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In This Issue:
A forum site this good for ford cars?
More transmission problems
Re: Cleaning a pumpkin
Will it fit?
Re: Cleaning a pumpkin
Re: Cleaning a pumpkin
Re: More transmission problems
Re: 1990 F250 problem, HELP!!
88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI
Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI
Re: speakers
Re: Mystery transmission part
Performance mods
creaking and popping
Re: creaking and popping
Re: More transmission problems
Re: Performance mods
adj timing control with duraspark box
Re: 1990 F250 problem, HELP!!
Re: Performance mods
Re: Performance mods
front end noise
Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI
Re: Performance mods
Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI
Re: More transmission problems
Re: Grinding front brakes
Re: More transmission problems
Question on engine swap
Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI
Re: Question on engine swap
Re: blower quits
Re: blower quits
Re: injectors - 2051's

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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:32:03 -0400
From: "Ron Eaker" NPCo.Com>
Subject: A forum site this good for ford cars?

Does any one know a forum site this good for ford cars, especially 89 Lincolns?

Thanks
Ron


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From: bennettr hiwaay.net
Subject: More transmission problems
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:43:35 -0500

I recently purchased a 95 F150 XLT SC 4x4 with the 5.0 and AODE/4R70W
transmission, This truck has 140K miles on it but runs very good and is
clean, plus the price was right if I do have to fix a few things. Anyway I
noticed that every now and then when the transmission would shift from 3rd
to 4th I would feel a very slight shudder. My momís Lincoln has done this
in the past and a fluid change always cured the problem so I decided to
change the fluid and filter. After getting everything back together last
night, once it was determined that the loose plug in the pan was a shipping
plug, the problem is much worse. Now the transmission seems like it is
hesitant to shift into 4th and when it does it shudders hard and seems to
have a lot of slippage. If I slightly lift on the gas then it shifts
smooth. Also it shudders when the converter unlocks like when starting up a
hill or accelerating. I hadnít noticed this until after the fluid change.

I have been working real late everyday so by the time I get off the parts
store I normally use is closed, so I bought the filter and fluid at
Autozone, the only place open late. For some reason they only had two
brands of Mercron transmission fluid is quantity ( I did drain the converter
so it took about 12 quarts plus two quarts for the transfer case) their
generic brand and Ammco. Could it be that this Ammco fluid is causing the
problem? I didnít know if it was any good but I didnít want make a trip to
W#%-Mart the only other place open at the time.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Rex


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From: Greg Carter entrust.com>
Subject: Re: Cleaning a pumpkin
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:01:45 -0400

Ideally a pressure washer and degreaser, then dry it with compressed air.
If you take it to your local car wash you wont have the option of blowing it
dry.

I would definitely wash it out first to get any big particles out before
turning the gears. Also you should probably take the end caps off and take
the bearings out and clean them. If they are pressed on this might not be
so easy.

If you want those gears/bearings to last you should do everything you can to
get them as clean as possible. You should be almost fanatical about getting
them clean.

Bye.

Greg Carter
Entrust Technologies - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.entrust.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/buildup/dana60.html


-----Original Message-----
From: chuck sanborn [mailto:slammer deltanet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:12 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Cc: TFFN quik.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Cleaning a pumpkin


A buddy of mine just gave me a pumpkin with
3.55's. It had been rebuilt and run in his 48
truck for a couple of weeks. It has been sitting
in his garage now for about a year. Very dirty
and still a small amount of gear oil in it. My
question is what is the best thing to clean it
with. Should I just pour mineral spirits into it
and rotate the gears a whole bunch of times...
take it to the local self serve car was and spray
it with that grease cleaner? Ideas from them
that knows these things?
Thanks,
Chuck
Chuck Sanborn FCA# 07175
Torrance, CA
1964 Falcon Sprint
FAX 1-310-822-6815

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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:25:44 -0500
From: Steve Randa ch-advertising.com>
Subject: Will it fit?

I've got an '84 that I would love to put a cowl hood on. I'm jealous of
the later models that have Cervini as a source for this part. Has anyone
ever tried (I realize the lines of the hood won't match up with the
front quarters) fitting a '93 or later hood to an 80-86 truck? **All I'm
concerned with at this moment is...Does the latch line up and close
properly?** What I'm planning on trying is getting a Cervini hood and
having a body man that's great at fiberglass (probably a Corvette guy
unfortunately) match the lines of where the hood meets the front
quarters. I can't be the only guy who's thought about this!

Steve Randa

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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 07:04:01 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Cleaning a pumpkin

At 08:04 AM 6/7/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I've seen in the rags where they use brake cleaner.
Easy enough to apply :-)
Now that you mention it there are several recent articles
on rear end rebuilding/cleaning.
Thanks,
Chuck


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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 07:26:06 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Cleaning a pumpkin

At 10:01 AM 6/7/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I would definitely wash it out first to get any big particles out before
>turning the gears

Thanks Greg... I can always use my compressor to give it a pressure
wash with Castrol mean purple stuff, then dry it then spray it with
brake cleaner.
Chuck


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From: soffiler centraltools.com
Subject: Re: More transmission problems
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:32:32 -0400

I would check the owner's manual for the exact recommended fluid, and use
it. The manufacturers play games with friction modifiers and whatnot, to
the point of confusion. Before your problem diagnosis continues, you should
be confident that you put in exactly what Ford wants you to put in there.

Steve Offiler
soffiler centraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of
> bennettr hiwaay.net
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 9:44 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] More transmission problems
>
>
> I recently purchased a 95 F150 XLT SC 4x4 with the 5.0 and AODE/4R70W
> transmission, This truck has 140K miles on it but runs very
> good and is
> clean, plus the price was right if I do have to fix a few
> things. Anyway I
> noticed that every now and then when the transmission would
> shift from 3rd
> to 4th I would feel a very slight shudder. My momís Lincoln
> has done this
> in the past and a fluid change always cured the problem so I
> decided to
> change the fluid and filter. After getting everything back
> together last
> night, once it was determined that the loose plug in the pan
> was a shipping
> plug, the problem is much worse. Now the transmission seems
> like it is
> hesitant to shift into 4th and when it does it shudders hard
> and seems to
> have a lot of slippage. If I slightly lift on the gas then it shifts
> smooth. Also it shudders when the converter unlocks like
> when starting up a
> hill or accelerating. I hadnít noticed this until after the
> fluid change.
>
> I have been working real late everyday so by the time I get
> off the parts
> store I normally use is closed, so I bought the filter and fluid at
> Autozone, the only place open late. For some reason they only had two
> brands of Mercron transmission fluid is quantity ( I did
> drain the converter
> so it took about 12 quarts plus two quarts for the transfer
> case) their
> generic brand and Ammco. Could it be that this Ammco fluid
> is causing the
> problem? I didnít know if it was any good but I didnít want
> make a trip to
> W#%-Mart the only other place open at the time.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> Rex
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:31:39 -0500
From: "Williams, Michael A" lmco.com>
Subject: Re: 1990 F250 problem, HELP!!

Todd:

Had a similar problem with a 1988 250 4wd I purchased a few years back.
Previous owner thought maintenance was something that the second owner does
- I guess he was right!

Got under it and found out the rear U-joint was shot, in fact due to
vibration and wear took out the differential yoke. Had to have the U-joints
cut off the shaft and new universal joints welded on. New yoke installed.
Rebalanced the shaft and reinstalled. Now drives like new.

Note for anyone with the 4wd option. All this vibration caused the two
bolts which secure the transfer case to fall out - not good! Installed two
new nylon locking bolts. I check them whenever I do the oil, no recurring
problem.

Mike Williams 1988 -250 4wd

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Subject: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:36:04 -0400
From: Almus Kenter head-cfa.harvard.edu>



I have found an 88 F250 4x4 with a diesel engine with auto trns. Body looks
REAL good plus it is an extended cab. I have never been a diesel owner. I
presently have an 87 F150 w/302. The 87 is rusting and complains a bit when
towing the ~5500lb boat.

How good are those vintage diesels? What should I look for in regards
to problems? If the motor is shot what am I looking at for refurb? replace
with gas??

Price seems reasonable... but I am diesel-ignorant.

Thanks,
_almus
--

almus kenter
(617)495-7056
akentercfa.harvard.edu
akenternh.ultranet.com



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From: soffilercentraltools.com
Subject: Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:03:47 -0400

> I have found an 88 F250 4x4 with a diesel engine with auto
> trns. Body looks
> REAL good plus it is an extended cab. I have never been a
> diesel owner. I
> presently have an 87 F150 w/302. The 87 is rusting and
> complains a bit when
> towing the ~5500lb boat.
>
> How good are those vintage diesels?

The diesel in 1988 was the forerunner to the modern Navistar Power Stroke
diesel. It was a 7.3 liter normally aspirated engine producing about 180 HP
(I think... sources mostly reliable). A year or two earlier they went from
6.9 liter to 7.3 liter. From what I hear, this engine cannot compare with
modern turbo diesels from Ford/Navistar or Dodge/Cummins in terms of
performance and fuel economy. However... it will pull any load you care to
hook up, all day, up hill and down valley, unlike any gas engine save maybe
the 460.


>... What should I look for in regards
> to problems?

I hear the only real trouble spot is fuel injection pumps that tend to need
fairly expensive service every 100K or so. This is heresay and taken from
my faulty memory, not a reliable source. I *THINK* there is a listserve
devoted specifically to ford diesels....?

If the motor is shot what am I looking at for
> refurb? replace
> with gas??

These diesels have the potential to last far longer than the rest of the
vehicle; some people claim average service life exceeding 250K and upwards
towards 500K miles. I don't believe the motor will be "shot" if it has
received scheduled maintenance. Diesels need more frequent oil & filter
changes and their capacity is quite large. Clean air filters and fuel
filters are critical to performance and economy too.

But don't even THINK about replacing it with a gas engine unless you are
mechanically talented, masochistic, and bored. We are talking different
wiring harness, fuel tanks and lines, front springs, and the list goes on
and on.

Good luck. I personally hope to own a diesel pickup someday.

Steve Offiler
soffilercentraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's


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From: "Dennis" valint.net>
Subject: Re: speakers
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:10:10 -0700

89' F250 XLT, ext cab,4WD, longbox.
I had one of my door speakers blow up on me. The truck only had the 2
speakers. I decided to put 4 in when i replaced the bad ones. Found info
that the doors took 5.25" and the back took 5x7". Purchased a matched set of
Kenwoods, fronts went in easy(I recommend buying new door clips before you
start to hold down the rattles), but there were no holes in the back behind
the panels. So if you are putting speakers in the back where there were none
you should pull a panel to make sure the cut outs are there.
YUKE
Idaho-Washington border
89' F250 351W
84' T-Bird 302(under powered, considering pulling computer and going to carb
system)


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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mystery transmission part
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:23:52 -0400


> Thanks
> Rex
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=21883&a=6673443
>

I don't know for sure about the 4R70W transmission ... it might be a
plug, as others have suggested. There is a diagram of something that
looks just like that unit pictured in my Chilton's Manual in the instructions
regarding fluid and filter change on a C4, where the part is shown as
being in the general location of the filler tube, with the long thin "handle"
part being pointed up the filler tube. All the C4's that I have ever taken
the pan off have never had this mystery part, so at least for the C4, it
seems not to be crucial.



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From: "Dennis" valint.net>
Subject: Performance mods
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:22:30 -0700

89' F250 XLT EXT CAB 4WD 351W C6
I love my truck, but it is a little under powered. Added a K&N filter, but
could notice no difference. Recently ordered a Superchip ($280) but had to
send it back for a reprogram, the chip did nothing on the performance end of
things but it did help the overall driveability, supposed to get it back
today. They say I am supposed to pick up 18HP and 27ft/lbs of torque. The HP
gain is said to be 10% did they really only equip these trucks with 180
ponies? I am also looking at exhaust mods, is there really anything to be
gained with a cat-back system? My pipes are all in good shape and the tail
pipe is a major part of the expense(1 in 2 out), is there such a thing as a
drop in replacement high flow muffler? Currently running 69mph in a 1/4
mile, though I think it is closer to 2/10, this is a wide open throttle
test, no holding gears or playing with throttle position, just floorboard.
Any guess's on what I should pick up for the varoius mods?


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From: "Dennis" valint.net>
Subject: creaking and popping
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:26:43 -0700

89' F250, when sitting still and turning the wheel the front end emits
creaking and popping sounds. Found a loose bolt on the stabilizer bracket,
but that did not help. The truck is tight and clean with no wander, all
rivets seem tight, any ideas? The noise seems to be coming from the area of
the steering box.


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From: soffilercentraltools.com
Subject: Re: creaking and popping
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:58:47 -0400

I am having a problem with ball joints right now. My symptoms sound
something like yours: a nasty screeching sound when the wheels are turned,
either sitting still or during low-speed manuevers. You can check for ball
joint looseness by jacking up the front end, grasping the tire at 12 and 6
oclock, and trying to move it in and out. (Beware that wheel bearing
looseness will feel similar, but it can be felt with hands at 3 and 9
o'clock as well)

Steve Offiler
soffilercentraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's



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> Subject: [80-96-list] creaking and popping
>
>
> 89' F250, when sitting still and turning the wheel the front end emits
> creaking and popping sounds. Found a loose bolt on the
> stabilizer bracket,
> but that did not help. The truck is tight and clean with no
> wander, all
> rivets seem tight, any ideas? The noise seems to be coming
> from the area of
> the steering box.
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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:03:11 EDT
Subject: Re: More transmission problems

In a message dated 6/7/00 9:47:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bennettrhiwaay.net writes:

<< Anyway I
noticed that every now and then when the transmission would shift from 3rd
to 4th I would feel a very slight shudder. >>

Rex,
This is a common problem on the AODE/4R70W trannies. I have become somewhat
of an expert on them after racing with one and having to rebuild it MULTIPLE
times to make it finally right. It is one of 2 things, most definitely
replace the Torque convertor. At 140,000 and no clue as to the previous
owners driving habits, the TC is probably worn out. Secondly get a quality
shift kit from say TransGo or Art Carr. This will bump up the fluid pressure
and help the "sliding" style engagement process designed into these
transmissions. When you changed the fluid and filter, it probably pulled some
of the "varnish" out that was assisting the worn convertor with engagement.
I hope I have helped
Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA

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From: soffilercentraltools.com
Subject: Re: Performance mods
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:07:50 -0400

> 89' F250 XLT EXT CAB 4WD 351W C6
> I love my truck, but it is a little under powered. Added a
> K&N filter, but
> could notice no difference. Recently ordered a Superchip
> ($280) but had to
> send it back for a reprogram, the chip did nothing on the
> performance end of
> things but it did help the overall driveability, supposed to
> get it back
> today. They say I am supposed to pick up 18HP and 27ft/lbs of
> torque. The HP
> gain is said to be 10% did they really only equip these
> trucks with 180
> ponies?

I haven't heard much good about Superchips. My understanding is that they
mostly fool around with ignition timing advance, and will require you to run
premium fuel. According to my '83-'90 MOTOR professional trade service
manual, the '88-'90 fuel-injected 351 is rated for 210HP at 3800rpm and 315
ft-lb at 2800 rpm. I think you are on the right track as far as affordable
performance mod's - make sure the intake and exhaust restrictions are
minimized to every extent possible. You might consider a full exhaust
system including tuned headers.



Steve Offiler
soffilercentraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's


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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: adj timing control with duraspark box
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:07:49 -0600


The "Ox-Man" wrote:

I just picked up the 3 plug duraspark box off an 81 van. From what I
remember, you need a 10K pot to make the timing adjustable. Only problem
is the 3rd plug has 3 wires, black (with white stripe), yellow and
brown. Anyone know which one does not get used?

Phred blurbs out;

If this unit has PN 8778 then yes Sir, you need a 10K pot to make it work
correctly. However I looked at our process sheets and your reference to a "3
plug duraspark box" does not match. What color strain relief does this unit
have, blue or brown or??? Or better yet, is there a part number?
If its one of ours I can help you out. Let us know.

Phred

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:22:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: "tstapleswpi.edu" WPI.EDU>
Subject: Re: 1990 F250 problem, HELP!!

hey,

ok here's the current status on my truck.. looks as if i have to replace t
he whole rear end...

I really want to do the job myself to save a ton of money but i'm not sure
if i will be able to..

has anyone on this list ever put in a rear end before on a 4x4 ...

is it too much of a job to do myself given that i pick up a used rear end
at a junk yard.??


should i just have someone else do it?

does anyone have an idea about how much it SHOULD cost.. ?

thanks
-Todd

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( Worcester Polytechnic Institute )
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( email: tstapleswpi.edu )
( work email: staplesnexen.com )
( work tele: 978-929-3007 )
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On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Williams, Michael A wrote:

> Todd:
>
> Had a similar problem with a 1988 250 4wd I purchased a few years back.
> Previous owner thought maintenance was something that the second owner does
> - I guess he was right!
>
> Got under it and found out the rear U-joint was shot, in fact due to
> vibration and wear took out the differential yoke. Had to have the U-joints
> cut off the shaft and new universal joints welded on. New yoke installed.
> Rebalanced the shaft and reinstalled. Now drives like new.
>
> Note for anyone with the 4wd option. All this vibration caused the two
> bolts which secure the transfer case to fall out - not good! Installed two
> new nylon locking bolts. I check them whenever I do the oil, no recurring
> problem.
>
> Mike Williams 1988 -250 4wd
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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:27:31 EDT
Subject: Re: Performance mods

In a message dated 6/7/00 12:19:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
soffilercentraltools.com writes:

<< I haven't heard much good about Superchips. My understanding is that they
mostly fool around with ignition timing advance, and will require you to run
premium fuel. According to my '83-'90 MOTOR professional trade service
manual, the '88-'90 fuel-injected 351 is rated for 210HP at 3800rpm and 315
ft-lb at 2800 rpm. I think you are on the right track as far as affordable
performance mod's - make sure the intake and exhaust restrictions are
minimized to every extent possible. You might consider a full exhaust
system including tuned headers. >>

Steve,
Sorry I have to disagree with you on the Superchips issue. I have been a
solid user of this companies wares for over 2 years on a custom application
and have had great experiences with them. On the performance issues, you are
correct in getting the exhaust out, but when you open it up, you have to
something to fill in the spaces like heads and intakes. If this is an EFI
application, the only company that makes an upper/lower intake combo is
Edelbrock. They are around $590 for the 351 intake combo.
Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA

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From: soffilercentraltools.com
Subject: Re: Performance mods
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:49:19 -0400

>
> Steve,
> Sorry I have to disagree with you on the Superchips issue. I
> have been a
> solid user of this companies wares for over 2 years on a
> custom application
> and have had great experiences with them. ...


Please, feel free to disagree! I respect your right to do so. I have no
direct experience with Superchips or any other performance chip. I have
heard and read quite a bit, and that is where I draw my opinion from. Aside
from individual anecdotal inputs, the one actual reference I can cite is a
Car & Driver Magazine article. They did a "shootout" of performance chips
several months ago. They asked various chip makers to send them a chip and
allowed the chip maker to choose the vehicle for testing. (This would allow
the chip makers to pick an application that made them look particularly
good). Then, C&D tested the stock vehicles both on a chassis dyno and also
at the drag strip, then installed the chips and re-tested. Decent
scientific method. My recollection is that the differences, published as
both graphic dyno curves and dragstrip results, were almost imperceptible.
All of the chips required premium fuel and functioned in various ways
depending on application by modifying the spark advance curve, the rev
limiter, the governor, etc. But the chip can't do a darn thing to help the
engine breathe better.

What has your specific experience been?


Best regards,
Steve Offiler
soffilercentraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's


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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:21:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Rozell yahoo.com>
Subject: front end noise

Hi All,
My 96 F150 is starting to drive me crazy, while driving the front end makes a screeching noise as
soon as I apply any pressure to the brakes the noise stops. I have checked the pads and it is not
the scrapper making contact with the roter. Does any one have any ideas???

Thanks in advance,
Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 SC 5.0

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From: Scrangler83aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:22:00 EDT
Subject: Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI

My boss has an 86 Diesel 250 that is great. he pulls all the time with it and
has over 230k miles on it!! its on its last legs now however.. it is 4 spd,
couldnt tell ya on the auto tranny.

Tom

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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:50:03 EDT
Subject: Re: Performance mods

In a message dated 6/7/00 12:54:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
soffilercentraltools.com writes:

<< What has your specific experience been?
>>
Well the best way to tell you is for one, check out my website
Wayne's Flareside and
Ford Page
or
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I have listed things that I have done to my truck under the Mods link. But my
truck, a 5200+ LB Flareside Supercab ran an 18.33 bone stock. The first mods
I did was the chip, under drive pulleys and the stock replacement K and N
filter. My times dropped over a second to a 17.23. I give maybe .2 to the
underdrive pulleys, maybe a .1 to the K and N and the rest goes to the chip.
As I have done more and more mods, they have reprogrammed my chip and got it
back to me fastidiously and pretty much on target for the changes I have
made. Now after 2 years of usage, they kinda sponsor me in the Fun Ford
Weekend series. If I make any more changes, they will let me bring it down to
the them and they retune it for free. I have sent MANY people to them and
they have had nothing but good luck also. My buddy has a 1997 Powerstroke
F350 with their stage 2 chip. You cant even feel his 24ft enclosed trailer
behind it now and the boost is up by almost 2 lb.. Just another great
testimonial.
No real ties to this company, just a very satisfied customer.
Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA

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From: "Mike Miller" blackfoot.net>
Subject: Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:33:45 -0600

I have an 85 F250 4x4 xcab 6.9L with a banks turbo (4 spd tranny) with 220k
miles on it. Engine burns a qt of oil every 200 miles or so. But, it still
pulls my 8k lb trailer with ease. 11 mpg towing and about 16 mpg when not
towing.

mike miller


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Date: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 12:35 PM
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:My boss has an 86 Diesel 250 that is great. he pulls all the time with it
and
:has over 230k miles on it!! its on its last legs now however.. it is 4 spd,
:couldnt tell ya on the auto tranny.
:
:Tom
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From: bennettrhiwaay.net
Subject: Re: More transmission problems
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:21:36 -0500

Wayne
That's what I was afraid of, the shift kits are pretty cheap and even the
rebuild kits for this transmission I have seen are not too bad price wise,
but the Torque converters I have seen run around $600.00 or more. With the
mileage this truck has on it I had figured that the transmission would need
some work I was just hoping it would last for a little while since it also
needs a set of tires. I have noticed that most places list a 9" and a 10"
torque converter for the AODE do you know which one these trucks use?
Thanks
Rex

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Rex,
This is a common problem on the AODE/4R70W trannies. I have become somewhat
of an expert on them after racing with one and having to rebuild it MULTIPLE
times to make it finally right. It is one of 2 things, most definitely
replace the Torque convertor. At 140,000 and no clue as to the previous
owners driving habits, the TC is probably worn out. Secondly get a quality
shift kit from say TransGo or Art Carr. This will bump up the fluid pressure
and help the "sliding" style engagement process designed into these
transmissions. When you changed the fluid and filter, it probably pulled
some
of the "varnish" out that was assisting the worn convertor with engagement.
I hope I have helped
Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
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From: bennettrhiwaay.net
Subject: Re: Grinding front brakes
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:38:07 -0500

Chuck,
No one replied to your message so I'll take a stab at it. I had this same
problem on a different truck (not a Ford) and I was told by the dealer that
it was caused by brake pad vibration, but it sounded bad like metal on
metal. On this truck if I pressed on the brakes harder the sound would stop
and it wouldn't always make the sound it would kind of come and go. They
did have a shim kit that had very thin shims that went behind the pads to
correct the problem but it didn't completely fixed it.
I don't know if this help or not.
Rex

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Subject: [80-96-list] Grinding front brakes


I changed the front brake pads in my 1990 F150 and since then I hear a
grinding sound when braking. I have checked the pads, rotors and
retainer pins and everything seems in order. Could it just be the brand
of pad that I used? If anyone It only seems to occur at very slow
stopping speeds. If anyone has had this problem I would appreciate your
suggestions. TIA

Chuck
Pasadena, TX

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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:56:26 EDT
Subject: Re: More transmission problems

In a message dated 6/7/00 4:46:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bennettrhiwaay.net writes:

<< But the Torque converters I have seen run around $600.00 or more. With the
mileage this truck has on it I had figured that the transmission would need
some work I was just hoping it would last for a little while since it also
needs a set of tires. I have noticed that most places list a 9" and a 10"
torque converter for the AODE do you know which one these trucks use?
Thanks
Rex >>

Rex,
You can get a TC from Art Carr in the stock stall for about $350-$500. Where
are you located? If you are near Atlanta, I have a transmission shop in
Alpharetta that would hook you up. They say they can get decent convertors
for around $300 and then of course there's the labor. If you want to do this
yourself, I would check with Wrenchhead.com ,Carparts.com, Racesearch.com, or
even Baumann Engineering for prices on the convertors they have. the
convertor for the trucks were actually an 11.5" and TRUST ME you don't want
to get any smaller than that. The heat the smaller convertors build up is
tranny killing...don't ask me how I know. If you have anymore questions, ask
away.
Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA

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From: "The Casey's" home.com>
Subject: Question on engine swap
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:16:10 -0700

My 300-6 is dead. In the 85 F150 what are the choices for the engine with
the 4 speed manual transmission. Will any other engines bolt up. and what
will I have to change? Are their any manuals describing this change?


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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:19:07 -0500
From: a&b uab.campuscw.net>
Subject: Re: 88 ford diesel..buy?.RFI

Try this guy's site. Excellent info on Ford diesels
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/home.html

soffilercentraltools.com wrote:

> > I have found an 88 F250 4x4 with a diesel engine with auto
> > trns. Body looks
> > REAL good plus it is an extended cab. I have never been a
> > diesel owner. I
> > presently have an 87 F150 w/302. The 87 is rusting and
> > complains a bit when
> > towing the ~5500lb boat.
> >
> > How good are those vintage diesels?
>
> The diesel in 1988 was the forerunner to the modern Navistar Power Stroke
> diesel. It was a 7.3 liter normally aspirated engine producing about 180 HP
> (I think... sources mostly reliable). A year or two earlier they went from
> 6.9 liter to 7.3 liter. From what I hear, this engine cannot compare with
> modern turbo diesels from Ford/Navistar or Dodge/Cummins in terms of
> performance and fuel economy. However... it will pull any load you care to
> hook up, all day, up hill and down valley, unlike any gas engine save maybe
> the 460.
>
> >... What should I look for in regards
> > to problems?
>
> I hear the only real trouble spot is fuel injection pumps that tend to need
> fairly expensive service every 100K or so. This is heresay and taken from
> my faulty memory, not a reliable source. I *THINK* there is a listserve
> devoted specifically to ford diesels....?
>
> If the motor is shot what am I looking at for
> > refurb? replace
> > with gas??
>
> These diesels have the potential to last far longer than the rest of the
> vehicle; some people claim average service life exceeding 250K and upwards
> towards 500K miles. I don't believe the motor will be "shot" if it has
> received scheduled maintenance. Diesels need more frequent oil & filter
> changes and their capacity is quite large. Clean air filters and fuel
> filters are critical to performance and economy too.
>
> But don't even THINK about replacing it with a gas engine unless you are
> mechanically talented, masochistic, and bored. We are talking different
> wiring harness, fuel tanks and lines, front springs, and the list goes on
> and on.
>
> Good luck. I personally hope to own a diesel pickup someday.
>
> Steve Offiler
> soffilercentraltools.com
> '97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's
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From: Lingus0169aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:39:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Question on engine swap

In a message dated 6/7/00 6:19:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
freebird2home.com writes:

<< My 300-6 is dead. In the 85 F150 what are the choices for the engine with
the 4 speed manual transmission. Will any other engines bolt up. and what
will I have to change? Are their any manuals describing this change?
>>
ahh yes, i did the same swap. i also have an 85 f150 4x4 with a 4 speed.
when my 300-i6 died, i opted for the 351w. for your engine compartment to
fit a 351w, you need to change the motor mounts. the 351w mounts are
riveted/bolted to the backside of the crossmember, the 351 also sits back
alittle deeper, but that is ok. you will then need a different
bellhousing,flywheel, pressure plate,clutch ect. the 300-i6 flywheel and and
pressure plate,clutch are 10". the 351w flywheel and pressure plate,clutch is
11". you CAN NOT use the 300 flywheel on the 351w. the 300 is internally
balanced, the 351 is external balance, or the other way around, i forget, but
you can not interchange them. it isnt a lot of work, the hardest thing for me
to find was the motor mounts, once i got them. it was a piece of cake putting
it together. what i did on my swap i remove the 300 wire harness and replaced
it with the one form the 351. if you have any other questions, feel free to
ask them, i will try my best to answer them.
nick
82 351w in
85 f150 4x4 t-18 np 205 8.8" 3.55
82 f100 six banger(brothers)

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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:22:57 -0500
From: Ezekial 2dogs.net>
Subject: Re: blower quits

My 93 did the same thing. Need a need motor and probably the blade
thingy to. I did. I just took the one out of my ol 88.

--

Ezekial (Derrick)
93 F-150 4x4, 351, SC, SB
66 Fastback Stang, 289HP, 4sp, 9inch
96 Conv. Stang, 3.8, lil add ons
www.2dogs.net/user_pages/ezekial/

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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:27:34 -0500
From: Ezekial 2dogs.net>
Subject: Re: blower quits

Wanted to add a lil more.. Mine made the whiring sound ALL the time and
you could turn it on high and back to low and right back to high and it
was perfect. But only on the high speed... Then it got worse and worse
to the point where it just stops. Take a look at it by taking it out.
Under the hood on the passenger side there is like 4 bolts (8mm I think)
and then use a screw driver and pry it away gently. The bearing is
probably the cause there and then it got so hot that the center of the
plastic fan part melted and was not longer attached to the motor. The
motor output shaft was just loose in there to...
hope this helps
--

Ezekial (Derrick)
93 F-150 4x4, 351, SC, SB
66 Fastback Stang, 289HP, 4sp, 9inch
96 Conv. Stang, 3.8, lil add ons
www.2dogs.net/user_pages/ezekial/

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Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 17:53:07 +1000
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: injectors - 2051's


Well, it's Nephew Phred, to the rescue again, Thank You.

I guess you right, the usual public warnings apply, Do not try any of
this at
home, We're Highly Trained & Qualified Professionals (??) and know what
we are
doing !!! ..... Yeah Sure !
Oh, and I have secured the video rights ...... so if we appear on the
world's
silliest, most dangerous, and dumb home videos & police pursuits, - I
get the
free t-shirt !!

The injectors, (BIG Suckers, aren't they !!) most people would be happy
to have a fuel pump flow at that rate. It's for an all ally 500cid Mo*ar
with dual inter cooled turbo's, burning avgas, and used in a boat, a
veerryyy
fast, and IMHO, a far too small a boat. The 2051 quote was in the ball
park of
$2,500 au$, and yes, since it's an '8 banger', so 8 would be ideal. It's
the
number 2 engine and want to build it to the same specs as #1. That's
where the
numbers come from. The set I have here is AC Delco/Rochester - 2051.
Since this
the FTE site, I wasn't going to use cussing words like 'AC Delco'. ;-))
I was lead to believe that MSD did in fact manufacture these units. The
question still stands, am I being 'screwed' ?

See ...?? .... Not a single propane bottle in sight, - I can talk
'petrol' ....

The 502 cid is yet another Chebby import, but as usual, the DR's and
simple
economics of fuel dictate the immediate conversion to LPG fuel. Once
the engine
conversion is done then the front end situation will be accessed.
Yeah, those W.O.T. tests are a real drag, but as the comedian, bill
cosby says in his famous 'tribute' to the shelby mustang, - 'Any back
street will
do....'

An update from my German friend :- turbo's will run reliably at up to
7-15 lb
boost, at a consistent 22-28 lb, he broke it !! Ooh Bugger .....On the
exhaust
side, it cracked two blades 180 deg apart, and one half of a blade
disappeared out the exhaust pipe, lucky, - for the engine.
At 28 lb boost, I'd love to know what the impeller rpm & rotor tip speed
is ? -
Yes, I know, very bloody fast !!

... Still having fun in, and around a ford ...

regards

[Uncle ?!?] Les
Lost in the Land of OZ



Fred Moreno wrote:

> His nephew replies,
>
> Les, how did you manage to get that part number? I was told it is not
> available even though the part number is in our database. It is described as
> an 85 lbs/hour, 2 ohm injector, but I am not sure if this is a Rochester
> brand - I want to say AC Delco but not 100% sure on that...and you want 8 of
> them!?!?
> Let me guess, you are going to flow propane through them? If you plan to
> flow vaporized propane, you will lose the cooling properties of the liquid,
> thus leading to an 'accelerated' degredation of the injector, premature
> failure, towing required, not an option, proceed with caution.
> Email me the price quote, I'm curious.
>
> Okay, on the subject of the F-150 about to recieve the transplant, I'll
> ask...where did you get the 502 cid engine? Uh, I do have a question; is the
> front suspension going to be assisted?
> One 450X should do the trick, you can confirm that by seeing how low your
> vacuum gauge reads at W.O.T. - I know you will hate to do that test, just
> make sure you test it several times to confirm all of your readings. Your
> goal is too be able to get to 2 inches of manifold vacuum or less at W.O.T.
> If you can't get that low, then you have too much restriction and a second
> X450 might be needed, assuming the air filter, hose diameter,etc, is not
> causing a restriction.
> What are you up to now Uncle Les, do we need to alert the authorities (or
> the media)?
>
> Phred, KD5AQB
> 1995 F-150 4X4 Eduardo Bauer, gasoline or propane fed 5.0L next to a
> 5-speed.
>
>

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