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80-96-list Digest Tue, 18 Jul 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 141

In This Issue:
None functional lights.
Re: Radio problem
Coolant leak followup...
Re: Coolant leak followup...
Re: Ethanol
Re: alldata
Re: ethanol
Re: alldata
Re: ethanol
ADMIN: 2001 Ford Lightning
Re: Coolant leak followup...
Re: Motor, Trans., and Rear End combo.
Re: Motor, Trans., and Rear End combo.
Re: Motor, Trans., and Rear End combo.
A question
Re: Hammering Power Steering
Re: Ethanol
Re: Ethanol
Bronco Tailgate

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:29:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Rozell yahoo.com>
Subject: None functional lights.

Hi all,
I recently installed an indash CD player in my 96 F150 SC. after installation I noticed the lights
in the climate control bezel are now nonfuctional. I have checked things like bulbs loose
connections on the back of the bezel and still have found nothing. I was hoping one of you all
might have an idea what might be causing this.

Thanks in advance,

Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 5.0 SC

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From: "Steve Dyer" ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Radio problem
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:21:29 -0500

Bugger. I was afraid you were gonna say that. Guess it would have been
too fargin' difficult to mount the damn thing under the seat or some such
convenient place.

Maybe, some day, in the dark alley where I finally meet the sorry, sadistic
sonofabitch who approved the oil filter access on my '96 T-Bird (and my
F-150, for that matter), the radio engineers will be around the next corner,
unsuspecting.

Steve Dyer
'94 F150 4WD 5.8L

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From: FLR150 aol.com aol.com>
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 9:47 AM
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Radio problem


Steve,
On the 1994s the amp is up behind the radio on the cab side firewall of the
truck, a real PITA to get to. My suggestion would be to run new wires to the
speakers and hook them up to the new radio harness. That's how I did mine
and
have had no problems since then.
Later,
Wayne Foy



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From: warren.g.kafer exgate.tek.com
Subject: Coolant leak followup...
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:33:20 -0700

List Experts,

I'm just now getting the time to put the 460 back together which
brings up the following question...

One of the books that I have talks about using an alignment tool
that slides over the crankshaft snout to align the timing chain
cover. Do I really need to do this??? It would seem that the
alignment is pretty much preset by the eleven bolts that hold the
cover on. Yes? No? Anybody ever had a problem with the harmonic
balancer seal leaking due to misalignment???? I did correctly
guess which bolts don't hold the timing cover on but do hold the
pump to the timing cover so I won't have to deal with those two
gaskets!

Other questions:
Has anybody used the timing GEAR sets that are available to set
the cam timing to zero and still made emission certification?

If you guys haven't tried using the Philips/Sylvania XV series of
replacement headlights... DO! They make a huge difference in lighting
up the road and they don't cost much more than the regular halogen
replacements.

Thanks in advance!!

Warren
'87 F250 460/C6 SC 4X2

** Warren Kafer --- Tektronix, Inc. --- Beaverton, OR **
** Standard Disclaimer: Any ideas or opinions expressed here do **
** not necessarily reflect the ideas or opinions of my employer. **

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From: soffiler centraltools.com
Subject: Re: Coolant leak followup...
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:40:59 -0400

Warren:

Just a general comment - they *probably* didn't invent that special tool
just to confuse us shadetree mechanics. In other words, my general
philosophy is that these things usually have a genuine purpose. Since I've
never torn down a 460, I am not qualified to comment, but I'd guess that the
bolts and thru-holes fastening the timing cover have just enough slop to let
the seal run slightly off-center if you're not careful, and shorten its
life. Thus, the special tool to guarantee concentricity. Again, just a
guess.

Steve Offiler
soffiler centraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of
> warren.g.kafer exgate.tek.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 2:33 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Coolant leak followup...
>
>
> List Experts,
>
> I'm just now getting the time to put the 460 back together which
> brings up the following question...
>
> One of the books that I have talks about using an alignment tool
> that slides over the crankshaft snout to align the timing chain
> cover. Do I really need to do this??? It would seem that the
> alignment is pretty much preset by the eleven bolts that hold the
> cover on. Yes? No? Anybody ever had a problem with the harmonic
> balancer seal leaking due to misalignment???? I did correctly
> guess which bolts don't hold the timing cover on but do hold the
> pump to the timing cover so I won't have to deal with those two
> gaskets!


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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Peterson go.com>
Subject: Re: Ethanol

My local pump has the "10% ethanol blend" for about 2c cheaper than regular unleaded, just trying to save a few cents with prices as high as they are these days.

>May I ask Why you are using Ethanol ?
>Just to make sure we are talking about the same product, >that is
>mentholated spirits, alcohol, or the stuff wino's mix >with orange juice
>for a cheap 'hit'? and not to be confused with Methanol.

Steve, yes my I6 is carbureted.
With about 5000 miles on the engine and the carb I just don't want to screw anything up by running the wrong fuel.

Gary

86 F-150 300 I6 4 sp. 4x4

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From: b-khanson juno.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:50:12 -0500
Subject: Re: alldata

>Subject: Re: Hammering Power Steering
>Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:25:12 -0400

>There is a chance that this is a condition known to Ford.
>You might check this list of Technical Service Bulletins
> from Alldata:

>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldata.com/TSB/20/94201802.html

>You can't get the whole text of the TSB (for dealer's eyes
> only?).

No, only for subscribers who pay for the alldata service.

Bruce Hanson
Apple Valley, MN

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From: b-khanson juno.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:49:34 -0500
Subject: Re: ethanol

>From: les williams cyber.net.au>
>Subject: Re: Ethanol

>Gary,

>May I ask Why you are using Ethanol ?

Les,

Ethanol (grain alcohol) may be a foreign term for
propane-powered Aussies, but it's a fact of life in
many parts of the US where oxygenated gasoline
is mandated by our EPA for lower emissions.

Most reformulated fuel is 90% gasoline, 10%
ethanol. (There was another oxygenate in use in
some parts of the country, but after it was found
to be a carcinogen, it's quickly fallen from favor.)

Bruce Hanson
Apple Valley, MN

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From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:06:47 EDT
Subject: Re: alldata

This hammering power steering complaint is quite intriguing. I'd like to know
what causes it and what cures it (just out of morbid curosity). If anyone
can produce the exact TSB, I'll download it from AllData and forward it - off
list- to anyone who request it.
Alex
(FULSZBRONC AOL.COM)


In a message dated 07/18/2000 06:44:00 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
b-khanson juno.com writes:

< < > Subject: Re: Hammering Power Steering
>Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:25:12 -0400

>There is a chance that this is a condition known to Ford.
>You might check this list of Technical Service Bulletins
> from Alldata:

>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldata.com/TSB/20/94201802.html

>You can't get the whole text of the TSB (for dealer's eyes
> only?).

No, only for subscribers who pay for the alldata service.

Bruce Hanson
Apple Valley, MN >>

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:44:52 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: ethanol

At 06:49 PM 7/18/00 -0500, you wrote:
>(There was another oxygenate in use in
>some parts of the country, but after it was found
>to be a carcinogen, it's quickly fallen from favor.)

Fallen from favor...never was a favorite. It was never
proven to do what it was supposed to and was not
tested for what they eventually found out was in it.
Found not compatible with some forms of rubber and
was found to eat the rubber seals out of storage tanks
that contained it. And it will still take quite awhile
to get it out of our gasoline....and forever to get it out
of our ground water!! It is called MTBE.
Carrol Browner and our all knowing (nothing) EPA, harrrrumphhh!.

Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
86 F150 300 cu in six banger
FAX 1-310-822-6815


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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:53:20 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: 2001 Ford Lightning

An artist rendition of the 2001 Ford Lightning, supplied by
Ford Motor Company, can be found in the news section of the
web site. I've also included a high resolution version
suitable for printing.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com



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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:15:15 -0500
From: Buck Shoff sktc.net>
Subject: Re: Coolant leak followup...

I usually bolt the timing cover on finger tight, install the harmonic
balancer right away, then tighten up the timing cover bolts. The
harmonic balancer becomes the alignment tool. Buck Shoff

warren.g.kafer exgate.tek.com wrote:
>
> List Experts,
>
> I'm just now getting the time to put the 460 back together which
> brings up the following question...
>
> One of the books that I have talks about using an alignment tool
> that slides over the crankshaft snout to align the timing chain
> cover. Do I really need to do this??? It would seem that the
> alignment is pretty much preset by the eleven bolts that hold the
> cover on. Yes? No? Anybody ever had a problem with the harmonic
> balancer seal leaking due to misalignment???? I did correctly
> guess which bolts don't hold the timing cover on but do hold the
> pump to the timing cover so I won't have to deal with those two
> gaskets!

> Warren
> '87 F250 460/C6 SC 4X2

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From: "big red" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Motor, Trans., and Rear End combo.
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:41:30 GMT

I have the 302,c-6 combo but with 3.55 gears and am turning about 2900-3000
at 55mph. Haven't paid attention to it at 75mph though. She whines pretty
good though.
________________________________________________________________________


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From: "Kevin Ritter" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Motor, Trans., and Rear End combo.
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 03:10:16 GMT




>From: "big red" hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Motor, Trans., and Rear End combo.
>Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:41:30 GMT
>
>I have the 302,c-6 combo but with 3.55 gears and am turning about 2900-3000
>at 55mph. Haven't paid attention to it at 75mph though. She whines pretty
>good though.
>________________________________________________________________________What
>year is your truck, I have got a 1991 w/ a 302/E4OD/3.55, she's got some
>balls. But the tranny is one its last leg, do you know anything about the
>E4OD?
> >
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:24:47 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Motor, Trans., and Rear End combo.

At 03:10 AM 7/19/00 +0000, you wrote:
>But the tranny is one its last leg, do you know anything about the E4OD?

All of you that want to know about Fords automatics, go to:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com/

As far as I know there is nothing else as comprehensive on the subject.

chuck



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From: JWater3961 aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:22:50 EDT
Subject: A question

I have a 1995 F150 4x2 when I step on the gas when the truck is in gear their
is a ticking sound. I think it speeds up when I go faster. It doesn't do it
when the truck is in neutral. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
Jarod Waterman
Near Boston,MA

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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 03:52:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Kudulis excite.com>
Subject: Re: Hammering Power Steering

Thanks for your help.
I will spend the $20 for the Alldata, before I put my underwear on backwards
to visit my dealer.

Jim


On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:25:12 -0400, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:

> There is a chance that this is a condition known to Ford. You might
check
> this list of Technical Service Bulletins from Alldata:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldata.com/TSB/20/94201802.html
>
> You can't get the whole text of the TSB (for dealer's eyes only?) but
from
> the titles you can usually tell if the problem you are experiencing is
> related to a TSB.
>
> Steve Offiler
> soffiler centraltools.com
> '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Greg Carter
> > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 10:13 AM
> > To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> > Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Hammering Power Steering
> >
> >
> > This sounds very odd. The only thing I can think is that the
> > fluid level is
> > low. Fill it up and bleed the system. If I remember
> > correctly to bleed it
> > all you do is turn the wheel back and forth with the cap off.
> >
> > Does it squeal as well?
> >
> > Bye
> > Greg Carter
> > Entrust Technologies - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.entrust.com
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/buildup/dana60.html
> >
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From: soffiler centraltools.com
Subject: Re: Ethanol
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:01:45 -0400

Gary:

We haven't had any authorities chime in yet, but I think the warnings about
rubber parts in the fuel system (hoses, diaphragms, etc) may still apply.
You heard "pre-90" from one source, but it's probably not that simple. I am
guessing the different auto mfg's, and even different car and truck lines
within a single mfg., may have begun using alcohol-compatible rubber
materials at different times. Hmmm. Need more data. Think I'll some
surfing and get back to you if I find anything.

Steve Offiler
soffiler centraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's


> My local pump has the "10% ethanol blend" for about 2c
> cheaper than regular unleaded, just trying to save a few
> cents with prices as high as they are these days.
>
> Steve, yes my I6 is carbureted.
> With about 5000 miles on the engine and the carb I just don't
> want to screw anything up by running the wrong fuel.
>
> Gary
>
> 86 F-150 300 I6 4 sp. 4x4


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From: soffiler centraltools.com
Subject: Re: Ethanol
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:35:45 -0400

Here's some info I pulled off the Web. I reformatted it very slightly to
make it easier to read, no content modified.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.greenfuels.org/ethaques.html

How will using ethanol-blended fuels affect my vehicle?
======================================================

1) What is the effect of using ethanol-blended fuels on the manufacturer's
warranty of my vehicle?
When the use of ethanol began in 1979, most automobile manufacturers did not
even address alcohol fuels. As soon as each manufacturer tested their
vehicles, they approved the use of a 10% ethanol blend. Today, all
manufacturers approve the use of 10% ethanol blends, and some even recommend
it for environmental reasons.

2) Is it necessary to make changes to my vehicle in order to use
ethanol-blended fuels?
All cars built since the 1970s are fully compatible with up to 10% ethanol
in the mixture.

3) Will ethanol-blended fuels work in fuel-injected engines?
Yes. It may be necessary to change the filter more frequently. Ethanol helps
to clean out the fuel-injection system, and may aid in the maintenance of a
cleaner engine.

Since 1985, all ethanol blends and nearly all non-ethanol gasolines have
contained detergent additives that are designed to prevent injector
deposits. These detergents have been very effective in addressing this
issue.

4) Does ethanol in the fuel work as an effective gas line anti-freeze?
Gas line anti-freeze contains alcohol-usually methanol, ethanol, or
isopropyl, which can be used up to a 0.3% level in a car's fuel tank. All
alcohols have the ability to absorb water, and therefore condensation in the
fuel system is absorbed and does not have the opportunity to collect and
freeze. If an ethanol blend contains 10% ethanol, it is able to absorb more
water than a small bottle of isopropyl, and eliminates the need and expense
of adding a gas line anti-freeze.

5) Will ethanol burn valves?
Ethanol will not burn engine valves. In fact, ethanol burns cooler than
gasoline. Ethanol high-powered racing engines use pure alcohol for that
reason.

6) Will using ethanol-blended fuels plug the fuel filters in my vehicle?
Ethanol can loosen contaminants and residues that have been deposited by
previous gasoline fills. These can collect in the fuel filter. This problem
has happened occasionally in older cars, and can easily be corrected by
changing fuel filters.

Symptoms of a plugged fuel filter will be hesitation, missing, and a loss of
power. Once your car's fuel system is clean, you will notice improved
performance.

7) Can I mix fuels?
Yes. All gasolines in Canada (including low-level ethanol blends) must meet
the specifications of the Canadian General Standards Board (CGSB). They are
all interchangeable.

8) What is the effect of using ethanol-blended fuels on fuel economy?
Changes in fuel economy are minimal. While a 10% ethanol blend contains
about 97% of the energy of 'pure' gasoline, this is compensated by the fact
that the combustion efficiency of the ethanol-blended fuel is increased. The
net result is that most consumers do not detect a difference in their fuel
economy, although many people using ethanol-blended fuels have said that
their fuel economy has improved.

9) What are the alternatives to ethanol as an oxygenate? How do they
compare?

Methanol: Methanol is a derivative of natural gas. It is less expensive to
produce than ethanol but is highly corrosive, more volatile than ethanol,
and more damaging to plastic and rubber fuel system components (elastomers).
It also requires a co-solvent (usually ethanol). Ethanol provides better
water tolerance than methanol.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Offiler [mailto:soffiler centraltools.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 7:02 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Ethanol
>
>
> Gary:
>
> We haven't had any authorities chime in yet, but I think the
> warnings about
> rubber parts in the fuel system (hoses, diaphragms, etc) may
> still apply.
> You heard "pre-90" from one source, but it's probably not
> that simple. I am
> guessing the different auto mfg's, and even different car and
> truck lines
> within a single mfg., may have begun using alcohol-compatible rubber
> materials at different times. Hmmm. Need more data. Think I'll some
> surfing and get back to you if I find anything.
>
> Steve Offiler
> soffiler centraltools.com
> '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's
>
>
> > My local pump has the "10% ethanol blend" for about 2c
> > cheaper than regular unleaded, just trying to save a few
> > cents with prices as high as they are these days.
> >
> > Steve, yes my I6 is carbureted.
> > With about 5000 miles on the engine and the carb I just don't
> > want to screw anything up by running the wrong fuel.
....


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