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In This Issue:
Re: Gas Prices
A few thread answers...Forklifts???
Re: Parking It
Re: Parking It
Re: Parking It
Re: A few thread answers...Forklifts???
Whoops, you hit my specialty button
Re: Whoops, you hit my specialty button
Re: Pinging
Re: Pinging
Re: Pinging
Re: Parking It
Pinging
Re: Pinging
Re: High fuel prices
Re: Pinging
Re: High Gas Price Solution
Re: Pinging
Re: Whoops, you hit my specialty button
ADMIN: Searchable mailing list archives now online!
Re: Pinging
Re: Pinging
Re: Worth anything to anyone?
'81 F-150 300 Six carb problems
Alternative Fuel
Re: propane from pounds to liters
Re: Pinging
Can injectors cause radio noise?
Re: Alternative Fuel
Re: A few thread answers...Forklifts???

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From: "Ferino, Chris" caremark.com>
Subject: Re: Gas Prices
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:46:21 -0600


In response to the current discussion, I just want to mention that I'm
certainly not parking my truck in response to the gas prices. It's not a
lot of money on a weekly basis, but it's sure going to add up over time,
which is why I'm filling up mid-week as opposed to weekends (see my earlier
note about my local stations jacking up the prices for the weekend), and if
I need to travel on the weekend for any reason, I'll use my wife's Escort
wagon that gets close to twice the mileage of my truck.

On a side note, I had my truck looked at today because it was giving me fits
when I went to start it on Monday morning, and as it turns out my engine
wasn't getting up to temperature. Monitoring the coolant temp, it went up
to 180 and stayed there. It didn't fluctuate at all with the opening and
closing of the thermostat. This might have been one of the causes of my
lower gas mileage, so we've replaced the thermostat (which was the OEM
thermostat at 88,000 miles) and we'll see what happens. (Yes, we also
checked the coolant temp sensor, which seemed to be performing normally.)

--chris

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:35:41 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: A few thread answers...Forklifts???

Hi Dave,
Why is it people seem to automatically equate propane use and
performance with Forklifts??? IS a forklift a very short 'rail' on solid
rubber tyres? I
don't think so...... My experience with forklifts is limited, thank god,
but since they are not subject to the same scrutiny as trucks on the
road, I too have seen some shocker installs.
Even your own Mr A.K. Miller that has produced numerous examples of
propane powered vehicles that can't be ignored. From Pikes Peak
screamers to a C*evy/Jee* powered 350cid putting out in excess of 700hp
- turboed on propane
We are even getting 205hp at the back wheels on a turboed, propane
Rotary engine, here in OZ.
Provided the installation is done right, and the *right parts* are used,
there is nothing to fear. When I saw my first LPG conversion back in the
mid 60's, My attitude was exactly the same, 'We're only a match strike
away from disaster' The industry has moved on and while the shonky
dealers are still out there, a good conversion can be a safe one.

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


Dave said
Propane: We had propane forklifts at an old job, and a current customer
works on them... NO THANKS!!!

Dave H.
Houston

(I still think we should secede!)
You might be a redneck if: Your kids are going hungry tonight because
you
just HAD to have those Yosemite Sam mudflaps!!!

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:36:31 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Parking It

Hi Troy,
That is the most popular conversion. To install Propane over petrol, so you have a
choice, run on whatever. From my observations of this list, the purchase of
Propane is the biggest problem.
What is the price of Propane anyway?
My understanding is that it is about 10c less than Petrol?
Is that worth the trouble?
Down here in OZ LPG is about 45% of the price of petrol so it is worth it, economy
is not quite so good, but certainly not 55% worst, so you will come out in front.
The easiest & simplest system is a single LPG fuel install. A lot of effie trucks
and a zillion sydney cabs can't be wrong, for starters.
As for maintenance, well I spend far more time under the hood of the other 2 ford
petrol fuelled V8's I have here, that I do on the LPG powered F100 351 clevo.
It may be easier to tell you what you don't have to worry about if you go single
LPG.
Fuel tanks and fuel distribution block feeding back to the wrong tank - there
isn't any..
Fuel filter, and fuel pump problems - there isn't any..
Carby O/hauls - the OHG mixer that replaces the carby has only one moving part..
Remove the charcoal canister & associated plumbing 'cause there is nothing to
purge or plug it into.
That should do for a start, something to get you thinking....;-))

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ

Troy wrote:

> Hmmmm. I'm looking into the alternative fuel vehicles myself. If it
> would be possible to switch to gasoline for long trips where I might
> be away from a propane filling station, then switch to propane for
> regular driving, I would change. I haven't seen any such system
> yet.
>
> Anyway, what additional maintenance is required with propane?
>
> >Myself, I'll stick with gasoline for convenience sake. Finding propane and
> >then making sure the person doing the fueling knows what he/she is doing is a
> >whole other problem.
>
> There are a couple propane filling stations here in town.
>
> You might be a redneck if... You own every Boxcar Willie album.
> - Jeff Foxworthy
>
> Troy Williams
>


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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:15:49 -0800
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Parking It

At 08:36 AM 2/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
>Propane is the biggest problem.
>What is the price of Propane anyway?

Last I noticed (2 weeks ago) it was $1.10 but I don't recall if that
was per lb or per gal or what




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From: "Moore, Jimmy" ZymeTx.com>
Subject: Re: Parking It
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:31:36 -0600

Here in OKC, OK I can get 100 lbs. for $30.

Jim Moore
1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
1964 Ford F-100 292
Oklahoma City, OK


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At 08:36 AM 2/23/00 +1100, you wrote:
>Propane is the biggest problem.
>What is the price of Propane anyway?

Last I noticed (2 weeks ago) it was $1.10 but I don't recall if that
was per lb or per gal or what



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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:22:19 -0600
From: a&b uab.campuscwix.net>
Subject: Re: A few thread answers...Forklifts???

How many rpm will it turn?
bg

les williams wrote:

>
> We are even getting 205hp at the back wheels on a turboed, propane
> Rotary engine, here in OZ.
>
>
>

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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Whoops, you hit my specialty button
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:21:39 -0700

Dave wrote;
Propane: We had propane forklifts at an old job, and a current customer
works on them... NO THANKS!!!

Whoops, you hit my specialty button: This negative view of propane as a
motor fuel is exactly what's wrong with the propane industry, and it is
caused by incorrectly done conversions!!!!
A Ford forklift (or ford car, or Ford truck, or Ford bus) should NEVER
"smell" of propane when its engine is running . When you smell a propane
vehicle its because the darn thing is running too rich, i.e., excessive fuel
being bought, and consumed unnecessarily, wasted through the tail pipe. BTW
if a normal gasoline engine smells of gasoline the same applies.;
Money is being wasted. Most of the propane industry probably does not care
because it gets to sell more fuel. Plus the industry rarely has anyone
competent to work on such system. Its hard enough finding a decent mechanic
much less a propane system mechanic/diagnostician. Dave in Houston has only
one location in his direct metropolitan area that I can say is pretty good,
although I would still double check on their work. Otherwise the closest
person is in Livingston or San Antonio. That's it.
Unfortunately the reality is; the market ask for an "environmentally
friendly, politically correct unit at the best price" and the industry (as
disorganized and cut-throat as it is) delivers a system that is "accounting
friendly". John Q Public notion is that if it propane it must be clean. BS,
BS, BS.
Now Big Brother is stepping into the picture, under the guise of OSHA, CARB
and EPA to name a few agencies.
Why is Big Brother stepping in? Because between now and the next 2 years we
are going to be seeing a new type of lawsuit increase in popularity; the
Carbon Monoxide poisoning lawsuits. Just watch Diane Sawyer with her look
concern and compassion and Dan Rather "Live!" telling us how awful our
workplace is for our health.
Well my truck is done right, my emissions are the envy of any tree hugger
and far cleaner than any gasoline engine, but I do it because of the $$
issue. Sure I care about the environment, but if the cost are too high, we
will have a fight. Just look at all the postings because gasoline prices
jumped! Thank God the price of propane is steady.
The solutions is simple, use a closed loop (aka feedback system) just like
the gasoline and OEM systems have. It's not rocket science, its more money
initially, but maintenance and fuel savings will add up quickly over the
life of the unit. Forklifts should be able to park under a Carbon Monoxide
detector with its engine running and never cause an increase in CO ppm, much
less a headache or foul odor.
Working in the Alternative Fuels division of Autotronic (MSD Ignition) we
build the fuel controllers that duplicate for the propane system the closed
loop feature found in every car and truck manufactured and sold. But before
someone yells "Sales Pitch!! Kick him off the list!", let me inform you that
we have competitors who are also striving to keep up, and that is what make
America great. I don't expect anything from you guys except to gain some
insight and knowledge and maybe pass a little of it on to you. I joined this
list to learn about my truck, just so happens some of us express an opinion
or two. Here is mine.
And yes Fords trucks, cars, and forklifts are incorrectly converted as we
speak. Take a look at just about any State agency's fleet.
Sorry for the long post, but I had to vent, it's good therapy,... send me a
bill I feel much better.

Phred, KD5AQB
1995 F-150 4X4 propane or gasoline fed 5.0L with a 5-speed and 171K miles
and running strong. Flash to pass is my motto.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:14:33 -0800
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: Re: Whoops, you hit my specialty button

Are there any web sites to start the education process?

>
> Whoops, you hit my specialty button: This negative view of propane as a
> motor fuel is exactly what's wrong with the propane industry, and it is
> caused by incorrectly done conversions!!!!

------------------------------

From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:38:15 EST
Subject: Re: Pinging

I have checked my rev limiter and such as Bob suggested. I am going to
replace all the flimsy vacuum lines tonight, just in case. Now to add a quirk
to it, it only does it when the truck warms up. When its cold....NO PROBLEM.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:47:16 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Pinging

Temp can really beat up that TFI Module..

Bob


FLR150 aol.com wrote:

> I have checked my rev limiter and such as Bob suggested. I am going to
> replace all the flimsy vacuum lines tonight, just in case. Now to add a quirk
> to it, it only does it when the truck warms up. When its cold....NO PROBLEM.
> Later
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside SC
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:58:22 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: Pinging

At 19:38 22/02/00 EST, you wrote:
>I have checked my rev limiter and such as Bob suggested. I am going to
>replace all the flimsy vacuum lines tonight, just in case. Now to add a
quirk
>to it, it only does it when the truck warms up. When its cold....NO PROBLEM.

Wayne-
With that tidbit, I'd say EGR valve system is the problem, because it is
turned off when engine is cold, and on after warm up. I do not know where
the EGR signal comes from on your newer computer controlled engine, but
that's where I'd start looking. I do not think it is the valve itself, but
instead the controller to the valve or the signal coming to the controller.
I know this reply is vague, but I hope it points you in the right direction.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:22:47 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon cnx.net>
Subject: Re: Parking It

>Here in OKC, OK I can get 100 lbs. for $30.
>
>Jim Moore
>1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
>1964 Ford F-100 292
>Oklahoma City, OK
>
>
Anyone know how to convert from lbs to gallons (or even better litres!) Here
I'm paying 39.9c/L or about 1.10 US$/USgal. I get about to 10MPG.
Chris
Proud to be Canadian (and metric!)
'84 F150
351W on propane
NP 435
NP 208
287K Km


------------------------------

From: ADCSRWS aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:34:00 EST
Subject: Pinging

Check your sparkplug wires and your dist cap. Lift the hood a night and check
for arcing. Look at your Fuel filter.
good luck and hang in there!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:07:09 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Pinging

One other thing is fuel mixture. It sounds like it could be leaning out
when warm.. The computer probably richens the mixture enough when it's
cold.. Could it be an O2 sensor? Have you run codes???



FLR150 aol.com wrote:
>
> I have checked my rev limiter and such as Bob suggested. I am going to
> replace all the flimsy vacuum lines tonight, just in case. Now to add a quirk
> to it, it only does it when the truck warms up. When its cold....NO PROBLEM.
> Later
> Wayne Foy
>

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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: High fuel prices
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:38:51 -0500

> I'll not go too much into detail on my opinions, but I
> think we might get some leverage if we just stopped
> driving as much. Maybe try and carpool a little more,
> maybe start using more fuel efficient vehicles if we have one.

Well ... for those people who live in a more populated area,
that has a possibility of helping. I live out in the styx of rural
northeastern Pennsylvania, however ... a mile from the nearest
neighbor, and 10 miles from the nearest gas station. Abominably
high fuel prices hurt the residents of rural areas worst ... which
means it hurts farmers ... the FOOD supply ...
The rural population of this country NEEDS fuel just to get out
of their own yards. How about we make those oil barons pay
twice as much as the price reasonably should be when they go
to buy some food ? That might change their minds about shafting
the rural residents of this country so much ...






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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:39:44 EST
Subject: Re: Pinging

Ok gang,
Now this thing has really thrown me for a loop. Tonight I warmed it up, and
pulled the codes. Now it is not throwing the code showing my chip is active.
It also threw a MAF signal too low code and a FMEM code (????). And to boot
it also threw the No Knock sensor signal code and now it refuses to advance
the timing, BUT IT IS STILL DETONATING!!!
Anyone got a match? and a long flammable fluid soaked rag? ={
Later
Wayne Foy
SICK '94 Flareside SC

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:48:14 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: High Gas Price Solution

>On 21 Feb 00, at 1:06, Blake Malkamaki wrote:
>
>>>That ain't a bad idea. I think a better solution is to beat them at
>>>their own game. Maybe propane or other energy sources... Let
>>>'em keep their damn oil.
>>
>>One of the most promissing crude oil alternatives on the horizon is
>>biodiesel made from soy bean oil. This would help improve our farm economy
>>too.
>
>Hmmmm, haven't heard of that one yet. Do you have a web
>address where someone can go read up on it? Thanks.
>

I am not sure of one, but I bet you can find some information with a search
on the subject. I read about it in the Farm & Dairy paper.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."



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From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 05:41:37 EST
Subject: Re: Pinging

In a message dated 02/22/2000 09:41:02 PM Mountain Standard Time,
FLR150 aol.com writes:

<< Ok gang,
Now this thing has really thrown me for a loop. Tonight I warmed it up, and
pulled the codes. Now it is not throwing the code showing my chip is active.
It also threw a MAF signal too low code and a FMEM code (????). And to boot
it also threw the No Knock sensor signal code and now it refuses to advance
the timing, BUT IT IS STILL DETONATING!!!
Anyone got a match? and a long flammable fluid soaked rag? >>

FMEM code is Failure Mode Effects Management. This alternative strategy
protects the vehicle function from adverse
effects of an EEC-IV component failure. Fried chip or a poor connection is
the next placed I'd go looking. Careful cleaning
the MAF might clear the low signal code. With the price of fuel
going up, you might be hard pressed to find anyone to donate
a flammable rag ;-}
Good luck
Alex


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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:06:32 -0600
From: Bill G uab.edu>
Subject: Re: Whoops, you hit my specialty button

Hey Fred,
Where can one find info on conversions?
bg

Fred Moreno wrote:

> Dave wrote;
> Propane: We had propane forklifts at an old job, and a current customer
> works on them... NO THANKS!!!
>
> Whoops, you hit my specialty button: This negative view of propane as a
> motor fuel is exactly what's wrong with the propane industry, and it is
> caused by incorrectly done conversions!!!!
> A Ford forklift (or ford car, or Ford truck, or Ford bus) should NEVER
> "smell" of propane when its engine is running . When you smell a propane
> vehicle its because the darn thing is running too rich, i.e., excessive fuel
> being bought, and consumed unnecessarily, wasted through the tail pipe. BTW
> if a normal gasoline engine smells of gasoline the same applies.;
> Money is being wasted. Most of the propane industry probably does not care
> because it gets to sell more fuel. Plus the industry rarely has anyone
> competent to work on such system. Its hard enough finding a decent mechanic
> much less a propane system mechanic/diagnostician. Dave in Houston has only
> one location in his direct metropolitan area that I can say is pretty good,
> although I would still double check on their work. Otherwise the closest
> person is in Livingston or San Antonio. That's it.
> Unfortunately the reality is; the market ask for an "environmentally
> friendly, politically correct unit at the best price" and the industry (as
> disorganized and cut-throat as it is) delivers a system that is "accounting
> friendly". John Q Public notion is that if it propane it must be clean. BS,
> BS, BS.
> Now Big Brother is stepping into the picture, under the guise of OSHA, CARB
> and EPA to name a few agencies.
> Why is Big Brother stepping in? Because between now and the next 2 years we
> are going to be seeing a new type of lawsuit increase in popularity; the
> Carbon Monoxide poisoning lawsuits. Just watch Diane Sawyer with her look
> concern and compassion and Dan Rather "Live!" telling us how awful our
> workplace is for our health.
> Well my truck is done right, my emissions are the envy of any tree hugger
> and far cleaner than any gasoline engine, but I do it because of the $$
> issue. Sure I care about the environment, but if the cost are too high, we
> will have a fight. Just look at all the postings because gasoline prices
> jumped! Thank God the price of propane is steady.
> The solutions is simple, use a closed loop (aka feedback system) just like
> the gasoline and OEM systems have. It's not rocket science, its more money
> initially, but maintenance and fuel savings will add up quickly over the
> life of the unit. Forklifts should be able to park under a Carbon Monoxide
> detector with its engine running and never cause an increase in CO ppm, much
> less a headache or foul odor.
> Working in the Alternative Fuels division of Autotronic (MSD Ignition) we
> build the fuel controllers that duplicate for the propane system the closed
> loop feature found in every car and truck manufactured and sold. But before
> someone yells "Sales Pitch!! Kick him off the list!", let me inform you that
> we have competitors who are also striving to keep up, and that is what make
> America great. I don't expect anything from you guys except to gain some
> insight and knowledge and maybe pass a little of it on to you. I joined this
> list to learn about my truck, just so happens some of us express an opinion
> or two. Here is mine.
> And yes Fords trucks, cars, and forklifts are incorrectly converted as we
> speak. Take a look at just about any State agency's fleet.
> Sorry for the long post, but I had to vent, it's good therapy,... send me a
> bill I feel much better.
>
> Phred, KD5AQB
> 1995 F-150 4X4 propane or gasoline fed 5.0L with a 5-speed and 171K miles
> and running strong. Flash to pass is my motto.
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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Pinging
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:36:52 -0500

Is the air duct in good shape? If it sucks air you will run lean because
the MAF will not see the added air? I am a EFI baby (newborn) but have
already run into this one :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Lo and behold, anything above 3k rpms it started to
>detonate/ping. So fearing

>Do any of you see anything I missed? Anything else I need to

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:43:34 -0500
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: Pinging

Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
>
> Is the air duct in good shape? If it sucks air you will run lean because
> the MAF will not see the added air? I am a EFI baby (newborn) but have
> already run into this one :-)
>

UH, OH. Gary answering EFI questions, LOL!! Anyway, depending upon the
size and amount of time it took to get the air leak (rate of hole
expansion :-)), the computer could compensate or even make it run
really rich if your in closed loop. The maf won't see it, but the O2
sensors will and will try to correct it.

OX

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From: BanksRVA aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:53:08 EST
Subject: Re: Worth anything to anyone?

Hey Folks,
I have an 82 E250 that I am getting rid of. Anyone in the Va. area need
anything?
It has complete 400 engine (threw a rod), C6 (condition unknown), good rear
end,
glass, etc. Contact me at BanksRVA aol.com if interested.

Joe

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From: "Moore, Jimmy" ZymeTx.com>
Subject: '81 F-150 300 Six carb problems
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:16:40 -0600


I have the 300 Six with the one barrel carb and I had a vacuum leak
somewhere, but my dad thought it was the carb. He started adjusting the
idle mixture and the air intake screws. I found the vacuum leak (when I
changed the carb, the plastic ring from the old gasket was stuck in there
and I didn't see it before, for it was dark) and fixed it, but now it is
hard to keep running once started. It fires up just fine, but if you let it
die, then you have to hold the pedal to the floor and keep cranking until it
finally sputters and starts. When I have to do this, it releases plenty of
exhaust all over the place. So does anyone know the factory specs for these
two screws, or could it be the electric choke fouling up? Perhaps the
spring inside the choke is broken?

Thanks,
Jim Moore

Jim Moore
1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
1964 Ford F-100 292
Oklahoma City, OK

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From: "Mahaffey, Chris M" ch.etn.com>
Subject: Alternative Fuel
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:29:06 -0500

It's not the soy product someone mentioned but it is an alternative,
hydrogen produced by algae.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msnbc.com/news/372802.asp

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From: "Mike" email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: propane from pounds to liters
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:34:14 -0700

:Anyone know how to convert from lbs to gallons (or even better litres!)
Here
:I'm paying 39.9c/L or about 1.10 US$/USgal. I get about to 10MPG.
:Chris


About 4.3 lbs of propane per gallon as I recall so I figure about 1.136 lbs
per liter.

mike miller
85 F250 xcab, 4x4,6.9 diesel with banks turbo



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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Pinging
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:17:11 -0500

If you recall, that project started out as a clutch job........When I see my
step son I ask him how his clutch is working and he just smiles :-) Even I
can use duct tape on a duct :-) That is, after all, what it's for, right?
:-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
>>
>> the MAF will not see the added air? I am a EFI baby
>(newborn) but have
>
> UH, OH. Gary answering EFI questions, LOL!!
>
> OX

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:15:32 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Can injectors cause radio noise?

Something in my truck causes a cackling noise on my radio when used in AM
mode. It sounds like a spark noise, but I have brand new plugs and wires.
It only does it under a load. Could a bad injector be doing this?

'88 F-150 4x4 w/302

Thanks.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell
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http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."



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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:17:42 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: Alternative Fuel

>It's not the soy product someone mentioned but it is an alternative,
>hydrogen produced by algae.
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msnbc.com/news/372802.asp

Yes I heard about that on the radio. Sounds promissing. More or less, "new
oil" that does not take millions of years to make.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
....


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