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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 80-96-list); Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:01:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 80-96-list digest users Reply-to: 80-96-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 80-96-list Digest V2000 #119 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 80-96-list Digest Thu, 22 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 119 In This Issue: cat-back exhaust roll cage EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START Re: LPG and cold weather Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START Re: truck turns off while driving or at idle Fwd: [AFTE-list] New Events Listings Re: 302 to 351 parts swap grill replacement Re: LPG & cold weather Re: Tailgate? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Surette" Subject: cat-back exhaust Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:25:33 PDT I am replacing my exhaust with a new cat-back system. My question is in removing the old exshaust. There are black caps on the outside of both exhaust hangers. How are these removed? I couldn't tell by looking. I tried to twist them off with no luck. Are these just a throw away item that I should cut off? Any other tips for this job? Thanks in advance for the input. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:47:34 -0400 Subject: roll cage From: chris hinckley i'm getting real short on time to do my cage, as i'm going to be away for most of July. sooo i just called a place in Spring City, PA (S&W Race Chasis'). They will do a custom cage, great price as well. they use 1 3/4" tubing vs 2" but it's .132 vs. .120. would this give you concern? it's smaller dia. but thicker wall. thoughts? Chris Hinckley 92EB Bronco- stroked, lifted, & locked (Pepe) 95 F150 - ext. cab 4x4 (Newt) 00 Excursion - PSD (Titus) 95 Buell - for 2 wheel street fun ------------------------------ From: "Larry" Subject: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:19:42 -1000 Well Boys !!! Just when I thought I was home free the "Ford" dealer informed me today that there are no PCMs (power control modules) available nation wide. I even had them check Anchorage. Tennessee had one but the box had been opened, so no warranty. My truck is a 89 F-150, 302 cu. in., EFI, 4spd. auto and if anybody has any thoughts as to my next best move I'd like to hear from them. Much thanks, Larry ------------------------------ From: Fred Moreno Subject: Re: LPG and cold weather Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:21:47 -0600 I (Phred)initially wrote: >You're dealing with a gas, so atomization of the fuel >is no longer a problem, propane boils at -40 F so >that's not a problem very often where you and I live. Bruce replied: But it is a problem where I live! I used to drive bus for our school district which experimented with a few LPG units. The LPG's would always start, but would have NO power until the system was fully warmed up (and the fuel vapor pressure reached normal levels). I remember driving one for 2 hours one morning (not abnormally cold for MN, but below zero F) before the bus began running right. The diesels (equipped with block heaters and plugged in overnight) on the other hand, would exhibit normal driveability right off the bat. Bottom line, they didn't work out particularly well in this experiment and the district reverted to an all- diesel fleet. Bruce Hanson Apple Valley, MN Phred replies: Well duh! I was referring to Arizona where if the temperature drops below 50 F a state of emergency is declared - kind of like El Paso. In climates like yours, experienced and professional conversion shops use heater blankets around the LP tank. You are absolutely right those buses ran poorly, because there was insufficient pressure in the tank to deliver a workable quantity of fuel. Lucky they even ran at all. For the same reasons - more or less - that the diesels needed the heater blocks, the propane units needed the heated tanks. Oh well, the diesel suppliers were probably laughing all the way to the bank, and they deserve to. As far as the professionally challenged propane conversion outfits, if that's the kind of work they generated for their bid, you are probably better off dealing with the diesel boys. The propane outfits probably slapped together some conversion kit, took the money and ran..."Customer service and satisfaction?? What's that? We just want to sell the fuel". Unfortuantely this is often the downfall of the US propane industry participants. Phred 1995 F-150 4X4, 5.0L, 5 speed, LPG or Gasoline burner. ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" Subject: Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:06:17 -0700 Buy a quality reman computer from a local parts store. Jason '69 Bronco '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry" To: "FORD TRUCKS" <80-96-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 10:19 AM Subject: [80-96-list] EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START > Well Boys !!! Just when I thought I was home free the "Ford" dealer informed > me today that there are no PCMs (power control modules) available nation > wide. I even had them check Anchorage. > > Tennessee had one but the box had been opened, so no warranty. My truck is a > 89 F-150, 302 cu. in., EFI, 4spd. auto and if anybody has any thoughts as to > my next best move I'd like to hear from them. Much thanks, > > Larry > > > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:05:18 -0700 From: Chuck Sanborn Subject: Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START At 07:19 AM 6/22/00 -1000, you wrote: >Well Boys !!! Just when I thought I was home free the "Ford" dealer informed >me today that there are no PCMs (power control modules) available nation >wide. I even had them check Anchorage. Well damn, Larry...that's whatcha get for working with dealers. I just called my local auto parts dealer here in Torrance, CA (Peerless Auto Parts, 310-370-2558, John Crone) and he said to give him the number off of your old one and he'd find one; for ya..either that or he can get your old one rebuilt. Either call him yourself or e-mail me the number off yours and we'll get it for ya. Chuck Chuck Sanborn Torrance, CA 1986 F150 six banger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:31:32 -0700 From: Chuck Sanborn Subject: Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START Have you checked the power relay to the PCM? That was my problem a few months ago when I had thought my PCM went bad. My under- standing is that the modules hardly ever go bad, it's the power relay that feeds them. Chuck Chuck Sanborn Torrance, CA 1986 F150 six banger ------------------------------ From: SlamedF150 aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:32:17 EDT Subject: Re: truck turns off while driving or at idle mine did the same thing. i replaced the pump on the rail and it still did it. it turned out to be the rear fuel pump ------------------------------ From: FLR150 aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:52:37 EDT Subject: Fwd: [AFTE-list] New Events Listings -- Attached file included as plaintext by Listar -- Return-Path: <61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com> Received: from rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (rly-yg03.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.3]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v74.17) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:51:55 -0400 Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [209.50.251.152]) by rly-yg03.mx.aol.com (v74.17) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:51:33 2000 Received: from ford-trucks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ford-trucks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14448; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:52:10 -0400 Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list afte-list); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by ford-trucks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14443 for From: FLR150 AOL.Com Received: from FLR150 aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id s.60.4518c53 (14378) for Message-ID: <60.4518c53.26840050 aol.com>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:50:40 EDT Subject: [AFTE-list] New Events Listings To: afte-list ford-trucks.comMIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 X-listar-version: Listar v0.128a Sender: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.comErrors-to: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.comX-original-sender: FLR150 aol.comPrecedence: bulk Reply-to: afte-list ford-trucks.comX-list: afte-list Gang, Since no one has emailed me with any shows or ideas, I have been perusing my mags and adding in various shows and meets that may be of interest to fellow members. REMEMBER, I will be running the Richmond FFW event THIS WEEKEND, check the events page to get directions or a number to the track. Thank you, Wayne Foy AFTE Webmaster/Club Member http://www.ford-trucks.com/afte ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com withthe words "unsubscribe afte-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: Lwskywalk aol.comDate: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:31:28 EDT Subject: Re: 302 to 351 parts swap no you can not use the intake the width of the 351 and the 302 are different. the 302 is narrower. luke ------------------------------ From: "Harris, Scott" Subject: grill replacement Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:50:56 -0500 I have a '96 F250 XL and want to replace the dull grill with a pretty shiny one from an XLT. Anyone bought one from a wrecking yard and if so was there a problem in locating one? What years will fit my '96? I haven't really looked at all the mounting points but is a straighforward job? What price did you find? Scott Harris '96 F250 XL 5.7 '85 F150GT 5.0 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:13:15 +1000 From: les williams Subject: Re: LPG & cold weather Bruce, First of all, thank you for your initial post, and subsequent post on the Propane problem. It's comments like your's that allow the problem to be aired and to then see if there is an answer. I'm down here in Australia and I'm not subject to the low temperatures you describe. My initial feeling was 'it had to be an install problem', but I thought I would be polite and ask for clues, before I made an ass of myself first. Nephew Phred is on the ball again, and I have no reason to question the decision. His comments on the quality of installs holds true for down here too, and the real disappointing part is, that it has coloured you thinking and no doubt your comments about LPG as a fuel for the last 10 years. ... and damn those mechanic's who's stock answer to any problem is 'That's normal.' In three years I have managed to convert 2 workshops to looking a little closer and using common sense and logic when dealing with LPG fuel.... & their making money out of it. The derivability problem as you describe it is similar to another problem of the regulator freezing, or turning into a 'snowball'. The final outcome is coming to a dead stop. It's caused by either low coolant level or in my personal case, lack of antifreeze, pushing it hard after a cold start, and the coolant freezes in the labyrinth. Either case indicates a less than ideal servicing schedule, and some people would suggest that it shows the fragility of the system, but I prefer to call it an engine protection system - you really have to try very hard to run an LPG engine, with no coolant, to a criticaly high temperature level. I appreciate you comment on the longevity of the engines but better MPG than petrol?? probably cause the Propane pressure was so low and the engine running Soooo LLeeaaaannnn ;-)) I'm sure nephew Phred will correct me if I'm wrong. regards Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:00:25 -0400 From: Martin Horne Subject: Re: Tailgate? At 01:09 PM 6/21/00 -0500, you wrote: >'87-'96 F150s and '97 F250-350s > >Steve Randa > JC Whitney currently has the 80-86 F100-F350 tailgate for $58.95 ( part # 81TZ9450P). With shipping taht comes to a max. of $73.40 assuming you're in the lower 48 somewhere. Why buy used? Martin Horne '86 Bronco Long Island, NY ------------------------------ End of 80-96-list Digest V2000 #119 *********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Send posts to 80-96-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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