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80-96-list Digest Mon, 21 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 014

In This Issue:
My Miserable Mileage
Re: Gear Change
Re: Nova Scotia Gas Prices
unlist me
FW: Gas prices
Gas Prices
Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6
Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6
Re: Speaking of Gear Ratios
Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6
Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6Problem
ADMIN: Re: C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe
A few thread answers
Re: Gas Price Thread
Re: Gas Price Thread
Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6Problem
Pinging
Re: Pinging
Re: Pinging
Re: High gas prices
Re: High gas prices
Re: 96 302
Re: 96 302
Looks like we're not the only ones pissed about the rise
Re: FW: Gas prices
Re: High gas prices
Re: High Gas Price Solution
Re: Parking It
how do i put myself on digest?
Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6Problem
Re: how do i put myself on digest?

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From: ADCSRWS aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:36:46 EST
Subject: My Miserable Mileage

Michael,
I have a 86 F-150 5L 2W drive long box AOD trans and 235 X 75 tires with
125000 miles.
I get 20 to 22 mpg at 60 - 65 mph on the freeway, 12 to 18 in normal driving
and 12 to 14 mpg pulling a 4500 # trailer.
The only changes I have made are the following:
1) K & N air filter (With only one trailer run in this configuration the
results are suspect but I had a lot more power and there was a 15% decrease
in fuel consumption)
2) Increased the Cat Back pipe diameter from 2" to 3 in.ID
3) Increase the Diff ratio from 3.54:1 to 3.73:1(Gave me about 83 RPM more at
60 MPH and a little better power curve.

Things to be aware of:
1) Keep your tires properly inflated. ( I use 42psi.)
2) make sure your brakes are releasing properly. (Drive up a very slight
grade at a slow speed. Shift to neutral and allow the truck to coast to a
stop. It should start to roll backwards immediately)
3) I have never found a sparkplug that would not cause a significant increase
in fuel consumption at 10 to 12 k miles. They look fine but cleaning and
regapping makes no difference This is true of all the vehicles I have owned
over the last 45 years.
4) Keep the sparkplug wires clean and well seperated.
Hang in there!
Dick in the Pacific North West

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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:40:54 -0800
Subject: Re: Gear Change
From: Joan and Walt Posluszny home.com>

Nelson, Unless you do a lot of high speed highway driving, I'd suggest going
to 3.73 or better yet 4.10's with 33 inch tires and the I6. Walt

> From: "Nelson Vasconcelos" mindspring.com>
> Subject: Ford F150 Gears
> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:16:45 -0500
>
> I have a 1989 Ford F150 300 L6 , 4sp/OD. It came stock with 3.08 gears. I'm
> now running 33-12.50-15 BFG AT's and I want to replace factory gears with
> approximately a 3.50 gear ratio.
> Thanks,
> Nelson
>


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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:42:31 -0800
Subject: Re: Nova Scotia Gas Prices
From: Joan and Walt Posluszny home.com>

John, taking into account the exchange rate between US and Canadian Dollars,
what does that make the price in US dollars? Walt
>
> From: "Bowman, John A" mtt.ca>
> Subject: Gas at $2.65 per Gallon!
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:03:16 -0400
>
> You think gas at $1.56 is expensive! I am paying about $2.56 per US gallon
> here in Nova Scotia, Canada. With my '83 F100's 302 drinking at a rate of
> 10 - 11 mpg in the winter it gets expensive! Unfortunately its my only
> transportation.
>
> *************************
> John Bowman,
> '83 F100, "Big Red"
> Nova Scotia
> Canada
> *************************


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Subject: unlist me
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:51:36 CST

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From: "Ferino, Chris" caremark.com>
Subject: FW: Gas prices
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:51:04 -0600


I've been lurking with interest on the latest gas prices thread, and you all
have it a bit cheaper. I'm in the suburban Chicago area, and I've seen
regular unleaded (87) prices anywhere from 1.499 to 1.679. (And that's for
REGULAR!) Add the requisite 10 cents for 89 grade, and 20 cents for 92/93
grade.

ObFord content - what a time for my '93 Bronco to have gas mileage problems.
I used to get 14-15 on average, and I'm now down in the 11-12 range. It's
costing me almost $50 a WEEK to run my truck! (It's 33 miles one way to
work.) I have another vehicle, but it's my toy, and I really don't think
I'd like to subject a freshly-painted '90 Mustang 5 liter hatchback to
Chicago winters (especially because it's a jet black paint job that you can
almost reach into, and I have *no* desire to have to repaint it after the
salt gets to it).

Contrary to some, I don't hold the local dealers responsible for this.
They're only responding to the charges from the distributors. (I can
remember a long time ago when I worked for a gas station shortly after
graduating from high school - we'd get automated calls every week or so with
the current pricing from the distributor). I hold the oil companies
squarely to blame for this. Case in point - I used to fill up on Fridays,
but I've switched to Wednesdays starting last week because I suspected the
local stations of jacking up their prices on the weekends. Good thing I did
- the local Thornton's jacked their prices for regular 22 CENTS overnight.
Went from 1.339 on Wednesday to 1.559 on Thursday. And of course, because
they did it, all the stations around changed theirs as well (within a cent
or two). Did the price of oil go up almost twenty percent? I don't think
so.

Something has to be done. If the price of oil per barrel falls in the next
few months as has been reported recently, do you think the oil companies
will lower their prices as quickly? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.

--Chris

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From: "Kevin Crandall" anv.net>
Subject: Gas Prices
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:59:54 -0800

Here in Las Vegas prices where I get gas range from $1.47 - $1.66.

Kevin


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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:11:01 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6

If it's getting in through the filler cap hose, it could be a blown gasket,
cracked head, or condensation. If it's a gasket/head problem, it's radiator
contents that would show up in the filter box.

If it's condensation, it's just that and the radiator will never have to be
re-filled.

If you consider the amount too much to be condensation, pull the valve cover.
Water leaves it mark every where.

If you have to fill the radiator regularly, you've made the right call. If the
radiator fluid stays constant, it's got to be condensation.

Unless of course you run off road and sink the front at least to fenders...then
all bets are off...;-)

Bob


Pat & Paula wrote:

> I > I've got a problem with my 84 F150 300 I-6, that I'm hoping some of you
> might
> > be able to give me some suggestions on. The problem is that I am finding
> > water/ condensation in the air cleaner. It's definitely water and not oil.
> > It is coming from the tube that hooks from the oil filler cap to the air
> > cleaner, because when I unhook the tube and run the truck, I don't find
> any
> > water in the air filter.
>
> I have the same problem,,,I posted it about a month ago however no one could
> help. Someone mentioned condensation was the culprit but I can't see that
> developing that much water. I am thinking along the lines of a head gasket
> leak. Are there any little beads of water on your dipstick??? Hope some
> one out there can help this time..
>
>

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From: MRStace84 aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:38:35 EST
Subject: Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6

In a message dated 2/21/00 4:10:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bobkennedy uswest.net writes:

<< If it's getting in through the filler cap hose, it could be a blown gasket,
cracked head, or condensation. If it's a gasket/head problem, it's radiator
contents that would show up in the filter box.

If it's condensation, it's just that and the radiator will never have to be
re-filled.

If you consider the amount too much to be condensation, pull the valve cover.
Water leaves it mark every where. >>


With my truck it is definitely condensation. I have a good mixture of
anitfreeze in my radiator, and there is not any antifreeze showing up in the
air cleaner box, and I never have to add any water to my cooling system.

Stacy
84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4

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From: "Nelson Vasconcelos" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Gear Ratios
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:20:40 -0500

Hi, If any one is thinking of changing their gears, check out www.4lo.com

They have great speed,gear ratio, tire, and RPM calculators set up for you
to use free of charge.

I found it easiest if you first know your stock tire height, new tire height
and old gear ratio to enter into the calculators.

See Ya,

Nelson


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From: MRStace84aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:02:26 EST
Subject: Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6

In a message dated 2/21/00 9:10:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, patk9csolve.net
writes:

<< I have the same problem,,,I posted it about a month ago however no one
could
help. Someone mentioned condensation was the culprit but I can't see that
developing that much water. I am thinking along the lines of a head gasket
leak. Are there any little beads of water on your dipstick??? Hope some
one out there can help this time..
>>


I checked it this evening after getting home from work. When I pull the
disptick with the engine running there are beads of water on the diptick.
Also with the tube unhooked from my air cleaner, there is a steady amount of
steam or possibly a mixture of mist and steam coming out of the tube. I
don't think it is head gasket related because I am not finding any anitfreeze
in the air cleaner housing. If I am able to determine a solution, I'll be
sure to pass it along.

Stacy Fisher
84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4

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From: "Pat & Paula" csolve.net>
Subject: Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6Problem
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:43:02 -0500

It sounds like head problems to me, either gasket or a crack. I would get
it repaired ASAP as antifreeze/water is the death knell for your bearings.
If you notice lower than usual or no oil pressure at idle then it is too
late.

Pat
>
> I checked it this evening after getting home from work. When I pull the
> disptick with the engine running there are beads of water on the diptick.



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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:10:15 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Re: C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe

This subscriber has been removed because he didn't have a
virus checker and now someone has infected him, plus the
virus attempted to email itself to our list. A person has
no business using email, much less a mailing list, if they
don't have virus protection.

As such, the attachment blocks in Listar correctly stripped
out the virus so there's nothing to worry about. Even so,
everyone should take the responsibility to protect their
system (ie, even though we block attachments, we can't 100%
guarantee it!)....

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Dave Harmier" pdq.net>
Subject: A few thread answers
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:02:51 -0600

Gas Price: A station I pass regularly is still 1.32 reg. for the third
day, the Major accross the street is 1.34.

Gears: Mine has 3.55, does 2000 at 70, or 2700-2800 out of od. It gets
about 13.5 whether "empty" or towing 3000 pounds... empty in od, towing in
the fat part of the power band at 2700-3000 rpm.

Propane: We had propane forklifts at an old job, and a current customer
works on them... NO THANKS!!!

Dave H.
Houston

(I still think we should secede!)
You might be a redneck if: Your kids are going hungry tonight because you
just HAD to have those Yosemite Sam mudflaps!!!



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From: "Mark Salvetti" mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Gas Price Thread
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:54:56 -0500

This gas price thread has been really interesting to me. I don't like
paying the current prices either ($1.42 for regular here in Boston), but
when we really get down to it, on average how much more are we spending on
gas a week? Maybe $5? Yet a number of people parking their trucks.

So here we are with real enthusiasts not driving their trucks because of a
gas price increase that's the equivalent of a pint of Guinness a week. If I
were one of the Big Three, I'd be pretty nervous. How much of their profits
come from trucks? A lot.

Based on the reaction on this list, it seems to me that the truck market is
much more sensitive to gas prices than I thought. Those annual profits are
just a Middle East crisis away from disappearing. It won't take much.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to tell people what they should be able
to afford. It's just that it could easily get much worse, and then what's
going to happen to all that manufacturing capacity?

Hang in there guys and gals.

Mark Salvetti
1986 F150 5.0L, about 14-17 mpg


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From: "Dennis Thompson" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Gas Price Thread
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:09:27 -0600


----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Salvetti mediaone.net>
>on average how much more are we spending on
> gas a week? Maybe $5? Yet a number of people parking their trucks.
> If I
> were one of the Big Three, I'd be pretty nervous. How much of their
profits
> come from trucks? A lot.
> Based on the reaction on this list, it seems to me that the truck market
is
> much more sensitive to gas prices than I thought. Those annual profits
are
> just a Middle East crisis away from disappearing.

Great!
If the mass public get turned off to big trucks and sell theirs and stop
buying, maybee the prices will drop enough for the real truck enthusiasts
like myself to finally be able to afford my dream truck.
( F350 Dually diesel crew cab )
Joe yuppy can go back to micro-sub-compact tinfoil crap. ( wich will fold up
when a REAL truck smacks into it )
I wasn't old enough to drive during the '70's fuel crisis, but every time
gas prices go up everybody freaks and I don't change my habits at all. ( I
also don't drive around unless I actualy have somewhere I need to go )

SPECTRE


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From: "Mike Persell" home.com>
Subject: Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6Problem
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:24:15 -0800

Two and a half years ago I had the identical problem. I changed to a 195 deg
thermostat and all the moisture went away, mileage improved, power went up.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: aol.com>
To: <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 4:02 PM
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300
I-6Problem


> In a message dated 2/21/00 9:10:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
patk9csolve.net
> writes:
>
> << I have the same problem,,,I posted it about a month ago however no one
> could
> help. Someone mentioned condensation was the culprit but I can't see
that
> developing that much water. I am thinking along the lines of a head
gasket
> leak. Are there any little beads of water on your dipstick??? Hope
some
> one out there can help this time..
> >>
>
>
> I checked it this evening after getting home from work. When I pull the
> disptick with the engine running there are beads of water on the diptick.
> Also with the tube unhooked from my air cleaner, there is a steady amount
of
> steam or possibly a mixture of mist and steam coming out of the tube. I
> don't think it is head gasket related because I am not finding any
anitfreeze
> in the air cleaner housing. If I am able to determine a solution, I'll be
> sure to pass it along.
>
> Stacy Fisher
> 84 F150 4x4
> 98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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> the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the body of the
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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:18:39 EST
Subject: Pinging

Gang,
OK!! I admit it..I get stumped too once in a while. And this one is a doosy!!!
As I have told you all, I just recently went to Florida and had my truck
tuned and dynod. After all said and done, truck ran great, no problems on or
off the nitrous. Even got better gas mileage, when I could stay off the happy
pedal.
So now to my dilemma. On Friday night, I really got into it on the freeway.
Lo and behold, anything above 3k rpms it started to detonate/ping. So fearing
the worst, kept it slow until I could check it. On Sunday, finally had time
to get into it. Checked timing- 10 degrees, checked all vacuum lines, checked
and cleaned EGR, checked fuel pressure-45 lbs no vacuum, checked
vacuum-10-13inch/lbs at idle (normal for the cam I have), ran a pressure test
on the cooling system-all good, checked all plugs-all same color/no hot
spots, checked oil pressure-35 lbs idle/65lbs 2000 rpm, no codes through the
EECIV either.
Do any of you see anything I missed? Anything else I need to check? As of the
writing of this mail it was still doing it.
HELP
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC

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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:49:16 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Pinging

Pinging at 3K or above only? Something is trying to shut you down. Almost a rev
limiter.
You run a fairly stroked machine, I'd look at the basics first. You may have a TFI
module winking at you.

Bob


FLR150aol.com wrote:

> Gang,
> OK!! I admit it..I get stumped too once in a while. And this one is a doosy!!!
> As I have told you all, I just recently went to Florida and had my truck
> tuned and dynod. After all said and done, truck ran great, no problems on or
> off the nitrous. Even got better gas mileage, when I could stay off the happy
> pedal.
> So now to my dilemma. On Friday night, I really got into it on the freeway.
> Lo and behold, anything above 3k rpms it started to detonate/ping. So fearing
> the worst, kept it slow until I could check it. On Sunday, finally had time
> to get into it. Checked timing- 10 degrees, checked all vacuum lines, checked
> and cleaned EGR, checked fuel pressure-45 lbs no vacuum, checked
> vacuum-10-13inch/lbs at idle (normal for the cam I have), ran a pressure test
> on the cooling system-all good, checked all plugs-all same color/no hot
> spots, checked oil pressure-35 lbs idle/65lbs 2000 rpm, no codes through the
> EECIV either.
> Do any of you see anything I missed? Anything else I need to check? As of the
> writing of this mail it was still doing it.
> HELP
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside SC
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From: FULSZBRONCaol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:04:59 EST
Subject: Re: Pinging

Hi Wayne,
Your pinging engine is a 5.0L, right? Did you check the plug wire routing
to make sure the wires for cylinders #7 & #8 weren't too close together
causing them to cross fire? (you know about that quirk, right?) If that's
not it, it may be time to get the propane bottle out and go looking for a
vacuum leak.
Alex

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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: High gas prices
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:43:02 -0500

> >with all this talk about the high gas prices, does anyone know why they
> >are going up? and does anyone know how high gas prices are in colorado
> >now? i'm going on vacation and would really like to know.
>
> They are going up because the OPEC nations are holding back on
> production to try and increase their profits. The demand is high,
> they have cut production so they can charge more.

Hmm ... maybe the U.S. needs to "hold back" on sending military
forces to the middle east to protect their arses ... after all, with the
exorbitant price of fuels, we can't afford to be flying those F-14's
and F-16's to enforce that "no-fly zone" over Iraq, and other such
measures of defending those ripoff artists from getting their hides
kicked by Saddam ....




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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:52:45 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: High gas prices

>> >with all this talk about the high gas prices, does anyone know why they
>> >are going up? and does anyone know how high gas prices are in colorado
>> >now? i'm going on vacation and would really like to know.
>>
>> They are going up because the OPEC nations are holding back on
>> production to try and increase their profits. The demand is high,
>> they have cut production so they can charge more.
>
>Hmm ... maybe the U.S. needs to "hold back" on sending military
>forces to the middle east to protect their arses ... after all, with the
>exorbitant price of fuels, we can't afford to be flying those F-14's
>and F-16's to enforce that "no-fly zone" over Iraq, and other such
>measures of defending those ripoff artists from getting their hides
>kicked by Saddam ....
>

They seem to have short memories. Unfortunately we do too.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:29:34 -0600
Subject: Re: 96 302

From: Self
To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: 96 302
Date sent: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:25:43 -0600

> > Hey all, I have a 96 F150 that I bought used with 78k on it. It now has
> > 82k on it and I have noticed what sounds to be, like valve train noise?
> > It almost sounds like a diesel sometime. The truck doesn't look at all
> > like it had a hard life. I am just curious if anybody else has this
> > expierienced this type of noise. I use 10w30, and the motorcraft filter
> > every 3k miles.
> > Thanks to a great newsgroup
> > Rich
>
> First, lets ID the noise. A lot of owners give this description when
> its actually pinging, detonation, preignition, etc. Next fill up, try
> super unleaded gas and see if the noise improves or goes away.
>
> Then we can attack the problem.


Danny
fitz011ev1.net

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:20:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Creston Dempsey yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 96 302

When I bought my 94 full size bronco with the 302 in
it there was an exaust leak in the rear of the engine
and it left a black burn area on the fire wall. The
also caused the engine to have a diesel sound to it.
It ended up just being a engine valve to replace
nothing big.
Creston Dempsey

--- Bob Kennedy uswest.net> wrote:
> Check your timing, does this happen at hard
> throttle? You may be a bit
> advanced on the timing.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Rich wrote:
>
> > Hey all, I have a 96 F150 that I bought used with
> 78k on it. It now has
> > 82k on it and I have noticed what sounds to be,
> like valve train noise?
> > It almost sounds like a diesel sometime. The truck
> doesn't look at all
> > like it had a hard life. I am just curious if
> anybody else has this
> > expierienced this type of noise. I use 10w30, and
> the motorcraft filter
> > every 3k miles.
> > Thanks to a great newsgroup
> > Rich
> >
>
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From: "Troy" yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:59:42 -0500
Subject: Looks like we're not the only ones pissed about the rise

Hehehe, figured that some of ya'll might get a kick out of this one.

Found at Yahoo! news.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000222/ts/energy_trucks_1.html

Tuesday February 22 9:29 AM ET
Hundreds of Truckers Set to Block
Washington
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Hundreds of U.S. truckers are expected
to snarl traffic in downtown Washington on Tuesday to protest a steep
rise in diesel fuel and higher insurance costs.
Police said they expected up to 400 trucks to rumble into the capital
starting at around 10 a.m. Most of the trucks are set to park on the
Mall, the vast open space in central Washington, while the drivers attend
a rally. A few are set to be escorted to Capitol Hill.
Several streets in the capital were closed to regular traffic and gridlock
was expected until the end of the day despite police efforts.
``We hope to have them in the city after morning rush hour and out of
the city before evening rush hour,'' city police spokesman Sgt. Joseph
Gentile said.
The Washington protests follow similar ones in Miami last week over
soaring fuel and insurance costs. In Canada, hundreds of truckers
blocked major roads and disrupted traffic on Monday.
Truckers gathered in Jessup, Maryland, and were driving south along
Interstate 95 toward the city. Others were waiting at roadside stops to
join the convoy, local television stations reported.
U.S. Capitol Police said the truckers had applied for a demonstration
permit for outside the west side of the Congress building from 2 p.m. to
4 p.m. The House of Representatives was not in session on Tuesday,
and the Senate was due to meet at 11 a.m.
Police said they hoped to have the truckers out of the city and into
Virginia by 3 p.m.
The U.S. Energy Department reported last week that the average
national price for diesel fuel was $1.46 a gallon. Diesel prices in New
England were the most expensive at $1.93 a gallon and cheapest along
the Gulf Coast at $1.39


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From: "Troy" yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:24:11 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: Gas prices

On 21 Feb 00, at 14:51, Ferino, Chris wrote:

>ObFord content - what a time for my '93 Bronco to have gas mileage problems.
>I used to get 14-15 on average, and I'm now down in the 11-12 range. It's
>costing me almost $50 a WEEK to run my truck! (It's 33 miles one way to
>work.) I have another vehicle, but it's my toy, and I really don't think
>I'd like to subject a freshly-painted '90 Mustang 5 liter hatchback to
>Chicago winters (especially because it's a jet black paint job that you can
>almost reach into, and I have *no* desire to have to repaint it after the
>salt gets to it).

You're not the only one that is noticing a reduction in gas mileage.
Back a year ago, my truck used to be able to go a full week,
driving between 20 and 30 miles a day on half a tank of gas that
only ran me around $10 to fill up. Now my truck is getting around
16 miles a day put on it through a regular week, now it's using up
about 3/4 of the tank..... Wonder if it's being watered down or
something to increase consumption.........

>Contrary to some, I don't hold the local dealers responsible for this.
>They're only responding to the charges from the distributors. (I can
>remember a long time ago when I worked for a gas station shortly after
>graduating from high school - we'd get automated calls every week or so with
>the current pricing from the distributor). I hold the oil companies
>squarely to blame for this. Case in point - I used to fill up on Fridays,
>but I've switched to Wednesdays starting last week because I suspected the
>local stations of jacking up their prices on the weekends. Good thing I did

I haven't noticed that. They have stayed the same for the most
part. I hold the oil companies responsible as well. But I am
protesting in my own way, driving less which means that I am
spending less money at the pumps.

If it hurts the gas stations, then I'm sorry, but I think everyone will
agree with me. We have to watch out for our own wallets.

>Something has to be done. If the price of oil per barrel falls in the next
>few months as has been reported recently, do you think the oil companies
>will lower their prices as quickly? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.

I know they are not going to lower it that quickly. They're going to
milk it for as much as they can. But they'd better do something
quick, 'cause I hear a lot of people that are getting ROYALLY
pissed.

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birthday. - Jeff Foxworthy


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From: "Troy" yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:24:11 -0500
Subject: Re: High gas prices

On 22 Feb 00, at 1:43, Serian wrote:

>Hmm ... maybe the U.S. needs to "hold back" on sending military
>forces to the middle east to protect their arses ... after all, with the
>exorbitant price of fuels, we can't afford to be flying those F-14's
>and F-16's to enforce that "no-fly zone" over Iraq, and other such
>measures of defending those ripoff artists from getting their hides
>kicked by Saddam ....

I think this is going to turn into a political issue. :)

I'll not go too much into detail on my opinions, but I think we might
get some leverage if we just stopped driving as much. Maybe try
and carpool a little more, maybe start using more fuel efficient
vehicles if we have one. My F-150 as parked through the weekend
and is parked today. Gas oughta last quite a while this week. :)

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your relatives. - Jeff Foxworthy


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From: "Troy" yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:24:11 -0500
Subject: Re: High Gas Price Solution

On 21 Feb 00, at 1:06, Blake Malkamaki wrote:

>>That ain't a bad idea. I think a better solution is to beat them at
>>their own game. Maybe propane or other energy sources... Let
>>'em keep their damn oil.
>
>One of the most promissing crude oil alternatives on the horizon is
>biodiesel made from soy bean oil. This would help improve our farm economy
>too.

Hmmmm, haven't heard of that one yet. Do you have a web
address where someone can go read up on it? Thanks.

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From: "Troy" yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:24:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Parking It

On 20 Feb 00, at 18:52, Larry wrote:

>Troy, I have no idea about the availability of someone to do the changeover,
>but I work for a transit system that used to use propane in their buses. The
>one thing I can tell you is that there were many studies done when we
>converted back in the mid 70's. It was determined that the tanks held up much
>better than gas tanks, and that the chance of explosion was actually reduced
>when compared to gasoline engines... especially certain years of Ch**y and
>G*C trucks.. Our problem came from the requirement of running hundreds of
>large vehicles for lots of stop and go miles. Propane was a problem for
>maintenance which is one of the reasons why we went back to diesel. We did
>have a few engine fires, but that was poor design and inadequate maintenance.
>Even then, we never had an explosion.

Hmmmm. I'm looking into the alternative fuel vehicles myself. If it
would be possible to switch to gasoline for long trips where I might
be away from a propane filling station, then switch to propane for
regular driving, I would change. I haven't seen any such system
yet.

Anyway, what additional maintenance is required with propane?

>Myself, I'll stick with gasoline for convenience sake. Finding propane and
>then making sure the person doing the fueling knows what he/she is doing is a
>whole other problem.

There are a couple propane filling stations here in town.


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From: DTrowbridgewebtv.net (David Trowbridge)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:05:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: how do i put myself on digest?

i know Ken has posted instructions on this a little while back, but i
didn't realize i would be away from home for about a week and i am
stupid like that. so does anyone still have the instructions on how to
put yourself on digest mode? thanx......

David
85 F-150 300 I6


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6Problem
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:45:50 -0500

Check your PCV Valve,it may need replaced.
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From: MRStace84aol.com aol.com>
To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:08 PM
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300
I-6Problem


>In a message dated 2/21/00 9:10:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
patk9csolve.net
>writes:
>
><< I have the same problem,,,I posted it about a month ago however no one
>could
> help. Someone mentioned condensation was the culprit but I can't see
that
> developing that much water. I am thinking along the lines of a head
gasket
> leak. Are there any little beads of water on your dipstick??? Hope
some
> one out there can help this time..
> >>
>
>
>I checked it this evening after getting home from work. When I pull the
>disptick with the engine running there are beads of water on the diptick.
>Also with the tube unhooked from my air cleaner, there is a steady amount
of
>steam or possibly a mixture of mist and steam coming out of the tube. I
>don't think it is head gasket related because I am not finding any
anitfreeze
>in the air cleaner housing. If I am able to determine a solution, I'll be
>sure to pass it along.
>
>Stacy Fisher
>84 F150 4x4
>98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:45:08 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: how do i put myself on digest?

At 12:05 PM 2/22/00 -0600, you wrote:
>i know Ken has posted instructions on this a little while back, but i
>didn't realize i would be away from home for about a week and i am
>stupid like that. so does anyone still have the instructions on how to
>put yourself on digest mode? thanx......
>
>David
>85 F-150 300 I6

Send a message to listarford-trucks.com with the
following in the subject:

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