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80-96-list Digest Sun, 09 Jul 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 133

In This Issue:
Re: Maui
Re: Maui
ADMIN: Pictorial updates
Re: Dying Battery?
Re: gas mileage
Re: homemade cold air intake?
Re: Dying battery


From: "Larry Volz">
Subject: Re: Maui
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:21:02 -1000


Violated the car rental agreement 3 yrs. ago on Maui and almost paid the price. Dizzy Dame was driving a really big rig and taking her share out of the middle. I was to busy climbing the bank on our side to identify what she was driving. I pray she wet herself :-) This was after Hana, going clockwise


Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:04:39 -0700
From: chuck sanborn>
Subject: Re: Maui

At 08:21 AM 7/9/00 -1000, you wrote:
>This was after Hana, going clockwise
Good thing you were going in THAT direction....


Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 17:39:40 -0400
From: Ken Payne>
Subject: ADMIN: Pictorial updates

The Ford Truck Enthusiasts Picture Gallery has been

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Super Duty XLT, 2001 F350 Super Duty Lariat, and
2001 F150 Supercrew.

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Subject: Re: Dying Battery?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:01:25 -0400

I guess I'll jump in with a quick story. Hope this relates to the problem.

I had a '92 Explorer that developed an intermittent slow-cranking problem,
which evolved from intermittent into constant, then became a plain old
no-start. Let's see, this was about 1995, and the vehicle had about 50K on

I traced the problem to battery cable corrosion. The interesting thing is
that the corrosion occurred INSIDE the lug-terminal, where lead is supposed
to meet copper. There was no outward sign whatsoever. I caught it by doing
a careful voltage-drop measurement, which told me the ground cable had high
resistance. So I replaced it (and ALWAYS clean up all the mating parts on
both ends... corrosion is an insidious thing). The truck was back to
normal, so I started cutting up the old cable looking for the bad spot.
Found it, as I said above, underneath the lead. I made a section cut
straight through the lug-terminal and you could see the shiny lead, then a
blue layer of corrosion, then the shiny copper inside. Frankly, it's just
amazing that (a) corrosion would grow in there and (b) that tiny layer was
enough to hold back several hundred amps.

Steve Offiler
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's


Subject: Re: gas mileage
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:22:44 -0400



I'm still skeptical about 24-25 mpg on the F150, but PURE highway can return
some surprising mileage. My '92 Explorer was good for about 16.5-17 mpg in
normal combined driving, but returned 22mpg on long road-trips running 65-70
mph with some A/C. Now, if you took that F150 on a long BORING trip and ran
down the right lane at 50 mph, you might actually see that sort of mpg. But
it would not be the kind of thing you see routinely.

Steve Offiler
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> []On Behalf Of Jason Derra
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 1:45 AM
> To:
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: gas mileage
> The reason I am asking isn't important. I got into a
> discussion with a guy
> at work the other day. He claimed he got somewhere around
> 24-25 MPG on the
> highway with this pickup. I didn't see how it could be done.
> Your replies
> pretty much go with approx what I had in mind. Thanks
> Jason
> '69 Bronco
> '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 8:40 AM
> Subject: [80-96-list] Re: gas mileage
> > > > Subject vehicle: 93ish F150 4x4, Ext cab shortbed, 302, 5
> > > >speed, 3.55 gears. What kind of mileage could be expected
> > > >with this setup?
> > > > Jason
> > > > '69 Bronco 5.0 EFI
> > > > '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD
> >
> > Fuel economy varies a LOT based upon:
> >
> > * driving habits (leadfoot? lightfoot?)
> > * your terrain (Colorado? Kansas?)
> > * your climate (cold=thick fluids=poor mpg; hot=A/C=poor mpg)
> > * optional equipment (the guy with the Mudders that gets 11mpg)
> > * your mix of city and highway driving
> > * load (always carrying sacks of cement? 500lb of tools?)
> > * etc.
> >
> > With all of that said, I would hazard a guess that a 302 w/
> 5-spd and
> > 3.55's, driven pretty easy, on stock tires, with about
> 50/50 city and
> > highway, in mostly flat terrain, would return about 16 mpg.
> >
> > For comparison, my '97 F250HD with 351, E4OD automatic,
> 4.10 axle (heavier
> > truck, bigger engine, auto trans, steeper axle ratio) gives
> 13mpg winter
> and
> > 14mpg summer.
> >
> >
> > Steve Offiler
> >
> > '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's
> >
> >
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Subject: Re: homemade cold air intake?
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:29:41 -0400

Aluminum foil as insulation does okay if the heat-transfer is all radiant.
(Think of the glowing red coils of a toaster, this is radiant heat.)
Underhood, heat transfer is an combination of radiation and convection.
(Convection is warm moving air, think of a hair dryer). IMO very close to
the exhaust manifolds is the only place you'll find significant radiation.
Aluminum foil won't do much for convection - insulating against convection
needs a dead-air blanket layer, like the way house insulation works.

Steve Offiler
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 10:19 AM
> To: ford
> Subject: [80-96-list] homemade cold air intake?
> Has anyone done this to there engine? What is all involved in
> it? I would
> think just wrap the incoming air intake hoses to the throttle
> body with some
> heat reflective stuff? Although i don't think it would work,
> using just
> plain old aluminum foil wrapped around it keeps popping into
> my head. would
> it work?
> as usual all questions and no answers.
> DK
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From: "Dennis">
Subject: Re: Dying battery
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:15:40 -0700

Greeting from a former Connie sailor, I served on the Constellation from 90'
to 93'. My 89' F250 had a similar problem, turned out to be a bad positive
battery cable. If it only happens after the truck is warmed up it could be
thermal problem with the starter. I doubt motor gum would be bad ehough to
hold it back like that. Good Luck



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