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80-96-list Digest Wed, 23 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 016

In This Issue:
Re: Parking It
Re: Parking It
93 Star, impressions...
C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe
Pickup F/S
my 96 F150 is rusting!!!!!!
Re: High Gas Price Solution
Propane, its a gas!
ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family
Towing Capacity
Re: Propane, its a gas!
Re: A few thread answers...Forklifts???
GAS PRICES
Re: '81 F-150 300 Six carb problems
Re: Propane, its a gas!
Re: Pinging
Re: Propane, its a gas!
Re: Parking It
Forklifts...
Pigeon forge events
Reply for sites...
Re: A few thread answers...Forklifts???
Re: Propane, its a gas!

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:51:38 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Parking It

Hi Chris,
And while your at it, convert to Imperal Gallons, well thats what we had before
going metric...
This is all too hard to work out. My best guess is in OZ, we are paying approx
$4.00 a US gallon for ULP .... Ouch!!!

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


Chris McKinnon wrote:

> >Here in OKC, OK I can get 100 lbs. for $30.
> >
> >Jim Moore
> >1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
> >1964 Ford F-100 292
> >Oklahoma City, OK
> >
> >
> Anyone know how to convert from lbs to gallons (or even better litres!) Here
> I'm paying 39.9c/L or about 1.10 US$/USgal. I get about to 10MPG.
> Chris
> Proud to be Canadian (and metric!)
> '84 F150
> 351W on propane


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:51:58 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Parking It

I would guess it to be per US gallon. The ULP is $1.60 or so ?? Hmmmm, I
think you will have to make the call at what price the conversion is
worth doing.

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ

Chuck Sanborn wrote:

> At 08:36 AM 2/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
> >Propane is the biggest problem.
> >What is the price of Propane anyway?
>
> Last I noticed (2 weeks ago) it was $1.10 but I don't recall if that
> was per lb or per gal or what
>
>


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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: 93 Star, impressions...
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:07:25 -0500

well, I finally got the star up on the lift to check it out. Went over the
whole underside and there is no rust anywhere except under the outside edge
of the running boards where I would expect some. No leaks anywhere. Tie
rods and Ujoints seem to be nice and tight but wheel bearings were a tad
loose for my taste. Might stick it up there again this weekend and take
deeper look at that :-) Spare tire (wheel) is all rusty and thought it was
going to be a real bear to get out but turns out there is a cable doflingy
that holds it in and you use the blade end of the lug wrench to unwind it
and let it down.....COOL! :-)

Ball joint grease fittings are right where I can easily get the grease gun,
top and bottom so I don't have to take tires off to grease it and I can even
reach over the top of the tires to get at the plugs if I really want to,
there's that much room in there.....COOL!

Oil filter is on a heavy aluminum extension casting which puts it right next
to the catylitic converter behind the right front wheel and you can reach
right up there and grab it with both hands and not even get your sleeves
dirty.....COOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!!!

It has real shocks all around, no struts....COOL!

Michelin tires in pretty good shape and air was right up to snuff, also very
cool :-)

She handles nice and goes down the road nice but there is the tinyest bit of
wander in it that I was looking for a reason for but found nothing but the
bearings a tad loose. Could have a bound up ball joint or tie rod end (not
greasable on this one) or a little tire wear problem that wasn't evident by
eye. It's not really serious but noticeable under certain conditions,
especially with any wind and of course it has the typical van "wollow" in
turns which us vanners just get used to but it's not as bad as my friends 91
E-150 handycapper with the topper and lift and soft suspension :-) Not a
porche but better than that for sure :-)

Right now my trip meter has it over 15 mpg and still a half a tank left so
the 22 the previous owner stated may well prove true. It seems to be doing
pretty well just by the seat of my britches :-) (better than that stupid 94
bird). Unless I experience any problems with the tranny or engine I expect
you guys will see me at PF this year with the van. I put a portapotti in it
and it has privacy glass all around so you really can't see in there from
the outside. We've already tested it :-) course there's no interior
privacy so you have to love each other to use it on the road :-) Probably
more than you needed or wanted to know.......sorry, but this is why I got
it, so my wife can go places without worrying about......things :-) A motor
home is simply out of the question and she was not happy with the idea of a
full sized van so this was the only choice and I think it was a good one :-)
Down the road I plan to have a topper put on it and hope to have a wheel
chair lift before we go to PF in May.

In case you missed it in my presentation, I'm pretty darned happy with this
van :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:20:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peter T. Arnold" snet.net>
Subject: C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe

Test: Pretty Park.exe :)

Peter T. Arnold


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From: kb9odg.mark juno.com
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:06:55 -0600
Subject: Pickup F/S

I'm forwarding this for someone, please respond to him and not me.

- Mark

--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jason Moyer sunlink.net>
To: "EBML bronco. com " bronco. com >
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:11:01 -0500
Subject: EBML Pickup
Message-ID: <38B35DD5.9E7057D4 sunlink.net>

sorry for being off the subject but i have an 83 F-150 4x4 that i would
like to get rid of..it has 145k...granny 4spd...300-I6.. the body is
starting to get rough...I put a lot of new stuff into it with in the
last 10k...new brake pads and shoes...left rear wheel cylinder..some new
brake springs in the back...all new u-joints in both drive shafts new
self adjusters..headlight switch...spark plugs...dist. cap w/
rotor...brand new radiator...rear tires over 3/4 tread...front about at
1/2...oil pan gasket...intake and exhaust gaskets...valve cover
gasket...just put a new power steering gear box..has 2 new tie rod
ends...right now its still my daily driver but it doesnt go far..the rod
bearings just started to knock a little so i never take it more then a
few miles at a time...i dont have the area or the access to the tools to
fix it anymore so ive decided to just get rid of it...if the engine is
fixed and a little body work is done it would make a nice tow rig....its
in Williamsport,Pa..im asking $1400 obo

thanks,
Jason Moyer
(570)329-2857


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From: "Garold Shaffer" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: my 96 F150 is rusting!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:49:16 -0600

Hi Guys,

I have been just lurking for a few months and really enjoy the list.
Well since it is 60 here today in ChicagoLand I washed my beloved
96 F150, the first time in over two months. Well when I was washing
the roof there is a spot the size of a nickel where the paint has bubbled
in the center of the roof above the passenger would sit and it is showing
some rust color in the crack of the paint.

Since my truck is only 4 yrs old and it only has 37k on it I think I might
have a warranty paint issues here. Has anyone dealt with Ford (or any
other dealer) with a paint warranty issue? I won't be able to get to the
dealer till Monday but I am sure I will have to prove that this is a paint
defect and not caused by something else. O'well I still love my Ford
and will do whatever it takes to get this repaired before it turns in to a
major problem. Yes I am a little anal about my truck.

Garold Shaffer
96 F150 300 I-6
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From: "C Stratton" uswest.net>
Subject: Re: High Gas Price Solution
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:50:30 -0600

www.biodiesel.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Blake Malkamaki
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 12:48 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: High Gas Price Solution
>
>
> >On 21 Feb 00, at 1:06, Blake Malkamaki wrote:
> >
> >>>That ain't a bad idea. I think a better solution is to beat them at
> >>>their own game. Maybe propane or other energy sources... Let
> >>>'em keep their damn oil.
> >>
> >>One of the most promissing crude oil alternatives on the horizon is
> >>biodiesel made from soy bean oil. This would help improve our
> farm economy
> >>too.
> >
> >Hmmmm, haven't heard of that one yet. Do you have a web
> >address where someone can go read up on it? Thanks.
> >
>
> I am not sure of one, but I bet you can find some information
> with a search
> on the subject. I read about it in the Farm & Dairy paper.
>
>
> Blake
> Little Mountain
> Concord, Ohio
> Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Propane, its a gas!
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:53:41 -0700



Troy wrote:
Hmmmm. I'm looking into the alternative fuel vehicles myself. If
it
would be possible to switch to gasoline for long trips where I might

be away from a propane filling station, then switch to propane for
regular driving, I would change. I haven't seen any such system
yet.

Good news Troy, just about 99% of the systems on the road today allow you
to switch between gasoline and propane while driving down the road. My wife
and I switch back to gasoline whenever we run out of propane, no matter if
we are doing 80mph, 15 mph, or idling. No biggee. Of course, it takes 650
miles of normal driving to run out of propane, versus 250 miles of normal
driving to consume our one tank of gasoline. We have a short bed, 4X4 F-150,
no dual tanks available on that model. So for obvious reasons, we run
propane a whole lot more than gasoline especially since I can purchase it
locally at the shops cost price.

But before making the plung into Propane, see how much its going to cost
you (typically about $1500 to $2000 for a normal full size pickup)and see if
it's worth it to you, you're the only one who can make that decision - umm,
wait...are you married?

I would not recommend purchasing the OEM Ford pickup or van conversions
mainly because I am familiar with the current system they use. Another
reason is that I can just about guarantee you the dealership won't have one
available, won't have a mechanic to work on it, and will pretend they don't
know you when you need service on the vehicle. Ford isscoming out with a
much better system in 2001, and that will be the one to have, hands down. It
just kicks ass.

Once you have a propane powered engine that can still use gasoline,
eventually you will get to the point where you will most likely favor using
propane instead of gasoline. Especially the first time you change your oil,
and plugs.

If you are serious about converting over, I would recommend going to some
of the propane shops around your area and ask around for a used tank. When
you find one, paint it yourself. That is one of the biggest expense for a
conversion. You don't need a brand new tank, and most places have used one
laying around that are not doing them any good.

Then get on the internet and look up TechnoCarb system, I don't have a web
site for them, because I don't have internet access here at work. This is
not our product, we do not build electronics for them, but their system is
good and reliable. This is coming from several sources including my partner
that does conversions in Hobbs, NM. He's done many conversions using various
products and he likes the TechnoCarb system. It's a neat, clean installation
that performs well. I wish I could afford to take off the Impco system I
have to try first hand their system. I like to tinker.

Well I'v e got to go for now, it's near 5:00PM and I need to shut down our
dyno area. Catch you guys later, hope I answered the few questions that were
posed to me. If not, I'll get to it tomorrow.

Phred
If its not physics, then its stamp collecting; Rutherford




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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:02:57 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family

Due to a death in the family, all replies to emails
sent to the Ford Truck Enthusiasts admin (me) will
be delayed until Monday, Feb. 28. I apologize for
an inconvenience this may cause subscribers to our
mailing lists, message board users and web store
purchases. Please exercise some patience with me
if you have problems unsubscribing or with other
list problems --- naturally, the web site is not
my #1 priority right now.

I would appreciate it if some of the list old timers
would keep an eye on things for me and help anyone
out in any capacity that you can. You guys/gals have
a great community and I trust you with it.

Regards,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Michael R. Dunbar" vtc.vsc.edu>
Subject: Towing Capacity
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:28:59 -0500


Ok, so I've been asked to tow a load for a few friends of mine at the end of
the school year. I told them that it'd be no problem, but unfortunately, I'm
really not sure. I drive an 89 F-150 XLT Lariat, 300 I-6, 5 spd stick, 2wd.
I'd look up the tow rating in the owners manual.... if I had an owner's
manual. Anybody help me out on this so I can give my friends the final word.
Thanks

Mike Dunbar
89 F-150 XLT Lariat
White River Jct., Vermont
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/mdunbar420/truck.htm

"Just remember, the wheel's spinning but the hamster's dead"



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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:36:03 -0800
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: Re: Propane, its a gas!


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> Troy wrote:
> Hmmmm. I'm looking into the alternative fuel vehicles myself. If
> it
> would be possible to switch to gasoline for long trips where I might
>
> be away from a propane filling station, then switch to propane for
> regular driving, I would change. I haven't seen any such system
> yet.
>
>
> Then get on the internet and look up TechnoCarb system, I don't have a web
> site for them, because I don't have internet access here at work. This is
> not our product, we do not build electronics for them, but their system is
> good and reliable. This is coming from several sources including my partner
> that does conversions in Hobbs, NM. He's done many conversions using various
> products and he likes the TechnoCarb system. It's a neat, clean installation
> that performs well. I wish I could afford to take off the Impco system I
> have to try first hand their system. I like to tinker.
>



http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.google.com/search?q=technocarb

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.technocarb.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:02:39 -0600
From: a&b uab.campuscwix.net>
Subject: Re: A few thread answers...Forklifts???

Yeah, cool motors. I worked at a Mazda place in the '70s. We did a bunch of
short blocks and rebuilds- R100's, 12A's, 13B's. On the short blocks, since
we were sending them back to Mazda, we'd put stuff on the secondaries(there
were carburated then) like french fries and let 'em get sucked down thru the
motor to the thermal reactor. Kinda smelled like Micky-D's. Also did some
washers and such. If they were really revved it would just about pull a
wheel off the floor when the motor seized. Seems like they'd do 13 k. Hey,
you get kinda bored on your 300th R&R. Wish I still had my rotary truck.
bg

les williams wrote:

> The rotary will spin to 11.5k, at a sustainable 22lb boost. ;-)) ....so
> far....now when I get the Cleveland to emulate these figures, I will be
> really impressed!!!
>
> regards
> Les
> Lost in the Land of OZ
>
> a&b wrote:
>
> > How many rpm will it turn?
> > bg
> >
> > les williams wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > We are even getting 205hp at the back wheels on a turboed, propane
> > > Rotary engine, here in OZ.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From: WoodStck45 aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:45:50 EST
Subject: GAS PRICES

GAS PRICES HERE IN CENTRAL ILLINOIS (ABOUT 80 MILES FROM ST. LOUIS MO) ARE
$1.44 FOR REG, $1.47 FOR PLUS, AND $1.54 FOR PREMIUM.

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From: RQTHOMSON aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:46:51 EST
Subject: Re: '81 F-150 300 Six carb problems

Sounds more like the choke, I fought with my 83 until I gave up & put a
manual conversion on it. That engine has to be choked when it is cold, but it
also dosn't take much to flood it.

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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:49:36 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: Propane, its a gas!

I wonder if you could fill up the back of your truck with garbage and burn
the methane produced by it.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:02:42 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Pinging



FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:

> With the price of fuel
> going up, you might be hard pressed to find anyone to donate
> a flammable rag ;-}
> Good luck
> Alex

But a 9kg bottle of propane will give it a cheap & spectacular send-off !!! ;-))
Wow, have I changed Lists or something?? This is no way to treat a Ford ...
GM maybe .....

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:41:20 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon cnx.net>
Subject: Re: Propane, its a gas!


>we are doing 80mph, 15 mph, or idling. No biggee. Of course, it takes 650
>miles of normal driving to run out of propane, versus 250 miles of normal

How big's your tank?

> Then get on the internet and look up TechnoCarb system, I don't have a web
>site for them, because I don't have internet access here at work. This is
>not our product, we do not build electronics for them, but their system is
>good and reliable. This is coming from several sources including my partner
>that does conversions in Hobbs, NM. He's done many conversions using various
>products and he likes the TechnoCarb system. It's a neat, clean installation
>that performs well. I wish I could afford to take off the Impco system I
>have to try first hand their system. I like to tinker.

I didn't realise that TechnoCarb was a local company. The are located about
10 Km from where I'm sitting now! I guess it's field trip time!
Chris
'84 F150
351W on propane
NP 435
NP 208
287K Km


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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:52:15 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon cnx.net>
Subject: Re: Parking It

>Hi Chris,
>And while your at it, convert to Imperal Gallons, well thats what we had before
>going metric...
>This is all too hard to work out. My best guess is in OZ, we are paying approx
>$4.00 a US gallon for ULP .... Ouch!!!
>
>regards
>Les
>Lost in the Land of OZ
>

Well... 1 USGal = 1.2 ImpGal so I get 12 MPG and pay 1.32 USD/ImpGal (how
'bout that for a unit!)
Chris (from the land where I can buy 4'X8' sheet of 11mm OSB)
'84 F150
351W on propane
NP 435
NP 208
287K Km


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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Forklifts...
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:42:17 -0700

Les wrote;

Hi Dave,
Why is it people seem to automatically equate propane use
and
performance with Forklifts??? IS a forklift a very short 'rail' on
solid
rubber tyres? I
don't think so...... My experience with forklifts is limited, thank
god,
but since they are not subject to the same scrutiny as trucks on the
road, I too have seen some shocker installs.

Phred replies;

Over here in this hemisphere, there is a misconception (misconception -
there's an interesting play-on-words) that if an engine is operating indoors
using gasoline, everyone will eventually die from asphyxiation, but propane
is our friend because it burns clean, so our lungs will be happy. You and I,
being two of the gas heads on this list know this is caca.
Les, stop thinking about racing every engine on propane,
although...forklift racing could be fun, especially if the forks are allowed
to be used against your opponents machine...hmmm, the next Olympic sport???
And yes a forklift is a very short rail sometimes on solid rubber tires,
sometimes not, but they have the turning raduis any off-roader can only
dream of having.

Flash-to-pass Phred
'95 F-150 4X4 propane or gasoline fed 5.0L with 171 K miles.



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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Pigeon forge events
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:29:29 -0500

Anyone who plans to be at the F-100 Nationals May 18-21 should subsc*ibe to
the "pfgroup-list" so we can discuss plans. We keep this discussion off the
main truck lists to keep traffic down since it's not directly truck ralated
and many are not interested. We are discussing group discount hotel
arrangements right now and since the traffic on that list is very light I
suspect there are some who are not there who might benefit from the
discussions. We should periodically run a reminder post to all the lists
for this event since there are many new people on the list who have not been
exposed to the existance of this PF list. I don't have all the addresses of
the lists handy so am sending to the two I know. Anyone on more lists can
forward this to the others if you like but be careful we don't clog up the
system in the process :-)

Last year we had nearly 50 people alltogether from our lists and it was a
lot of fun meeting everyone. For those who don't know, the event is held
each year in Pigeon Forge, TN, near Knoxville in May. Last year the weather
was beautiful and the trucks (roughly 800 of them) were awesome :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--


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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Reply for sites...
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:53:25 -0700



Donald asked;

Are there any web sites to start the education process?

Hi Donald,

Well, since I don't have access to the internet here at work (might spend
too much time surfing you know)I am unable to include direct web sites. I do
apologize for the inconvience, but the powers to be have spoken.

On the issue of Carbon Monoxide poisening, I know that Wayne State
University is one good source of information regarding the body's inability
to deal with CO. Of course OSHA, and EPA each have such sites also, but
finding them on the net can get tedious.

For Fuel Control systems involving forklifts and other indoor engine
applications you can check out a company called IMPCO and another called
Nolff's (nolffs ameritech.net). Of course each will claim to be the best,
IMPCO has consistancy when it comes to quality, but their service is also
consistant (non-existant! You will have to deal with a WD, I will be glad to
recommend one that will know something about what they represent). And of
course you could check out our new LLC called Safe Controls LLC
(safecontrols.com). The site is still under construction but it will give
you an idea of what we do. No I did not write the text, it's horrible.

For trucks and cars to convert to Propane, check out Technocarb (in
addition to IMPCO and Nolff) on the net, don't know their web site address,
but have heard great things about their product. Technocarb use a venture
system to deliver propane into the engine. I am dying to try one on my own
truck.
If you are interested in using a standard air valve type of carburetion
then we are talking about IMPCO, Nolff or OHG. Without a doubt, I preferred
the OHG best of the three because of the performance. Rebuild kits are
slightly harder to find however because OHG does not have the share of the
market it deserves.
Typically with the air valve type of systems, one needs to rebuild the fuel
regulator every couple of years which intales installing new diaphragms,
o-rings, a couple of gaskets and a pressure seat. The manufacturing of
electronic components I used to oversee would typically be installed with
such a system to maintain proper ignition timing on propane, proper OEM
computer functions and maintain the closed loop (feedback) function on
propane. Usually the injector control (activates or deactivates the
injectors depending on the fuel being used) feature for is included also.

Bill G asks;

Hey Fred,
Where can one find info on conversions?
bg

Bill I hate answering a question with a question, but what part of the
country are you located?, what type of vehicle are thinking about
converting?
Most propane shops would probably not be considered "quality conversion
cable". By this I mean, the vehicle runs and starts just like gasoline, no
"Check Engine" light, enclosed air filter, gasoline fuel pump and injectors
are OFF during propane operation, OEM safety features remain active with
propane operation, neat & OEM like appearance of the conversion, soldered &
sealed electrical connections, etc...

Hopes this answers some of the questions you might of had, feel free to
contact me if you need more information.



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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:10:35 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: A few thread answers...Forklifts???

The aim of the project was to see if the pollution problems of the rotary could
be overcome, and the performance kept. As you would know, getting 11.5k is no
real big deal, after all it can do that on petrol. I would call it a success as
all the parts bolt on to a 13b, so it should be possible to use a box stock
block, bolt on the parts, and still be pollution compliant. Now if only it was
possible to get that real neat Ford V8 exhaust note......

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ

a&b wrote:

> Yeah, cool motors. I worked at a Mazda place in the '70s. We did a bunch of
> short blocks and rebuilds- R100's, 12A's, 13B's. On the short blocks, since
> we were sending them back to Mazda, we'd put stuff on the secondaries(there
> were carburated then) like french fries and let 'em get sucked down thru the
> motor to the thermal reactor. Kinda smelled like Micky-D's. Also did some
> washers and such. If they were really revved it would just about pull a
> wheel off the floor when the motor seized. Seems like they'd do 13 k. Hey,
> you get kinda bored on your 300th R&R. Wish I still had my rotary truck.
> bg


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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:10:47 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Propane, its a gas!

If you have a big enough back, and can stand the odours, and the health
inspectors don't shut you down, Why not??
Although having just read Gary's post about the Porta-potti in the E van has
....


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