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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 80-96-list); Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:26:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:26:12 -0500 (EST) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 80-96-list digest users Reply-to: 80-96-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 80-96-list Digest V2000 #20 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 80-96-list Digest Sun, 27 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 020 In This Issue: Gas prices Re: Engine/tranny replacement F350 five speed tranny? Re: Propane and Natural Gas Re: Apology Re: Vacuum Update: Water in Air Cleaner on 300 I-6 Re: Engine/tranny replacement Re: Apology Double E-Mails Re: Vacuum Heater Core Re: Heater Core Re: Gas prices Re: Update: Water in Air Cleaner on 300 I-6 Re: Vacuum Re: Vacuum Re: F350 five speed tranny? Re: Vacuum Re: 101 things to do with Propane in a Ford Let's have some fun! Re: propane info please Re: F350 five speed tranny? Re: Vacuum Re: Heater Core Re: Gas prices Re: Let's have some fun! Daystar lift/leveling block Re: Let's have some fun! There's hope for the old beast yet! Re: Gas prices Re: Gas prices Re: Gas prices Re: There's hope for the old beast yet! Propane Option ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: apowell ezlink.com Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:33:22 -0700 Subject: Gas prices Gas prices are high in Colorado, too - about $1.54 a gallon. But I knew my 93 f-150 would be a gas hog when I bought it. No plans to park it, no plans to argue with the 10 mpg I get in my mostly in-town driving. I've never had a full size pickup that got over 15 mpg, even on a straight highway cruise at moderate speeds. Our gas is still dirt cheap compared to most places in the world. When I get a new power steering rack into the 280ZX turbo, I'll go back to driving it and stay that way until fall - but I'll stick with the truck for now. I figure that if I park the truck with its snow tires and 4wd, we'll immediately get 2 feet of snow....and than I'd manage to stack the Z into something hard and unyielding. Ack. Hmmm. We need moisture around here...washing the truck didn't bring rain... maybe parking it would bring snow..... __ ++++++++++++++++++++WSU-CSU+++++++++++++++++ Al Powell Apowell EZlink.com 1958 Fiat 1200 Spyder "Transformabile" 1983 Datsun 280ZXT 1990 Audi 200 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ezlink.com/~powells/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:38:37 -0800 From: Bob Kennedy Subject: Re: Engine/tranny replacement John H Fleming wrote: > OK, it's time. I gotta replace my engine/trans. '86 F150 5L, AOD. 204,500 > miles and it's tired and leaks. Funny thing though, it still passes > California smog with flying colors. > > What about a crate engine? Anybody swapped in a 351? I friend has just performed this on a '90 Bronco. The engine will require another flywheel. The transmission will bolt up just fine. The EFI components, injectors, harness, rail etc, will work just fine. The intake itself will not work, the valley is wider on a 351. You'll need to swap a couple of injectors to match the change in firing order. Some of the attachments, power steering, alternator, air pump, etc, may not match up bracket-wise. > Does the tranny bolt > up OK? Will the EFI work without major tinkering? > > Advice welcome. > > John > > Bob -- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/cgi-bin/sf.cgi?uid=default&vr2=1&ID=311 86XLT/5.0/AOD/8.8/D44 4.56 Detroit/EZ, 36x12.50x16.5, 6"/0" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:51:57 -0700 From: Andrew Antipas Subject: F350 five speed tranny? Listers, I have a 1985 F350 4x4, 460, 4spd (T18) w/ 4.10 gears. Was wondering if ford offered a 5 spd tranny as an option back then? Looking to lower rpms at highway speeds. Also looking for an economical solution. Thanks! Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:05:29 -0800 From: Chris McKinnon Subject: Re: Propane and Natural Gas >All LPG/Propane tanks, must be inspected and tested every 10 years, no ifs or >butts. Part of the annual inspection process is to check the date stamp on the >tank. One of the advantages of a dual tank install is you can have one tested >(a couple of days) and still use the truck. I'd better check up on this. >When you windsor starts to 'wrun wraggard', are you going to build your own >11.1 c/r propane special ??? Phred will probably drop on me from a great height >for suggesting such a thing...;-)) and we haven't started talking about the >turbos ..... I'm having fun in a Ford on LPG .... Well I hate to encourage you but the idea HAD crossed my mind... One of my buddies has a Talon that he is playing with. He changed out the turbo ect. Sometimes I have to work hard to forgive him for driving a D*dge. Chris '84 F150 w/ original rust! 351W on propane NP 435 NP 208 288K Km ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:00:17 +1100 From: les williams Subject: Re: Apology Hi Ken, First, may I offer my sympathies over the loss of your loved one. It helps to remind me that I too am not immortal, even if I do drive a Ford..... Second, that virus, Is it 'Pretty Park' or is this another, 'South Park'? If it's Pretty Park, then I'm suprised that you only had one hit. I am only on one other list and it went thru like a dose of salts, IF you opened the attachment. It appeared to then have a life of it's own, crediting a list member in Zaire as the culprit. This went on for 6 days with the virus being reposted every 6 hours from Zaire. The point is that the list member was not aware of the problem, and couldn't understand why e-mail 'bombs' were being posted back to him, by the more radical fringe dwellers of the group. Out of just under 2000 subscribers, not all virus checkers were catching it all the time. My policy was to immediately delete anything with 'Park' on the subject line. Your first post on the 'Park' almost went the same way. On reading it I had a feeling of 'But for the grace of God, there go I....' after learning what I had about 'Pretty Park',on the mug group. Thank You regards Les Lost in the Land of OZ Ken Payne wrote: > I owe Phil Jern a public apology for blasting him about > the South Park virus last week. I made the comments in > public and therefore need to eat crow in public. > > My stress level has been enormous lately and I'm afraid > I haven't treated a few people with the common decency > they deserve. No harm was done since Listar stripped > the attachment and I should have discussed it privately > with Phil. > > Sincerely, > Ken Payne > Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts > ------------------------------ From: BanksRVA aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:34:23 EST Subject: Re: Vacuum Hey folks, Quick question here. After playing with my engine the other day (300 I-6), I noticed if I pulled one of the vacuum caps off the intake manifold, the idle went up. I thought the idle would go down because of the vacuum leak. Anyone know what's up with this? Joe ------------------------------ From: MRStace84 aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:37:21 EST Subject: Update: Water in Air Cleaner on 300 I-6 Hello List, Last week I had posted that I was finding water/ condesation in my air cleaner on my 84 300 I6. Some of you all suggested changing the thermostat. I did that last week, and drove the truck some this weekend. The good news is I'm am not finding water in the aircleaner now, but oil. Sounds like the rings are heading South to me. I don't know if changing the thermostat changed this or if it was just coincidence. I put a 195 in it, but I'm sure that what my old one was. Stacy 84 F150 4x4 98 Ranger XLT 4x4 ------------------------------ From: slikness mindspring.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:42:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Engine/tranny replacement I swapped in a 351W for my 300 I6 in my '82. I can't tell you much about the EFI except that you can't swap intakes from the 5.0 to the 351W. The 351W is wider. Your tranny and motor mounts will match right up though and you can transfer your front mounted accessories (power steering, A/C, altenator) with the purchase of a one special adapter from Ford Motorsports. I would definately go crate, especially swapping from a 302 to 351W. If you go like for like, then a long block would be the ticket and swap all your other components from the old 302. Oh, and the flexplates are balanced different so don't use your 302 flexplate on the 351W. Good luck, Slik > OK, it's time. I gotta replace my engine/trans. '86 F150 5L, AOD. 204,500 miles... What about a crate engine? Anybody swapped in a 351? Does the tranny bolt up OK? Will the EFI work without major tinkering? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:47:35 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Apology At 08:00 PM 2/28/00 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Ken, > >First, may I offer my sympathies over the loss of your loved one. It >helps to remind me that I too am not immortal, even if I do drive a >Ford..... Thank you. >Second, that virus, Is it 'Pretty Park' or is this another, 'South >Park'? It's listed as both, but they are the same virus. >If it's Pretty Park, then I'm suprised that you only had one hit. I am >only on one other list and it went thru like a dose of salts, IF you >opened the attachment. It appeared to then have a life of it's own, >crediting a list member in Zaire as the culprit. This went on for 6 days >with the virus being reposted every 6 hours from Zaire. You were lucky. The virus usually does it every 30 minutes. Good thing his computer wasn't on-line all the time. >The point is >that the list member was not aware of the problem, and couldn't >understand why e-mail 'bombs' were being posted back to him, by the >more radical fringe dwellers of the group. >Out of just under 2000 subscribers, not all virus checkers were catching >it all the time. My policy was to immediately delete anything with >'Park' on the subject line. Your first post on the 'Park' almost went >the same way. On reading it I had a feeling of 'But for the grace of >God, there go I....' after learning what I had about 'Pretty Park',on >the mug group. >Thank You > >regards >Les >Lost in the Land of OZ That's why I have the list server filter out attachments. Sometimes a list member has complained because they wanted to sent out a picture to the members, but once you open up the list to attachments, bad things can happen ---- plus imagine the server load sending a 100k file to all the members! :-) Ken ------------------------------ From: "Chapman, David P" Subject: Double E-Mails Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:46:50 -0500 For the last week or two, I've been getting two copies of each e-mail sent from the list. Is anyone else having this problem? Dave 95 Bronco ------------------------------ From: MRStace84 aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:26:03 EST Subject: Re: Vacuum In a message dated 2/28/00 8:37:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, BanksRVA aol.com writes: << Hey folks, Quick question here. After playing with my engine the other day (300 I-6), I noticed if I pulled one of the vacuum caps off the intake manifold, the idle went up. I thought the idle would go down because of the vacuum leak. Anyone know what's up with this? Joe >> I had the same problem with my 300 I-6 about a week ago. Your air/ fuel adjustement isn't right. I'm still playing with mine trying to get it right, but your truck is proably running too rich right now (mine was). Right now I have my air/ fuel adjustement screen turned all the way in, and when I pull off a vaccum line, the idle get really rough. Stacy 84 F150 4x4 98 Ranger XLT 4x4 ------------------------------ From: "Latham, Wayne M" Subject: Heater Core Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:33:00 -0600 What's involved in replacing the heater core on a '88 F150 w/ I6? Do you have to pull out the dash or can I get to it through the glove compartment? Wayne in VA ------------------------------ From: MRStace84 aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:52:10 EST Subject: Re: Heater Core In a message dated 2/28/00 9:44:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, Wayne.M.Latham mcdermott.com writes: << What's involved in replacing the heater core on a '88 F150 w/ I6? Do you have to pull out the dash or can I get to it through the glove compartment? Wayne in VA >> Not to long ago I changed one in my uncle's 89 F150 with a 302. I popped out the glove compartment lid. This gave me easy access to the heater core compartment. There is a few screws that hold the lid on, remove them, and unhook the hoses and the heater core pops right out. The entire job didn't probably only took 20 minutes. Stacy 84 F150 4x4 98 Ranger XLT 4x4 ------------------------------ From: "Moore, Jimmy" Subject: Re: Gas prices Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:10:01 -0600 Gas prices are ridiculous in Oklahoma City! This time last year, I was paying 69-70 cents per gallon, and that's NO JOKE! It cost me around $25 to fill BOTH tanks. Last week I filled up at the herendous price of $1.27 and it cost me $46 to fill both tanks! I am having to budget my money even more now! Those idiots that control the price need to come up off it! I get around 12-13 in town and around 16-18 on the highway, but still! My truck has 217,000 miles on it, and still going! It just cost me $240 to have the frame straightened, and it's costing me another $200 to have the front end aligned today! I've had the sucker for pert near three years, and I wouldn't trade it for nothing! Next, I'll have to fork out some money for a front bumper! In case anyone hasn't figured it out, I wrecked the front end by hitting MY front porch, in the snow, and running over a tree stump that was in front of the porch. The stump crushed my front frame brace, and pulled in my frame, and bent my radial arms. The porch destroyed my bumper and drivers side quarter panel. I still need one of those, too! I got the idle adjusted, and the flooding was the automatic choke, which was 90 degrees out of whack. Now, I can feel a "miss" in it, but I think that is the plug wires. When I touch the distributor cap with the motor running, it shocks the hell out of me! So I THINK that's where the miss is coming from. I'll change those out later this week. I do have a question. My inside signal for turning, the one in the dash. Sometimes it flashes, and sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't seem to be related to when the lights are on or anything. Probably not a fuse, but possibly a relay? -----Original Message----- From: apowell ezlink.com [mailto:apowellezlink.com]Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:33 PM To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.comSubject: [80-96-list] Gas prices Gas prices are high in Colorado, too - about $1.54 a gallon. But I knew my 93 f-150 would be a gas hog when I bought it. No plans to park it, no plans to argue with the 10 mpg I get in my mostly in-town driving. I've never had a full size pickup that got over 15 mpg, even on a straight highway cruise at moderate speeds. Our gas is still dirt cheap compared to most places in the world. When I get a new power steering rack into the 280ZX turbo, I'll go back to driving it and stay that way until fall - but I'll stick with the truck for now. I figure that if I park the truck with its snow tires and 4wd, we'll immediately get 2 feet of snow....and than I'd manage to stack the Z into something hard and unyielding. Ack. Hmmm. We need moisture around here...washing the truck didn't bring rain... maybe parking it would bring snow..... __ ++++++++++++++++++++WSU-CSU+++++++++++++++++ Al Powell Apowell EZlink.com1958 Fiat 1200 Spyder "Transformabile" 1983 Datsun 280ZXT 1990 Audi 200 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ezlink.com/~powells/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com withthe words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ From: Mike Persell Subject: Re: Update: Water in Air Cleaner on 300 I-6 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:44:50 -0600 If the oil that was showing the moisture is still in the engine try changing out the contaminated oil too. It may only be a minor slowdown in truly bad ring but it could also put fresh oil at the right temperature and let the rings cycle the way they're supposed to. Mike On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, you wrote: > Hello List, > > Last week I had posted that I was finding water/ condesation in my air > cleaner on my 84 300 I6. Some of you all suggested changing the thermostat. > I did that last week, and drove the truck some this weekend. The good news > is I'm am not finding water in the aircleaner now, but oil. Sounds like the > rings are heading South to me. I don't know if changing the thermostat > changed this or if it was just coincidence. I put a 195 in it, but I'm sure > that what my old one was. > > Stacy > 84 F150 4x4 > 98 Ranger XLT 4x4 > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the body of the > message. ------------------------------ From: BanksRVA aol.comDate: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:12:15 EST Subject: Re: Vacuum In a message dated 2/28/00 9:27:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, MRStace84 aol.com writes:<< noticed if I pulled one of the vacuum caps off the intake manifold, the idle went up. I thought the idle would go down because of the vacuum leak. Anyone know what's up with this? Joe >> I had the same problem with my 300 I-6 about a week ago. Your air/ fuel adjustement isn't right. I'm still playing with mine trying to get it right, but your truck is proably running too rich right now >> The thing is, I set the mixture with a vacuum guage, that's what has me confused. Joe ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: Vacuum Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:56:44 -0500 Up to the point of "lean miss" the engine will aways run faster at the same throttle setting, unloaded, if you lean it out which is what happens when you pull a vac line and don't plug it. Using a vac gauge works but you need one with a pretty large face on it to do a better job than by ear IMHO. An accurate tach does the same thing, measures speed and thus mixture. The vac gauge won't measure mixture or speed directly but actually measures throttle opening which at a given speed is a measure of the mixture to some extent. Essentially, at idle, you want the leanest mixture it will run well on and that equates to the fastest speed for any given throttle opening so the vac gauge works for this but so does a tach or your ear. Lean idle does several good things and one bad thing depending in the carb you have which is also where ported vs manifold timing comes into play. Leaner means cleaner plugs, warmer cylinder temps to maintain engine temp and better economy but it also may mean the engine starves just off of idle due to insufficiend transition circuitry like many Holleys do. They rely on the accellerator pump and power valve to augment the transition so can be touchy to get tuned right in that very important area of operation. Manifold vac timing: leanest mixture and most advance for smooth idle Ported vac timing: richest mixture and least advance for a smooth idle Some carbs and engine combos like one better than the other for best off idle transition so it if stumbles off idle then you may want to tune it the other way instead to see if it improves. -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- > noticed if I pulled one of the vacuum caps off the intake >manifold, the >idle > went up. I thought the idle would go down because of the >vacuum leak. ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: F350 five speed tranny? Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:35:50 -0500 Only one ford used was the ZF which has an integral aluminum housing with criss/cross ribbs on the outside which are very distinct. There were two versions, 547 and 542 and both work with the BW1345 or 56 xfer cases. It uses ATF though and is not considered an especially good transmission for durability. Others can be adapted using Advance Adapter kits. -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >I have a 1985 F350 4x4, 460, 4spd (T18) w/ 4.10 gears. Was wondering if >ford offered a 5 spd tranny as an option back then? Looking to lower >rpms at highway speeds. Also looking for an economical solution. ------------------------------ From: BanksRVA aol.comDate: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:27:21 EST Subject: Re: Vacuum Thanks Gary Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:47:18 +1100 From: les williams Subject: Re: 101 things to do with Propane in a Ford Hi Chris, My comments regarding tanks and testing was relevant to OZ only. I wasn't meaning to worry you, however I would be curious as to the situation up there, and is USA similar? >Well I hate to encourage you but the idea HAD crossed my mind... Thanks heaps, Mate. - Some people may suggest that the last thing I need is encouragement. The reason for my jubilation over Propane is that for several years now, the smog laws have discouraged any real freedom, and whatever you do must ultimately pass a smog test somewhere. Propane is an all *new ballgame and since most people don't have a clue as to what is going on (take this list for instance) they can't say 'no' cause they don't understand the concept so they can't question what we're up to & we can have fun again, and you wouldn't say 'no' to having fun ? *Actually mass produced otto cycle vertical stationary engines running on town gas were being built in 1884 by the Crossley Bros of the UK. This is not necessarily the first, but shows how long the 'gas' concept has been around. regards Les Lost in the Land of OZ ------------------------------ From: Fred Moreno Subject: Let's have some fun! Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:01:25 -0700 Blake wrote; Is there anyway to know whether it is running lean with fuel injection? How can it be fixed if it is? Will high or low fuel pressure cause leaness? Yes, and its easy and reliable (or as reliable as your work can be). Locate the Oxygen sensor signal wire, typically a Grey/blue stipped wire. The sensor itself will usually have two White wires (these are the heater wires),a Grey wire (Sensor Ground), and a Black wire which is your signal wire. Follow it beyond the connector and it should typically be the Grey/Blue OEM wire. Do not tap into the actual sensor wires themselves, because they have some sort of Teflon coating for insulation. For most of your F-150/250/350 series trucks this Gray/blue Oxygen sensor wire can be found in a easy location. Here goes; Open hood, belt buckle up against Ford Logo, put right hand on radiator cap. Slide your hand back to about an inch and then another inch or so away from you. Reaching under the more or less flat piece of metal your hand is resting you will see a thick wrapped OEM harness passing in front of the radiator and running towards the driver's headlight assembly (Oz people this would be the passenger headlight-assuming many constants!!). Inside this wrapped up wire harness is the Grey/blue wire that is the Oxygen sensor wire. Another location for this wire is right off the PCM connector. Our computers are located deep down in the firewall in the far corner against the drivers side wheel well. Find the darkest spot possible and that's it. Disconnect battery negative, then go to the PCM connector, remove the 10mm bolt that holds it in place, and remove connector. It is about 1 inch wide, by about 5 inches long with a bunch of wires. Locate pin # 29 if you have a regular MPFI (non SEFI). SEFI people you have two oxygen sensors, one for each side of the engine. Pin # 44 is one side and it is also Grey/blue, sorry but I don't have the literature in front of me to recall where bank #2 is located but I beieve it is a Red/blk. NOTA BENE: Count pin locations, not the number of wire. In the smallest possible font Ford could find, you will see the reference numbers molded into each end of the connector, one end will have 1,21,41 and the other end will have 20,40,and 60. Anyways, once the oxygen sensor wire is located, tap/solder into it with a wire long enough to run into the cab. Connect your digital volt meter to (DC Volts). Find a GOOD ground connection under the dash, preferable one that the OEM harness uses. You are going to be observing a small signal less than 1 Volt DC. A voltage between 0.0V and 0.45 Volts indicates a lean condition. Consequently, a voltage between 0.45 Volts and 0.95 Volts indicates a rich condition. Once the first 30 seconds of engine operation has elapsed, you should monitor a lean condition, this is because your air pumps are saturating the Oxygen sensor signal. The air pumps are adding oxygen into the exhaust to assist the quick light-off of the catalytic converter. After 1 or 2 minutes air pumps go off, and you should see a constantly toggling signal that is always changing between righ and lean conditions. Go for a drive, be careful don't stare at the digital voltmeter and cause an accident! Under normal driving you will see the constant crossing over (cross-counts)from rich to lean and vice-versa. The only time you should see a constant rich condition is with a hard acceleration (makes sense though). NOTA BENE #2: Do not ground out your wire with the key ON, because the computer will see a lean condition and it will try to richen the 'alleged lean' mixture. This will not benefit the performance of the engine, it's been tried many times. What this will do is flood the engine - after all you probably never saw the O2 signal go to zero volts. This will also accelerate the degredation of the catalyst. Let's not go into that discussion. NOTA BENE #3: Do not connect this wire to any voltage source, unless you want to meet your friendly Ford parts dealer for a new PCM. This method of monitoring the oxygen sensor is probably the best starting point when troubleshooting a given situation. This will tell you if the fuel system is starving for fuel or getting too much without a doubt. Glad someone asked, I hope this helps you. Now you know first hand why good efficient mechanics must now also be technicians/diagnosticians. All of this information is available in Service manuals and other books. I know low fuel pressure (clogged fuel filter, defective pump) will cause a lean condition.It will/should also activate the "Check Engine" light and store a code in the computer. High pressure should cause a rich idle condition and in my opinion should store a code and activate the light too. I have never seen this myself so I can't confirm that. As far as fixing a lean condition with EFI, this is usually attributed to the ancient saying so common with electronically controlled systems, "garbage in, garbage out". I have experienced such a situation on a Ford several years back. Transmission work had just been done on the truck when the condition started. Apparently somebody neglected to put back the ground straps. The computer reference point (ground) was shifted such that many signals were reporting false readings, but just a tiny bit off. The point is that the Oxygen sensor is a tiny signal (between 0.0 and 0.95 Volts) and that was enough to throw the mixtures to the rich side. No codes, all systems were checking okay, O2 sensor was toggling, the PCM was happy but the driver was not. A 5 gas analyzer showed a rich bias. Hmmm, that got us thinking. Got a digital meter between the various grounds (chasis, B-, harness...) and there was a small difference! Made some quick jumpers between the ground and a whole new personality was generated. I can't claim credit for having found that problem, but enjoyed the puzzle. Sorry for the large bandwith usage. Ken, it sounds like Peggy's grandfather was Real man. Phred KD5AQB '95 F-150 4X4, 5.0L, 5-speed. 171K miles. ------------------------------ From: Fred Moreno Subject: Re: propane info please Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:57:21 -0700 Mason wrote; hey guys, im getting bits and pieces of what a propane conversion is , but what i need is some complete info cut and dry .i have a f-250 4x4 w/351w and towing i only get 7 miles to the gallon with the fuel injection system. any guidance and direction would be greatly appreciated. mason dixon n.y. highlands Howdy mason, How far are you from Tinton falls NJ? There is a guy by the name of 'Ray' that works for Propane Equipment (723) 747-3795. Can't think of anyone else that I would recommend in your area. We have people right in NY, but you have my email address, and I don't want to send you anywhere near those guys, if you catch my drift. Ray is a good guy that I have worked with over the years, never met him in person, but we've had many phone converstaions regarding systems diagnostics, applications etc... I would trust his work. He knows what works, has a lot of experience with IMPCO systems, but ask him about Technocarb systems. I'm curious to see what he would say. Do ask him if he knows the whereabouts of any used tanks. Take care, Phred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:40:44 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: F350 five speed tranny? >Listers, > >I have a 1985 F350 4x4, 460, 4spd (T18) w/ 4.10 gears. Was wondering if >ford offered a 5 spd tranny as an option back then? Looking to lower >rpms at highway speeds. Also looking for an economical solution. > >Thanks! > >Andy > Maybe the ZF 5 speed would fit - it should - but I doubt it would save enough to pay for the switch. It is not as heavy duty of tranny as what you have now and I think it is too high geared in 1st and reverse. Certainly not as bad as the weak Mazda 5 speed used in the half tons. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:43:44 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: Vacuum With a carburetor, the vacuum itself is what holds the engine speed down to idle (lack of fuel/air). Opening up a vacuum leak is like opening the throttle a little more. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:45:27 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: Heater Core >Not to long ago I changed one in my uncle's 89 F150 with a 302. I popped out >the glove compartment lid. This gave me easy access to the heater core >compartment. There is a few screws that hold the lid on, remove them, and >unhook the hoses and the heater core pops right out. The entire job didn't >probably only took 20 minutes. > This, and pulling out the radio, is one of the few improvements in this style truck over the late 70s Fords. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:48:51 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: Gas prices >Gas prices are ridiculous in Oklahoma City! This time last year, I was >paying 69-70 cents per gallon, and that's NO JOKE! It cost me around $25 to >fill BOTH tanks. Last week I filled up at the herendous price of $1.27 and >it cost me $46 to fill both tanks! I am having to budget my money even more >now! Those idiots that control the price need to come up off it! I get >around 12-13 in town and around 16-18 on the highway, but still! My truck >has 217,000 miles on it, and still going! The prices are not controlled. They go by supply and demand. I am certain the price will come down in the near future. The A-rabs certainly don't want to keep the price up long enough for all the American oilfields to go back into big production - that would mean big competition for them. Prices last year were exceptionally low - considering inflation, cheaper than anytime since the great depression. So you can't compare prices right now with last year. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:54:15 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: Let's have some fun! >Blake wrote; > > Is there anyway to know whether it is running lean with fuel >injection? How > can it be fixed if it is? > Will high or low fuel pressure cause leaness? > > Yes, and its easy and reliable (or as reliable as your work can be). Locate >the Oxygen sensor signal wire, typically a Grey/blue stipped wire. The >sensor itself will usually have two White wires (these are the heater Thanks Fred.... I almost missed this one as the subject was changed! Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." ------------------------------ From: "Jeff Fairbairn" Subject: Daystar lift/leveling block Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:43:43 -0500 Has anyone ever used Daystar lift/level blocks under the front coils of a F-150? I want to lift the front up and add springs to the rear but do they mess up your alignment? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:51:06 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: Let's have some fun! Phred, Thanks for that reply! This is great information! Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." ------------------------------ From: "Robert Werner" Subject: There's hope for the old beast yet! Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:14:50 +0000 I drive a 91 F-150 XLT Lariat 4x4 300 six, and I do a lot of complaining about her mostly to my dad, the owner. The power steering pump groans ( common, minor problem as I understand it), the transmission ( I think) whines above 2600 rpms, the performance is bad ( I got beat by an 88 Saab 4cyl, tops out at 87, but I never drive that fast; I think maybe the catalytic converters might be givin me trouble), and I could go on with minor little stuff. Anyways, My dad's probably gonna buy a new 1/2 ton, so when the possibility of selling my first car came around, I found I have grown attached. So, if you'll bear with my long post, I was wondering: 1. Can I fix the power steering pump cheap? 2. Should I keep the EFI, but I would much rather go to a carb ( less evil electronic stuff buggin me that I can't fix) 3. Hhow can I get more power from the old girl? I thought maybe headers, or gettin rid or that EFI. 4. I want to put just a 4inch lift on her, Could I fit 33 inch tires that way? ( stock 29's just too small, bald) Well thanks in advance for not killin me for such a long post, and any advice you can give me. Robert The Sand Rat ------------------------------ From: "Jim Flinchbaugh" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:15:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Gas prices well as for gas prices they hit 1.63 here in NW montana today. And they will continue to go up. These price hikes are a direct result of the Clinton/Gore administration and the EPA who have effectively tied the hands of oil producers in this country. Since we are no longer allowed to manufacture oil products (they way we should be able to ) due to EPA regulations imposed by these two boobs we now are almost totaly reliant on oil from other countries and at the mercy of the sand maggots. Think about this as you stand in your polling booth in the near future and vote accordingly. Sorry for the sermon but I call 'em like I see 'em Jim Flinchbaugh 87 F150 5.0 4bbl 4x4 81 Buick Regal 6.6 4bbl 82 Honda CX500 82 Honda XL500 ------------------------------ From: FLR150 aol.comDate: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:16:43 EST Subject: Re: Gas prices In a message dated 2/28/00 9:24:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrod onyx.digisys.net writes:<< Sorry for the sermon but I call 'em like I see 'em >> HEAR HEAR!!!!! Later Wayne Foy '94 Flareside SC ------------------------------ From: "Mike" Subject: Re: Gas prices Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:40:06 -0700 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Flinchbaugh To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com <80-96-listford-trucks.com>Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 7:25 PM Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Gas prices : :well as for gas prices they hit 1.63 here in NW montana today. And :they will continue to go up. These price hikes are a direct result of :the Clinton/Gore administration and the EPA who have effectively :tied the hands of oil producers in this country. Since we are no :longer allowed to manufacture oil products (they way we should be :able to ) due to EPA regulations imposed by these two boobs we :now are almost totaly reliant on oil from other countries and at the :mercy of the sand maggots. Think about this as you stand in your :polling booth in the near future and vote accordingly. Sorry for the :sermon but I call 'em like I see 'em : Jim Flinchbaugh "Only" $1.49 dor diesel and $1.42 for RU in Drummond, MT mike 85 F250 x cab 4x4 6.9l with banks turbo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:56:11 -0800 From: Bob Kennedy Subject: Re: There's hope for the old beast yet! Robert Werner wrote: > I drive a 91 F-150 XLT Lariat 4x4 300 six, and I do a lot of complaining about her mostly to my dad, the owner. The power steering pump groans ( common, minor problem as I understand it), the transmission ( I think) whines above 2600 rpms, the performance is bad ( I got beat by an 88 Saab 4cyl, tops out at 87, but I never drive that fast; I think maybe the catalytic converters might be givin me trouble), and I could go on with minor little stuff. Anyways, My dad's probably gonna buy a new 1/2 ton, so when the possibility of selling my first car came around, I found I have grown attached. So, if you'll bear with my long post, I was wondering: > > 1. Can I fix the power steering pump cheap? Have you ever found a cheap fix to be a good one? Get a good PS pump, if you are going to bigger tires, look into an AGR pump. They are a little more, but the groaning stops. > > > 2. Should I keep the EFI, but I would much rather go to a carb ( less evil electronic stuff buggin me that I can't fix) It's going to be more headaches than it's worth to do away with the EFI. > > > 3. Hhow can I get more power from the old girl? I thought maybe headers, or gettin rid or that EFI. If the EFI is doing it's job, the headers will compliment it nicely. > > > 4. I want to put just a 4inch lift on her, Could I fit 33 inch tires that way? ( stock 29's just too small, bald) A 4" lift will let you run 33s easily. > > > Well thanks in advance for not killin me for such a long post, and any advice you can give me. > Robert The Sand Rat > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the body of the > message. Bob aka Robert J Kennedy Jr. ;-) -- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/cgi-bin/sf.cgi?uid=default&vr2=1&ID=311 86XLT/5.0/AOD/8.8/D44 4.56 Detroit/EZ, 36x12.50x16.5, 6"/0" ------------------------------ From: apowell ezlink.comDate: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:28:51 -0700 Subject: Propane Option I worked for years in Texas...and the grand and benevolent state decided a few years back that all state vehicles MUST be equipped with propane option. No choice, you had to pay for the vehicle and another $1200 or more for the conversion. The result was a vehicle which could be driven on gasoline or on propane by flipping a switch on the dashboard. So the conversion is available, it does work, and it's not a one-way street. You preserve your fuel options. BUT - who wants to spend $1200 to $1500 on this? That would buy a whole lot of gas. Propane is terribly hard to find, is less energy efficient than gas and as a result won't take you very far on a tank, and it costs money too. I haven't run the numbers but I'd bet that the break-even point for this conversion is many tens of thousands of miles down the road. In the meantime you have more parts to break, and you have to figure out WHERE to put the propane tank. Want it in the bed? Kiss your cargo room goodbye, especially if you have a short bed. Want it under the truck? Kiss driving off roads goodbye. As for me, I really resented being forced to drive vehicles with propane tanks installed in places I didn't want. In passenger vehicles and vans, most were under the vehicle in the back. Maybe the TANKS are stout, but what about the fittings??? I figured on good rear-ender and I could end up with a free trip to the moon. I have NEVER seen a crash test on a vehicle with a propane tank involved. I will believe they're safe when a manufacturer equips the vehicle with propane and does a thorough series of crash tests with direct impact on the tank. Until then, I feel that the only result of having a propane tank on board - anywhere at all - is that I have made the vehicle less safe. Oh - by the way - in Texas, we drove the state cars on propane once only, till the tank was empty. Then we drove it on gas the rest of its service life. (An empty propane tank weighs less and has less potentially explosive material, and no one ever wanted to hunt the boondocks for a filling site.) Total d**n waste of money. Think of it - TX spends $1200 (per conversion) times thousands and thousands of state-purchased vehicles a year! And it's money straight down the tubes. So I sure wouldn't recommend pursuing the propane option too far unless you have a "point of honor" to make. __ ++++++++++++++++++++WSU-CSU+++++++++++++++++ Al Powell Apowell EZlink.com1958 Fiat 1200 Spyder "Transformabile" 1983 Datsun 280ZXT 1990 Audi 200 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ezlink.com/~powells/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ End of 80-96-list Digest V2000 #20 ********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Send posts to 80-96-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... 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