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80-96-list Digest Sat, 19 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 012

In This Issue:
Re: My Miserable Mileage
Good and Bad about mileage
Stalling problem
Re: My Miserable Mileage
Parking It
Re: Front LSD and Manual Hubs
Truck Bed
Re: Parking It
Re: My Miserable Mileage
Re: 96 302
Re: max tire height-F150
Re: My Miserable Mileage
Re: My Miserable Mileage
Re: max tire height-F150
ADMIN: Pictorial updated
Re: Front LSD and Manual Hubs
Re: 96 302
Re: Parking It
Re: My Miserable Mileage
Re: Parking It
Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6 Problem

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From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:50:04 EST
Subject: Re: My Miserable Mileage


< < I have a 1986 5.0 L F-150 delivering a whopping 9.5 miles per gallon. > >

Over the summer I was borrowing a '95 F-150, 5.0L
5 speed 2 WD to haul an RTV over the Continental
Divide and was happy with its consistent 17.5 mpg.
Anyone that has ever driven on I-70 westbound out
of Denver can attest to the steep hills and unpredictable
crosswinds/headwinds. I never got to drive it out across
the flat lands of the prairie but assumed it must be good for
20-22 mpg. As for my '84 E-150 with the C6 and 351HO.....
it's a consistent pig 13.5mpg - up hill, down hill, 55 mph or
75 mph it doesn't matter... with the aerodynamics of a
billboard, I guess that's the best I can expect... but it's
better than others have reported from their 300 cu. in.
6 bangers. Anyhow, to make a short story long (sorry),
your 9.5 mpg sounds like you're driving around with
a hole in your gas tank ;-).
Alex


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From: "Dave Harmier" pdq.net>
Subject: Good and Bad about mileage
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 19:59:31 -0600

On the plus side, here in the Houston area, we can still get gas for $1.31
or so.....
On the minus side, I just filled to the tune of 13.61 mpg in my approx.
6000 pound F-150.....
On the plus side, my service charges can cover gas.....

And diesel keeps going up too... making the purchase of any 3/4 or 1 ton
less likely!!!

So I just keep getting 12.8 to 13.7 or so in my heavy loaded 3 tool box/
liftgate equipped 92.

Dave H.
Houston

P.S. Mighty Toyota suffered today, the T-100 we took a roadrace motorcycle
racing with busted it's radiator BIG TIME, but it will be ok (NOT MINE, not
even a good friends so lay off!)



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From: "Rob Sartorius" qwestinternet.net>
Subject: Stalling problem
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:43:54 -0600

I have a 1984 f-150 2bl 351 computerized carbed f-150....as a history, last
summer I had rewired (by hand) the computer and harnesses to get the EEC-IV
to run...it does with no codes except the EGR valve which I have
disconnected....I think I have a bad solenoid running the EGR
vacuum....anyway since winter is here in Oklahoma...I start my truck in the
cold mornings and it is a bit rough but smoothes out for about 20 minutes or
at least 12m-13 miles on 65 mph highway and then it tries to die if I come
to a stop...it just will not stay running unless I keep my foot on the
accelerator to keep it running....this lasts for only 1 -2 minutes and then
it smoothes out and runs like a purring kitten until I let it sit and it
gets cold......real cold.....

I think some vacuum valve is not opening completely but I don't know which
one....I replaced the triple vacuum port at the rear of the motor which
feeds the EGR and the EGR solenoids...I also think there is a 2 port heat
vacuum valve behind the smog pump but I have not replaced that one....Do you
have any ideas?

Rob Sartorius
Edmond, OK



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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:48:49 -0800
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: My Miserable Mileage

At 08:50 PM 2/19/00 -0500, you wrote:
>but it's
>better than others have reported from their 300 cu. in.
>6 bangers

Now THAT really makes me feel good :-|
My son-in-law just told me about a 96
5.0 motor and five speed for sale for $1000 with
only 60k on it. If I hadn't sunk so much into the
Falcon lately I could buy that combo and get
better mileage I reckon.
Of course I could also have some ham and eggs if I
had the ham......and the eggs.




Chuck Sanborn FCA# 07175
Torrance, CA
1964 Falcon Sprint, 289 w/351W heads, etc
86 F150 300 cu in six banger (Hers)


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From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:11:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Parking It

Gasoline 1.59 a gallon in Dayton, Ohio. Looking to raise to 1.75 by
March. Glad
I have my 94 Tempo. I am parking the
F150 except when needed. Does anyone
know if these prices will hold or go higher.
Would it be practical to think about switching to propane. Wouldn't this
make the parts boys scream at the oil boys. Wouldn't need many pollution
toys.



http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://community.webtv.net/DBblueboy/DayBreakblueboyblue


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From: kb9odg.mark juno.com
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:38:04 -0600
Subject: Re: Front LSD and Manual Hubs

Acually, I think the different hubs do affect how it would handle.
Maybe, at least hear me out on this. The auto hubs are locked when you
go to drive the front wheels and the drive shaft and axles are turning
faster than the wheels. Am I right on this? Therefore, to unlock these
hubs, you drive backwards to unlock them. Try this. If you have auto
hubs, drive around to engauge the hubs and pull the vehicle into the
garage. Put one side of the front axle in the air, blocking the rear
tires of course, put the transfere case in four wheel(high or low,
doesn't matter), and try turing the wheel by hand. You should be able to
turn the wheel in one direction but not the other. This is because auto
hubs only lock when you go forward.

I'm thinking this through again, and I'm not liking what I wrote, please,
someone let me know what I've done. I just spent about 5 hours at a
climing gym, I'm tired.

- Mark Reimers KB9ODG
'66 Bronco 170 I-6, 3-speed, 3.5" suspension lift, 3" body lift, 35"
tires ...
'87 F-150 XLT 4x2 300 I-6, 4-speed, boring ...

> Walt - Sorry to be unclear. Manual vs. auto hubs makes no
> difference in how
> the limited slip affects the steering. If the hubs are locked, the
> steering
> is harder. If they are unlocked, steering is normal. And it
> doesn't matter
> if the transfer case is engaged or not. Here's what happens. With
> the hubs
> locked, you turn the steering wheel, each wheel travels at a
> different speed
> and the limited slip try's to keep the wheels at the same speed.
> This in
> turn causes the steering to feel like it wants to return to the
> straight
> ahead position - thus requiring more effort to turn it. And no, the
> dealer
> didn't suggest removing the limited slip, he was just noting that
> the harder
> steering is normal with it.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
________________________________________________________________





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From: "The Casey's" home.com>
Subject: Truck Bed
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:45:01 -0000


I have a truck bed from a 85 that I am parting out in Alabama


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From: DTrowbridge webtv.net (David Trowbridge)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:23:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Parking It

gas is up to $1.50 a gallon for 93 octane here in Dallas. so i too am
parking my truck for a little while. not lets hope that my C^%#y car
will stay together until these gas prices come down.

David
85 F-150 300 I6


------------------------------

From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr." exit109.com>
Subject: Re: My Miserable Mileage
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:02:07 -0500

Mike,

I had an '84 Bronco with the same symptoms. Turns out the gas tank was
leaking. Replaced it with one from J.C. Whitney in a couple hours and I was
back up to the whopping 13mpg that I was used to.
Good luck.

-Mike
---------
>I have a 1986 5.0 L F-150 delivering a whopping 9.5 miles per gallon.


------------------------------

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:28:08 -0500
From: Rich snet.net>
Subject: Re: 96 302

Hey all, I have a 96 F150 that I bought used with 78k on it. It now has
82k on it and I have noticed what sounds to be, like valve train noise?
It almost sounds like a diesel sometime. The truck doesn't look at all
like it had a hard life. I am just curious if anybody else has this
expierienced this type of noise. I use 10w30, and the motorcraft filter
every 3k miles.
Thanks to a great newsgroup
Rich

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From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:43:54 -0600
Subject: Re: max tire height-F150

> I have 33x9.5 BF Goodrich, and they work great, rub slightly in a real
> hard turn, but
> generally not to bad. Paid $120 per tire at tirekingdom
> Rob
> 92 F150 4x4
>

> > > What are the tallest tires & wheels that I can put on my 1996 standard
> > > cab
> > > F-150 pickup?
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > I just asked this question to 2 busy tire shops. 33 X 12.5 X 15 will
> > rub on turns for sure. 31 X 10.5 X 15 will be OK except maybe
> > turned hard and hitting a deep hole w/weak coil springs.
> > Danny
> > fitz011 ev1.net

I'm sure the only way your getting away w/33's is due to the *9.5*
section width.

Good to hear the input though.
Danny
fitz011 ev1.net

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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:03:51 -0500
From: Martin Horne optonline.net>
Subject: Re: My Miserable Mileage


Mike,

If you get an answer, let me know!

I have '86 Bronco 302, recently re-engined with a rebuilt long block from Pep
Boys. I changed a whole bunch of stuff with the engine, Computer, MAP, ICU,
TPS, Idle Air Valge, EGR and Sensor. I have 33x12.5 BFG's and compensating for
speedo error I am getting 10-11 mpg. I attributed it to the Shorty headers,
cat-back and lead-foot but before I changed the motor and exhaust I was getting
14+ mpg.

I AM going to check the tank again per some of the suggestions I saw - but I
have never seen a puddle of fuel nor have I smelt it.


At 03:43 PM 2/19/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>As far as gas mileage goes, I know we don't expect a heck of a lot from our
>trucks. My own boy, however, has been disappointing me of late. I have a
>1986 5.0 L F-150 delivering a whopping 9.5 miles per gallon. The engine
>only has about 65K miles and I seem to recall a time when it gave me a more
>impressive 16ish mpg's. There are no apparent symptoms of poor engine
>performance - it runs as well as it ever has. Recent upgrades include only a
>new fuel filter and PCV valve. So here's what I'm hoping: That someone
>else out there with a comparable vehicle can let me know their mileage so I
>can figure out whether or not something is truly amiss here. Thanks!!!
>
>Mike
>Sacramento, CA



M.

Optonline.Net>FlatSpin Optonline.Net


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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:04:10 -0500
From: Martin Horne optonline.net>
Subject: Re: My Miserable Mileage

Mike,

If you get an answer, let me know!

I have '86 Bronco 302, recently re-engined with a rebuilt long block from
Pep Boys. I changed a whole bunch of stuff with the engine, Computer, MAP,
ICU, TPS, Idle Air Valge, EGR and Sensor. I have 33x12.5 BFG's and
compensating for speedo error I am getting 10-11 mpg. I attributed it to
the Shorty headers, cat-back and lead-foot but before I changed the motor
and exhaust I was getting 14+ mpg.

I AM going to check the tank again per some of the suggestions I saw - but
I have never seen a puddle of fuel nor have I smelt it.


At 03:43 PM 2/19/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>As far as gas mileage goes, I know we don't expect a heck of a lot from our
>trucks. My own boy, however, has been disappointing me of late. I have a
>1986 5.0 L F-150 delivering a whopping 9.5 miles per gallon. The engine
>only has about 65K miles and I seem to recall a time when it gave me a more
>impressive 16ish mpg's. There are no apparent symptoms of poor engine
>performance - it runs as well as it ever has. Recent upgrades include only a
>new fuel filter and PCV valve. So here's what I'm hoping: That someone
>else out there with a comparable vehicle can let me know their mileage so I
>can figure out whether or not something is truly amiss here. Thanks!!!
>
>Mike
>Sacramento, CA

Martin Horne
'86 Bronco
Long Island, NY

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:09:02 -0500
From: Rob ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: max tire height-F150

Hey Dan,
Yes, you are correct, it is becuase my tires are so thin, that they dont hit.
But then Im sort of weird like that, I like to see a truck with tall skinny
mudders, kind of reminds me of the old war type military vehicles. The type that
used to have directionals on them.
Good Luck,
Rob


DannyF wrote:

> > I have 33x9.5 BF Goodrich, and they work great, rub slightly in a real
> > hard turn, but
> > generally not to bad. Paid $120 per tire at tirekingdom
> > Rob
> > 92 F150 4x4
> >
>
> > > > What are the tallest tires & wheels that I can put on my 1996 standard
> > > > cab
> > > > F-150 pickup?
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > > I just asked this question to 2 busy tire shops. 33 X 12.5 X 15 will
> > > rub on turns for sure. 31 X 10.5 X 15 will be OK except maybe
> > > turned hard and hitting a deep hole w/weak coil springs.
> > > Danny
> > > fitz011 ev1.net
>
> I'm sure the only way your getting away w/33's is due to the *9.5*
> section width.
>
> Good to hear the input though.
> Danny
> fitz011 ev1.net
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:58:48 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Pictorial updated

The pictorial has been updated. Photos sent in from November
15th through Feb 15th have been added. If you didn't get an
email saying yours has been added, then it hasn't so please
don't email me about it as I'm been absolutely swamped with
work.

I just have to get away from computer as I've been working on
the web site, ftp and email for 3 and a half weeks and I just
can't take it anymore.

As it stands, 54 trucks have been added to pictorial. Enjoy!

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:31:44 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki little-mountain.com>
Subject: Re: Front LSD and Manual Hubs

>Acually, I think the different hubs do affect how it would handle.
>Maybe, at least hear me out on this. The auto hubs are locked when you
>go to drive the front wheels and the drive shaft and axles are turning
>faster than the wheels. Am I right on this? Therefore, to unlock these
>hubs, you drive backwards to unlock them. Try this. If you have auto
>hubs, drive around to engauge the hubs and pull the vehicle into the
>garage. Put one side of the front axle in the air, blocking the rear
>tires of course, put the transfere case in four wheel(high or low,
>doesn't matter), and try turing the wheel by hand. You should be able to
>turn the wheel in one direction but not the other. This is because auto
>hubs only lock when you go forward.
>

Auto hubs work backing up too. Otherwise they would not be much good if you
get stuck.

I never had them and never want them, but that is what they tell me.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:38:50 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: 96 302

Check your timing, does this happen at hard throttle? You may be a bit
advanced on the timing.

Bob


Rich wrote:

> Hey all, I have a 96 F150 that I bought used with 78k on it. It now has
> 82k on it and I have noticed what sounds to be, like valve train noise?
> It almost sounds like a diesel sometime. The truck doesn't look at all
> like it had a hard life. I am just curious if anybody else has this
> expierienced this type of noise. I use 10w30, and the motorcraft filter
> every 3k miles.
> Thanks to a great newsgroup
> Rich
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 06:43:38 +1100
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Parking It

Hi All,
Wow, reality bites??? A LITRE of ULP is 89c, super is 92c and a litre of
propane is 38c. We are being softened up for the magic $1 a litre for ulp by
June. You want propane ? Sure go for it and see how the queues are starting
to form already for installs, in OZ, anyway....

>>Wouldn't need many pollution toys.<<
No, but you could run the risk of being called a 'tree huggin'
greenie'!!:-))
Geez, I've got to use the truck, it's the cheapest thing, economy wise, I
own to drive!!!

BTW: this is Sydney prices today, as you go further out into the sticks,
it's even higher.

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


Jerome Kelly wrote:

> Gasoline 1.59 a gallon in Dayton, Ohio. Looking to raise to 1.75 by
> March. Glad
> I have my 94 Tempo. I am parking the
> F150 except when needed. Does anyone
> know if these prices will hold or go higher.
> Would it be practical to think about switching to propane. Wouldn't this
> make the parts boys scream at the oil boys. Wouldn't need many pollution
> toys.


------------------------------

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:42:49 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: My Miserable Mileage

A quick note, if you are running 33s and have not changed to a numerically higher
gear ratio, you have taken your drive train out of it's power band. It will have to
work harder
to achieve what it could previously. This is one of many things that will impact
the performance of our rigs.

Bob


Martin Horne wrote:

> Mike,
>
> If you get an answer, let me know!
>
> I have '86 Bronco 302, recently re-engined with a rebuilt long block from Pep
> Boys. I changed a whole bunch of stuff with the engine, Computer, MAP, ICU,
> TPS, Idle Air Valge, EGR and Sensor. I have 33x12.5 BFG's and compensating for
> speedo error I am getting 10-11 mpg. I attributed it to the Shorty headers,
> cat-back and lead-foot but before I changed the motor and exhaust I was getting
> 14+ mpg.
>
> I AM going to check the tank again per some of the suggestions I saw - but I
> have never seen a puddle of fuel nor have I smelt it.
>
> At 03:43 PM 2/19/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> >As far as gas mileage goes, I know we don't expect a heck of a lot from our
> >trucks. My own boy, however, has been disappointing me of late. I have a
> >1986 5.0 L F-150 delivering a whopping 9.5 miles per gallon. The engine
> >only has about 65K miles and I seem to recall a time when it gave me a more
> >impressive 16ish mpg's. There are no apparent symptoms of poor engine
> >performance - it runs as well as it ever has. Recent upgrades include only a
> >new fuel filter and PCV valve. So here's what I'm hoping: That someone
> >else out there with a comparable vehicle can let me know their mileage so I
> >can figure out whether or not something is truly amiss here. Thanks!!!
> >
> >Mike
> >Sacramento, CA
>
> M.
>
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>
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From: "Troy" yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:58:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Parking It

On 19 Feb 00, at 23:11, Jerome Kelly wrote:

>Gasoline 1.59 a gallon in Dayton, Ohio. Looking to raise to 1.75 by
>March. Glad I have my 94 Tempo. I am parking the F150 except when
>needed. Does anyone know if these prices will hold or go higher.
>Would it be practical to think about switching to propane. Wouldn't
>this make the parts boys scream at the oil boys. Wouldn't need many
>pollution toys.

I don't know, but I am thinking about doing the same myself. I'm a
little pissed about the gas prices myself. Holding back to try and
increase their profits. I'll show 'em profits. I'm looking into the
propane systems as well for my '84 F-150.

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From: MRStace84 aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:01:50 EST
Subject: Water/ Condensation in Air Filter on 300 I-6 Problem

Hello List,

I've got a problem with my 84 F150 300 I-6, that I'm hoping some of you might
be able to give me some suggestions on. The problem is that I am finding
water/ condensation in the air cleaner. It's definitely water and not oil.
It is coming from the tube that hooks from the oil filler cap to the air
cleaner, because when I unhook the tube and run the truck, I don't find any
water in the air filter. A fair amount of water appears to accumulate, that
last time I found about half of an inch of water in the air filter. It's
obviously some sort of crankcase ventilation problem, but I am trying to
figure out what. I tried putting on a new PVC valve, but this didn't help.

Also a while back I posted about having a problem with finding large amounts
of raw gas in my in my intake. In fact it was so bad that after shutting the
truck and removing a cap on my vacuum tree, gas would pour out in a solid
stream. However, adjusting the float in the carb helped this problem. Now,
I have two carbs, one is new remanufactured, and another is one that I just
put a kit in, and both were taken apart and painstakingly adjusted to proper
specs. And both carbs give me the same results. I have a long cap on my
vacuum tree, and I always find raw gas in it after running the truck. It
doesn't pour out, but I still find it there. Also the truck gets about 10
mpg or less when it used to get around 14. I don't know if these two
problems are related or not.

Another strange thing is that it used to be that when I would pull off a cap
off the vacuum tree the truck would start running really rough. Now when I
do it, the idle just picks up, and it runs smooth. In fact I was driving it
around with the vacuum caps off. In the past, it would quit every time you
let off the gas, when it had a vacuum leak. Performance wise the truck runs
great, it doesn't idle rough, load up, or anything like that. I was having a