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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 80-96-list); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:34:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 80-96-list digest users Reply-to: 80-96-list Subject: 80-96-list Digest V2000 #117 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 80-96-list Digest Mon, 19 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 117 In This Issue: Re: 302 to 351 parts swap Re: 302 to 351 parts swap Re: 302 to 351 parts swap Re: Alternative fuel trucks... Re: Front Shock Travel Re: Tranny questions..again Tailgate? Re: Front Shock Travel Re: Front Shock Travel Re: Tranny questions..again Re: Front Shock Travel Re: Front Shock Travel Re: Alternative fuel trucks... Superchip Re: Superchip Re: Alternative fuel trucks... Re: Superchip Re: Superchip ADMIN: Important FTE Announcement Re: E4OD Re: Superchip Re: Tailgate? Re: Tranny questions..again Re: Tranny questions..again ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:47:32 -0700 From: chuck sanborn Subject: Re: 302 to 351 parts swap At 10:51 PM 6/19/00 -0400, you wrote: >can i use my 351w intake on the 302 crate motor? In a word...No. The 351 intake is wider.. Chuck Sanborn Torrance, CA 86 F150 300 cu in six banger FAX 1-310-822-6815 ------------------------------ From: "Serian" Subject: Re: 302 to 351 parts swap Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:50:05 -0400 > hi..i have an 351w with a performer intake on it..i am > planning on buying a 302 crate motor..can i use my > 351w intake on the 302 crate motor? > nick nope ... the 351W intake, though of the same general design as the 302, is a bit wider ... it will not fit. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:23:35 -0400 Subject: Re: 302 to 351 parts swap From: chris hinckley nope the 351 has a different valley, it's wider. Chris Hinckley 92 EB - w/stuff (Pepe) 95 F150 - ext. cab 4x4 (Newt) 00 Excursion - PSD (Titus) 95 Buell - for 2 wheel street fun , On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:51:42 EDT Lingus0169 > hi..i have an 351w with a performer intake on it..i am planning on > buying a > 302 crate motor..can i use my 351w intake on the 302 crate motor? > nick > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > message. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:29:41 -0700 From: Chris McKinnon Subject: Re: Alternative fuel trucks... >1) Are vehicles with CNG (compressed natural gas) and LPG (liquid propane >gas) running the same fuel? No, CNG is CH4, LPG is C3H8, They are 2 different fuels although they are both alkanes (they are chemicaly related) CNG is a high pressure gas, LPG is a low pressure liquid. Sorry this is just my chem classes coming out. >2) For you guys with either of these. How many miles do you run between >fill ups and .....how much does a fill up cost? You get about hte same milage on LPG as gas, maybe 10% less or so. How far you go depends on your milage and tank size. My tank is 100L and I can go about 400 Km +- (It works out to about 10 MPG(US)) A fill up is about $40 Can. >3) For anyone running one of these fuels. Do you have to pass emissions or >are you relieved of this responsibility. That is, is alternative fuel the >way to do whatever you want to the engine (for performace) without having to >worry about emissions? I don't need to run a cat and I have (almost) no emmission equipment left on my truck. I would have to pass the emmission test if I were in the part of the province that has them. >4) Does anyone have difficulties with extreme cold weather and these fuels? I've never tried starting the truck at less than about -10C. I have heard that you might have problems with freezing your vaporizor if it gets below -40. You would need to put a good set of engine heaters (block, rad, battery, ect) >Just some random thoughts I've had. No problem, I've got some random answers >Tom (in Pheonix) Chris, one of the list's propane burners (in BC) '84 F150 351W, NP 208, NP 435, 9.0 294k km on Propane ------------------------------ From: soffiler Subject: Re: Front Shock Travel Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:39:47 -0400 Gas pressurized shocks are usually shipped with straps to keep them from fully extending, and once you release the straps they extend themselves quite forcefully. I am assuming your Gabriels from AutoZone (yuck) are gas shocks. If so, what you experienced is normal. Steve Offiler soffiler '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's > -----Original Message----- > From: 80-96-list-bounce > [mailto:80-96-list-bounce > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 10:14 AM > To: 80-96-list > Subject: [80-96-list] Front Shock Travel > > > Friends, > > I replaced the shocks on my '95 F150 2wd this past Saturday with some > Gabriels from AutoZone. I had a bear of a time getting the > front shocks > compressed enough so that I could place the bottom bolt > through the lower > shock mount. > My question is, how compressed should the front shock be upon > installation? > I know that the purpose of shocks is to keep the wheel > firmly planted on > the ground, but should there be some give in the static position? > > As always...I appreciate it! > > Justen Noakes > Jrnoakes > 1995 Ford F150, 2wd, 4.9 L > 1999 VW Passat, 1.8 L > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > message. > ------------------------------ From: soffiler Subject: Re: Tranny questions..again Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:41:57 -0400 I'd be leery of torque capacity of the tranny off the 3.8 Mustang. Steve Offiler soffiler '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's > -----Original Message----- > From: 80-96-list-bounce > [mailto:80-96-list-bounce > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 4:15 PM > To: 80-96-list > Subject: [80-96-list] Tranny questions..again > > > Sorry for the repeat question, but I can't find where I put the > answer....if I have in fact asked this before ;-| > Will a 5 speed from a V-6 Mustang, 3.8, fit an 86 4.9L? I have > the 3.03 tranny right now which I really want to get rid of and > a 5 speed has come along at a REALLY good price. > Thanks, > Chuck > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > message. > ------------------------------ From: soffiler Subject: Tailgate? Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:52:05 -0400 My in-law's have an '85 F250 4x4 that spends its days running to the beach and the dump out on Nantucket. I've got it home on the mainland for a couple of weeks to make a variety of repairs. One is the tailgate. Original gate was destroyed when it was backed into a tree a few years ago. It was replaced with Tiawanese sheetmetal, which is JUNK and has completely fallen apart. Before I start shopping the salvage yards for Ford sheetmetal, can anyone tell me what year-range gates will fit? What's the going price for used gates? New? Steve Offiler soffiler '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's (in-law's) '85 F250 4x4, 351, C6?, 3.55's ------------------------------ From: "David Anderson (EUS)" Subject: Re: Front Shock Travel Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:33:09 -0500 I also use the Gabriels on my 2wd F150. They offered two shocks, an SUV model and a light truck model. I chose the SUV version looking more for a smooth controlled ride and like them very well. I do not recall having much trouble compressing them to get them on. I think the need to compress them is due to the gas charge contained in them. This "spring" action will have little effect on the position or ride of the truck. Dave .....I replaced the shocks on my '95 F150 2wd this past Saturday with some Gabriels from AutoZone. I had a bear of a time getting the front shocks compressed enough so that I could place the bottom bolt through the lower shock mount. My question is, how compressed should the front shock be upon installation? I know that the purpose of shocks is to keep the wheel firmly planted on the ground, but should there be some give in the static position?..... ------------------------------ From: jrnoakes Subject: Re: Front Shock Travel Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:08:34 -0500 Steve, AutoZone yuck or Gabriels yuck? Yes they were strapped and yes they are gas. The reason I ask is that I paid $17.99 per shock and have a lifetime (85 year) warranty. I normally drive 10/15 miles total a day to and from work and do very little off path/beach driving. I couldn't see paying $35 for Ranchos or something more rugged. -----Original Message----- From: soffiler Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 6:40 AM To: 80-96-list Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Front Shock Travel Gas pressurized shocks are usually shipped with straps to keep them from fully extending, and once you release the straps they extend themselves quite forcefully. I am assuming your Gabriels from AutoZone (yuck) are gas shocks. If so, what you experienced is normal. Steve Offiler soffiler '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's > -----Original Message----- > From: 80-96-list-bounce > [mailto:80-96-list-bounce > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 10:14 AM > To: 80-96-list > Subject: [80-96-list] Front Shock Travel > > > Friends, > > I replaced the shocks on my '95 F150 2wd this past Saturday with some > Gabriels from AutoZone. I had a bear of a time getting the > front shocks > compressed enough so that I could place the bottom bolt > through the lower > shock mount. > My question is, how compressed should the front shock be upon > installation? > I know that the purpose of shocks is to keep the wheel > firmly planted on > the ground, but should there be some give in the static position? > > As always...I appreciate it! > > Justen Noakes > Jrnoakes > 1995 Ford F150, 2wd, 4.9 L > 1999 VW Passat, 1.8 L > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > message. > ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:05:57 -0700 From: Chuck Sanborn Subject: Re: Tranny questions..again At 07:41 AM 6/20/00 -0400, you wrote: >I'd be leery of torque capacity of the tranny off the 3.8 Mustang. Good point, Steve...hadn't thought of that. Thanks, Chuck ------------------------------ From: soffiler Subject: Re: Front Shock Travel Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:21:31 -0400 > Steve, > > AutoZone yuck or Gabriels yuck? > AutoZone yuck. There's an AutoZone right on my commute home, which I used to frequent based solely on convenience. I had a series of trouble with parts purchased at this AutoZone, from alternators to CV joint boots and more. I concluded that their low selling prices are an obvious result of low cost aka low quality goods. I started going out of my way to visit a NAPA and I am completely satisfied with them. I don't have anything good, bad, nor indifferent to say about the Gabriel's, except to wish you good luck with them. Best regards, Steve Offiler soffiler '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's ------------------------------ From: DJ250r Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:39:35 EDT Subject: Re: Front Shock Travel u can get rid of the coils and shocks all together you just have to spend about $750.00 a side for king coil over shocks with reservoirs then you can really go pound your truck off road lol ------------------------------ From: Fred Moreno Subject: Re: Alternative fuel trucks... Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:42:31 -0600 Tom H.(in Pheonix) asked a few fast questions: 1) Are vehicles with CNG (compressed natural gas) and LPG (liquid propane gas) running the same fuel? 2) For you guys with either of these. How many miles do you run between fill ups and .....how much does a fill up cost? 3) For anyone running one of these fuels. Do you have to pass emissions or are you relieved of this responsibility. That is, is alternative fuel the way to do whatever you want to the engine (for performace) without having to worry about emissions? 4) Does anyone have difficulties with extreme cold weather and these fuels? Phred (in El Paso/Las Cruces) replies: 1) Vehicles running around CNG diamond stickers are using natural gas that is compressed. It's the same stuff plumbed into many houses. The vehicles with the LPG stickers are using propane, the same stuff your BBQ uses, but it is stored in the tank as a liquid. 2) I have about 650 mile range with a small 50 gallon manifold tank in the bed of my truck. Because it is a maifold tank, you can't see it unless you look into the bed, its designed so that one can mount a toolbox on top of it. When we go on trips we fill with gasoline and propane, and the tiny gasoline tank (16-17gallons?) takes us about 250 miles and then we switch to propane and drive on for 650 miles. The CNG crowd are usually fleet vehicles with a predetermined route because CNG fueled vehicles have a very short range. A typical pickup truck with one or two tanks will only get about 8 to 15 gasoline gallons equivalent of CNG. This is not a recommended fuel for the daily driver that has long commutes, runs errands, and occasionally goes out of town. Usually the utilities, post office, and other delivery services use CNG because they always stay within city limits and close to the fueling site. 3) I know for Texas if the vehicle still has the ability to run on gasoline, it must be able to pass the standard emissions test. New Mexico drivers (that's me) don't have to deal with any emissions test yet, although this state has numerous other "alternative fueled" vehicles emitting that blue smoke screen behind them. In Arizona your state is very pro-alterative fuel since you get to by-pass the majority of your huge registration dues. If you want more detail and information about a conversion, there are a couple of guys I would highly recommend - in other words, steer you away from the "professionally challenged group". 4) The colder the weather the better the vehicle. You're dealing with a gas, so atomization of the fuel is no longer a problem, propane boils at -40 F so that's not a problem very often where you and I live. CNG boils at around - 260 F. Hope this answers your questions, email me directly if necessary. Phred, KD5AQB 1995 4X4, 5.0L, 5-speed, 181K miles ------------------------------ From: "Dennis E. Yukl" Subject: Superchip Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:10:22 -0700 I just installed my superchip, the vehicle is an 89' F250 XLT lariat, supercab, longbox, 4WD, C6 tranny. The truck returns nothing but pass codes. Having a hard time really noting any improvement. Does anybody know what kind of improvements I should expect?? ------------------------------ From: FLR150 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:17:05 EDT Subject: Re: Superchip Dennis, If it is the "stock" style programming, then you will notice more top end and shifting changes at WOT. You should also pick up a few miles per gallon. I have been using their chips for about 2 years and with the mods I have done, i couldn't run like I do without that chip. If you have any doubts, call them and they will help you out. Later, Wayne Foy NLOC #484 94 Flareside SC (Superchips powered) #2 Top Truck Atlanta GA http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:28:16 +1000 From: les williams Subject: Re: Alternative fuel trucks... Hi Tom, Quick questions call for quick answers, but this is such a deep subject !! and I'm still learning things. tom higgins wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I have a few fast questions. > > 1) Are vehicles with CNG (compressed natural gas) and LPG (liquid propane > gas) running the same fuel? No, LPG is a by product of the oil industry, in both the drilling for and processing of. > 2) For you guys with either of these. How many miles do you run between > fill ups and .....how much does a fill up cost? I'll put that question back to you. How much do you want to spend on LPG tanks ? My F100 fill up is 200 litres, or a about 900 k's. The price I pay is about 45% of whatever the petrol price is. The fairlane has a 72 ltr tank and does about 360-380 k's per fill. > 3) For anyone running one of these fuels. Do you have to pass emissions or > are you relieved of this responsibility. That is, is alternative fuel the > way to do whatever you want to the engine (for performace) without having to > worry about emissions? Once again I can't speak for the mainland USA, but down here, yes emissions are important and if you are going to do the big block transplant even 502's into you 300/6, and you opt for Propane fuel, it will save you a lot of Design Rule hassles. Generally the emissions are less anyway. Add a turbocharger, and the 351 LPG, will produce less than an idling petrol 351. - But don't take my word for it, talk to our nephew Phred or Mr AK Miller. ;-)) ( Wow !!, nephew Phred, being elevated to the same status as my hero, AK Miller ?? - or have I just pulled him back to your status ?? 8-)) I'm confused .... > 4) Does anyone have difficulties with extreme cold weather and these fuels? Some of the list subscribers from Canada would be better qualified thru experience to comment here. Maybe Chris ? Anyway, the fuel can't thicken like diesel fuel. But once again I don't have a problem, generally. I have turned the regulator to a 'snowball' only once on a cold start, but the coolant was a little short on antifreeze - hasn't happened since and we're still going into my 3rd winter on Propane. > Just some random thoughts I've had. > > Tom (in Pheonix) Tom, unfortunately, that's not half of the story. Other bonuses in running 100% propane, include increase in bottom end torque - right where Our truck's need it, longer engine life, no washing down the cylinder bore and rings with petrol on starts, no choke so no rich warm up time, no carbon grit is produced so cleaner oil, no fuel pumps or filters to fail or clog up. REALLY being able to run on a 160F thermostat. The regulator and mixer are so simple - very little to go wrong apart from normal maintenance. If you choose to add LPG and make it a dual fuel install, then the above bonuses no longer apply to the same extent. This all assumes the installation is done by people that KNOW what their doing - and that's easier said than done!! Does LPG perform ? Well yesterday I was playing around with a Jaguar series I, that had a Chebby 350 conversion, yes that's right, cylinders 1 & 4 were burning oil - badly, but it was still quite capable of 'baggin' up the tyres' in 1st and 2nd ..... and that was on an A300 impco mixer - even suprised me !! regards Les ------------------------------ From: soffiler Subject: Re: Superchip Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:24:04 -0400 A "few" MPG? Really!? Does that mean I could get my 13-mpg truck up to 16 or 17? I'm listening! What else needs to change? Air filter, exhaust, engine internals? Premium fuel? My truck is totally stock at the moment. Steve Offiler soffiler '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's > -----Original Message----- > From: 80-96-list-bounce > [mailto:80-96-list-bounce > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 12:17 PM > To: 80-96-list > Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Superchip > > > Dennis, > If it is the "stock" style programming, then you will notice > more top end and > shifting changes at WOT. You should also pick up a few miles > per gallon. I > have been using their chips for about 2 years and with the > mods I have done, > i couldn't run like I do without that chip. If you have any > doubts, call them > and they will help you out. > Later, > Wayne Foy > NLOC #484 > 94 Flareside SC (Superchips powered) > #2 Top Truck > Atlanta GA > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > message. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "tstaples Subject: Re: Superchip hey, what's the going price on one of these superchips?? are there different kinds?? i would do anything to get my truck better gas mileage.. does anyone know of a good place to get such a chip?? ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 soffiler > A "few" MPG? Really!? Does that mean I could get my 13-mpg truck up to 16 > or 17? I'm listening! What else needs to change? Air filter, exhaust, > engine internals? Premium fuel? My truck is totally stock at the moment. > > Steve Offiler > soffiler > '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: 80-96-list-bounce > > [mailto:80-96-list-bounce > > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 12:17 PM > > To: 80-96-list > > Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Superchip > > > > > > Dennis, > > If it is the "stock" style programming, then you will notice > > more top end and > > shifting changes at WOT. You should also pick up a few miles > > per gallon. I > > have been using their chips for about 2 years and with the > > mods I have done, > > i couldn't run like I do without that chip. If you have any > > doubts, call them > > and they will help you out. > > Later, > > Wayne Foy > > NLOC #484 > > 94 Flareside SC (Superchips powered) > > #2 Top Truck > > Atlanta GA > > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html > > ========================================================== > > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > > the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > > message. > > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar > the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:59:25 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: ADMIN: Important FTE Announcement The Ford Truck Enthusiasts have grown to a point where the mailing lists are in need of sponsors to cover the large server bandwidth fees that the lists are incurring. In the near future, there will be text sponsorship notices at the top of the digests and occasionally we'll run one on the live list for a day. As with the web site banner ads, sponsors will not have influence on content or editorial policy. Regards, Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: kb9odg.mark Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:42:46 -0500 Subject: Re: E4OD Ok, I finally got to drive the E-350 box van at work and have a few questions. The van is a '93 with a new diesel (~10,000 mi.) and it also shifts really hard. My boss just had it in for that and it came back the same way. I'm hoping this is something I can fix and save then more money. So Hal, your not alone with this 'hard' battle. - Mark Reimers KB9ODG '66 Bronco 170 I-6, 3-speed, 3.5" suspension lift, 3" body lift, 35" tires ... with an '88 5.0L and AOD waiting to go in! '87 F-150 XLT 4x2 300 I-6, 4-speed, straight pipe ... '93 E-350, Box van, Diesel > Hal, > One question here is can you with the way it's working? It would > drive me > nuts. Heavy duty stuff or not, these things are designed to sense > load and > shift smoothly under all conditions, especially when freshly > rebuilt. I > would take it back immediately. > Dave > > ....Just had the E4OD tranny rebuilt in my 91 F350, 196K and seals > bad. Now > it really slams from 1st to 2nd and a little less from 2nd to 3rd. > Also it > still acts goofy..... > > ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: FLR150 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:55:44 EDT Subject: Re: Superchip In a message dated 6/20/00 1:07:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tstaples writes: << hey, What's the going price on one of these Superchips?? are there different kinds?? I would do anything to get my truck better gas mileage. does anyone know of a good place to get such a chip?? >> Well, it depends on the year of your vehicle. The Superchips are available for any of the EECIV pcms and all of the EECV and OBD2 pcms. I believe Ford went to the EECIV in 1991 or 2 on the stangs and 1992 or 3 on the trucks. The speed density driven trucks pick up a LOT from the chips cause it allows them to be modified more than the stock PCM would. Of course the massair driven pcms accept a LOT of mods anyway, but it just makes it easier to do more mods with a programmable chip to adjust the parameters to accept the mods and have them work in harmony. The best place to purchase them would be from Superchips. They can be reached at Welcom e to Superchips . Later, Wayne Foy NLOC #484 94 Flareside SC #2 Top Truck Atlanta GA http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html ------------------------------ From: "big red" Subject: Re: Tailgate? Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:29:27 PDT can anyone tell me what year-range gates will fit? What's the >going price for used gates? New? As far as the year range that would be 80 to 86. Those model years have the same body style. As far as price goes I can't really help though. I bought a used one for my 87 for $75, but that was from a buddy of mine. I didn't have to shop around to find the best deal. ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "big red" Subject: Re: Tranny questions..again Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:34:51 PDT >At 07:41 AM 6/20/00 -0400, you wrote: >>I'd be leery of torque capacity of the tranny off the 3.8 Mustang. > > >Good point, Steve...hadn't thought of that. >Thanks, >Chuck Isn't the tranny behind the 94 and up model year mustang the same behind the.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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