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80-96-list Digest Fri, 23 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 120
In This Issue:
I-6 Engine light on/off
'85 Bronco XLT
Re: I-6 Engine light on/off
Re: I-6 Engine light on/off
ADMIN: Web site updates
Did I miss a digest?
Manual for the 85 Ford Trucks
Re: Manual for the 85 Ford Trucks
E40D Tranny: Shift Kit and Shudder
Excessive cranking on a cold start
From: Marvin Meyer
Subject: I-6 Engine light on/off
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:18:09 -0400
I'm not too familiar with FI systems yet, I know some of the components but not all.
When parked and idling if I move the throttle very slightly 1/8 of an inch or so the engine bogs, doesn't stall.
under a steady cruise at 20Mph or 55 mph the light comes on. if I let off the gas or lean into it the light goes off
runs very smooth under load and idle. Ran fuel Injection cleaner through it no difference.
Is there a mass air or Map sensor going and if so where is it.
Purchased a new O2 sensor, not installed yet.
Thnxs Marvin Meyer
From: "Randy Selby"
Subject: '85 Bronco XLT
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:41:08 -0500
Fixing up an '85 Bronco XLT, with a 351W 4V HO motor. Anything special about this engine? It has a double pump Holley that looks to be original. Thanks.
'85 Bronco XLT
'50 F-1 w/flathead - almost done
'50 F-1 - Son's future streetrod
From: soffiler centraltools.com
Subject: Re: I-6 Engine light on/off
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:52:59 -0400
I'm not a fullblown electronic fuel injection expert either, but I have some
understanding of how the systems work.
First, there are ways to check for stored trouble codes in the computer. A
scan tool will get you there, but they're not in the typical shadetree tool
box. Many (most? all?) older systems had a way to get the codes that entail
jumpering a couple of leads in a particular connector underdash, then
watching a pattern of flashing lights (sometimes the check engine light
itself, sometimes an LED on the computer, etc). You need a shop manual to
find out exactly how to pull codes on your particular vehicle, and what
those codes mean.
Now, guessing here, it sounds to me like a couple of likely candidates are
either your O2 sensor or the throttle position sensor.
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [80-96-list] I-6 Engine light on/off
> I'm not too familiar with FI systems yet, I know some of the
> components but not all.
> When parked and idling if I move the throttle very slightly
> 1/8 of an inch or so the engine bogs, doesn't stall.
> under a steady cruise at 20Mph or 55 mph the light comes on.
> if I let off the gas or lean into it the light goes off
> runs very smooth under load and idle. Ran fuel Injection
> cleaner through it no difference.
> Is there a mass air or Map sensor going and if so where is it.
> Purchased a new O2 sensor, not installed yet.
> Thnxs Marvin Meyer
> To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with
> the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the
From: soffiler centraltools.com
Subject: Re: Tailgate?
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:05:56 -0400
> JC Whitney currently has the 80-86 F100-F350 tailgate for
> $58.95 ( part #
> 81TZ9450P). With shipping taht comes to a max. of $73.40
> assuming you're in
> the lower 48 somewhere. Why buy used?
Ugh. For that money there is no doubt it's Tiawanese sheetmetal. Got one
of those right now, and it's the reason I'm in the market. The Oriental
stuff is complete, utter crap. After about 3-4 years, this tailgate is
falling apart. Not rusting; I mean the spotwelds are letting go, and the
areas around the hinge-points have almost completely collapsed. The
sheetmetal is markedly thinner than a Ford original gate, and the
Ford-recommended max load of 500lb would turn this thing into a ball of
crumpled tinfoil. It may sound abused, but this truck belongs to my
mother-in-law and lives out on Nantucket, seeing maybe 2000 miles a year
running to the beach, the dump, etc.
Let this be a warning to anyone in the market for a tailgate: buy original
Ford, either new or salvage, or if you're frugal then just go ahead and fit
a piece of plywood. Stay away from the imports!
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's (mine)
'85 F250 4x4, 351, C6?, 3.55's (mother-in-law's) 71K original miles!
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:23:13 -0700
From: chuck sanborn
Subject: Re: I-6 Engine light on/off
At 08:18 AM 6/23/00 -0400, you wrote:
>When parked and idling if I move the throttle very slightly 1/8 of an inch
>or so the engine bogs, doesn't stall.
I will re-iterate this again, When I was having problems with my trucks
computer I downloaded a book from
this address: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dalidesign.com/hbook/hb6.html
It is a great book for your problems. And if that isn't enough, the
author, Jeff Thorsell, says to e-mail him with
any questions you may have....and he means it. Since I am kinda dense with
this newer automotive stuff
(computers) I needed complete clarification on some points. He spent
nearly all of one week-end e-mailing
back and forth with me to get my problems solved.
Can't recommend the book enough. There are also sample download pages at
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:44:11 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Web site updates
The following updates have been made to the Ford Truck
Enthusiasts web site (www.ford-trucks.com):
Pictorial updates (links to each picture on main site
-1970 F100 Custom
-1969 F100 Ranger
-1965 F250 Camper Special
News updates (found in news section on left side of
main site page):
- Army truck technology pact sealed in Louisville; lighter,
more fuel-efficient trucks is project goal
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: Did I miss a digest?
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:08:04 -0500
My server (mail) was down last night. I usually get digest from overnite
the next evening.
Did I miss v2000#118???
Could someone forward it to dharmier nospampdq.net (remove nospam!)
THANKS in Advance!!!!
From: "The Casey's"
Subject: Manual for the 85 Ford Trucks
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:33:30 -0700
Does anyone make factory manual reprints the the 85 Ford trucks or does
anyone know a good place to look for them Thanks
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:19:24 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: Manual for the 85 Ford Trucks
At 17:33 23-06-00 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anyone make factory manual reprints the the 85 Ford trucks or does
>anyone know a good place to look for them Thanks
There are many dealers in auto literature out there. Check out Hemmings
(This is a fantastic resource for anything related to cars or trucks.)
The guy my dad and I have used for years is Bob Johnson:
We have always been pleased with his quality for the price. He has been in
this business a long time. He really knows his stuff. He does not
misrepresent what he offers. I seldom recommend companies to others, but I
can recommend him without reservation.
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
From: "Al Powell"
Subject: E40D Tranny: Shift Kit and Shudder
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:39:18 -0600
Friends, I recently had a Trans-Go SK E40D-A shift kit put in my '93 F-150
with 351 engine and E40D tranny. The result is a transmission which no
longer has the mushy shifts, but neither is it harsh or snappy. The cost
was about $300 for the install, as it requires pulling the valve body. I
had Amsoil synthetic ATF put in the tranny for the refill, which ran up the
bill a bit. I am very pleased with the crisper shifts as compared to the
previous (mushy stock) situation. I recommend this kit as a good solution.
Mileage on this pickup is 110K. About 2,000 miles after the shift kit
install, I started experiencing some shudder from the tranny, primarily when
in overdrive and under load. Often, lifting the throttle for a moment and
then accelerating again would stop the shudder, but not under really heavy
This week I called the VERY good tranny shop which did the work (they also
rebuilt the audomatic in my wife's Audi 200, and did a super job) and asked
if there was any help for the shudder. I've read about similar problems in
this group and thought it was worth asking.
Steve Choquette, the owner of the shop, Top Quality Transmission in Denver
(1-303-853-0018) recommended an additive they have often used for this
problem, called "Dr. Tranny's Instant Shudder Fixx" (made by International
Lubricants, Inc., Seattle, WA). They sent me a dose for my E40D.
I received the package and opened it - and there was a single 2-ounce red
plastic tube containing the "stuff". I thought "How can this tube-full do
anything to 17 quarts of ATF?"...but got a funnel and poured it in. Result:
the shudder is GONE. It improved considerably within a mile of driving, and
after a 60-mile road trip today, I can say it is gone, gone, gone. I don't
know this stuff changed the qualities of the fluid or soothed the affected
clutches, but I'm happy and convinced. I sent them back a check immediately
(under $10) with my thanks.
In general, I am not a fan of oil or tranny lube additives of any kind. I
figure if it needed to be in there, the lubricant manufacturer would have
put it in, and I don't want to screw up the chemistry of the lubricants
(especially since I run all synthetics in my vehicles). But THIS STUFF
WORKED, and fast.
If anyone has a similar shudder problem, I recommend a call to Top Quality
Transmission at the phone number noted above. I asked, and they will be
glad to ship a dose of the stuff to list-members on request. Pretty cheap
solution if it works for you.
I have no commercial interest in this shop, just giving credit where it's
Fort Collins, CO
'58 Fiat 1200 Spyder "Transformabile"
'83 Datsun 280ZXT
'90 Audi 200
'93 F-150 4X4
New email address: powellae home.com
From: SlamedF150 aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:26:25 EDT
what is the horse power rating for my 87 f-150 302 auto
Subject: Excessive cranking on a cold start
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:54:46 -1000
Thanks for the come back Jason Derra & Chuck Sanborn.
After doing most of the basics W/O a manual I was forced to go to the
dealer. The vehicle is still running, just not running right. They ran the
codes (confirmed excessive cranking) and then subbed a "GOOD" PCM and the
problem went away.
Now I need to know the location of the PCM on an 89 F-150 302 EFI and what
constitutes a quality after market or reman PCM and is this plug and play
Larry Volz.........Peoples Republic of Hawaii.......lived in Torrance in
Subject: Buying Questions...
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:19:48 -0400
I've been lurking in here a week or so and I would like to buy a Ford
truck in the near future. So, I have some questions that I hope some
of you here can answer for me...Here goes
Is there a site somewhere that lists F150/250 options and engine
specifications for the years 92 to 94?
Is there a site that lists the VIN codes for 92-94? This would be
helpful when I'm looking at prospective trucks.
I want a 4x4. I am a OTR truck driver and I'm only home 4-5 days a
month and I plan to use this truck as my daily driver when I am home
and some possible off road recreational use. I would like to have 32
or 33 x 12.5 tires, and a 3 inch body lift. What
engine/transmission/axle configuration would yield me the best
economy/performance combination? Would I need a small (2-2.5")
suspension lift as well?
I am assuming that anything I locate is going to have 80 to 120k miles
on it. I am counting on a motor/tranny rebuild sometime soon after
acquiring such a vehicle. How well do the other drive line components
hold up with this kind of milage/age on a 4x4? (i.e. steering linkage,
ball joints, u-joints, cv-joints, differentials, transfer case and so
I live in Florida and will try to find something that's spent it's
life down here out of the winter and salt. How well do the bodies
hold up on the 92-94 F Series?
Are there any known issues with the 92-94 F Series that I should be
aware of before I purchase one?
Thanks for taking the time to answer these questions for me.....
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