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80-96-list Digest Thu, 08 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 109

In This Issue:
Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.
Re: more transmission problems
Re: Seat Belt Question
Re: Question on engine swap
Re: Question on engine swap
Re: more transmission problems
Re: more transmission problems
Looking for specs for an '84 2liter Ranger...
Re: More transmission problems
EFI with no choke
Re: Van
Re: Diesel
Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI
Re: Performance mods
84 F150 "run-on" problem
Re: 84 F150 "run-on" problem
temp and tachometer
Re: temp and tachometer
Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI
Re: temp and tachometer

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From: "Terry & Carolyn Welshans" mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:49:00 -0500

A couple of things you need to know about Ford diesels.....

First, the engine is made by Navistar, who identified a
MAJOR problem in the cooling system almost 20 years ago .
The coolant erodes the inside of the engine in the cylinder
area, leading to pin-hole leaks, which can wreck the engine
in less than 60k miles in some cases. They solved the
problem by using a coolant additive, which reduces or
eliminates the "cavitation" which causes the erosion. Ford,
in its infinite wisdom failed to pass this vital piece of
information on to the purchasers of these engines until a
lawsuit was successfully won by a class of owners just a few
years ago. The Ford diesel anti-freeze now contains the
additive, so use NOTHING else. (except you can buy the
additive directly from Navistar for 1/4 the cost.) A test
kit is also available from Navistar, and I strongly
recommend you get one and see if the coolant passes the
test. If not, drain and refill with the good stuff, or add
the additive from Navistar.

Second, make sure you use clean, water-free diesel fuel, and
change the filters as recommended in the diesel supplement
(available from Helms at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.helmsinc.com , but
currently on backorder) If you gas station doesn't move a
lot of diesel, go some where else. Truck stops have good
prices (30 cents less than unleaded right now) and have good
clean fuel.

Another good Ford diesel web site is
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com.

These diesel engines will last for 300-300k if they are
maintained.

Our 89 F250 4X4 7.3L/C6 truck pulls 10k loads just fine at
13 mpg, and we have gotten as much as 22.5 mpg running at 55
mph empty across the Illinois prairie, with 18-19 mpg on the
average.

Terry & Carolyn Welshans
Lockport, IL

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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: more transmission problems
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:24:51 -0400


> brands of Mercron transmission fluid is quantity
> ( I did drain the converter so it took about 12
> quarts plus two quarts for the transfer case) their
> generic brand and Ammco. Could it be that this
> Ammco fluid is causing the problem? I didn't know
> if it was any good but I didn't want make a trip to
> W#%-Mart the only other place open at the time.

Perhaps it is the fluid type itself ? All the Ford vehicles
I have ever owned use Type F trans fluid, and they slipped
like heck if I put in that Dexron/Mercon stuff. Maybe the
more modern units use different stuff ... I dont know, I dont
own anything that new :-)



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From: "David Penney" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Seat Belt Question
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 13:32:34 GMT

By way of introductin--this is my first post to this listserv. I recently
bought an '84 F150, I6 300 2WD, 4 speed manual tranny. I have been enjoying
the posts and have found them very informative.

My contribution, re: the seat belt question

I just received a "gadget" catalog yesterday that offers an add on device
they call a "seat belt adjuster". This thing consists of a pair of buckle
like objects that they claim fits any seat belt and serves to keep the seat
belt in its "proper place" and away from the neck. It sells for about $5. I
make no claims for the efficacy of this device since I have never used or
even seen one. If you want contact info please send me an direct e-mail
outside of the listserv.

Hope this helps,

Dave
'84 F150 2WD, I6300, 4 Spd manual

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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: Question on engine swap
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:50:25 -0400


> My 300-6 is dead. In the 85 F150 what are the choices
> for the engine with the 4 speed manual transmission.
> Will any other engines bolt up.

240 I6 is the same block as the 300, i believe
the 232 V6 fill fit
in the V8 lineup, there is the 255, 289, 302, 351W
and the 351M, 400, 429, 460

if you put anything besides a big inline six back in, you will
have to change at least the radiator, engine mounts on the frame,
throttle linkage, and exhaust system ... probably a few other parts.
You also will need a rear sump oil pan and appropriate oil pickup
tube for the engine that you are installing.

> and what will I have to change? Are their any manuals
> describing this change?

I doubt that there is any manuals for it, but then again, thats
what the FTE lists are for :-)




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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: Question on engine swap
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:54:31 -0400


In regards to the 351W swap in place of the 300 I-6,
another list member writes:

> ... you will then need a different bellhousing,flywheel, pressure
> plate,clutch ect. the ...

not entirely true ... the 300I6 and the 351W use the same bellhousing.
Some I6's used the 11" clutch assembly, but it was not common, and
it is a good idea to upgrade anyway ... a bigger stronger clutch assy
tends to last longer.



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Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:00:04 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: more transmission problems

At 09:24 AM 6/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Perhaps it is the fluid type itself ? All the Ford vehicles
>I have ever owned use Type F trans fluid,

If the tranny has had type f in it, then that is what has to be
used since the clutches are soaked with it. If the tranny is
new or newly rebuilt and it is a virgin fill, then Mercon III will
work without problem. Cannot mix the two, even if the tranny
has been drained.



Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
1986 F150 six banger (Hers)
1964 Falcon Sprint


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From: bennettr hiwaay.net
Subject: Re: more transmission problems
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:10:50 -0500

Both the owners manual and the dip stick call for mercron fluid.
Rex

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At 09:24 AM 6/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Perhaps it is the fluid type itself ? All the Ford vehicles
>I have ever owned use Type F trans fluid,

If the tranny has had type f in it, then that is what has to be
used since the clutches are soaked with it. If the tranny is
new or newly rebuilt and it is a virgin fill, then Mercon III will
work without problem. Cannot mix the two, even if the tranny
has been drained.



Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
1986 F150 six banger (Hers)
1964 Falcon Sprint

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:53:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christopher Meisenzahl yahoo.com>
Subject: Looking for specs for an '84 2liter Ranger...

All,

I'm new to the list. I'm looking for references to any site that carry
Chilton or Haynes like information for my 1984, 2 liter 4 cylinder, 2
wheel drive, no AC Ranger.

Mainly looking for things like coolant capacity etc.

All pointers appreciated.

Thanks!

Christopher Meisenzahl

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From: bennettr hiwaay.net
Subject: Re: More transmission problems
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:47:45 -0500

Wayne,
As a matter of fact I am close to Atlanta. Sense you have experience with
this transmission what would you recommend? I noticed that Art Carr sells a
AODE super rebuild kit for $236.00 but it doesn't say what is included in
the kit. Is the standard rebuild of gaskets, seals, clutches and a shift
kit for the valve body enough or are there other week parts in this
transmission that should be upgraded? They don't list a 11.5" converter but
then again most companies don't list all there products on their web pages.
I use my truck mostly for light duty use but I do occasionally pull a rather
heavy trailer so if I'm going to rebuild the transmission I want to make
sure it will hold up.
By the way I am still interested in that manual on CD I have just been busy
and can't remember to mail the check.
Thanks
Rex

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To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: More transmission problems

Rex,
You can get a TC from Art Carr in the stock stall for about $350-$500. Where
are you located? If you are near Atlanta, I have a transmission shop in
Alpharetta that would hook you up. They say they can get decent convertors
for around $300 and then of course there's the labor. If you want to do this
yourself, I would check with Wrenchhead.com ,Carparts.com, Racesearch.com,
or
even Baumann Engineering for prices on the convertors they have. the
convertor for the trucks were actually an 11.5" and TRUST ME you don't want
to get any smaller than that. The heat the smaller convertors build up is
tranny killing...don't ask me how I know. If you have anymore questions, ask
away.
Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA


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From: "David Anderson (EUS)" am1.ericsson.se>
Subject: EFI with no choke
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:11:25 -0500

I've got a stock '90 model with the 300 EFI six that's acting just a
carbureted engine with no choke function. Cold starts stall one or two
times, it stalls sometimes putting it in gear and it's balky at light
throttle. It just seems too lean. All is OK after warm up. Same during
winter and summer, rain or shine. I think the coolant sensor and maybe the
air intake sensor signal the computer that the engine is cold so I checked
the resistance of these both cold and hot and they're OK. Also, after the
thing finishes stalling, it has a fast idle so I think the computer knows
the engine is cold. Here is the weird thing. If the truck sits for 3 or 4
days it starts and runs perfectly and continues to do so all day long. By
the next day it's back to too lean again. I've been noticing this pattern
for over a year now. I've checked and replaced a lot of stuff with no real
effect. Thinking of what could dry out or cool off or somehow change while
sitting idle all I could come up is the evaporative canister and I'm not
really sure how that system works. Can anyone come up with anything I might
check?

Thanks,
David Anderson


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From: BanksRVA aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:59:11 EDT
Subject: Re: Van

I have an 82 E350 with a 351W. I was driving it on the highway and after
about 10 minutes it started sputtering like it wasn't getting gas. It would
run fine till you hit 50 mph then it would crap out. Go back down to 45 it's
ok.
What do you all think? Crap in the fuel line?
Thanks,
Joe

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From: "Dave Harmier" pdq.net>
Subject: Re: Diesel
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:20:48 -0500

>I have found an 88 F250 4x4 with a diesel engine with auto trns. Body
looks
>REAL good plus it is an extended cab. I have never been a diesel owner. I
>presently have an 87 F150 w/302. The 87 is rusting and complains a bit
when
>towing the ~5500lb boat.

>How good are those vintage diesels? What should I look for in regards
>to problems? If the motor is shot what am I looking at for refurb? replace
>with gas??

>Price seems reasonable... but I am diesel-ignorant.

>Thanks,
>_almus

I like my '90 with a 7.3 (wish I could afford to call Gail Banks!!!) but as
with every E4OD I've ever come in contact with, I wish I had a 5 speed.

Your find probably has a 6.9 and C-6. If so I'd jump on it! Just remember
they hold a lot of oil, and need an additive in the coolant to keep the
cylinders good.

Also I've always heard horror stories about letting one run out of fuel.
Mine has twice now (pesky gauges!) and has managed to restart on the other
tank each time (both times at idle, not at freeway speed) so I feel
somewhat lucky.

Dave H.
Houston
90 F-350 Crew LWB (The BEAST)
91 F-150 SC LWB (Dads)
92 F-150 SC SWB (Sisters)



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From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:19:25 EDT
Subject: Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI

i have heard many of bad things about pre powerstroke moters alot of problems
with them. just hearsay dont know too much but i have a 96 F350 powerstroke


luke
94 F150 351
96 F350 7.3turbo

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From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:23:54 EDT
Subject: Re: Performance mods

i own a 94 F150 brand new 351 did a swap from a 302 that was built right
before i blew it up. i would never go back to 302 in a truck. email me off
list and we can do some talking about what i have done, also talk to wayne
foy on the list he has helped me out tremendously..

luke

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From: MRStace84 aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:54:20 EDT
Subject: 84 F150 "run-on" problem

Hello List,

My 84 F150 300-6 has a little "run-on" problem. I'm sure there is a better
term to describe it, but what happens is when I turn the key off the engine
doesn't quit immediately, but sputters for about 2 or 3 seconds and then
dies. Other than this the truck runs great, and it's getting great gas
mileage (14 mpg), not bad for a 300 paired up with an automatic in a 4wd with
31x10.50 tires. I was wondering what generally causes this? is it carb
related or timing related, or something else?

Thanks,
Stacy Fisher

84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4

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Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 19:22:17 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: 84 F150 "run-on" problem

At 09:54 PM 6/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello List,
>
>My 84 F150 300-6 has a little "run-on" problem. I'm sure there is a better
>term to describe it, but what happens is when I turn the key off the engine
>doesn't quit immediately, but sputters for about 2 or 3 seconds and then
>dies.

The following was taken from: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://doityourself.com/auto/tunedieseling.htm

This also is known as "after-run' The
engine keeps chugging and coughing
for several seconds or more after the
ignition is shut off. Causes can range
from inferior gas to excessive idle
speed.

Carbon in the combustion chamber
also may cause dieseling.

Exhaust Odor

The smell of rotten eggs comes from
the catalytic converter part of your
car's emissions control system. The
odor can be due to an engine problem
or it can be a sign your car's catalytic
converter is malfunctioning.


Rough Running

A malfunction in either the fuel or
ignition system can cause an engine
to run rough. It also can be due to an
internal engine condition, such as a
bad valve or piston.

Does it occur when idling? When
accelerating? At all speeds? Your
best bet Have a qualified technician
perform diagnostic and tune-up
services as needed.

A first class tune-up includes a
thorough diagnostic check by a
qualified technician

Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
86 F150 300 cu in six banger
FAX 1-310-822-6815


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Subject: temp and tachometer
From: craig n eggerman juno.com>
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 23:38:24 EDT

Completed the installation of a second temp gauge on my 88 e-350. Found a
good spot for the sensor in a port that had a plug in it on top of the
thermostat housing. The ford gauge were definitely reading high. Now if I
can figure out why. The symptoms for a faulty voltage regulator do not
sound right so maybe it is something else. Any ideas?
Next is a tach install. Does any one know which wire to hook the tach
lead up to ? I mean what wire color code.
Craig
Eggerman juno.com
Casper,Wyoming
O|||||O

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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:48:11 -0700
From: Chris McKinnon cnx.net>
Subject: Re: temp and tachometer

>Completed the installation of a second temp gauge on my 88 e-350. Found a
>good spot for the sensor in a port that had a plug in it on top of the
>thermostat housing. The ford gauge were definitely reading high. Now if I
>can figure out why. The symptoms for a faulty voltage regulator do not
>sound right so maybe it is something else. Any ideas?
>Next is a tach install. Does any one know which wire to hook the tach
>lead up to ? I mean what wire color code.
>Craig
>Eggerman juno.com
>Casper,Wyoming
>O|||||O
>
The green one coming out of the TFI box I beleve.
Chris


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From: "Jason Derra" internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:09:19 -0700

The 6.9 and 7.3 (both IDI and DI turbo) engines are not all that bad. With
proper maintenance, they will hold up for many miles of hard work. Yes,
they do have some problems with cavitation in the cooling systems, but the
same holds true for most diesel engines small and large. Besides the
normal glow plug control system failures which seem to affect all from the
6.9 to the latest Powerstroke there isn't many major mechanical problems
with the IH diesels. The only things that stand out in my mind is head
gasket failures and valve guide problems on the early 7.3's. Most of them
that I have done were as an independent contractor for UHaul were 1600
series International trucks, F350s and E350's that are not exactly taken
care of by the numerous drivers.

Jason
'69 Bronco
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
'84 F250 4WD 6.9
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> i have heard many of bad things about pre powerstroke moters alot of
problems
> with them. just hearsay dont know too much but i have a 96 F350
powerstroke
>
>
> luke
> 94 F150 351
> 96 F350 7.3turbo
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From: MRStace84 aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:06:26 EDT
Subject: Re: temp and tachometer

The green wire should hook to the negative side of your coil, if my memory
serves me correctly.

Stacy Fisher
84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4


In a message dated 6/8/00 11:42:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
eggerman juno.com writes:

<< Completed the installation of a second temp gauge on my 88 e-350. Found a
good spot for the sensor in a port that had a plug in it on top of the
thermostat housing. The ford gauge were definitely reading high. Now if I
can figure out why. The symptoms for a faulty voltage regulator do not
sound right so maybe it is something else. Any ideas?
Next is a tach install. Does any one know which wire to hook the tach
lead up to ? I mean what wire color code.
Craig
Eggermanjuno.com
Casper,Wyoming
O|||||O >>

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