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Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list 80-96-list); Sun, 09 Jul 2000 09:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 09:21:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 80-96-list digest users Reply-to: 80-96-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 80-96-list Digest V2000 #132 Precedence: list ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 80-96-list Digest Sat, 08 Jul 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 132 In This Issue: Re: gas mileage Rear suspension upgrading Re: Dying Battery Re: Dying Battery? Re: Clutch Master Cylinder EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START Truck dies while driving update:truck turns off while driving Re: Truck dies while driving Re: 1995 F-150 starting Re: gas mileage homemade cold air intake? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Glynn" Subject: Re: gas mileage Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:03:50 -0500 I have a 1994 F-150 302 automatic overdrive, 3.55 gears, locking differential, 4 x 4, and I regularly get 15.5 to 16.5 MPG. Heavy or light foot still in that range with about 80% highway miles. When it goes in 4 x 4 in the winter even on the interstate doing 65+ I get around 14. Towing in drive with 6500 lbs. Behind me I'll get 12 to 14. Mike Glynn Carrollton, IL ------------------------------ From: Okbimmer aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:34:03 EDT Subject: Rear suspension upgrading Hello all, I have an '83 F100 SW with a 300-6 auto and I need some advice on beefing up the rear suspension. I believe the F100 was rated at 1/4 ton capacity and it certainly shows, I use this pretty much as a hauling truck for umber hay etc. I want to tow a small two horse trailer loaded with one horse for short trips but this suspention is just too weak. Any ideas or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dennis 83 F100 92 Explorer 84 BMW 318i ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:49:06 -0700 From: Marv & Marge Subject: Re: Dying Battery Scott Obert > Maybe a bad connection or something is causing more strain on my battery. > I don't even know how old the battery is. What do you think? With this as intermittent as you describe, I think you may have a battery with an internal intermittent "open" in a lead buss bar. Sometimes the battery is just fine, other times it's like a dead battery. The internal lead "bars" that connect the cells together in series sometimes fail, and though the individual cells are all fully charged, the battery is no longer serviceable. Worse yet, this is the condition that lends itself to batteries doing the explosive self- destruct thing. For the price of a new battery, I wouldn't chance the acid-spray-under-the-hood- explosion. It's real messy, leaves the under-hood wiring prone to long-term intermittant problems, eats the paint and sheet metal, really attacks any aluminum there, and is just plain dangerous if you happen to be standing over it when it decides "it's time". Something to think about. -Marv- ------------------------------ From: "Mark Salvetti" Subject: Re: Dying Battery? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:50:29 -0400 Hi Scott. My vote is with Jim Cannon; a bad connection. Is your positive battery cable to the solenoid short and just about bent double? I've had to replace that twice, the second time the corrosion was internal and not obvious. Caused the same kind of intermittent starting and apparent dead battery problems you're seeing. If you're still wondering about the battery, you could get it tested for free at Sears or a parts store. Are you stationed on the Constellation? My truck was originally purchased by a machinists mate on the USS America, CV-66. Good luck! Mark Salvetti 1986 F150 5.0L ------------------------------ From: "Mark Salvetti" Subject: Re: Clutch Master Cylinder Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:04:21 -0400 Steve Pannasch wrote: >1984 F-150 2 wd 302 V-8 3-speed >I have to push my clutch pedal hard into the floor to make it so I can put the truck in reverse, and unless I wait about 30 >seconds I get some pretty good grinding while the clutch is spinning down. The pedal adjustment where it connects to the >master cylinder clutch rod is correct. Thinking maybe that I had a problem with the slave I decided to replace it. The book(Haynes) calls for a one piece unit, master to slave, which is what is on the truck now. Steve, the Haynes is wrong. I was able to buy separate pieces for my 1986 F150, 2WD, 302, 4-spd. There should be a roll pin on the slave that fastens the line from the master cylinder. Be aware that I replaced the slave first, but I ended up having to replace the clutch master too. At least in part because the rod on my factory (?) master wasn't adjustable, and I had to extend the rod to work with the new slave. If difficulty engaging reverse is your only symptom, try pushing in the clutch and engage a forward gear before reverse. You don't let the clutch out, just put it in second and then reverse. This will stop the spinning in the transmission and allow you to engage reverse without crunching. I'm in the habit of doing this in any manual transmission. I replaced my slave because it was difficult to engage/disengage first. There was enough clutch drag that with the clutch pushed to the floor and the transmission in first, the truck would roll forward slowly on a level surface. If your's isn't this bad, maybe you can avoid hydraulic replacement. New slave cylinders are brutal to bleed (at least mine was). You aren't supposed to bench bleed them like a brake master. I added fluid with an eye dropper, and when it was full I covered the opening and shook it. Then I added more fluid. Took about 30 minutes before I couldn't get in any more fluid and I decided it was fully bled. Hope this helps. Mark Salvetti 1986 F150 5.0L ------------------------------ From: "Larry Volz" Subject: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:39:23 -1000 Finally got a reman PCM from Blue Streak in Boca Ratan. FL and before changing it out we took a drive of 164 miles to get a base line MPG. It came up 18.08. Changed out the PCM and she does start promptly now so filled the tank again and took the same trip again and we got 19.01 Thank you all for the help, Larry, 89 F-150, 302 EFI, 3.55 axle, long bed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 14:10:25 -0700 From: chuck sanborn Subject: Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START At 09:39 AM 7/8/00 -1000, you wrote: >before changing it out we took a drive of 164 miles to get a base line MPG. Heheh, when I would take a trip like that on Maui I would circle the entire island! ------------------------------ From: "Monte Austin" Subject: Truck dies while driving Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 15:36:50 -0700 I have a 82 F100 with 4.9L and 3 speed manual. The problem is that it will up and die while I am driving it. It happens in town at 25mph, on the freeway at 65mph and any speed in between. It will start back up if I wait for the battery light to come on and then use the starter. But if I try to start by letting the clutch back out while coasting, it backfires. Also, I am starting to notice a rattle in my transmission that only happens while the truck is moving. Both with and without the clutch engaged. While sitting at a stop, no noise. Any help much appreciated Monte ------------------------------ From: "cyber9" Subject: update:truck turns off while driving Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:30:08 -0500 yea a couple of weeks ago i wrote here about a problem i had with my 1990,F150,302,super cab, someone suggested that it might be vapor lock,some said that replace the fuel pumps, well after taking to mechanice the next day, i got the truck back in 3 days, the mechanic check the computer codes over and over again until the computer started to give some codes, he then replaced the Magnetic coil pickup sensor, the coolent sensor and finally the oxygen sensor,charged me 125.00. Ive gotten the truck back and it works great ive had it run up and down through highways,ranches and so far no problem with the truck. thanks Eddie San Miguel ------------------------------ From: FULSZBRONC aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:44:05 EDT Subject: Re: Truck dies while driving If I were to hazard a SWAG (scientific-wild-a**-guess), I'd say your DuraSpark ignition module was defective.... assuming all of the under-hood wiring and connectors are good, and the cap and rotor are in good shape. Your '82 likely has the blue strain-relief module (which is inexpensive) that sometimes fails as you described. As for you noisy transmission, have you checked your u-joints lately? Best bet is to drop the drive shaft to check them. Alex << I have a 82 F100 with 4.9L and 3 speed manual. The problem is that it will up and die while I am driving it. It happens in town at 25mph, on the freeway at 65mph and any speed in between. It will start back up if I wait for the battery light to come on and then use the starter. But if I try to start by letting the clutch back out while coasting, it backfires. >> ------------------------------ From: "Dave Harmier" Subject: Re: 1995 F-150 starting Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:46:59 -0500 My '92 (the first with the Mopar type high speed starters) got to a similar condition. Turns out my starter was drawing WAY too many amps. A new one along with my roughly 18 month old Duralast Gold (Autozone) battery fixed her right up. Food for thought. Dave H. 90 F-350 Crew Diesel Knapheide Service Body/ Tommy Lift (The Beast) 91 F-150 Super 5.8 Tommy Lift (Dads) 92 F-150 Super 5.0 Crossbed Toolbox (Sisters) ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" Subject: Re: gas mileage Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:45:11 -0700 The reason I am asking isn't important. I got into a discussion with a guy at work the other day. He claimed he got somewhere around 24-25 MPG on the highway with this pickup. I didn't see how it could be done. Your replies pretty much go with approx what I had in mind. Thanks Jason '69 Bronco '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 8:40 AM Subject: [80-96-list] Re: gas mileage > > > Subject vehicle: 93ish F150 4x4, Ext cab shortbed, 302, 5 > > >speed, 3.55 gears. What kind of mileage could be expected > > >with this setup? > > > Jason > > > '69 Bronco 5.0 EFI > > > '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD > > Fuel economy varies a LOT based upon: > > * driving habits (leadfoot? lightfoot?) > * your terrain (Colorado? Kansas?) > * your climate (cold=thick fluids=poor mpg; hot=A/C=poor mpg) > * optional equipment (the guy with the Mudders that gets 11mpg) > * your mix of city and highway driving > * load (always carrying sacks of cement? 500lb of tools?) > * etc. > > With all of that said, I would hazard a guess that a 302 w/ 5-spd and > 3.55's, driven pretty easy, on stock tires, with about 50/50 city and > highway, in mostly flat terrain, would return about 16 mpg. > > For comparison, my '97 F250HD with 351, E4OD automatic, 4.10 axle (heavier > truck, bigger engine, auto trans, steeper axle ratio) gives 13mpg winter and > 14mpg summer. > > > Steve Offiler > soffiler centraltools.com> '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's > > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe: > http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > > ------------------------------ From: 2insane excite.comDate: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: homemade cold air intake? Has anyone done this to there engine? What is all involved in it? I would think just wrap the incoming air intake hoses to the throttle body with some heat reflective stuff? Although i don't think it would work, using just plain old aluminum foil wrapped around it keeps popping into my head. would it work? as usual all questions and no answers. DK _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ------------------------------ End of 80-96-list Digest V2000 #132 *********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Send posts to 80-96-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. 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