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80-96-list Digest Mon, 17 Jul 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 140

In This Issue:
Re: Hammering Power Steering
Re: Hammering Power Steering
Radio problem
Re: 84 F150 Steering Problems
Motor, Trans., and Rear End combo.
Re: How do I get off the list Please
302 Oil Pressure Sender
Re: unsuscribe 80-96 list
Re: 302 Oil Pressure Sender
Re: 302 Oil Pressure Sender
Ford 9"
Fw: DISAPPEARING AND REAPPEARING GAS
Ethanol
Re: Ethanol
Re: Ford 9"
Re: Ford 9"
Re: Leaking Master Cylinder
Re: Ethanol
Re: Radio problem

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From: Greg Carter entrust.com>
Subject: Re: Hammering Power Steering
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:13:28 -0400

This sounds very odd. The only thing I can think is that the fluid level is
low. Fill it up and bleed the system. If I remember correctly to bleed it
all you do is turn the wheel back and forth with the cap off.

Does it squeal as well?

Bye
Greg Carter
Entrust Technologies - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.entrust.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/buildup/dana60.html


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kudulis [mailto:jimm excite.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 7:33 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Hammering Power Steering



Hello,
Can anyone venture a guess or better yet an opinion? Have a 94 F250 4x4
351. Whenever I load up the truck or pull my camper, a distinct rapping
noise develops from what I believe is the P.S. pump. It's a loud nasty
hammering noise. If you put turning pressure on the steering wheel, the
noise will diminish but not disappear. The frequency does not change with
engine speed. The noise completely disappears a few minutes after
unloading/decoupling. It happens only once in a while, but man it's


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From: soffiler centraltools.com
Subject: Re: Hammering Power Steering
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:25:12 -0400

There is a chance that this is a condition known to Ford. You might check
this list of Technical Service Bulletins from Alldata:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldata.com/TSB/20/94201802.html

You can't get the whole text of the TSB (for dealer's eyes only?) but from
the titles you can usually tell if the problem you are experiencing is
related to a TSB.

Steve Offiler
soffiler centraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Greg Carter
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 10:13 AM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Hammering Power Steering
>
>
> This sounds very odd. The only thing I can think is that the
> fluid level is
> low. Fill it up and bleed the system. If I remember
> correctly to bleed it
> all you do is turn the wheel back and forth with the cap off.
>
> Does it squeal as well?
>
> Bye
> Greg Carter
> Entrust Technologies - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.entrust.com
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/buildup/dana60.html
>


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From: "Steve Dyer" ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Radio problem
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:48:41 -0500


'94 F150 XLT. Factory radio/cassette player went dead a few months ago -
no sound whatsoever. There was power to the unit, the display functioned,
you could change stations, read the clock and whatnot, but no sound came
from the speakers.

I thought maybe one of the wiring connectors had popped loose on the back of
the radio so inserted the DIN tools and pulled the receiver from the dash to
check it, only to get the radio stuck about halfway out. In fiddling with
it I cracked the faceplate (Damn!) and trashed the radio.

No problem. I have the orginal radio from my '96 T-Bird so I set about
installing it. Everything matched up except for one small square-format
plug in the F150. I'm told this indicates a 'Premium Sound' system with a
separate amp. I bought the adapter and spliced the new connector in place
and (as you have guessed) am back in the same situation where I started:
Power to the radio, but no sound.

I'm suspecting there's a problem with the separate amp in the F150 - maybe
it's dead or there's a blown fuse in the unit. I've checked the main fuse
box and can't anything there other than the main radio power fuse. I don't
know where the amp is as I haven't been able to get deep enough into the
dash to trace the wiring from the radio. If the factory T-Bird radio has
its own amp I could bypass the F150 amp, but that sounds like a major PITA.

Have any of you seen this situation before? Suggestions? Where did
they hide this amp so I can give it a look?

Thanks

Steve Dyer







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From: rocky50 ev1.net
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:53:54 -0500
Subject: Re: 84 F150 Steering Problems

>My 89 2wd does the same thing. I replaced the shocks, tie-rods,
radius arm
bushings, repacked/adjusted bearings, tightened the steering
box....still
pulls/jumps when going over bumps. More noticeable at highway
speeds which
is really scary keeping it straight. Is there something else I'm
missing?

If you didn't have a "really good" alinment done, it will do all those
things. I had to get my radius arms bent to get it right, at a real
alinment shop that does collisions,cost $100. NTW charged me $40
bucks and said "see'll pull to the left, but other than that, the
alinment's done, you are set for 0 tire wear." I was so tickled with
the news that after a test drive I demanded a refund and got it.

Moe
Houston
85 F150 orig. 300/6 now 95 302HO

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From: rocky50 ev1.net
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:02:52 -0500
Subject: Motor, Trans., and Rear End combo.

Anybody have a 302, C6, and 3:08 combination? What RPM's are
ya'll turning at 75mph? My 302HO with a C5 and 3:08 rear is turning
3200rpm at 75mph. Needless to say she sucks the gas. I'm trying to
avoid the cost of a AOD. (spelled backwards DOA) I have a 83 AOD
in a Town Car but found out that they had problems.

Thanks,
Moe
Houston

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:30:27 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp angelo.edu>
Subject: Re: How do I get off the list Please

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From: molderconnect.ab.ca
Subject: 302 Oil Pressure Sender
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:05:32 -0600

Gents:

I'm trying to tee into my oil pressure sender on a 1989 302 to install an oil
pressure gauge and I can't seem to be able to see how to remove the sender - it
looks like it's just round. Does anyone know if there's a hex on it down near
the bottom, and if so, what is the size? I'm assuming a deep socket the correct
size will remove it. It's too tight in there to get calipers on it.



Jamie




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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:19:49 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: unsuscribe 80-96 list

At 01:13 PM 7/5/00 , you wrote:
>Please see if you can do this, I have sent several messages and I am still on
>this list. What's wrong?

A spell checker would solve your problems.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts




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From: MRStace84aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:25:37 EDT
Subject: Re: 302 Oil Pressure Sender

I took one off of an 87 302. I had to remove the oil filter to get to it.
At the base of the sender there is a hex nut where you can put an open end
wrench on it. I'm thinking a 5/8" or 3/4", but don't remember exactly. Hope
this helps.

Stacy Fisher
84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4



In a message dated 7/17/00 12:10:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
molderconnect.ab.ca writes:

<< Gents:

I'm trying to tee into my oil pressure sender on a 1989 302 to install an oil
pressure gauge and I can't seem to be able to see how to remove the sender -
it
looks like it's just round. Does anyone know if there's a hex on it down
near
the bottom, and if so, what is the size? I'm assuming a deep socket the
correct
size will remove it. It's too tight in there to get calipers on it.



Jamie >>

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:27:08 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: 302 Oil Pressure Sender

Under the bottom of the bell is a 9/16 hex...Use that to loosen the
sender
Chuck

At 10:05 AM 7/17/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Gents:
>
>I'm trying to tee into my oil pressure sender on a 1989 302 to install an oil
>pressure gauge and I can't seem to be able to see how to remove the sender
>- it
>looks like it's just round. Does anyone know if there's a hex on it down near
>the bottom, and if so, what is the size? I'm assuming a deep socket the
>correct
>size will remove it. It's too tight in there to get calipers on it.
>
>
>
>Jamie




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From: "Joel Thomas" prodigy.net>
Subject: Ford 9"
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:01:59 -0500



Will a ford 9" 3rd member from an early model bronco(Small style 66-77) fit my 9" assembly in my 84 F-150, are they the same splines?
also it has 3.50(he sais) but didn't all fords come with 3.55's??
can someone please give me the years with the different spline counts??
28 or 31??

Thanks,
Joel Thomas


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From: "Wallace A. Gustafson" intouchmail.net>
Subject: Fw: DISAPPEARING AND REAPPEARING GAS
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:48:58 -0700


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wallace A. Gustafson" intouchmail.net>
To: <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [80-96-list] DISAPPEARING AND REAPPEARING GAS


> Depending on the year of the vehicle -- There might be a NTSB Mandated
> Recall. Contact the Local Ford Dealer and have them run you VIN Thru
OASIS.
> It is a FREE repair.
>
> Wallace A. Gustafson
> Cobra Racing & Engineering
> 1991 Ford Mustang 5.0 LX Convertible (Cobra & Police Interceptor
> Modifications
> 1991 Ford F-150 XLT Lariat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Volz" ilhawaii.net>
> To: texas.net>
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:59 PM
> Subject: [80-96-list] DISAPPEARING AND REAPPEARING GAS
>
>
> >
> > < > > Over the past two years I have been having the problem with the dual
> > Fuel tanks where when you run out of gas in the front, switch to the
rear,
> run
> > Out of gas in the rear, switch back to the front and magically have half
a
> tank
> > Of gas again. Over the past month the front tank has been emptying more
> > Quickly in the front than before and the rear now stays fuller longer.>>
> >
> > If fuel migrates from one tank to the other (either way I believe) it's
> probably what Ford calls the fuel reservoir that is bad. It's really a
> hydraulic switch (valve) that functions when the selected fuel pump
> activates.
> >
> > My attention was caught when the charcoal canister filled up with
gasoline
> and truck would only idle.
> >
> > Further trouble shooting, starting with one full tank and the other near
> empty before bedtime and finding that fuel in the almost empty tank in the
> morning clinched it. Story is....our fuel today is gummy, gummier, :-)
> replacement from Ford parts counter has all the clips with it.
> >
> > We really shouldn't ever run our tanks dry !!!
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:33:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Peterson go.com>
Subject: Ethanol

Someone recently told me that running gasoline blended with ethanol in older vehicles (1990 and older) would harm the engine. I have been running it in my truck (86 300 I6) for 2 years now and it seems to run fine. Am I hurting my engine by doing this?

Gary

86 F-150 300 I6 4 sp. 4x4

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From: soffilercentraltools.com
Subject: Re: Ethanol
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:43:59 -0400

This is not the last word on ethanol-blend, but, I have heard of problems
with rubber parts that were used on older vehicles. The ethanol has
different solvent properties vs. petroleum, and some rubber materials that
are just dandy for gasoline are eaten up by alcohol. Depending on the
materials used, this could be a problem with things like rubber fuel lines,
rubber diaphragms in pumps and various parts of carburetors. Your '86 I-6
is carbureted, right? One thing I do not know is how rapidly the
degradation occurs. I suppose it is possible that you have ongoing slow
degradation of rubber fuel system parts right now.

Can anyone confirm or deny that Ford was using ethanol-compatible materials
back in 1986???

Finally, I don't think there is any need to worry about "engine damage" as
in melted pistons etc. The only thing I've ever heard is the fuel system
troubles. But that's not to be taken lightly. You don't want fuel spraying
around under your hood.

Steve Offiler
soffilercentraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's


> -----Original Message-----
> From: 80-96-list-bounceford-trucks.com
> [mailto:80-96-list-bounceford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Gary Peterson
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 4:34 PM
> To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Ethanol
>
>
> Someone recently told me that running gasoline blended with
> ethanol in older vehicles (1990 and older) would harm the
> engine. I have been running it in my truck (86 300 I6) for 2
> years now and it seems to run fine. Am I hurting my engine by
> doing this?
>
> Gary
>
> 86 F-150 300 I6 4 sp. 4x4
>
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From: kb9odg.markjuno.com
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:54:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Ford 9"

Joel, I can tell you that the EB spine count is 28 (because I have one).
And from what I've heard, the truck count is 31. I do also know that the
31 spine upgrade is very common. However, why would you want to put
something that old in your newer truck? Also, your driveshaft uses
different U-joints than the EB does. Therefore you would have to get a
new yoke to put on the 3rd member. What year Bronco? Did it have an
auto or manual, I-6 or V-8? This does matter, because some EB's did come
with 4.11 gears stock.

- Mark Reimers KB9ODG
'66 Bronco 170 I-6, 3-speed, 3.5" suspension lift, 3" body lift, 35"
tires ...
with an '88 5.0L and AOD waiting to go in!
'87 F-150 XLT 4x2 300 I-6, 4-speed, straight pipe ...

"Don't let go of that youthfull soul. Despite body and mind your youth
will never die." - Creed

> From: "Joel Thomas" prodigy.net>
> Subject: Ford 9"
> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:27:46 -0500
>
>
> Will a ford 9" 3rd member from an early model bronco(Small style
> 66-77) fit my 9" assembly in my 84 F-150, are they the same splines?
> also it has 3.50(he sais) but didn't all fords come with 3.55's??
> can someone please give me the years with the different spline
> counts??
> 28 or 31??
>
> Thanks,
> Joel Thomas
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________





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From: "Jason Derra" internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Ford 9"
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:49:47 -0700

The 3rd member will physically fit in your 9" housing. However, all early
Broncos came with 28 spline axles where most, if not all, of the full size
4WD pickups came with 31 spline axles. The early Broncos came with 3.50,
4.11, and 4.56 gearing. If it is indeed a 3.50 gear, it should work with no
problem in your pickup. The 3.50 geared Broncos had 3.54 gears in the front
ends.
Jason
'69 Bronco
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD

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Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 4:27 PM
Subject: [80-96-list] Ford 9"


>
> Will a ford 9" 3rd member from an early model bronco(Small style 66-77)
fit my 9" assembly in my 84 F-150, are they the same splines?
> also it has 3.50(he sais) but didn't all fords come with 3.55's??
> can someone please give me the years with the different spline counts??
> 28 or 31??
>
> Thanks,
> Joel Thomas
>
>
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From: "Mark Salvetti" mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Leaking Master Cylinder
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:35:46 -0400

>Just a guess. It might be the seal at the point where the fluid reservoir
>attaches to the hydraulic piston assembly.

Steve, thanks for the guess, but sounds like you're thinking of the modern
design with the plastic reservoir? Unfortunately, this is an old truck with
the one-piece steel master cylinder. The only seals are on the pistons and
actuator rod assembly.

Thanks again,

Mark Salvetti
1986 F150




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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:51:48 +1000
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Ethanol


Gary,

May I ask Why you are using Ethanol ?
Just to make sure we are talking about the same product, that is
mentholated spirits, alcohol, or the stuff wino's mix with orange juice
for a cheap 'hit'? and not to be confused with Methanol.

FWIW, I have been mucking around with and using up to 50/50 water
ethanol mix systems for close to 30 years with no problems at all
relating to the ethanol. The current system is water injection into a
propane fueled 351c, and so far not even the plastic water pump in the
water/ethanol supply bottle has given trouble.

Methanol is quite a different 'animal' ......

regards

Les


Gary Peterson wrote:
>
> Someone recently told me that running gasoline blended with ethanol in older vehicles (1990 and older) would harm the engine. I have been running it in my truck (86 300 I6) for 2 years now and it seems to run fine. Am I hurting my engine by doing this?
>
> Gary
>
> 86 F-150 300 I6 4 sp. 4x4

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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:45:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Radio problem

In a message dated 7/17/00 10:50:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
grallockix.netcom.com writes:

<< Have any of you seen this situation before? Suggestions? Where did
they hide this amp so I can give it a look?

Thanks

Steve Dyer >>

Steve,
On the 1994s the amp is up behind the radio on the cab side firewall of the
truck, a real PITA to get to. My suggestion would be to run new wires to the
speakers and hook them up to the new radio harness. That's how I did mine and
have had no problems since then.
Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html

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