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80-96-list Digest Thu, 22 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 119

In This Issue:
cat-back exhaust
roll cage
EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START
Re: LPG and cold weather
Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START
Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START
Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START
Re: truck turns off while driving or at idle
Fwd: [AFTE-list] New Events Listings
Re: 302 to 351 parts swap
grill replacement
Re: LPG & cold weather
Re: Tailgate?

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From: "Michael Surette" hotmail.com>
Subject: cat-back exhaust
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:25:33 PDT

I am replacing my exhaust with a new cat-back system. My question is in
removing the old exshaust. There are black caps on the outside of both
exhaust hangers. How are these removed? I couldn't tell by looking. I
tried to twist them off with no luck. Are these just a throw away item that
I should cut off? Any other tips for this job? Thanks in advance for the
input.

Mike
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:47:34 -0400
Subject: roll cage
From: chris hinckley juno.com>

i'm getting real short on time to do my cage, as i'm going to be away for
most of July. sooo i just called a place in Spring City, PA (S&W Race
Chasis'). They will do a custom cage, great price as well. they use 1
3/4" tubing vs 2" but it's .132 vs. .120. would this give you concern?
it's smaller dia. but thicker wall.


thoughts?


Chris Hinckley
92EB Bronco- stroked, lifted, & locked (Pepe)
95 F150 - ext. cab 4x4 (Newt)
00 Excursion - PSD (Titus)
95 Buell - for 2 wheel street fun

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From: "Larry" ilhawaii.net>
Subject: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:19:42 -1000

Well Boys !!! Just when I thought I was home free the "Ford" dealer informed
me today that there are no PCMs (power control modules) available nation
wide. I even had them check Anchorage.

Tennessee had one but the box had been opened, so no warranty. My truck is a
89 F-150, 302 cu. in., EFI, 4spd. auto and if anybody has any thoughts as to
my next best move I'd like to hear from them. Much thanks,

Larry





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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Re: LPG and cold weather
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:21:47 -0600

I (Phred)initially wrote:

>You're dealing with a gas, so atomization of the fuel
>is no longer a problem, propane boils at -40 F so
>that's not a problem very often where you and I live.

Bruce replied:

But it is a problem where I live! I used to drive bus
for our school district which experimented with a few
LPG units. The LPG's would always start, but would
have NO power until the system was fully warmed up
(and the fuel vapor pressure reached normal levels).

I remember driving one for 2 hours one morning (not
abnormally cold for MN, but below zero F) before
the bus began running right. The diesels (equipped
with block heaters and plugged in overnight) on the
other hand, would exhibit normal driveability right
off the bat.

Bottom line, they didn't work out particularly well
in this experiment and the district reverted to an all-
diesel fleet.

Bruce Hanson
Apple Valley, MN

Phred replies:

Well duh! I was referring to Arizona where if the temperature drops below
50 F a state of emergency is declared - kind of like El Paso.

In climates like yours, experienced and professional conversion shops use
heater blankets around the LP tank.
You are absolutely right those buses ran poorly, because there was
insufficient pressure in the tank to deliver a workable quantity of fuel.
Lucky they even ran at all.
For the same reasons - more or less - that the diesels needed the heater
blocks, the propane units needed the heated tanks.
Oh well, the diesel suppliers were probably laughing all the way to the
bank, and they deserve to. As far as the professionally challenged propane
conversion outfits, if that's the kind of work they generated for their bid,
you are probably better off dealing with the diesel boys.
The propane outfits probably slapped together some conversion kit, took the
money and ran..."Customer service and satisfaction?? What's that? We just
want to sell the fuel".
Unfortuantely this is often the downfall of the US propane industry
participants.

Phred
1995 F-150 4X4, 5.0L, 5 speed, LPG or Gasoline burner.

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From: "Jason Derra" internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:06:17 -0700

Buy a quality reman computer from a local parts store.
Jason
'69 Bronco
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD

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> Well Boys !!! Just when I thought I was home free the "Ford" dealer
informed
> me today that there are no PCMs (power control modules) available nation
> wide. I even had them check Anchorage.
>
> Tennessee had one but the box had been opened, so no warranty. My truck is
a
> 89 F-150, 302 cu. in., EFI, 4spd. auto and if anybody has any thoughts as
to
> my next best move I'd like to hear from them. Much thanks,
>
> Larry
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:05:18 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START

At 07:19 AM 6/22/00 -1000, you wrote:
>Well Boys !!! Just when I thought I was home free the "Ford" dealer informed
>me today that there are no PCMs (power control modules) available nation
>wide. I even had them check Anchorage.

Well damn, Larry...that's whatcha get for working with dealers.
I just called my local auto parts dealer here in Torrance, CA
(Peerless Auto Parts, 310-370-2558, John Crone) and he said
to give him the number off of your old one and he'd find one; for ya..either
that or he can get your old one rebuilt.
Either call him yourself or e-mail me the number off yours and
we'll get it for ya.
Chuck
Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
1986 F150 six banger


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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:31:32 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START

Have you checked the power relay to the PCM? That was my problem
a few months ago when I had thought my PCM went bad. My under-
standing is that the modules hardly ever go bad, it's the power relay
that feeds them.
Chuck
Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
1986 F150 six banger


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From: SlamedF150 aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:32:17 EDT
Subject: Re: truck turns off while driving or at idle

mine did the same thing. i replaced the pump on the rail and it still did it.
it turned out to be the rear fuel pump

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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:52:37 EDT
Subject: Fwd: [AFTE-list] New Events Listings





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From: Lwskywalkaol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:31:28 EDT
Subject: Re: 302 to 351 parts swap

no you can not use the intake the width of the 351 and the 302 are different.
the 302 is narrower.

luke

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From: "Harris, Scott" dfwairport.com>
Subject: grill replacement
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:50:56 -0500

I have a '96 F250 XL and want to replace the dull grill with a pretty shiny
one from an XLT. Anyone bought one from a wrecking yard and if so was there
a problem in locating one? What years will fit my '96? I haven't really
looked at all the mounting points but is a straighforward job?
What price did you find?

Scott Harris
'96 F250 XL 5.7
'85 F150GT 5.0

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:13:15 +1000
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: LPG & cold weather

Bruce,

First of all, thank you for your initial post, and subsequent post on
the Propane problem.
It's comments like your's that allow the problem to be aired and to then
see if there is an answer. I'm down here in Australia and I'm not
subject to the low temperatures you describe.

My initial feeling was 'it had to be an install problem', but I thought
I would be polite and ask for clues, before I made an ass of myself
first.

Nephew Phred is on the ball again, and I have no reason to question the
decision. His comments on the quality of installs holds true for down
here too, and the real disappointing part is, that it has coloured you
thinking and no doubt your comments about LPG as a fuel for the last 10
years.
... and damn those mechanic's who's stock answer to any problem is
'That's normal.' In three years I have managed to convert 2 workshops to
looking a little closer and using common sense and logic when dealing
with LPG fuel.... & their making money out of it.
The derivability problem as you describe it is similar to another
problem of the regulator freezing, or turning into a 'snowball'. The
final outcome is coming to a dead stop. It's caused by either low
coolant level or in my personal case, lack of antifreeze, pushing it
hard after a cold start, and the coolant freezes in the labyrinth.
Either case indicates a less than ideal servicing schedule, and some
people would suggest that it shows the fragility of the system, but I
prefer to call it an engine protection system - you really have to try
very hard to run an LPG engine, with no coolant, to a criticaly high
temperature level.
I appreciate you comment on the longevity of the engines but better MPG
than petrol?? probably cause the Propane pressure was so low and the
engine running Soooo LLeeaaaannnn ;-)) I'm sure nephew Phred will
correct me if I'm wrong.


regards

Les

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:00:25 -0400
From: Martin Horne optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Tailgate?

At 01:09 PM 6/21/00 -0500, you wrote:
>'87-'96 F150s and '97 F250-350s
>
>Steve Randa
>

JC Whitney currently has the 80-86 F100-F350 tailgate for $58.95 ( part #
81TZ9450P). With shipping taht comes to a max. of $73.40 assuming you're in
the lower 48 somewhere. Why buy used?


Martin Horne
'86 Bronco
Long Island, NY

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