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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 80-96-list); Mon, 06 Mar 2000 02:26:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 02:26:53 -0500 (EST) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 80-96-list digest users Reply-to: 80-96-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 80-96-list Digest V2000 #26 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 80-96-list Digest Sun, 05 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 026 In This Issue: Re: mug punter Reply Starting problems & Post problems ? 1985 460 HP and Torque Re: Modified Slurs Re: Matter Of Ethnic Principal Thanks Phred Automatic Trans Fluid Pump over exchange? Re: ch*vy Brand? Why worry? Re: Automatic Trans Fluid Pump over exchange? Re: Modified Slurs Chevy engines Cha chiinng Re: 1 more tranny Petersen missed Re: 1 more tranny Petersen missed ch*vies again Re: Reply Starting problems & Post problems ? Keep Partying on Mark!!!! Re: Problems starting Off topic, off the list.... Re: Okay somebody educate me!!! ADMIN: Mailboxes, slight delay Re: Post problems ? Re: Problems starting Not FT, but I though you guys might get a kick out of it Re: Not FT, but I though you guys might get a kick out Re: Not FT, but I though you guys might get a First On Race Day B&M Transpack ROCKS!!! My Personal Insight on Ford vs. Ch*vy MSD/300I6 trial ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" Subject: Re: mug punter Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 08:17:22 -0600 Thanks Les, I am very much relieved to hear that 'mug punter' has nothing to do with kicking beer cans, as that happens to be one of my favorite Redneck pastimes down here in South Louisiana.< After a long day of workin on my Ford truck (FTE content), my idea of Heaven on Earth is a quiet evening on the porch with friends, sharing an ice chest full of COLD brews, watchin the bug zapper, and usin the trash barrel for target practice. 8^> Smeck From: les williams > No Worries Mate, > Ok, so a 'mug punter' is a good old Oz slang saying usually used in > association with betting on horse races ------------------------------ From: "The Casey's" Subject: Reply Starting problems & Post problems ? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 09:44:58 -0000 Have verified the battery cable tried wiggling them. After about a minute everything powers up. will get the battery checked for a dead cell though. It currently only does it about once every two to three weeks? Is any one else having problems with my post emails if so any suggestions on how to correct it? I truely am not a computer person. Thanks again. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 08:47:43 -0700 From: Andrew Antipas Subject: 1985 460 HP and Torque Hi Folks, Anyone know the HP and Torque figures for a 1985 460 factory 4 barrel carb in a F350 crewcut 4x4 factory non catalyst? The engine does have an air pump and EGR though. Any simple hop-up suggestions. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: "DannyF" Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 10:09:53 -0600 Subject: Re: Modified Slurs > Why do we have to talk about hateful things at all?. Also, why do we have > to > put down Chevy or any other make to feel good about our fords. > > Eric > Proud Ford, Chevy and Nissan owner Eric, I'm resigned to say its plain 'ol human nature. Been existant since the time of man. Almost everyone wants to "feel" like their doing better than the next guy. When your not and you know it, theres an inclination to down the other guy to make yourself "feel" better. Sort of a "self- rationalization". How one deals w/his current perceived "position" is what determines his perceptions/attitudes and sometimes, even entire personality. BTW, entire countries can take on this behavior when dealing w/one another. Danny fitz011 ev1.net ------------------------------ From: "DannyF" Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 10:10:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Matter Of Ethnic Principal > Didn't really notice that point but you are right, we have at least one > member from Saudi Arabia who would be within his rights to take offense > at > that remark. We've discussed this before when some of us were running > the > Japanese down because they flood our market with less expensive cars > etc. > and called them "Japs". > > I've always used this word because my dad was in the second world war > and > when you come from that generation you have little love for them but this > is > now and because a person has a heritage or lives in a land which is > doing > wrong things does not mean all are guilty so.........and even if they > were > what do we gain by this? > > Please note my trimmed post :-) > > -- > Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, > 78 Bronco Loving, Gary I'll be brief since this is a Ford truck list: Am I the only one who uses the word "Jap" WITHOUT any negative connotations? Its short for the word Japanese! Hell, I can't read everyone's mind to search for negative perceptions about every word I use in conversation. Same w/Americans calling British "brits" or a detective calling a victim a "vic" or a perpetrator a "perp". Just semantics. I can tell you this...the Japanese have a common word for Americans that might not be so perceived as neutral. Many other countries do too. If I call a catalytic converter a "cat" are the Al Sharpton's of the catalytic converter industry going to lambast me? Sheesh! Some people need to release some of their inner guilts/perceptions. Danny fitz011 ev1.net ------------------------------ From: "Donald Porto" Subject: Thanks Phred Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 09:15:16 PST Phred, Thanks for the great tour of your facility and the delicious Mexican Food. I knew from your posts that you are knowledgeable but had no idea as to how much so. I think you are correct once again on the timing of my vehicle. I captured quite a bit of statistics on my 460's performance between El Passo and New Orleans. By the way I arrived at 2:30 PM. Friday just in time to get cleaned up and catch the parades. I plan to install the MSD Ignition Module you recomended before leaving New Orleans for New York. I will compar the statistics on that leg of the journey and let you know how things compare. /Thanks again Don ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: IMATOOLMAN aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:18:42 EST Subject: Automatic Trans Fluid Pump over exchange? I live on long Island New York and need to find a place to have my auto/trans fluid changed but I want to have the system flushed pump new fluid exchanged for the old and then have my filter changed in that order Is this correct? I need to find a shop here on LI NY that will do this sort of thing,does any know where I can get it done? Thanks Tool ------------------------------ From: BanksRVA aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:32:42 EST Subject: Re: ch*vy In a message dated 3/4/00 8:28:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, scott ford-trucks.com writes: < < > Also, why do we have to >put down Chevy or any other make to feel good about our fords. I agree that racial slurs don't belong on this list, but vehicular slurs????? >> This whole thread started because someone referred to Saudi Arabians as Camel Headed, Goat Breath, Sand something Maggots. Then that person wrote back that he will use the word Chevy as a negative so us thin skins wouldn't be offended. Anyone with common sense knows the Ford and Chevy rivalry is all in good fun. The REAL issue was the unnecessary name calling of other races. How it turned into not being able to rib your buddy about driving his Chevy is beyond me. Joe ------------------------------ From: apowell ezlink.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:18:13 -0700 Subject: Brand? Why worry? markheid seidata.com said: > This is a long message, so go get a cup of coffee, okay? And > I'm not trying to be quarrelsome, I'm just pointing out a > few things based upon experience. Remember through all this > that I am still an F-series (and Ford in general) > enthusiast, just a realistic one. Well spoken! The Ford pickup list is a place where members express pride in their rides and display an excellent level of technical knowledge about them. I appreciate the information and support I have already received, and the tolerance you folks have shown while correcting some erroneous statements on my part. I started as a GM guy, have driven many makes, and bought my used 93 F- 150 because a) I love the captain's seats and the 351 engine (although it's not as strong as I think it could be); c) I put 3K miles on a 96 F-150 and liked the way it drove, and; c) In this market. the Ford cost $1000 less than comparable Chevy pickups, which had an interior design I personally liked just a bit better. Any more, I don't really have strong brand preferences among domestic vehicles, and frankly don't like most of the US cars. For examples, GM consistently designs cars (not trucks) which repulse me. (Want my personal definition of butt-ugly? Try the tail ends on the new Monte Carlo and Impala.) We've bought used Audis for our last two family cars, and we love them. Working on them, however, is definitely an acquired skill. In engines, I guess my experience is getting out of date. I've rebuilt all or part of the Ford 292 Y-block, Chevy small-block V8, Pontiac 389, '59 Mercedes straight six, Fiat 4-cylinder 1100/1200 series, and Ford flathead V8. I helped my dad put a 292 Y-block into a 53 Ford pickup, which worked super! I've done transmission and rear end repairs or rebuilds on many of the above. The only vehicle I own with under 100K miles is my 1958 Fiat Spyder Roadster (Hey, it's fun. No other excuse is needed..). The reason I haven't rebuilt newer engines is that no car of any make that I've owned in the past 20 years has NEEDED an engine rebuild. I've run synthetic lubricants since 1977, and I've not had a lubricated engine part fail since then. As all the list-members here know, good maintenance pays off with any vehicle. I like driving ANY of the above. They're all different. I think that with good maintenance, the engines of modern vehicles will last more than 200K miles without major work. Aside from the tendency of Chrysler-designed AC systems to grenade themselves about every 40K miles, I don't really see a dramatic advantage of one domestic pickup truck line over another - it's just "run what you like". Having said all the above, I really do like my 93 F-150, and have no plans to part with it for many years. Dad my dad always kept his trucks at least 20 years....maybe I will, too. I thank all of you for the great information you share on this list, and I want to mention that Ken deserves credit as one of the best listserv moderators I've seen in a long time. __ ++++++++++++++++++++WSU-CSU+++++++++++++++++ Al Powell Apowell EZlink.com 1958 Fiat 1200 Spyder "Transformabile" 1983 Datsun 280ZXT 1990 Audi 200 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ezlink.com/~powells/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: slikness mindspring.com Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 13:30:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Automatic Trans Fluid Pump over exchange? If they flush pump the tranny, they won't change the filter. They reverse pump the system, which is supposed to clean the filter as it flushes. When you exchange old fluid for new in a flush pump, there is no opportunity to change the filter. You could have them change the filter, button it back up and then flush pump the remaining fluid. Slik > I live on long Island New York and need to find a place to have my auto/trans fluid changed but I want to have the system flushed pump new fluid exchanged for the old and then have my filter changed in that order Is this correct? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 13:42:19 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Modified Slurs At 08:43 AM 3/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, Ken.... > >This is a long message, so go get a cup of coffee, okay? And Three comments. 1. Your way off on your Mac/Intel/Linux assumption. I've used Macs since the first 64k model and PCs since the XT. I've always hated Macs. I've always preferred being in control rather than someone who needs the OS to wipe his butt. Nothing against the Mac, but I'm potty trained. I have 4 computers. 3 of them run Linux. One is a Linux & FreeBSD dual-boot system. Plus the dedicated server runs Linux. Our last server was BSDI Unix. I have mail on the Win NT box for one reason: there is a program called Perfect Keyboard that handles keyboard macros really well, which is what's needed for email responses when you get 200-300 daily emails. If it weren't for that, I'd use one of the many excellent email packages for Linux and would dump NT. I've never bought a Mac, not because of cost because cost has never been the primary reason for buying a computer. Rather, Apple hasn't produced a true open system since the Apple IIgs. Apple lost its soul when Jobs pushed Woz out. 2. My 390, essentially the same setup as a 427, has never been a hassle and is a very good street engine. It got its first rebuilt at 265,000 miles when I decided it was time to give it more ooooommmmmpppphhhhh. 2. We haven't added "Chevy Engine" to our name. If you want to talk in depth about how great Chevy engines are, take it to a more appropriate forum. It doesn't belong here, which is probably why you said you knew you were going to get flamed. Please read our charter on the web site. In essence, "here's a quarter....." Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:52:23 -0500 From: Paul Subject: Chevy engines Cha chiinng From what I have read the Chevy engine fans mention that they can build a nice engine easier and cheaper than they could a Ford. Plus, Auto Zone might not have to order the parts! It also seems like Chevy engine people see the engine as kind of a plug in appliance, sort of like buying a refrigerator; "why spend more for the loud thing that makes it go" point of view, and who cares if everyone has one. A fair argument for those who have little passion for their vehicles. The Ford engine people seem to see the engine more as a living heart, and wouldn't want a Chevy engine in a Ford anymore than wanting in theory a baboon heart in their body, for example. A far more passionate argument for those who see the car/truck at a higher level. The bottom line is that Chevy fans should never use the "heartbeat of America" slogan, since they couldn't care less about the heart/engine. A heart, after all, is alive. Better they choose a term more appropriate, like "the goodwrench of America", etc. The REAL "heartbeat" fans are of course the superior Ford people, who appreciate the "heart" on a higher plane, not yet attained by the Chevyites, as a personal, living thing and not just something that keeps you "not dead". Besides, if the Chevys are so great: why, when designing a new engine, would anyone deliberately choose to position the distributor at the wrong end of the engine? Some of the new, smaller engines are used in transverse designs where the distributor positioning isn't as important, and that's why in straight line design the end up on the wrong end, but you can't make that excuse for GM. Just my nickel, Davidek Mahavishnu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:46:48 -0800 Subject: Re: 1 more tranny Petersen missed From: Joan and Walt Posluszny Petersens also forgot to mention the 4 spd, Manual O.D. in my 85 150, behind a 351W 4x4. I think it was technically called a TOD? Stock : 3.01, 1.78, 1.00, 0.71 Walt > > From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" > Subject: Transmission gear ratios....... > Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:12:23 -0500 > > Petersen's 4 wheel and Off Road has a great article in it this month, April, > 2000 issue, about trannys, xfer cases etc, and failed to include the Ford > C-6 [snip] > > Here are the ford ones: > > C-6, stock: > 2.46, 1.46, 1.0 > > C-6, aftermarket: > 2.82, 1.54, 1.0 > 2.75, 1,57, 1.0 > > T18: > 6.32, 3.09, 1.69, 1.0 > > T19: > 5.11, 3.03, 1.79, 1.00 > > T98: > 6.40, 3.09, 1.69, 1.00 > > A4OD: > 2.40, 1.47, 1.00, 0.67 > > E4OD: > 2.71, 1.53, 1.00, 0.71 > > NP435: > 6.69, 3.34, 1.79, 1.00 > > Clark 280: > 7.00, 4.00, 2.17, 1.00, 0.80 > > -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 13:08:10 -0800 From: Bob Kennedy Subject: Re: 1 more tranny Petersen missed That article wasn't even the tip of the iceberg, No ODs no Borg Warner cases. Since that's all I've got it left me a little disappointed as well. Bob Joan and Walt Posluszny wrote: > Petersens also forgot to mention the 4 spd, Manual O.D. in my 85 150, behind > a 351W 4x4. > > I think it was technically called a TOD? Stock : 3.01, 1.78, 1.00, 0.71 > > Walt > > > > From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" > > Subject: Transmission gear ratios....... > > Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:12:23 -0500 > > > > Petersen's 4 wheel and Off Road has a great article in it this month, April, > > 2000 issue, about trannys, xfer cases etc, and failed to include the Ford > > C-6 > [snip] > > > > > Here are the ford ones: > > > > C-6, stock: > > 2.46, 1.46, 1.0 > > > > C-6, aftermarket: > > 2.82, 1.54, 1.0 > > 2.75, 1,57, 1.0 > > > > T18: > > 6.32, 3.09, 1.69, 1.0 > > > > T19: > > 5.11, 3.03, 1.79, 1.00 > > > > T98: > > 6.40, 3.09, 1.69, 1.00 > > > > A4OD: > > 2.40, 1.47, 1.00, 0.67 > > > > E4OD: > > 2.71, 1.53, 1.00, 0.71 > > > > NP435: > > 6.69, 3.34, 1.79, 1.00 > > > > Clark 280: > > 7.00, 4.00, 2.17, 1.00, 0.80 > > > > -- > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > message. -- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/cgi-bin/sf.cgi?uid=default&vr2=1&ID=311 86XLT/5.0/AOD/8.8/D44 4.56 Detroit/EZ, 36x12.50x16.5, 6"/0" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 13:10:56 -0800 From: scott Subject: ch*vies again >A Hemi produced approximately 425-500 horsepower in street >trim. A Chevy 350 can produce similar figures if built >properly. I do believe a 2000 Pinto engine can built up to near the 500 horse area also.A 500 horse version of a 460 is available in the Ford Motorsports catalog.So what. >The bottom line is this: there is more "bang for the buck" >with a Chevrolet small block. Most of us realize ch*vies are cheaper to build.So what. There are ways around that.I just bought a used Edelbrock manifold for my 428.It cost me $75.I bead blasted it and it is just like brand new. You may just have to be a little more resourseful to run a Ford. The bottom line is that new ch*vy parts are cheaper due to higher demand.I prefer to stick with something that has a lower demand for replacement parts,thank you. >the cost of building a performance engine evens out between Ford >and Chevy. I'm not so certain about the "lasting longer" point, >though. Maybe if you don't count the crankshaft.The man who does my machine work told me BB ch*vy cranks break on a regular basis.He has never seen a 460 crank break. >This is also true. But remember, more often than not, what >wins a race at NASCAR isn't the car's engine but the skill >of the driver and the skill of the mechanics who "dial-in" >the car. That is why why Dale Jarrett credited his Robert Yates horsepower when he won Daytona this year. >running some sort of definitely non-production hybrid engine, a mill >with Cleveland-style heads on a specialized Windsor-type >block. And ch*vies are running the same engine that comes in a 00 monte carlo? >Chevies, on the other hand, are running >an engine that is fairly close to their production small >block in terms of how the long block is laid out. That >should tell you something, as well. I guess so .I thought SB ch*vies had siamesed exhaust ports on the center two cylinders >Just because a path is more difficult does not necessary >mean it MUST be better. Why challenge youself,right. >And money is difficult to come by, >so I spend it in a manner that nets me the most returns. I'm no millionare myself,but have managed to put together a very good looking and running Ford. >I would never transplant a Chevy engine into a Ford. The >hassle involved with that simply makes it cost-ineffective. But if ch*vies are so much cheaper and better,why not???? >The difference with the T-bucket kit is that the frame is >already set up for a Chevy small block. I believe I could find one with Ford mounts. >The reason is >simple...more people are going to build one with a SBC, And why be different.BTW ever look at the tailgate on a T? It says FORD. >But as a realist, I have to acknowledge that in some areas >(performance) Chevy has the upper hand. That is what the kid in the bl*zer thought Wednesday afternoon. I may have changed his mind 30 yards from the traffic light thoo..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:17:47 -0600 From: Jim Cannon Subject: Re: Reply Starting problems & Post problems ? At 09:44 05/03/00 -0000, The Casey's wrote: > >Have verified the battery cable tried wiggling them. After about a minute everything powers up. will get the battery checked for a dead cell though. It currently only does it about once every two to three weeks? > >Is any one else having problems with my post emails if so any suggestions on how to correct it? I truely am not a computer person. Thanks again. My software automatically wraps your long lines so I can read them OK. Usually there is a setup option where you specify "line length" or something like that. You will have to tell people what e-mail software you use and then see if anyone else on the list happens to use it and can give you more specific advice. Jim Cannon Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech '29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!" '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8 ------------------------------ From: "Dave Harmier" Subject: Keep Partying on Mark!!!! Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:23:35 -0600 In Jegs, Edelbrock Performer RPM Heads: Chevy SB: 930.99/pr Ford 5.0/5.8 1029.99/pr cams pretty much same price chevy or ford intakes:Weiand Action + sbc 90.99 sbf 111.99 X-cellerator sbc 106.99 sbf 152.99 Stealth sbc 99.99 sbf 158.99 351w 187.99 Edelbrock Performer RPM sbc 119.99 sbf 145.99 351w 183.99 Say what you will. I will drive Ford Every day. But I will Hot-Rod, Play Car with Chevy Power. Guess I'll put on Asbestos Suit now. Dave H. Houston ------------------------------ From: ADCSRWS aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:25:30 EST Subject: Re: Problems starting Hi The Caseys, Look at both ends of the battery cables. I would bet that there is a loose or dirty connection. Hang in there! Dick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 17:41:50 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: Off topic, off the list.... Keep the off topic posts off the list, please. Yes, I'm talking to the Chevy weenies. Ken Payne List "Den Mother" ------------------------------ From: markheid seidata.com Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 13:31:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Okay somebody educate me!!! >that gasoline has an octane rating of 82-97 and propane 95-104 which, >although different are not radically different, but I'll take the fuel with >100 or so rating any day over a lower value. This makes a huge difference in >performance. Dedicated applications usually recurve the distributor, but the This is a common misperception. Octane DOES NOT add power to an engine; it merely supports the higher compression ratios and other performance-adding features of a high-output engine. It is those features that make the power, NOT the octane. Add octane to the average car that does not require premium fuel, and you will notice absolutely no difference in power, longevity, or mileage. If an engine requires high-octane fuel and gets the cheap stuff instead, however, it will run noticably less well. Spark knock, reduced power output, reduced economy, and reduced longevity (not to mention elevated emissions) can be expected when cheap stuff is pumped into the gas tank of a car that needs premium. Both of these examples assume all other things being equal, but in the real world, this is not true. The lower grades of gasoline, particularly at these little generic gas stations and convenience stores, are often cut with other subtances, usually ethanol and/or toulene (sp?), which contribute to reduced output. So, if you have a "regular unleaded" car, you may indeed experience a better running engine by pumping the good stuff in there, even though it exceeds the car's published requirements. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 18:24:06 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: ADMIN: Mailboxes, slight delay The free email boxes will be delayed until mid-week. I need a couple of extra days to get the sign screen ready. Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts ------------------------------ From: "Ed Mount" Subject: Re: Post problems ? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:33:27 -0600 No problems at all with your post, and had no problems at all with your previous post. Ed -----Original Message----- From: The Casey's To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com <80-96-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Sunday, March 05, 2000 9:56 AM Subject: [80-96-list] Reply Starting problems & Post problems ? |Is any one else having problems with my post emails if so any suggestions on how to correct it? I truely am not a computer person. Thanks again. ------------------------------ From: Spruce1495 aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:53:42 EST Subject: Re: Problems starting Sounds like you need to pull the battery connections and really clean them inside and out, then use vaseline or a non-corroding paste when reassembling. Then possibly charge the battery before use. Bill in KY ------------------------------ From: "Robert Werner" Subject: Not FT, but I though you guys might get a kick out of it Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 02:07:38 +0000 This weekend, a bunch of us dumb high-school rednecks took an old Tempo out to a big sand pit and drove it off a cliff (no driver, we ain't that stupid - yet). Went off once, kept runnin, even after somebody put a charge of gunpowder under the hood-blew the hood open. Pulled i up, went off again, except this time it flipped, and it kept running until she ran outta gas or oil, there were clouds of smoke everywhere (beware the DNR). We tried to do the same thing with a plymouth horizon-didn't work. Haulin here back there, I snapped a tow rope twice, then she caught fire before we could send her over (nearly started a brush fire) I know it was probably very irresponsible and stupid to be doing this, but hey didn't you ever do this kinda stuff when you were kids? ------------------------------ From: Lingus0169 aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:18:25 EST Subject: Re: Not FT, but I though you guys might get a kick out well, i dont see the point in that message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:36:08 -0500 From: "Theodore D. Mills" Subject: Re: Not FT, but I though you guys might get a At 21:18 03/05/2000 EST, you wrote: >well, i dont see the point in that message. I do....... Fords are so tough you can run them over a cliff and they keep running. Guess that makes me a redneck then..... YEEEHAAA!!!!!!! Ted N3KWQ Aston, Pa 84 Mustang GT (in pieces) 85 Ranger XL 2WD 2.8L 91 F-250 SC 4X4x460 94 Taurus LX wagon 3.8L ------------------------------ From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:20:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: First On Race Day Who has heard of Henry Ford? Why don't we have a national holiday in his honor? As I drive down this old mountain road listing to the music of my v8 purr, blessing the engineer who made this slide rear window, I throw another beer can out the back into the bed of the truck. A ch. vy big block will challenge me sooner or later. I grin for I know he will be hauling another engine from Generous Motors soon. I will still be hauling aluminum for another decade. I know I am driving the true winner. I just love to brag. Yes, another slam, because I can. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://community.webtv.net/DBblueboy/DayBreakblueboyblue ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2000 21:42:27 -0800 From: "David W" Subject: B&M Transpack ROCKS!!! 1990 F250 460 E4OD, 117,xyz miles on the odometer and a huge camper in the bed...was having trouble with transmission "shift flair" on upshifts and downshifts, plus the torque converter shuddering during lock-up. Six months ago I did a full change of ATF including draining the torque converter and changed the filter, no help. Last week I purchased a B&M Transpack, for those who dont know its a kit designed to make your transmission shift quicker. It works by adding an electronic component to the wiring harness to the transmission, plus drilling a few holes inside the separator plate and changing out springs in the hydraulic pistons/actuators inside the transmission. I went to my local "Cottman" transmission repair shop to ask them how much $ to install the Transpack. (Not to say which Cottman Transmission, but its in BEAVERTON, OREGON on BASELINE near 185th...) After driving my truck, the prognosis was grim indeed. I needed a full rebuild. Plus, those E4OD transmissions are "riddled with defects." So they would have to replace the center support, relay board, torque converter, blah blah blah. Then they would add a box to delay converter lock. All of this would be between $2600 and $3000. The manager (owner?) seemed like a nice guy, but I knew something was up when the mechanic started to explain everything that was wrong to the manager (owner?). It was a conversation between them intended to sound like a funeral for an E4OD, in reality it was a pressure sales pitch to me, designed to make me fear being able to drive another mile. I went home. The next day I installed my Transpack and a miracle occurred! Both up and downshifts are crisp and instant! Not neck snapping, but FAST! My torque converter lockup is much faster than it was, the shudder is GONE. Had I spent $2600 on the rebuild and it behaved like it does now, I would have thought the work had been done right...even if the price would have "bent me over and loaded me like a shotgun." So, my non-expert but not stupid mind has concluded that there is NOTHING wrong with my transmission. The torque converter clutches MIGHT be worn and COULD be replaced but there is in fact no pressing need to do so; my transmission now shifts better than it ever has before. I did not do the work because I sensed impending failure, I did it because I know slow shifts cause friction, friction makes heat, heat kills transmissions. For all I know it could die tomorrow. But I doubt it. Eliminating the shift flair has certainly extended the life of my E4OD. So, the advice: If your transmission is up there in age and you are a bit worried, the Transpack is about $100, plus filter if you have a 4x4, and some new ATF. The instructions say the kit will NOT cure a sick transmission, so your mileage may vary. I took the chance because my shifts were slow, but once they were done everything felt solid, there were no noises except for the (now gone...) converter lock shudder. I hope this helps someone else. If so, feel free to mail me 5% of what you saved by not doing a rebuild. ;-) -David -------------------------------------- Opinions are my own and not those of Intel corporation. ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Gary, > I think you're a little off the mark by portraying ''most'' > garages as unscrupulous. (snip) ------------------------------ From: "Michael R. Dunbar" Subject: My Personal Insight on Ford vs. Ch*vy Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:19:49 -0500 Ok, I know we're supposed to be letting the Ch*vy posting's die out, but I just want to add my two bits worth anyway, most of which will be my bragging about my Ford. I'll start out with my brief statement on experience with Ch*vy though, just to get the painful part out of the way: Yes, I said painful, physically painful. My father is on his 2nd Ch*vy Astro van in 12 years. He's had one since 88, bought a new one as replacement in 93. In his mind, these were the best bang for the buck at the time, hauled a good deal with a 4.3L V-6 and had more room than all the other mini-vans on the market. (Yes, way back in 88, it was deemed a mini-van, later it was put in it's own class as a mid-sized) Anyway, like any other kid, I helped my dad in the garage, usually doing simple stuff like rotating the tires or adding new oil after he drained the pan. Later in life, I helped with minor engine work, and both of us have scars on our knuckles from something as simple as changing out sparkplugs, and he has a lot of scars in his checkbook from having to buy expensive replacement parts over the years. My dad isn't a die hard fan of any manufacturer, he just bought what he liked and what he felt was the best deal for his money at the time. Right now, he's semi-considering getting rid of the van, as it's no longer the fam's primary people hauler, for that he uses a Honda Accord, more than adequate for he and my mom and sister and it gets umpteen zillion miles to the gallon. However for trips to the dump and going and buying a load of mulch, etc, he's looking at a nice, used four-banger, Ford Ranger. I guess my point here is that in my experience with Ch*vy, they make a painful setup to work on, but it shouldn't matter what you drive as long as it does what you need it to do. Okay, that said and done, I'll move on to what is appropriate on a Ford list... At 20, I'm new to the whole owning of a car scene. Granted, all through high school, I've had friends who had mom and dad buy them cars, I've had friends who have owned everything from Audis to Fords to BMWs to MGs to Hondas, Toyotas, VWs, etc But not me, why? Didn't really need one. But now, being in college, being a bit more independent, I got myself a used Ford in October of 99. Yeah, I could've opted for something small and that got me a million miles to the gallon, but I didn't. I had my eye and my heart set on a Ford truck owned by my aunt. Being in the family, she cut me a deal. So off I flew to Virginia to pick up my 89 F-150. I don't care that she's not brand new, that she's not flashy like some of the new trucks on the road today, etc. The fact is, she's mine. Under the hood, she's got a 300 I-6. I have no loyalties, but this engine has been making me lean towards Ford recently. The odometer was built back in the day before Ford used the 100,000 mile mark, so it currently reads 61,079, but it really means 161,079. How does she run? Yup, like she's got 61,079 miles, period. Granted I've got my fair share of problems, it's a 10 year old truck, who doesn't have their fair share of problems on any car? But I knew what I was getting into, and I wanted a project vehicle anyway. My problems you ask? Here's a short list: A) Engine is sputtering/hesitating when applying gas. B) Exhaust kinda smells sulfurous, often at times leaves yellow spot on garage floor C) The ride is a bit rough, especially on frost-heave ridden, Vermont roads D) The paint is pretty rough, I've heard there was a factory defect in the primer used in 89 E) Gas mileage isn't that great, it's a truck!!! What can I expect? F) Minor body rust If I remember right, that's it, if it weren't 1:40 in the morning and I wasn't sick, I might remember more, I might not? But like I said, I wanted a project truck. I'm young, I'm ambitious, I'm open to learning new things. I like being a weekend grease monkey when I have the funds, and on top of that, I have plans to make my truck kick some serious ss. (Like I said, I'm young) A truck is a truck right? You can have a heavy hauler, a weekend warrior, a daily driver, etc, it's still a truck, it serves it's purpose to the man or woman who drives it, right? Most guys on campus drive 4x4s, mostly Toyotas and Nissans, there's a few Ch*vy's and Fords, not one single Mopar powered vehicle though. And everyone I know gives me hell for what I've told them I'm doing to my truck. No, I'm not lifting it. I have 2 wheel drive, and it's my truck, I'm going to do what "I" want to do. I've recently become fascinated with the Sport Truck world, in my opinion it takes the best of both worlds, you've got a little bit of the hot rod world mixed with the truck world, what more can any testosterone fueled, college male want? Back to what I've been saying, I wanted a project truck. My goals are simple: make it look and sound good, make it catch someone's attention from time to time (being recently single, this could be advantageous to me..., especially if it's a female's attention I catch...) and make it something that is solely mine in look, feel, and sound. Because I drive a Ford, I'm already off to a good start, no one around here drives a Ford turned Sport Truck. Why? Because every aftermarket place makes parts for all the other manufactures. I like challenge, this will make the work be more worth it for me. Anyway, the Ford bug has bitten me, especially since I own one now (My dream is to get out of college and get financially stable and to buy my first new truck, a F-350 Crew Cab Dually, yeah, I probably don't need it, but it's an imposing sight coming down the road isn't it? Like the slogan at Blimpie says: "It's a beautiful thing"). My truck isn't the biggest or the best on the road, but to me, it's the greatest thing since round wheels were invented (forget that sliced bread crap) I love driving around in my Ford and on a nice day being able to toss an empty Coke can (I'm only 20, can't be tossing beer cans in the back) in the back through my slider window. I love being able to open the huge hood and having to get a short step ladder out just so I can reach the rear of the engine. She's mine, and that's what's important. She's a Ford, and that's what is important to this list. Now, if anyone can help me out with my listed problems, it'd be great. I have a few fixes already lined up for a few, here's what I have planned: A) Engine --> Ask the guys on the Ford list for help B) Exhaust --> I'm going to be replacing the headers, cats, and muffler with performance parts this summer. Can't decide between Gibson, Borla or Flowmaster, I'm leaning towards Gibson though. C) Ride --> The shocks need to be replaced badly, as for the rest of the suspension... I'm building a Sport Truck, the suspension will be overhauled and rebuilt to my liking. D) Paint --> A friend who works at a local body shop is going to teach me how to paint, but he'll be doing most of the repainting work this summer, for nothing more than the price of the paint. What are friends for? E) Gas mileage --> One option I'm looking at is installing new gears, I'm thinking a 3.55:1 ratio, but am not sure. I'll ask you guys for opinions. F) Body rust --> This falls under the paint category So anyway, there's my brief insight. I'm young, but still I have quite a bit to say. Hopefully I won't have to step into an asbestos suit for saying what I did about Ch*vy, It was quick and hopefully painless. Also, I'm hoping I don't get shot at by you guys for what I have planned for my Ford, she's going to stay 100% Ford with a lot of my blood, sweat, and tears rolled into one as soon as she's done. I guarantee to post pictures when I'm done, hopefully this summer, just promise not to shoot at me. For now, I'm going to bed to have dreams of F-series driving through that damned fence the sheep were jumping over... Mike Dunbar 89 F-150 XLT Lariat White River Jct., Vermont http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/mdunbar420/truck.htm "Just remember, the wheel's spinning but the hamster's dead" -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Listar -- -- Type: application/ms-tnef -- File: winmail.dat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:25:11 -0800 Subject: MSD/300I6 trial From: Bill Berninghausen To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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