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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 80-96-list); Fri, 09 Jun 2000 07:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 07:10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 80-96-list digest users Reply-to: 80-96-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 80-96-list Digest V2000 #109 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 80-96-list Digest Thu, 08 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 109 In This Issue: Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?. Re: more transmission problems Re: Seat Belt Question Re: Question on engine swap Re: Question on engine swap Re: more transmission problems Re: more transmission problems Looking for specs for an '84 2liter Ranger... Re: More transmission problems EFI with no choke Re: Van Re: Diesel Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI Re: Performance mods 84 F150 "run-on" problem Re: 84 F150 "run-on" problem temp and tachometer Re: temp and tachometer Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI Re: temp and tachometer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Terry & Carolyn Welshans" Subject: Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?. Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:49:00 -0500 A couple of things you need to know about Ford diesels..... First, the engine is made by Navistar, who identified a MAJOR problem in the cooling system almost 20 years ago . The coolant erodes the inside of the engine in the cylinder area, leading to pin-hole leaks, which can wreck the engine in less than 60k miles in some cases. They solved the problem by using a coolant additive, which reduces or eliminates the "cavitation" which causes the erosion. Ford, in its infinite wisdom failed to pass this vital piece of information on to the purchasers of these engines until a lawsuit was successfully won by a class of owners just a few years ago. The Ford diesel anti-freeze now contains the additive, so use NOTHING else. (except you can buy the additive directly from Navistar for 1/4 the cost.) A test kit is also available from Navistar, and I strongly recommend you get one and see if the coolant passes the test. If not, drain and refill with the good stuff, or add the additive from Navistar. Second, make sure you use clean, water-free diesel fuel, and change the filters as recommended in the diesel supplement (available from Helms at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.helmsinc.com , but currently on backorder) If you gas station doesn't move a lot of diesel, go some where else. Truck stops have good prices (30 cents less than unleaded right now) and have good clean fuel. Another good Ford diesel web site is http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel.  com. These diesel engines will last for 300-300k if they are maintained. Our 89 F250 4X4 7.3L/C6 truck pulls 10k loads just fine at 13 mpg, and we have gotten as much as 22.5 mpg running at 55 mph empty across the Illinois prairie, with 18-19 mpg on the average. Terry & Carolyn Welshans Lockport, IL http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=238749 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chicagoweb.net/tractors 1941 JD model B ------------------------------ From: "Serian" Subject: Re: more transmission problems Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:24:51 -0400 > brands of Mercron transmission fluid is quantity > ( I did drain the converter so it took about 12 > quarts plus two quarts for the transfer case) their > generic brand and Ammco. Could it be that this > Ammco fluid is causing the problem? I didn't know > if it was any good but I didn't want make a trip to > W#%-Mart the only other place open at the time. Perhaps it is the fluid type itself ? All the Ford vehicles I have ever owned use Type F trans fluid, and they slipped like heck if I put in that Dexron/Mercon stuff. Maybe the more modern units use different stuff ... I dont know, I dont own anything that new :-) ------------------------------ From: "David Penney" Subject: Re: Seat Belt Question Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 13:32:34 GMT By way of introductin--this is my first post to this listserv. I recently bought an '84 F150, I6 300 2WD, 4 speed manual tranny. I have been enjoying the posts and have found them very informative. My contribution, re: the seat belt question I just received a "gadget" catalog yesterday that offers an add on device they call a "seat belt adjuster". This thing consists of a pair of buckle like objects that they claim fits any seat belt and serves to keep the seat belt in its "proper place" and away from the neck. It sells for about $5. I make no claims for the efficacy of this device since I have never used or even seen one. If you want contact info please send me an direct e-mail outside of the listserv. Hope this helps, Dave '84 F150 2WD, I6300, 4 Spd manual ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Serian" Subject: Re: Question on engine swap Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:50:25 -0400 > My 300-6 is dead. In the 85 F150 what are the choices > for the engine with the 4 speed manual transmission. > Will any other engines bolt up. 240 I6 is the same block as the 300, i believe the 232 V6 fill fit in the V8 lineup, there is the 255, 289, 302, 351W and the 351M, 400, 429, 460 if you put anything besides a big inline six back in, you will have to change at least the radiator, engine mounts on the frame, throttle linkage, and exhaust system ... probably a few other parts. You also will need a rear sump oil pan and appropriate oil pickup tube for the engine that you are installing. > and what will I have to change? Are their any manuals > describing this change? I doubt that there is any manuals for it, but then again, thats what the FTE lists are for :-) ------------------------------ From: "Serian" Subject: Re: Question on engine swap Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:54:31 -0400 In regards to the 351W swap in place of the 300 I-6, another list member writes: > ... you will then need a different bellhousing,flywheel, pressure > plate,clutch ect. the ... not entirely true ... the 300I6 and the 351W use the same bellhousing. Some I6's used the 11" clutch assembly, but it was not common, and it is a good idea to upgrade anyway ... a bigger stronger clutch assy tends to last longer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:00:04 -0700 From: Chuck Sanborn Subject: Re: more transmission problems At 09:24 AM 6/8/00 -0400, you wrote: >Perhaps it is the fluid type itself ? All the Ford vehicles >I have ever owned use Type F trans fluid, If the tranny has had type f in it, then that is what has to be used since the clutches are soaked with it. If the tranny is new or newly rebuilt and it is a virgin fill, then Mercon III will work without problem. Cannot mix the two, even if the tranny has been drained. Chuck Sanborn Torrance, CA 1986 F150 six banger (Hers) 1964 Falcon Sprint ------------------------------ From: bennettr hiwaay.net Subject: Re: more transmission problems Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:10:50 -0500 Both the owners manual and the dip stick call for mercron fluid. Rex -----Original Message----- From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com [mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Sanborn Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 9:00 AM To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [80-96-list] Re: more transmission problems At 09:24 AM 6/8/00 -0400, you wrote: >Perhaps it is the fluid type itself ? All the Ford vehicles >I have ever owned use Type F trans fluid, If the tranny has had type f in it, then that is what has to be used since the clutches are soaked with it. If the tranny is new or newly rebuilt and it is a virgin fill, then Mercon III will work without problem. Cannot mix the two, even if the tranny has been drained. Chuck Sanborn Torrance, CA 1986 F150 six banger (Hers) 1964 Falcon Sprint ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Meisenzahl Subject: Looking for specs for an '84 2liter Ranger... All, I'm new to the list. I'm looking for references to any site that carry Chilton or Haynes like information for my 1984, 2 liter 4 cylinder, 2 wheel drive, no AC Ranger. Mainly looking for things like coolant capacity etc. All pointers appreciated. Thanks! Christopher Meisenzahl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: bennettr hiwaay.net Subject: Re: More transmission problems Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:47:45 -0500 Wayne, As a matter of fact I am close to Atlanta. Sense you have experience with this transmission what would you recommend? I noticed that Art Carr sells a AODE super rebuild kit for $236.00 but it doesn't say what is included in the kit. Is the standard rebuild of gaskets, seals, clutches and a shift kit for the valve body enough or are there other week parts in this transmission that should be upgraded? They don't list a 11.5" converter but then again most companies don't list all there products on their web pages. I use my truck mostly for light duty use but I do occasionally pull a rather heavy trailer so if I'm going to rebuild the transmission I want to make sure it will hold up. By the way I am still interested in that manual on CD I have just been busy and can't remember to mail the check. Thanks Rex -----Original Message----- From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com [mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of FLR150 aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 4:56 PM To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [80-96-list] Re: More transmission problems Rex, You can get a TC from Art Carr in the stock stall for about $350-$500. Where are you located? If you are near Atlanta, I have a transmission shop in Alpharetta that would hook you up. They say they can get decent convertors for around $300 and then of course there's the labor. If you want to do this yourself, I would check with Wrenchhead.com ,Carparts.com, Racesearch.com, or even Baumann Engineering for prices on the convertors they have. the convertor for the trucks were actually an 11.5" and TRUST ME you don't want to get any smaller than that. The heat the smaller convertors build up is tranny killing...don't ask me how I know. If you have anymore questions, ask away. Later, Wayne Foy NLOC #484 94 Flareside SC 1999 Fun Ford Weekend Racing series #2 Top Truck Atlanta GA ------------------------------ From: "David Anderson (EUS)" Subject: EFI with no choke Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:11:25 -0500 I've got a stock '90 model with the 300 EFI six that's acting just a carbureted engine with no choke function. Cold starts stall one or two times, it stalls sometimes putting it in gear and it's balky at light throttle. It just seems too lean. All is OK after warm up. Same during winter and summer, rain or shine. I think the coolant sensor and maybe the air intake sensor signal the computer that the engine is cold so I checked the resistance of these both cold and hot and they're OK. Also, after the thing finishes stalling, it has a fast idle so I think the computer knows the engine is cold. Here is the weird thing. If the truck sits for 3 or 4 days it starts and runs perfectly and continues to do so all day long. By the next day it's back to too lean again. I've been noticing this pattern for over a year now. I've checked and replaced a lot of stuff with no real effect. Thinking of what could dry out or cool off or somehow change while sitting idle all I could come up is the evaporative canister and I'm not really sure how that system works. Can anyone come up with anything I might check? Thanks, David Anderson ------------------------------ From: BanksRVA aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:59:11 EDT Subject: Re: Van I have an 82 E350 with a 351W. I was driving it on the highway and after about 10 minutes it started sputtering like it wasn't getting gas. It would run fine till you hit 50 mph then it would crap out. Go back down to 45 it's ok. What do you all think? Crap in the fuel line? Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ From: "Dave Harmier" Subject: Re: Diesel Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:20:48 -0500 >I have found an 88 F250 4x4 with a diesel engine with auto trns. Body looks >REAL good plus it is an extended cab. I have never been a diesel owner. I >presently have an 87 F150 w/302. The 87 is rusting and complains a bit when >towing the ~5500lb boat. >How good are those vintage diesels? What should I look for in regards >to problems? If the motor is shot what am I looking at for refurb? replace >with gas?? >Price seems reasonable... but I am diesel-ignorant. >Thanks, >_almus I like my '90 with a 7.3 (wish I could afford to call Gail Banks!!!) but as with every E4OD I've ever come in contact with, I wish I had a 5 speed. Your find probably has a 6.9 and C-6. If so I'd jump on it! Just remember they hold a lot of oil, and need an additive in the coolant to keep the cylinders good. Also I've always heard horror stories about letting one run out of fuel. Mine has twice now (pesky gauges!) and has managed to restart on the other tank each time (both times at idle, not at freeway speed) so I feel somewhat lucky. Dave H. Houston 90 F-350 Crew LWB (The BEAST) 91 F-150 SC LWB (Dads) 92 F-150 SC SWB (Sisters) ------------------------------ From: Lwskywalk aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:19:25 EDT Subject: Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI i have heard many of bad things about pre powerstroke moters alot of problems with them. just hearsay dont know too much but i have a 96 F350 powerstroke luke 94 F150 351 96 F350 7.3turbo ------------------------------ From: Lwskywalk aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:23:54 EDT Subject: Re: Performance mods i own a 94 F150 brand new 351 did a swap from a 302 that was built right before i blew it up. i would never go back to 302 in a truck. email me off list and we can do some talking about what i have done, also talk to wayne foy on the list he has helped me out tremendously.. luke ------------------------------ From: MRStace84 aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:54:20 EDT Subject: 84 F150 "run-on" problem Hello List, My 84 F150 300-6 has a little "run-on" problem. I'm sure there is a better term to describe it, but what happens is when I turn the key off the engine doesn't quit immediately, but sputters for about 2 or 3 seconds and then dies. Other than this the truck runs great, and it's getting great gas mileage (14 mpg), not bad for a 300 paired up with an automatic in a 4wd with 31x10.50 tires. I was wondering what generally causes this? is it carb related or timing related, or something else? Thanks, Stacy Fisher 84 F150 4x4 98 Ranger XLT 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 19:22:17 -0700 From: chuck sanborn Subject: Re: 84 F150 "run-on" problem At 09:54 PM 6/8/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hello List, > >My 84 F150 300-6 has a little "run-on" problem. I'm sure there is a better >term to describe it, but what happens is when I turn the key off the engine >doesn't quit immediately, but sputters for about 2 or 3 seconds and then >dies. The following was taken from: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://doityourself.com/auto/tunedieseling.htm This also is known as "after-run' The engine keeps chugging and coughing for several seconds or more after the ignition is shut off. Causes can range from inferior gas to excessive idle speed. Carbon in the combustion chamber also may cause dieseling. Exhaust Odor The smell of rotten eggs comes from the catalytic converter part of your car's emissions control system. The odor can be due to an engine problem or it can be a sign your car's catalytic converter is malfunctioning. Rough Running A malfunction in either the fuel or ignition system can cause an engine to run rough. It also can be due to an internal engine condition, such as a bad valve or piston. Does it occur when idling? When accelerating? At all speeds? Your best bet Have a qualified technician perform diagnostic and tune-up services as needed. A first class tune-up includes a thorough diagnostic check by a qualified technician Chuck Sanborn Torrance, CA 86 F150 300 cu in six banger FAX 1-310-822-6815 ------------------------------ Subject: temp and tachometer From: craig n eggerman Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 23:38:24 EDT Completed the installation of a second temp gauge on my 88 e-350. Found a good spot for the sensor in a port that had a plug in it on top of the thermostat housing. The ford gauge were definitely reading high. Now if I can figure out why. The symptoms for a faulty voltage regulator do not sound right so maybe it is something else. Any ideas? Next is a tach install. Does any one know which wire to hook the tach lead up to ? I mean what wire color code. Craig Eggerman juno.com Casper,Wyoming O|||||O ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:48:11 -0700 From: Chris McKinnon Subject: Re: temp and tachometer >Completed the installation of a second temp gauge on my 88 e-350. Found a >good spot for the sensor in a port that had a plug in it on top of the >thermostat housing. The ford gauge were definitely reading high. Now if I >can figure out why. The symptoms for a faulty voltage regulator do not >sound right so maybe it is something else. Any ideas? >Next is a tach install. Does any one know which wire to hook the tach >lead up to ? I mean what wire color code. >Craig >Eggerman juno.com >Casper,Wyoming >O|||||O > The green one coming out of the TFI box I beleve. Chris ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" Subject: Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:09:19 -0700 The 6.9 and 7.3 (both IDI and DI turbo) engines are not all that bad. With proper maintenance, they will hold up for many miles of hard work. Yes, they do have some problems with cavitation in the cooling systems, but the same holds true for most diesel engines small and large. Besides the normal glow plug control system failures which seem to affect all from the 6.9 to the latest Powerstroke there isn't many major mechanical problems with the IH diesels. The only things that stand out in my mind is head gasket failures and valve guide problems on the early 7.3's. Most of them that I have done were as an independent contractor for UHaul were 1600 series International trucks, F350s and E350's that are not exactly taken care of by the numerous drivers. Jason '69 Bronco '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke '84 F250 4WD 6.9 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:19 PM Subject: [80-96-list] Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI > i have heard many of bad things about pre powerstroke moters alot of problems > with them. just hearsay dont know too much but i have a 96 F350 powerstroke > > > luke > 94 F150 351 > 96 F350 7.3turbo > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ------------------------------ From: MRStace84 aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:06:26 EDT Subject: Re: temp and tachometer The green wire should hook to the negative side of your coil, if my memory serves me correctly. Stacy Fisher 84 F150 4x4 98 Ranger XLT 4x4 In a message dated 6/8/00 11:42:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eggerman juno.com writes: << Completed the installation of a second temp gauge on my 88 e-350. Found a good spot for the sensor in a port that had a plug in it on top of the thermostat housing. The ford gauge were definitely reading high. Now if I can figure out why. The symptoms for a faulty voltage regulator do not sound right so maybe it is something else. Any ideas? Next is a tach install. Does any one know which wire to hook the tach lead up to ? I mean what wire color code. Craig Eggerman juno.comCasper,Wyoming O|||||O >> ------------------------------ End of 80-96-list Digest V2000 #109 *********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 80-96 Truck Mailing List Send posts to 80-96-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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