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80-96-list Digest Sun, 27 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 020

In This Issue:
Gas prices
Re: Engine/tranny replacement
F350 five speed tranny?
Re: Propane and Natural Gas
Re: Apology
Re: Vacuum
Update: Water in Air Cleaner on 300 I-6
Re: Engine/tranny replacement
Re: Apology
Double E-Mails
Re: Vacuum
Heater Core
Re: Heater Core
Re: Gas prices
Re: Update: Water in Air Cleaner on 300 I-6
Re: Vacuum
Re: Vacuum
Re: F350 five speed tranny?
Re: Vacuum
Re: 101 things to do with Propane in a Ford
Let's have some fun!
Re: propane info please
Re: F350 five speed tranny?
Re: Vacuum
Re: Heater Core
Re: Gas prices
Re: Let's have some fun!
Daystar lift/leveling block
Re: Let's have some fun!
There's hope for the old beast yet!
Re: Gas prices
Re: Gas prices
Re: Gas prices
Re: There's hope for the old beast yet!
Propane Option

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From: apowell ezlink.com
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:33:22 -0700
Subject: Gas prices

Gas prices are high in Colorado, too - about $1.54 a gallon. But I knew my
93 f-150 would be a gas hog when I bought it. No plans to park it, no plans to
argue with the 10 mpg I get in my mostly in-town driving. I've never had a full
size pickup that got over 15 mpg, even on a straight highway cruise at
moderate speeds. Our gas is still dirt cheap compared to most places in the
world.

When I get a new power steering rack into the 280ZX turbo, I'll go back to
driving it and stay that way until fall - but I'll stick with the truck for now. I
figure that if I park the truck with its snow tires and 4wd, we'll immediately get
2 feet of snow....and than I'd manage to stack the Z into something hard and
unyielding. Ack.

Hmmm. We need moisture around here...washing the truck didn't bring rain...
maybe parking it would bring snow.....
__
++++++++++++++++++++WSU-CSU+++++++++++++++++
Al Powell
Apowell EZlink.com
1958 Fiat 1200 Spyder "Transformabile"
1983 Datsun 280ZXT
1990 Audi 200
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ezlink.com/~powells/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:38:37 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Engine/tranny replacement



John H Fleming wrote:

> OK, it's time. I gotta replace my engine/trans. '86 F150 5L, AOD. 204,500
> miles and it's tired and leaks. Funny thing though, it still passes
> California smog with flying colors.
>
> What about a crate engine? Anybody swapped in a 351?

I friend has just performed this on a '90 Bronco. The engine will require
another flywheel. The transmission will bolt up just fine. The EFI
components, injectors, harness, rail etc, will work just fine. The intake
itself will not work, the valley is wider on a 351.
You'll need to swap a couple of injectors to match the change in firing
order.

Some of the attachments, power steering, alternator, air pump, etc, may not
match up bracket-wise.

> Does the tranny bolt
> up OK? Will the EFI work without major tinkering?
>
> Advice welcome.
>
> John
>
>

Bob


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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:51:57 -0700
From: Andrew Antipas sopris.net>
Subject: F350 five speed tranny?

Listers,

I have a 1985 F350 4x4, 460, 4spd (T18) w/ 4.10 gears. Was wondering if
ford offered a 5 spd tranny as an option back then? Looking to lower
rpms at highway speeds. Also looking for an economical solution.

Thanks!

Andy


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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:05:29 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon cnx.net>
Subject: Re: Propane and Natural Gas

>All LPG/Propane tanks, must be inspected and tested every 10 years, no ifs or
>butts. Part of the annual inspection process is to check the date stamp on the
>tank. One of the advantages of a dual tank install is you can have one
tested >(a couple of days) and still use the truck.

I'd better check up on this.

>When you windsor starts to 'wrun wraggard', are you going to build your own
>11.1 c/r propane special ??? Phred will probably drop on me from a great
height >for suggesting such a thing...;-)) and we haven't started talking
about the >turbos ..... I'm having fun in a Ford on LPG ....

Well I hate to encourage you but the idea HAD crossed my mind... One of my
buddies has a Talon that he is playing with. He changed out the turbo ect.
Sometimes I have to work hard to forgive him for driving a D*dge.
Chris
'84 F150 w/ original rust!
351W on propane
NP 435
NP 208
288K Km


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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:00:17 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Apology

Hi Ken,

First, may I offer my sympathies over the loss of your loved one. It
helps to remind me that I too am not immortal, even if I do drive a
Ford.....

Second, that virus, Is it 'Pretty Park' or is this another, 'South
Park'?
If it's Pretty Park, then I'm suprised that you only had one hit. I am
only on one other list and it went thru like a dose of salts, IF you
opened the attachment. It appeared to then have a life of it's own,
crediting a list member in Zaire as the culprit. This went on for 6 days
with the virus being reposted every 6 hours from Zaire. The point is
that the list member was not aware of the problem, and couldn't
understand why e-mail 'bombs' were being posted back to him, by the
more radical fringe dwellers of the group.
Out of just under 2000 subscribers, not all virus checkers were catching
it all the time. My policy was to immediately delete anything with
'Park' on the subject line. Your first post on the 'Park' almost went
the same way. On reading it I had a feeling of 'But for the grace of
God, there go I....' after learning what I had about 'Pretty Park',on
the mug group.
Thank You

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ

Ken Payne wrote:

> I owe Phil Jern a public apology for blasting him about
> the South Park virus last week. I made the comments in
> public and therefore need to eat crow in public.
>
> My stress level has been enormous lately and I'm afraid
> I haven't treated a few people with the common decency
> they deserve. No harm was done since Listar stripped
> the attachment and I should have discussed it privately
> with Phil.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>


------------------------------

From: BanksRVA aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:34:23 EST
Subject: Re: Vacuum

Hey folks,
Quick question here. After playing with my engine the other day (300 I-6), I
noticed if I pulled one of the vacuum caps off the intake manifold, the idle
went up. I thought the idle would go down because of the vacuum leak. Anyone
know what's up with this?
Joe

------------------------------

From: MRStace84 aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:37:21 EST
Subject: Update: Water in Air Cleaner on 300 I-6

Hello List,

Last week I had posted that I was finding water/ condesation in my air
cleaner on my 84 300 I6. Some of you all suggested changing the thermostat.
I did that last week, and drove the truck some this weekend. The good news
is I'm am not finding water in the aircleaner now, but oil. Sounds like the
rings are heading South to me. I don't know if changing the thermostat
changed this or if it was just coincidence. I put a 195 in it, but I'm sure
that what my old one was.

Stacy
84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4

------------------------------

From: slikness mindspring.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:42:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Engine/tranny replacement

I swapped in a 351W for my 300 I6 in my '82. I can't tell you much about the EFI except that you can't swap intakes from the 5.0 to the 351W. The 351W is wider. Your tranny and motor mounts will match right up though and you can transfer your front mounted accessories (power steering, A/C, altenator) with the purchase of a one special adapter from Ford Motorsports. I would definately go crate, especially swapping from a 302 to 351W. If you go like for like, then a long block would be the ticket and swap all your other components from the old 302. Oh, and the flexplates are balanced different so don't use your 302 flexplate on the 351W.

Good luck,

Slik

> OK, it's time. I gotta replace my engine/trans. '86 F150 5L, AOD. 204,500 miles...
What about a crate engine? Anybody swapped in a 351? Does the tranny bolt up OK? Will the EFI work without major tinkering?


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:47:35 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Apology

At 08:00 PM 2/28/00 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Ken,
>
>First, may I offer my sympathies over the loss of your loved one. It
>helps to remind me that I too am not immortal, even if I do drive a
>Ford.....

Thank you.

>Second, that virus, Is it 'Pretty Park' or is this another, 'South
>Park'?

It's listed as both, but they are the same virus.

>If it's Pretty Park, then I'm suprised that you only had one hit. I am
>only on one other list and it went thru like a dose of salts, IF you
>opened the attachment. It appeared to then have a life of it's own,
>crediting a list member in Zaire as the culprit. This went on for 6 days
>with the virus being reposted every 6 hours from Zaire.


You were lucky. The virus usually does it every 30 minutes. Good
thing his computer wasn't on-line all the time.

>The point is
>that the list member was not aware of the problem, and couldn't
>understand why e-mail 'bombs' were being posted back to him, by the
>more radical fringe dwellers of the group.
>Out of just under 2000 subscribers, not all virus checkers were catching
>it all the time. My policy was to immediately delete anything with
>'Park' on the subject line. Your first post on the 'Park' almost went
>the same way. On reading it I had a feeling of 'But for the grace of
>God, there go I....' after learning what I had about 'Pretty Park',on
>the mug group.
>Thank You
>
>regards
>Les
>Lost in the Land of OZ

That's why I have the list server filter out attachments. Sometimes
a list member has complained because they wanted to sent out a
picture to the members, but once you open up the list to attachments,
bad things can happen ---- plus imagine the server load sending a
100k file to all the members! :-)

Ken



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From: "Chapman, David P" unisys.com>
Subject: Double E-Mails
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:46:50 -0500

For the last week or two, I've been getting two copies of each e-mail sent
from the list. Is anyone else having this problem?

Dave
95 Bronco

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From: MRStace84 aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:26:03 EST
Subject: Re: Vacuum

In a message dated 2/28/00 8:37:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, BanksRVA aol.com
writes:

<< Hey folks,
Quick question here. After playing with my engine the other day (300 I-6), I
noticed if I pulled one of the vacuum caps off the intake manifold, the idle
went up. I thought the idle would go down because of the vacuum leak. Anyone
know what's up with this?
Joe >>


I had the same problem with my 300 I-6 about a week ago. Your air/ fuel
adjustement isn't right. I'm still playing with mine trying to get it right,
but your truck is proably running too rich right now (mine was). Right now
I have my air/ fuel adjustement screen turned all the way in, and when I pull
off a vaccum line, the idle get really rough.

Stacy
84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4


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From: "Latham, Wayne M" mcdermott.com>
Subject: Heater Core
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:33:00 -0600

What's involved in replacing the heater core on a '88 F150 w/ I6? Do you
have
to pull out the dash or can I get to it through the glove compartment?
Wayne in VA

------------------------------

From: MRStace84 aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:52:10 EST
Subject: Re: Heater Core

In a message dated 2/28/00 9:44:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Wayne.M.Latham mcdermott.com writes:

<< What's involved in replacing the heater core on a '88 F150 w/ I6? Do you
have
to pull out the dash or can I get to it through the glove compartment?
Wayne in VA >>

Not to long ago I changed one in my uncle's 89 F150 with a 302. I popped out
the glove compartment lid. This gave me easy access to the heater core
compartment. There is a few screws that hold the lid on, remove them, and
unhook the hoses and the heater core pops right out. The entire job didn't
probably only took 20 minutes.

Stacy
84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4

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From: "Moore, Jimmy" ZymeTx.com>
Subject: Re: Gas prices
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:10:01 -0600

Gas prices are ridiculous in Oklahoma City! This time last year, I was
paying 69-70 cents per gallon, and that's NO JOKE! It cost me around $25 to
fill BOTH tanks. Last week I filled up at the herendous price of $1.27 and
it cost me $46 to fill both tanks! I am having to budget my money even more
now! Those idiots that control the price need to come up off it! I get
around 12-13 in town and around 16-18 on the highway, but still! My truck
has 217,000 miles on it, and still going!

It just cost me $240 to have the frame straightened, and it's costing me
another $200 to have the front end aligned today! I've had the sucker for
pert near three years, and I wouldn't trade it for nothing! Next, I'll have
to fork out some money for a front bumper! In case anyone hasn't figured it
out, I wrecked the front end by hitting MY front porch, in the snow, and
running over a tree stump that was in front of the porch. The stump crushed
my front frame brace, and pulled in my frame, and bent my radial arms. The
porch destroyed my bumper and drivers side quarter panel. I still need one
of those, too!

I got the idle adjusted, and the flooding was the automatic choke, which was
90 degrees out of whack. Now, I can feel a "miss" in it, but I think that
is the plug wires. When I touch the distributor cap with the motor running,
it shocks the hell out of me! So I THINK that's where the miss is coming
from. I'll change those out later this week.

I do have a question. My inside signal for turning, the one in the dash.
Sometimes it flashes, and sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't seem to be
related to when the lights are on or anything. Probably not a fuse, but
possibly a relay?

-----Original Message-----
From: apowellezlink.com [mailto:apowellezlink.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:33 PM
To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Gas prices


Gas prices are high in Colorado, too - about $1.54 a gallon. But I knew my
93 f-150 would be a gas hog when I bought it. No plans to park it, no plans
to
argue with the 10 mpg I get in my mostly in-town driving. I've never had a
full
size pickup that got over 15 mpg, even on a straight highway cruise at
moderate speeds. Our gas is still dirt cheap compared to most places in the

world.

When I get a new power steering rack into the 280ZX turbo, I'll go back to
driving it and stay that way until fall - but I'll stick with the truck for
now. I
figure that if I park the truck with its snow tires and 4wd, we'll
immediately get
2 feet of snow....and than I'd manage to stack the Z into something hard and

unyielding. Ack.

Hmmm. We need moisture around here...washing the truck didn't bring rain...

maybe parking it would bring snow.....
__
++++++++++++++++++++WSU-CSU+++++++++++++++++
Al Powell
ApowellEZlink.com
1958 Fiat 1200 Spyder "Transformabile"
1983 Datsun 280ZXT
1990 Audi 200
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ezlink.com/~powells/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: Mike Persell home.com>
Subject: Re: Update: Water in Air Cleaner on 300 I-6
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:44:50 -0600

If the oil that was showing the moisture is still in the engine try
changing out the contaminated oil too. It may only be a minor slowdown in
truly bad ring but it could also put fresh oil at the right temperature
and let the rings cycle the way they're supposed to.


Mike

On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, you wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> Last week I had posted that I was finding water/ condesation in my air
> cleaner on my 84 300 I6. Some of you all suggested changing the thermostat.
> I did that last week, and drove the truck some this weekend. The good news
> is I'm am not finding water in the aircleaner now, but oil. Sounds like the
> rings are heading South to me. I don't know if changing the thermostat
> changed this or if it was just coincidence. I put a 195 in it, but I'm sure
> that what my old one was.
>
> Stacy
> 84 F150 4x4
> 98 Ranger XLT 4x4
> ==========================================================
> To unsubscribe, send email to: listarford-trucks.com with
> the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the body of the
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From: BanksRVAaol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:12:15 EST
Subject: Re: Vacuum

In a message dated 2/28/00 9:27:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
MRStace84aol.com writes:

<<
noticed if I pulled one of the vacuum caps off the intake manifold, the
idle
went up. I thought the idle would go down because of the vacuum leak.
Anyone
know what's up with this?
Joe >>


I had the same problem with my 300 I-6 about a week ago. Your air/ fuel
adjustement isn't right. I'm still playing with mine trying to get it
right,
but your truck is proably running too rich right now >>

The thing is, I set the mixture with a vacuum guage, that's what has me
confused.
Joe

------------------------------

From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Vacuum
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:56:44 -0500

Up to the point of "lean miss" the engine will aways run faster at the same
throttle setting, unloaded, if you lean it out which is what happens when
you pull a vac line and don't plug it. Using a vac gauge works but you need
one with a pretty large face on it to do a better job than by ear IMHO. An
accurate tach does the same thing, measures speed and thus mixture. The vac
gauge won't measure mixture or speed directly but actually measures throttle
opening which at a given speed is a measure of the mixture to some extent.

Essentially, at idle, you want the leanest mixture it will run well on and
that equates to the fastest speed for any given throttle opening so the vac
gauge works for this but so does a tach or your ear. Lean idle does several
good things and one bad thing depending in the carb you have which is also
where ported vs manifold timing comes into play. Leaner means cleaner
plugs, warmer cylinder temps to maintain engine temp and better economy but
it also may mean the engine starves just off of idle due to insufficiend
transition circuitry like many Holleys do. They rely on the accellerator
pump and power valve to augment the transition so can be touchy to get tuned
right in that very important area of operation.

Manifold vac timing:
leanest mixture and most advance for smooth idle

Ported vac timing:
richest mixture and least advance for a smooth idle

Some carbs and engine combos like one better than the other for best off
idle transition so it if stumbles off idle then you may want to tune it the
other way instead to see if it improves.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> noticed if I pulled one of the vacuum caps off the intake
>manifold, the
>idle
> went up. I thought the idle would go down because of the
>vacuum leak.

------------------------------

From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: F350 five speed tranny?
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:35:50 -0500

Only one ford used was the ZF which has an integral aluminum housing with
criss/cross ribbs on the outside which are very distinct. There were two
versions, 547 and 542 and both work with the BW1345 or 56 xfer cases. It
uses ATF though and is not considered an especially good transmission for
durability.

Others can be adapted using Advance Adapter kits.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>I have a 1985 F350 4x4, 460, 4spd (T18) w/ 4.10 gears. Was wondering if
>ford offered a 5 spd tranny as an option back then? Looking to lower
>rpms at highway speeds. Also looking for an economical solution.

------------------------------

From: BanksRVAaol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:27:21 EST
Subject: Re: Vacuum

Thanks Gary

Joe

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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:47:18 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: 101 things to do with Propane in a Ford


Hi Chris,
My comments regarding tanks and testing was relevant to OZ only. I wasn't meaning
to worry you, however I would be curious as to the situation up there, and is USA
similar?

>Well I hate to encourage you but the idea HAD crossed my mind...

Thanks heaps, Mate. - Some people may suggest that the last thing I need is
encouragement. The reason for my jubilation over Propane is that for several years
now, the smog laws have discouraged any real freedom, and whatever you do must
ultimately pass a smog test somewhere. Propane is an all *new ballgame and since
most people don't have a clue as to what is going on (take this list for instance)
they can't say 'no' cause they don't understand the concept so they can't question
what we're up to & we can have fun again, and you wouldn't say 'no' to having fun ?

*Actually mass produced otto cycle vertical stationary engines running on town gas
were being built in 1884 by the Crossley Bros of the UK. This is not necessarily
the first, but shows how long the 'gas' concept has been around.

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ



------------------------------

From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Let's have some fun!
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:01:25 -0700


Blake wrote;

Is there anyway to know whether it is running lean with fuel
injection? How
can it be fixed if it is?
Will high or low fuel pressure cause leaness?

Yes, and its easy and reliable (or as reliable as your work can be). Locate
the Oxygen sensor signal wire, typically a Grey/blue stipped wire. The
sensor itself will usually have two White wires (these are the heater
wires),a Grey wire (Sensor Ground), and a Black wire which is your signal
wire. Follow it beyond the connector and it should typically be the
Grey/Blue OEM wire. Do not tap into the actual sensor wires themselves,
because they have some sort of Teflon coating for insulation.
For most of your F-150/250/350 series trucks this Gray/blue Oxygen sensor
wire can be found in a easy location. Here goes;
Open hood, belt buckle up against Ford Logo, put right hand on radiator
cap. Slide your hand back to about an inch and then another inch or so away
from you. Reaching under the more or less flat piece of metal your hand is
resting you will see a thick wrapped OEM harness passing in front of the
radiator and running towards the driver's headlight assembly (Oz people this
would be the passenger headlight-assuming many constants!!).
Inside this wrapped up wire harness is the Grey/blue wire that is the
Oxygen sensor wire.
Another location for this wire is right off the PCM connector. Our
computers are located deep down in the firewall in the far corner against
the drivers side wheel well. Find the darkest spot possible and that's it.
Disconnect battery negative, then go to the PCM connector, remove the 10mm
bolt that holds it in place, and remove connector. It is about 1 inch wide,
by about 5 inches long with a bunch of wires.

Locate pin # 29 if you have a regular MPFI (non SEFI). SEFI people you have
two oxygen sensors, one for each side of the engine. Pin # 44 is one side
and it is also Grey/blue, sorry but I don't have the literature in front of
me to recall where bank #2 is located but I beieve it is a Red/blk.

NOTA BENE: Count pin locations, not the number of wire. In the smallest
possible font Ford could find, you will see the reference numbers molded
into each end of the connector, one end will have 1,21,41 and the other end
will have 20,40,and 60.

Anyways, once the oxygen sensor wire is located, tap/solder into it with a
wire long enough to run into the cab. Connect your digital volt meter to (DC
Volts). Find a GOOD ground connection under the dash, preferable one that
the OEM harness uses.
You are going to be observing a small signal less than 1 Volt DC.
A voltage between 0.0V and 0.45 Volts indicates a lean condition.
Consequently, a voltage between 0.45 Volts and 0.95 Volts indicates a rich
condition.
Once the first 30 seconds of engine operation has elapsed, you should
monitor a lean condition, this is because your air pumps are saturating the
Oxygen sensor signal. The air pumps are adding oxygen into the exhaust to
assist the quick light-off of the catalytic converter.
After 1 or 2 minutes air pumps go off, and you should see a constantly
toggling signal that is always changing between righ and lean conditions. Go
for a drive, be careful don't stare at the digital voltmeter and cause an
accident!
Under normal driving you will see the constant crossing over
(cross-counts)from rich to lean and vice-versa. The only time you should see
a constant rich condition is with a hard acceleration (makes sense though).

NOTA BENE #2: Do not ground out your wire with the key ON, because the
computer will see a lean condition and it will try to richen the 'alleged
lean' mixture. This will not benefit the performance of the engine, it's
been tried many times. What this will do is flood the engine - after all you
probably never saw the O2 signal go to zero volts. This will also accelerate
the degredation of the catalyst. Let's not go into that discussion.

NOTA BENE #3: Do not connect this wire to any voltage source, unless you
want to meet your friendly Ford parts dealer for a new PCM.

This method of monitoring the oxygen sensor is probably the best starting
point when troubleshooting a given situation. This will tell you if the fuel
system is starving for fuel or getting too much without a doubt. Glad
someone asked, I hope this helps you. Now you know first hand why good
efficient mechanics must now also be technicians/diagnosticians. All of this
information is available in Service manuals and other books.

I know low fuel pressure (clogged fuel filter, defective pump) will cause a
lean condition.It will/should also activate the "Check Engine" light and
store a code in the computer.
High pressure should cause a rich idle condition and in my opinion should
store a code and activate the light too. I have never seen this myself so I
can't confirm that.
As far as fixing a lean condition with EFI, this is usually attributed to
the ancient saying so common with electronically controlled systems,
"garbage in, garbage out".

I have experienced such a situation on a Ford several years back.
Transmission work had just been done on the truck when the condition
started. Apparently somebody neglected to put back the ground straps. The
computer reference point (ground) was shifted such that many signals were
reporting false readings, but just a tiny bit off.
The point is that the Oxygen sensor is a tiny signal (between 0.0 and 0.95
Volts) and that was enough to throw the mixtures to the rich side. No codes,
all systems were checking okay, O2 sensor was toggling, the PCM was happy
but the driver was not. A 5 gas analyzer showed a rich bias. Hmmm, that got
us thinking. Got a digital meter between the various grounds (chasis, B-,
harness...) and there was a small difference! Made some quick jumpers
between the ground and a whole new personality was generated. I can't claim
credit for having found that problem, but enjoyed the puzzle.

Sorry for the large bandwith usage.

Ken, it sounds like Peggy's grandfather was Real man.

Phred KD5AQB
'95 F-150 4X4, 5.0L, 5-speed. 171K miles.



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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Re: propane info please
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:57:21 -0700


Mason wrote;

hey guys, im getting bits and pieces of what a propane
conversion is , but
what i need is some complete info cut and dry .i have a
f-250 4x4 w/351w and
towing i only get 7 miles to the gallon with the fuel
injection system. any
guidance and direction would be greatly appreciated.
mason dixon
n.y. highlands
Howdy mason,

How far are you from Tinton falls NJ? There is a guy by the name of 'Ray'
that works for Propane Equipment (723) 747-3795. Can't think of anyone else
that I would recommend in your area. We have people right in NY, but you
have my email address, and I don't want to send you anywhere near those
guys, if you catch my drift.

Ray is a good guy that I have worked with over the years, never met him in
person, but we've had many phone converstaions regarding systems
diagnostics, applications etc... I would trust his work.

He knows what works, has a lot of experience with IMPCO systems, but ask
him about Technocarb systems. I'm curious to see what he would say. Do ask
him if he knows the whereabouts of any used tanks.

Take care,

Phred

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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:40:44 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: F350 five speed tranny?

>Listers,
>
>I have a 1985 F350 4x4, 460, 4spd (T18) w/ 4.10 gears. Was wondering if
>ford offered a 5 spd tranny as an option back then? Looking to lower
>rpms at highway speeds. Also looking for an economical solution.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Andy
>

Maybe the ZF 5 speed would fit - it should - but I doubt it would save
enough to pay for the switch. It is not as heavy duty of tranny as what you
have now and I think it is too high geared in 1st and reverse. Certainly
not as bad as the weak Mazda 5 speed used in the half tons.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."



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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:43:44 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: Vacuum

With a carburetor, the vacuum itself is what holds the engine speed down to
idle (lack of fuel/air). Opening up a vacuum leak is like opening the
throttle a little more.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."



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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:45:27 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: Heater Core

>Not to long ago I changed one in my uncle's 89 F150 with a 302. I popped out
>the glove compartment lid. This gave me easy access to the heater core
>compartment. There is a few screws that hold the lid on, remove them, and
>unhook the hoses and the heater core pops right out. The entire job didn't
>probably only took 20 minutes.
>

This, and pulling out the radio, is one of the few improvements in this
style truck over the late 70s Fords.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."



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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:48:51 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: Gas prices

>Gas prices are ridiculous in Oklahoma City! This time last year, I was
>paying 69-70 cents per gallon, and that's NO JOKE! It cost me around $25 to
>fill BOTH tanks. Last week I filled up at the herendous price of $1.27 and
>it cost me $46 to fill both tanks! I am having to budget my money even more
>now! Those idiots that control the price need to come up off it! I get
>around 12-13 in town and around 16-18 on the highway, but still! My truck
>has 217,000 miles on it, and still going!

The prices are not controlled. They go by supply and demand. I am certain
the price will come down in the near future.

The A-rabs certainly don't want to keep the price up long enough for all
the American oilfields to go back into big production - that would mean big
competition for them.

Prices last year were exceptionally low - considering inflation, cheaper
than anytime since the great depression. So you can't compare prices right
now with last year.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."



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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:54:15 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: Let's have some fun!

>Blake wrote;
>
> Is there anyway to know whether it is running lean with fuel
>injection? How
> can it be fixed if it is?
> Will high or low fuel pressure cause leaness?
>
> Yes, and its easy and reliable (or as reliable as your work can be). Locate
>the Oxygen sensor signal wire, typically a Grey/blue stipped wire. The
>sensor itself will usually have two White wires (these are the heater

Thanks Fred.... I almost missed this one as the subject was changed!


Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."



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From: "Jeff Fairbairn" cyberus.ca>
Subject: Daystar lift/leveling block
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:43:43 -0500

Has anyone ever used Daystar lift/level blocks under the front coils of a
F-150? I want to lift the front up and add springs to the rear but do they
mess up your alignment?


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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:51:06 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: Let's have some fun!

Phred,

Thanks for that reply! This is great information!


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."



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From: "Robert Werner" postmaster.co.uk>
Subject: There's hope for the old beast yet!
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:14:50 +0000

I drive a 91 F-150 XLT Lariat 4x4 300 six, and I do a lot of complaining about her mostly to my dad, the owner. The power steering pump groans ( common, minor problem as I understand it), the transmission ( I think) whines above 2600 rpms, the performance is bad ( I got beat by an 88 Saab 4cyl, tops out at 87, but I never drive that fast; I think maybe the catalytic converters might be givin me trouble), and I could go on with minor little stuff. Anyways, My dad's probably gonna buy a new 1/2 ton, so when the possibility of selling my first car came around, I found I have grown attached. So, if you'll bear with my long post, I was wondering:

1. Can I fix the power steering pump cheap?

2. Should I keep the EFI, but I would much rather go to a carb ( less evil electronic stuff buggin me that I can't fix)

3. Hhow can I get more power from the old girl? I thought maybe headers, or gettin rid or that EFI.

4. I want to put just a 4inch lift on her, Could I fit 33 inch tires that way? ( stock 29's just too small, bald)

Well thanks in advance for not killin me for such a long post, and any advice you can give me.
Robert The Sand Rat

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From: "Jim Flinchbaugh" onyx.digisys.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:15:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Gas prices


well as for gas prices they hit 1.63 here in NW montana today. And
they will continue to go up. These price hikes are a direct result of
the Clinton/Gore administration and the EPA who have effectively
tied the hands of oil producers in this country. Since we are no
longer allowed to manufacture oil products (they way we should be
able to ) due to EPA regulations imposed by these two boobs we
now are almost totaly reliant on oil from other countries and at the
mercy of the sand maggots. Think about this as you stand in your
polling booth in the near future and vote accordingly. Sorry for the
sermon but I call 'em like I see 'em
Jim Flinchbaugh
87 F150 5.0 4bbl 4x4
81 Buick Regal 6.6 4bbl
82 Honda CX500
82 Honda XL500

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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:16:43 EST
Subject: Re: Gas prices

In a message dated 2/28/00 9:24:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
flyrodonyx.digisys.net writes:

<< Sorry for the
sermon but I call 'em like I see 'em >>
HEAR HEAR!!!!!
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC

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From: "Mike" email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Gas prices
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:40:06 -0700


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Flinchbaugh onyx.digisys.net>
To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Gas prices


:
:well as for gas prices they hit 1.63 here in NW montana today. And
:they will continue to go up. These price hikes are a direct result of
:the Clinton/Gore administration and the EPA who have effectively
:tied the hands of oil producers in this country. Since we are no
:longer allowed to manufacture oil products (they way we should be
:able to ) due to EPA regulations imposed by these two boobs we
:now are almost totaly reliant on oil from other countries and at the
:mercy of the sand maggots. Think about this as you stand in your
:polling booth in the near future and vote accordingly. Sorry for the
:sermon but I call 'em like I see 'em
: Jim Flinchbaugh


"Only" $1.49 dor diesel and $1.42 for RU in Drummond, MT

mike
85 F250 x cab 4x4 6.9l with banks turbo



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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:56:11 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: There's hope for the old beast yet!



Robert Werner wrote:

> I drive a 91 F-150 XLT Lariat 4x4 300 six, and I do a lot of complaining about her mostly to my dad, the owner. The power steering pump groans ( common, minor problem as I understand it), the transmission ( I think) whines above 2600 rpms, the performance is bad ( I got beat by an 88 Saab 4cyl, tops out at 87, but I never drive that fast; I think maybe the catalytic converters might be givin me trouble), and I could go on with minor little stuff. Anyways, My dad's probably gonna buy a new 1/2 ton, so when the possibility of selling my first car came around, I found I have grown attached. So, if you'll bear with my long post, I was wondering:
>
> 1. Can I fix the power steering pump cheap?

Have you ever found a cheap fix to be a good one? Get a good PS pump, if you are going to bigger tires, look into an AGR pump. They are a little more, but the groaning stops.

>
>
> 2. Should I keep the EFI, but I would much rather go to a carb ( less evil electronic stuff buggin me that I can't fix)

It's going to be more headaches than it's worth to do away with the EFI.

>
>
> 3. Hhow can I get more power from the old girl? I thought maybe headers, or gettin rid or that EFI.

If the EFI is doing it's job, the headers will compliment it nicely.

>
>
> 4. I want to put just a 4inch lift on her, Could I fit 33 inch tires that way? ( stock 29's just too small, bald)

A 4" lift will let you run 33s easily.

>
>
> Well thanks in advance for not killin me for such a long post, and any advice you can give me.
> Robert The Sand Rat
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From: apowellezlink.com
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:28:51 -0700
Subject: Propane Option

I worked for years in Texas...and the grand and benevolent state decided a
few years back that all state vehicles MUST be equipped with propane option.
No choice, you had to pay for the vehicle and another $1200 or more for the
conversion.

The result was a vehicle which could be driven on gasoline or on propane by
flipping a switch on the dashboard. So the conversion is available, it does
work, and it's not a one-way street. You preserve your fuel options.

BUT - who wants to spend $1200 to $1500 on this? That would buy a whole
lot of gas. Propane is terribly hard to find, is less energy efficient than gas
and as a result won't take you very far on a tank, and it costs money too. I
haven't run the numbers but I'd bet that the break-even point for this
conversion is many tens of thousands of miles down the road.

In the meantime you have more parts to break, and you have to figure out
WHERE to put the propane tank. Want it in the bed? Kiss your cargo room
goodbye, especially if you have a short bed. Want it under the truck? Kiss
driving off roads goodbye.

As for me, I really resented being forced to drive vehicles with propane tanks
installed in places I didn't want. In passenger vehicles and vans, most were
under the vehicle in the back. Maybe the TANKS are stout, but what about the
fittings??? I figured on good rear-ender and I could end up with a free trip to
the moon. I have NEVER seen a crash test on a vehicle with a propane tank
involved. I will believe they're safe when a manufacturer equips the vehicle
with propane and does a thorough series of crash tests with direct impact on
the tank. Until then, I feel that the only result of having a propane tank on
board - anywhere at all - is that I have made the vehicle less safe.

Oh - by the way - in Texas, we drove the state cars on propane once only, till
the tank was empty. Then we drove it on gas the rest of its service life. (An
empty propane tank weighs less and has less potentially explosive material,
and no one ever wanted to hunt the boondocks for a filling site.) Total d**n
waste of money. Think of it - TX spends $1200 (per conversion) times
thousands and thousands of state-purchased vehicles a year! And it's money
straight down the tubes.

So I sure wouldn't recommend pursuing the propane option too far unless you
have a "point of honor" to make.
__
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1990 Audi 200
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