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80-96-list Digest Tue, 06 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 107

In This Issue:
Re: Seat Belt Question
Re: Can a O2 Sensors make the exhaust stink?
1990 F250 problem, HELP!!
Re: 1990 F250 xlt speaker sizes
Re: 1990 F250 problem, HELP!!
Grinding front brakes
Mystery transmission part
Re: Grinding front brakes
Re: Mystery transmission part
Re: Mystery transmission part
Re: Mystery transmission part
Re: Antifreeze
Re: 1990 F250 problem, HELP!!
blower quits
speedometer out
Re: Air conditioning
Re: Brake Question
Re: Brake Question
Re: 1990 F250 xlt speaker sizes
Re: blower quits
Re: Brake Question
adj timing control with duraspark box
a/c conversion
Cleaning a pumpkin
Re: a/c conversion
Re: adj timing control with duraspark box
New page layout
Re: Cleaning a pumpkin

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From: soffiler centraltools.com
Subject: Re: Seat Belt Question
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:07:07 -0400

Those upper belt mounts are built hell-for-stout to pass crash test
standards. Seems to me you'd be asking for trouble if you tried to move it.
How about some sort of clip to hold the belt to itself a couple inches below
the actual mount?

Steve Offiler
soffiler centraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Dave Harmier
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:39 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Seat Belt Question
>
>
> Now that my sister drives the '92, she complains of, and
> shows a red place
> on her neck where the seatbelt rubs. Have any of ya'll ever
> moved the upper
> pivot point for the belt down a couple inches? And how?
> I'm thinking weld a new nut on (with plenty of protection!!!)
> or maybe a
> clip nut. I know it'll never look right, but what else is there to do?
>
> Almost all new stuff come with adjustable uppers, why didn't
> they think of
> that sooner?
>
> Dave H.
> Houston
> 90 F-350 Crew LWB 7.3/E4OD Knapheide Service Body and
> liftgate (The BEAST)
> 91 F-150 SC LWB 5.8/E4OD Crossbed toolbox and liftgate (Dads)
> 92 F-150 SC SWB 5.0/E4OD Crossbed toolbox (Sisters)
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From: soffiler centraltools.com
Subject: Re: Can a O2 Sensors make the exhaust stink?
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:18:39 -0400

> I thought I had a bad converter because of the bad smell, the
> man at the muffler shop said because of the back sute(black
> smoke) he thought my O2 sensor may be bad, can an O2 sensor
> make the black smoke(running rich or lean) and the stink to?

Yes, an bad O2 sensor can cause rich running. Yes, running rich can cause
both soot/black smoke and odor.


Steve Offiler
soffiler centraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's


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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:59:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "tstaples wpi.edu" WPI.EDU>
Subject: 1990 F250 problem, HELP!!


hello all,

i have a strange problem with my 1990 F250 xlt that i was wondering if any
of you could shed some light on..

just the other day i noticed a strange whirring noise coming from what
seems to be about midway back on the truck.. about the transmission back
to the rear axle area.

The noise kind of sounds like really nubby tires sound on pavement.. but i
dont have nubby tires so that couldn't be it.

After investigation.. i have found a few things

the sound can only be heard when i am not accelerating and the gass pedal
is not pushed down. It's only when i'm coasting

Also, if i put the truck in neutral (it's a stickshift) the sound goes
away which leads me to believe it's something to do with the tranny.

Also, the truck shakes a real lot at about 70 - 75 mph as if it is out of
alignment, i'm not sure if that has anything to do with this specific
problem but i figured i'd mention it.

if anyone at all could help me in anyway in figuring out what is going on
i would greatly appreciate it. I am at work now (an hour away from
home) and i am scared to drive the thing home in fear that i might damage
some vital piece of my truck

thanks a ton
-Todd Staples
1990 F250 xlt

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On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Dave Harmier wrote:

> Now that my sister drives the '92, she complains of, and shows a red place
> on her neck where the seatbelt rubs. Have any of ya'll ever moved the upper
> pivot point for the belt down a couple inches? And how?
> I'm thinking weld a new nut on (with plenty of protection!!!) or maybe a
> clip nut. I know it'll never look right, but what else is there to do?
>
> Almost all new stuff come with adjustable uppers, why didn't they think of
> that sooner?
>
> Dave H.
> Houston
> 90 F-350 Crew LWB 7.3/E4OD Knapheide Service Body and liftgate (The BEAST)
> 91 F-150 SC LWB 5.8/E4OD Crossbed toolbox and liftgate (Dads)
> 92 F-150 SC SWB 5.0/E4OD Crossbed toolbox (Sisters)
>
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From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr." exit109.com>
Subject: Re: 1990 F250 xlt speaker sizes
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:25:00 -0400

Todd,

My '95 150 has 6.5's in the doors and 5x7's in the rear. With the
doors, remember that not all 6.5's are equal. I replaced the stock ones
with some Pioneers that I promptly blew out (my own fault), and then decided
on some really nice Cadence drivers. I swear by Cadence speakers, but the
casings were too beefy to fit in the holes. A little bit of time expanding
the holes with a small hammer rectified the situation. The Pioneers had fit
perfectly.

-Mike

>could anyone tell me what size the speakers are in this vehicle..


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Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 07:18:05 -0700
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: 1990 F250 problem, HELP!!

At 09:59 AM 6/6/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Also, if i put the truck in neutral (it's a stickshift) the sound goes
>away which leads me to believe it's something to do with the tranny.
>
>Also, the truck shakes a real lot at about 70 - 75 mph as if it is out of
>alignment, i'm not sure if that has anything to do with this specific
>problem but i figured i'd mention it.

Start with the cheap things first...check your U-joints, both front and rear.
They could be dry or the needle bearings could be shot.
Chuck
Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
1986 F150 six banger


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Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:20:04 -0600
From: Charles Biggs flash.net>
Subject: Grinding front brakes

I changed the front brake pads in my 1990 F150 and since then I hear a
grinding sound when braking. I have checked the pads, rotors and
retainer pins and everything seems in order. Could it just be the brand
of pad that I used? If anyone It only seems to occur at very slow
stopping speeds. If anyone has had this problem I would appreciate your
suggestions. TIA

Chuck
Pasadena, TX


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From: bennettr hiwaay.net
Subject: Mystery transmission part
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:37:22 -0500

In the process of changing my transmission fluid and filter on my 95 f150
with a 4R70W transmission, I dropped the transmission pan found a loose part
in the pan. What is it and where does it go? The transmission seams to be
OK and I can't see where this part might have came from. The link is to a
picture of the part.

Thanks
Rex


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=21883&a=6673443


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From: soffiler centraltools.com
Subject: Re: Grinding front brakes
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:35:52 -0400

Chuck, did you have the rotors re-surfaced?

Steve Offiler
soffiler centraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Charles Biggs
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 12:20 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] Grinding front brakes
>
>
> I changed the front brake pads in my 1990 F150 and since then I hear a
> grinding sound when braking. I have checked the pads, rotors and
> retainer pins and everything seems in order. Could it just
> be the brand
> of pad that I used? If anyone It only seems to occur at very slow
> stopping speeds. If anyone has had this problem I would
> appreciate your
> suggestions. TIA
>
> Chuck
> Pasadena, TX
>
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Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:53:31 -0400
From: flagship worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Mystery transmission part

Rex,

I believe that part is a shipping plug. It is pushed in the
transmission as part of the original prep and removed on the first trans
service. I've never seen one so tha picture didn't help but if it's the
size of the dipstick tube I think that's a good guess.



bennettr hiwaay.net wrote:
>
> In the process of changing my transmission fluid and filter on my 95 f150
> with a 4R70W transmission, I dropped the transmission pan found a loose part
> in the pan. What is it and where does it go? The transmission seams to be
> OK and I can't see where this part might have came from. The link is to a
> picture of the part.
>
> Thanks
> Rex
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=21883&a=6673443
>
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From: "Oscar Johnson" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Mystery transmission part
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:43:34 -0500

Rex,

I had a Ford Pinto once that was giving me a problem with the
transmission. After taking off the pan, I found something that looked
exactly like your part. A mechanic told me that it was a plug installed at
the factory either during assembly or transmission manufacture that fits
into the bottom of the filler tube. When the transmission is filled the
first time, the plug is pushed out and then lives in the pan until it is
removed the first time. Your part looks a lot like that plug, but you should
probably ask someone who knows for sure.

Regards,
O.T. Johnson

-----Original Message-----
From: bennettr hiwaay.net hiwaay.net>
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:40 AM
Subject: [80-96-list] Mystery transmission part


>In the process of changing my transmission fluid and filter on my 95 f150
>with a 4R70W transmission, I dropped the transmission pan found a loose
part
>in the pan. What is it and where does it go? The transmission seams to be
>OK and I can't see where this part might have came from. The link is to a
>picture of the part.
>
>Thanks
>Rex
>
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=21883&a=6673443
>
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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:20:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Mystery transmission part

In a message dated 6/6/00 11:39:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bennettr hiwaay.net writes:

<< In the process of changing my transmission fluid and filter on my 95 f150
with a 4R70W transmission, I dropped the transmission pan found a loose part
in the pan. What is it and where does it go? The transmission seams to be
OK and I can't see where this part might have came from. The link is to a
picture of the part.

Thanks
Rex >>

Rex,
That is the knock out plug that the factory guys push out and it just drops
in the pan. That just shows you that no one has been into the trans.
Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA

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From: "Moe Gendron" ev1.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:27:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Antifreeze

>Right, Wayne. I learned some time ago that the new "reduced
toxicity"
antifreezes are just that - reduced, but STILL quite poisonous to
animals.
Your experience points this out...so why the heck they bothered to
create
it, I don't know!

I do, Money, from people who can't think for themselves, suckers
who want to claim they "care more than the next guy". The same
thing with R-12. Money, "If" R-12 destroys the "ozone" they've
found that R-134A is just as bad.

>IMO, the advertising on this stuff has been deceptive and
dangerous. I
think it has encouraged people to be less careful about using and
disposing
of it.

You are right on the money. You don't see any lawyers jumpin on
this one. "Deceptive and dangerous" is right, if you're paying the
correct people (media), you can tell all sorts of lies. They do it every
day, all day, and alot on the 6:00 news.
Figures don't lie, liars figure.

See Ya'll,
Moe
Houston
"Yes, the NRA cares about kids, but only white republican kids."
Rosie O'Donut

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From: PSales264aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:01:46 EDT
Subject: Re: 1990 F250 problem, HELP!!

Check the hanger bearing. The place where the drive shaft is supported
between the trans and the axle. the bearing in side the hanger is not grease
able and may have dried out. PHIL

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From: "Greg and Tanya" telusplanet.net>
Subject: blower quits
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:26:57 -0600

In the city it operates normally. When on the highway, above 60MPH, the
blower quits. I hear the fan still working, but nothing is coming out of
the vents. This goes for air conditioning and vent settings. My guess is
the fan is shot as during cold operations(in the morning) the fan howls at
low settings. Is my guess right or is there some other "sensor" that would
cause this?

thanks in advance,

Greg
Calgary, Alberta...Canada
1989 F150 302 EFI Auto


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From: "Greg and Tanya" telusplanet.net>
Subject: speedometer out
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:29:14 -0600

Another quick question. My speedo is out about 8-10 kph. Have the right
size tires and rims. Is there an adjustment I can make?

Greg
Calgary, Alberta...Canada
1989 F150 302 EFI Auto


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From: "Joel Thomas" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Air conditioning
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:10:39 -0500


The fan clutch has never been replaced.I have never heard any roar or anything noticeable.there isnt a load of bugs. the lower part of the fan shroud I had to cut off because of my body lift.
but it has never heated up like this before. I am going to replace the radiator cap. and the recovery tank is in good condition and after this happened i put it to half full because it has always been dry. so that probably means it is the fan clutch right??

thanks,
Joel Thomas

----- Original Message -----
From: Stuart Falkner ala.net>
To: prodigy.net>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 5:53 PM
Subject: cool air


> Hello, If your fan clutch has never been replaced it probably is over due.
> When it got that hot the clutch should have kicked in with a noticeable
> increase in fan roar. Examine the clutch for signs of oil leakage. If the
> oil gets out it is dead. If you have a load of bugs in the fins clean them
> out even if you have to remove the radiator to do it. The fan shroud must be
> in place. Drain the coolant down and look inside the rad. with a flashlight
> for signs of foreign material wedged in the ends of the tubes. Make sure the
> radiator cap and coolant recovery tank are in good condition. Hope this
> helps--------Stuart Falkner-----87 F150, 53 F100
>



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From: FULSZBRONCaol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:17:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Brake Question

dharmierpdq.net writes:

<< The brakes on the beast are "two pump" brakes. Oh they'll stop okay on one
hit, but a second hit gets a WAY better pedal. Seems to me my rears need
adjusted.... sound right?
Dave H. >>

Dave,
Sounds like you've got it! Adjust those rear brakes! If the brake linings
are still good, then your self-adjusters must not be working. Next brake
service, be sure to get a hardware kit and replace the springs and self
adjusters.
Alex

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Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 20:28:54 -0400
From: flagship worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Brake Question

I've always found a system requiring two pumps means it has air in it.
Have you bled the system?



FULSZBRONCaol.com wrote:
>
> dharmierpdq.net writes:
>
> << The brakes on the beast are "two pump" brakes. Oh they'll stop okay on one
> hit, but a second hit gets a WAY better pedal. Seems to me my rears need
> adjusted.... sound right?
> Dave H. >>
>
> Dave,
> Sounds like you've got it! Adjust those rear brakes! If the brake linings
> are still good, then your self-adjusters must not be working. Next brake
> service, be sure to get a hardware kit and replace the springs and self
> adjusters.
> Alex
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From: "big red" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1990 F250 xlt speaker sizes
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:27:57 PDT

Either 5 1/4 or 6 1/2 will fit in the door. I used 5 1/4 when i replaced
mine and they fit nicely. No cutting of the door panel. Of course I used
them because they are a slight bit cheaper and I didn't have the little
extra to cover the bigger one's. Anywho either will work.
________________________________________________________________________


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From: FULSZBRONCaol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:30:51 EDT
Subject: Re: blower quits

<< In the city it operates normally. When on the highway, above 60MPH, the
blower quits. I hear the fan still working, but nothing is coming out of
the vents. This goes for air conditioning and vent settings. My guess is
the fan is shot as during cold operations(in the morning) the fan howls at
low settings. Is my guess right or is there some other "sensor" that would
cause this? >>

It's not likely the fan (in my opinion), but a blend door or actuator motor
not working properly. If you have the air coming out of the defroster ducts
when this happens, then it's a vacuum problem. Time to climb under the dash
and have a look around. (no fun!)

------------------------------

From: FULSZBRONCaol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:37:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Brake Question

In a message dated 06/06/2000 06:28:22 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
Flagshipworldnet.att.net writes:

<< I've always found a system requiring two pumps means it has air in it.
Have you bled the system? >>

Air in the system has a completely different feel... even on the "first stab"
braking is poor... and on the second pump it is only a little better.

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Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 20:34:45 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: adj timing control with duraspark box

Hey all

I just picked up the 3 plug duraspark box off an 81 van. From what I
remember, you need a 10K pot to make the timing adjustable. Only problem
is the 3rd plug has 3 wires, black (with white stripe), yellow and
brown. Anyone know which one does not get used?

OX

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From: "Phil & Debi" stargate.net>
Subject: a/c conversion
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:01:24 -0400

I have a 91 F150 without a/c and was wondering if anyone knows what would be
involved to install a/c. does the dash need changed? the firewall need
modified? will I have to get the wire harness and computer off doner truck?
any help would be appreciated.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
70 F100
91 F150 4x4


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Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:11:37 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Cleaning a pumpkin

A buddy of mine just gave me a pumpkin with
3.55's. It had been rebuilt and run in his 48
truck for a couple of weeks. It has been sitting
in his garage now for about a year. Very dirty
and still a small amount of gear oil in it. My
question is what is the best thing to clean it
with. Should I just pour mineral spirits into it
and rotate the gears a whole bunch of times...
take it to the local self serve car was and spray
it with that grease cleaner? Ideas from them
that knows these things?
Thanks,
Chuck
Chuck Sanborn FCA# 07175
Torrance, CA
1964 Falcon Sprint
FAX 1-310-822-6815


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From: "Rosemary O'Brien" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: a/c conversion
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:29:41 -0000

I would also like to know what is involved in adding aftermarket a/c
to my 92 E 150. I really love this van, but I'm tired of cooking
every summer!
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil & Debi stargate.net>
To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com <80-96-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 2:03 AM
Subject: [80-96-list] a/c conversion


>I have a 91 F150 without a/c and was wondering if anyone knows what
would be
>involved to install a/c. does the dash need changed? the firewall
need
>modified? will I have to get the wire harness and computer off doner
truck?
>any help would be appreciated.
>
>Phil Beattie
>66 F100
>70 F100
>91 F150 4x4
>
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From: FULSZBRONCaol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:07:28 EDT
Subject: Re: adj timing control with duraspark box

luxjothecore.com writes:
<< I just picked up the 3 plug duraspark box off an 81 van. From what I
remember, you need a 10K pot to make the timing adjustable. Only problem
is the 3rd plug has 3 wires, black (with white stripe), yellow and
brown. Anyone know which one does not get used?

OX >>

Wire the 10K pot between the yellow wire and black/white stripe wire. On my
'84 & '85 there is no brown wire.
Alex

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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:50:01 EDT
Subject: New page layout

Gang,
Check out my new page layout at
Wayne's Flareside and
Ford pages

Sign my guest book and tell me what you think. For the AFTE guys, How does
something like this look for a new AFTE website?
Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA

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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:04:12 -0500
From: Steve Randa ch-advertising.com>
Subject: Re: Cleaning a pumpkin

I've seen in the rags where they use brake cleaner.

Steve Randa

chuck sanborn wrote:
>
> A buddy of mine just gave me a pumpkin with
> 3.55's. It had been rebuilt and run in his 48
> truck for a couple of weeks. It has been sitting
> in his garage now for about a year. Very dirty
> and still a small amount of gear oil in it. My
> question is what is the best thing to clean it
> with. Should I just pour mineral spirits into it
> and rotate the gears a whole bunch of times...
> take it to the local self serve car was and spray
> it with that grease cleaner? Ideas from them
> that knows these things?
> Thanks,
> Chuck
> Chuck Sanborn FCA# 07175
> Torrance, CA
> 1964 Falcon Sprint
> FAX 1-310-822-6815
>
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