unnecessary money and about 30
minutes of
free labor to install an MSD-5 and a Blaster coil in my 82
F100 300I6.
Started right up! Tried it on a country road with long up-
and
downgrades. Seat of the pants said 'got more go.' Foot
said 'responds
right quickly, even uphill.' Felt a bit like the day I
over-advanced my
old 318 Forest Service Dodge about 20 degrees.

Returned home on the four-lane, 3/4 throttle from 45 on the
onramp and it
marched right up to 85-90 without breathing as hard as it
used to. Data
on mileage at the end of this tankful. Hoping that three
sparks per
cycle will burn gas more efficiently.

Phred, if you had anything to do with this mild, street-type
ignition,
you done good. It would probably be even better with
propane, right?

Well I wish I could claim credit for the development of the ignition, but
all I can say is that I initial tested, final tested and 'burned - in' more
than my share of them when I worked on the production line as a Electronics
Tech. The 'burn-in' process is where we run each ignition at 3000 RPM for 2
hours covered with rags so they get hot. These units fire an automotive coil
and spark plug for this period of time. Then we let the unit cool down to
room temp, and start all over again with another 2 hour run under rags. If
the unit can pass that stress test is probably going to do good. The techs
use fireplace gloves to handle the units, so they are toasty. But then again
we all know that it gets warm under the hood of our favorite vehicle.

Anybody have any thoughts on tuning for this ignition, or
does the
factory spec work as well as anything?

You really don't need to do anything different, except that you could open
up your spark plug gap by 10 thousandths, but its not required. Be
especially real careful working around the secondary ignition components,
your stock ignition would hurt pretty bad, but now you've made the secondary
a real weapon. Trust me on this one.
Now that you have upgraded the energy in your secondary ignition, you still
have to contain it and direct it where you need it to go (the spark plugs).
Keep a close eye on your distributor cap, rotor, and wires.

Happy Ford Motoring, you've got a great truck.

Phred KD5AQB


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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:23:00 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: Food for thought

>Daimler-Chrysler has announced that they are dropping Cummins as their
>engine supplier for the Dodge Ram pickups. Does that open the door for
>Ford to replace the Navistar 7.3 with the Cummins B-series?
>

I figured they would do that since Benz makes all kinds of diesels
themselves. I have heard Ford may have using the Cummins in mind. Some say
Ford owns part of Cummins.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:55:23 -0800
Subject: Re: Food for thought
From: Rob Bryan netgate.net>

I doubt it. Ford has been working very closely with Navistar in the design
of the Next-Generation Navistar 4.5L V6 and 6.0L V8 diesels. If Ford wanted
to use the Cummins diesel they probably would have done so while they owned
a piece of Cummins a few years ago. You can get the ISB in the F-650 and
F-750 but I have a feeling that it probably won't be as popular in that
application as the PSD (can be serviced by any Ford dealer) or the Cat (much
more powerful).

The bigger question here is what is DCX going to put in the Diesel Ram...

Rob

> From: S Spaulding worldnet.att.net>
> Reply-To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 05:07:46 -0500
> To: ford trucks <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
> Subject: [80-96-list] Food for thought
>
> Daimler-Chrysler has announced that they are dropping Cummins as their
> engine supplier for the Dodge Ram pickups. Does that open the door for
> Ford to replace the Navistar 7.3 with the Cummins B-series?



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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:56:48 -0800
Subject: Re: Food for thought
From: Rob Bryan netgate.net>

> From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
> Reply-To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:23:00 -0500
> To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Food for thought
>
> I figured they would do that since Benz makes all kinds of diesels
> themselves. I have heard Ford may have using the Cummins in mind. Some say
> Ford owns part of Cummins.

They used to...they have since sold their stake in the engine maker...It was
around 15% I believe.


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From: FORDTRKMANinPAaol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:37:29 EST
Subject: Re: Food for thought

ford is building a new diesel called the G2 powerstroke- generation 2.
it's either going to be a 6.0 or a 6.6 liter, i forget which.
you can find this info out at www.pickuptruck.com. go to the discussion
forum.

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:56:32 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: 3 Ford Press Releases

Three news articles from Ford Motor Company have been added to the
web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/news/


1. Pricing, Job #1, Set for Limited Edition 2000 Harley-Davidson
F-150
2. Army Explores Commercial Technologies For New, Maximum-Performance
Pickup Trucks
3. Ford Super Tough Concept Truck is Tough Enough for U.S. Military

Enjoy!

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Dave Harmier" pdq.net>
Subject: E4OD and New truck and Chevy Comment
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:54:04 -0600

> E4OD:
> 2.71, 1.53, 1.00, 0.71
>
You WAY forgot to mention that at about when it hits 2nd, the darn
convertor locks too....
That's a big hill for a 302 to climb!

Please welcome a new addition to our Ford family. A real nice '90 F-350
Crew Lariat, tight nice running 7.3, and good shifting E4OD (Acts SO much
better than the one in the '92 F-150)
It thumps the floor near my feet on stutter bumps. The Radius Arm bushings
LOOK ok, but I think I'll have urethane bushings installed for good
measure. Everything else looks great!

Oh and those new Monte Carlos and Impalas and Malibus are ALL sad excuses
for what were nice cars.
That Monte rear is indeed BUTT UGLY!!!!

Dave H.
Houston
90 F-350 CC 7.3
91 F-150 SC 5.8 Dads
92 F-150 SC 5.0 Will be Sisters (Getting her out of Toy Corolla!)


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From: "Dave Harmier" pdq.net>
Subject: Update on Thumping Floorboard
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:44:35 -0600

Man I love this '90 F-350 CC 7.3. But it rattles the floor near my
feet... it stops just as soon as I push the brake pedal. Do redius arm
bushings do this? My '92 F-150 does something similar when I HIT the brake?

Man if a 7.3 runs THIS good, what on earth would a turbo do?

Oh and I just paid 139.9 for diesel, when a BUNCH of the majors are asking
157.9!!!!! Gas is getting UP THERE!!!!!

Dave H.
'90 F-350 CC 7.3
'91 F-150 SC 5.8 Dads
'92 F-150 SC 5.0 To be sisters once my liftgate and toolboxes are off it.
(getting her out of a Toy Corolla tin can)



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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:52:23 -0800
Subject: Re: Subject: MSD/300I6 trial...Thanks Mr. Bill!!
From: Bill Berninghausen juno.com>



On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:36:47 -0700 Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
writes:
Thanks, Phred, for the warning; that snake's bitten me before, but a
little carelessness is easy to find. \

I noticed that the curb idle jumped up a little less than 100 rpm with
the MSD5. Is this a sign of the promised improvement in efficiency?
Should I dial it back to standard specs? My NGK V-powers will be coming
up on 10 grand before too long, so maybe I'll gap the new ones to .055
and see what it does.

Thanks again

Bill in Portland

[Phred writes]>
> You really don't need to do anything different, except that you
> could open
> up your spark plug gap by 10 thousandths, but its not required. Be
> especially real careful working around the secondary ignition
> components,
> your stock ignition would hurt pretty bad, but now you've made the
> secondary
> a real weapon. Trust me on this one.
> Now that you have upgraded the energy in your secondary ignition,
> you still
> have to contain it and direct it where you need it to go (the spark
> plugs).
> Keep a close eye on your distributor cap, rotor, and wires.
>
> Happy Ford Motoring, you've got a great truck.
>
> Phred KD5AQB
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:37:05 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: E4OD and New truck and Chevy Comment

You are assembling a fine stable-full of Fords, there Dave!

At 19:54 08/03/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Please welcome a new addition to our Ford family. A real nice '90 F-350
>Crew Lariat, tight nice running 7.3, and good shifting E4OD (Acts SO much
>better than the one in the '92 F-150)
>It thumps the floor near my feet on stutter bumps. The Radius Arm bushings
>LOOK ok, but I think I'll have urethane bushings installed for good
>measure. Everything else looks great!

>Dave H.
>Houston
>90 F-350 CC 7.3
>91 F-150 SC 5.8 Dads
>92 F-150 SC 5.0 Will be Sisters (Getting her out of Toy Corolla!)
>
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>
Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:45:13 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: Update on Thumping Floorboard

At 21:44 08/03/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Man I love this '90 F-350 CC 7.3. But it rattles the floor near my
>feet... it stops just as soon as I push the brake pedal. Do redius arm
>bushings do this? My '92 F-150 does something similar when I HIT the brake?

Yes, it would. Think about it... you apply the brakes and the axel pushes
back through the radius arms (action and reaction and all that physics
stuff). This takes all the slack out of the floppy bushing and stops the
thumping.

These radius arm bushings take a lot (like the majority) of the braking
force from the axel to the frame (and the payload). On a heavy vehicle,
like a loaded F-350, this can really add up, stop after stop. Look at the
geometry from the side. Some of the braking force goes up through the
springs, but most goes up and back through the radius arms.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: re" Transmision Q and thermostat
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:28:11 -0500

I just bought the stuff to make mine lock up better for $52 and they were
very helpfull with advice etc.. They do not take credit cards at this time
so you have to get the info, write a check and mail it. Took a little less
than 2 weeks for my stuff to arrive. Haven't put it in yet, don't have
enough milk jugs to put the old oil in yet :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Has anyone had any expierience with Bauman Engineering in the
>Carolina's? I want to get a shift kit from them for my 4R70W, but just

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