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80-96-list Digest Mon, 05 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 106

In This Issue:
Re: Turn Signals/Fan
EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START #2
Question on Ball Joints
Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START #2
1990 F250 xlt speaker sizes
can a O2 sensor ?
Antifreeze
Re: Antifreeze
Re: can a O2 sensor ?
Re: can a O2 sensor ?
Air Conditioning problem
Re: injectors - 2051's
Re: Air Conditioning problem
Re: injectors - 2051's
Brake Question
Re: Seat Belt Question
Re: Air Conditioning problem
Can a O2 Sensors make the exhaust stink?

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From: "Skerrett, Michael" adstii.com>
Subject: Re: Turn Signals/Fan
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:51:02 -0400



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Skerrett, Michael
> Sent: Monday, 05 June, 2000 08:47
> To: 'Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server'
> Subject: Re: Turn Signals/Fan
>
> Wayne in VA asked:
>
> > working...Any ideas?>
>
> Sorry for the slow response. Been dodging fires here in Central FL. Check
> your ignition switch where the connector meets the mechanical slide that
> is moved by the key tumbler. You will probably have to remove all the
> plastic around the steering column to get to the connector. Ford had a
> fire hazard recall on these a few years ago. Had my trucks and my Topaz
> all changed and have had to replace 3 switches since (There seems to be a
> whole lot of flaky switches out there). The ones I have replaced since
> have come apart at the mechanical connection (4 aluminum tabs bent over
> the plastic electrical connector) and the spring tension in the switch
> causes the unit to move apart just enough to cause half of the pins to
> open. To try to avoid this again I carefully placed 2 plastic tie wraps
> around the housing ensuring that they did not interfere with the
> mechanical movement of the switch slider. Its been 2 years on one and
> about 1 on the other with no further repeats. The third one may go at any
> moment, or I could have accidentally received a good switch (Ha!).
> Disconnect your battery before messing around in there. A lot of current
> flows through that switch. And oh yeah, as usual you will need a new tool
> to remove the switch unit from the column. They usually are connected
> with "tamper resistant" star insert screws. If you don't have them you
> can probably get a set at your local auto parts house.
>
> Let us know if this helps.
>
> Michael R, in Oviedo, FL
>

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From: "Larry" ilhawaii.net>
Subject: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START #2
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 06:23:28 -1000

< can
cause your problem. Another culprit could be a weak fuel pump, but we'll
save that thread for another day.>>

Doc Travis, Thanks for the come back. I can hear the fuel pumps working,
front and rear, whichever selected. I have tried cycling the fuel pumps 3
times before engaging the starter and it makes no difference. I have run her
up to 80 mph with no problem so don't think fuel delivery would be the
problem, at least not at road speed.

I don't have a manual but wonder if there might be another filter somewhere
? Larry



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From: soffilercentraltools.com
Subject: Question on Ball Joints
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:45:31 -0400

Hi, folks:

Quick intro: I'm brand new to the 80-96 list, but I have been monitoring
the 97up list for a couple of years now. My truck is a '97 F-250HD 4x4, old
style, and I think it probably fits best here on the 80-96 list. Also, I
understand mailing list ettiquette, having been a participant on the Antique
Tractor Internet Service (ATIS) list for over five years now.

My question: anyone ever have trouble with early ball joint failure? I've
got the Dana 50-IFS front axle, and my right upper ball joint is on its way.
There is perceptible looseness, flagged but not failed at my last state
safety inspection in May '00. It has progressed now to the point of making
a horrible screech noise whenever the wheels are turned.

The truck has 40,000 miles and is just barely outside warranty. I am trying
to work with the Ford North American Customer Response Center on this issue
as well. I had a very pleasant chat with them this morning, but I don't have
a lot of hope they'll cover this outside of warranty.

Thanks and best regards,
Steve Offiler
'97 F-250HD 4x4 XL w/ 351, E4OD, 4.10 axles
soffilercentraltools.com


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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:16:27 -0400
From: flagship worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START #2

Larry, I had a similar problem on my 94 f150 5.0. I pulled the codes
and based on that changed the part on top of the EGR (I forget the
nomenclature) and the TPS. The codes went away but the problem did not.
Mine also has excessive cranking time. I gave in and turneds it in to
the dealer who replaced the same parts I did and also the EGR valve. It
then started up perfectly when completely cold. It still has excessive
crank time when it's warm but has been sitting longer then 15 or 20
mins. I took it back to the dealer who kept it overnight but insisted
he could not duplicate. I took it back, left it on the lot, went to
lunch and came back and duplicated it for them just so he could see I'm
not completely nuts. Of course he wanted to keep it overnight but I
can't be without my truck that much. I just wanted the writer to tell
the mech that there was an obvious problem. I also have changed the
filter again and it made no difference. For the cold start I would pull
codes and replace those items. Good luck..



Larry wrote:
>
> < > can
> cause your problem. Another culprit could be a weak fuel pump, but we'll
> save that thread for another day.>>
>
> Doc Travis, Thanks for the come back. I can hear the fuel pumps working,
> front and rear, whichever selected. I have tried cycling the fuel pumps 3
> times before engaging the starter and it makes no difference. I have run her
> up to 80 mph with no problem so don't think fuel delivery would be the
> problem, at least not at road speed.
>
> I don't have a manual but wonder if there might be another filter somewhere
> ? Larry
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:40:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "tstapleswpi.edu" WPI.EDU>
Subject: 1990 F250 xlt speaker sizes

hello,

could anyone tell me what size the speakers are in this vehicle..

i think they're 6 1/2 but i'm not sure..

thanks
-Todd

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( email: tstapleswpi.edu )
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( work tele: 978-929-3007 )
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 15:10:04 -0400
From: "Ron Eaker" NPCo.Com>
Subject: can a O2 sensor ?

I have a 92 F-150 5.8 Can an O2 snesor cause sute(black smoke) to come out of the exhaust? I thought the converters were bad because of the bad stink, the man at the muffler shop said a bad O2 sensor could cause the stink and sute. Is there any thing else that could cause it or could it be a combination of both?

Thanks for any input
Ron Eaker
Rome,Ga


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From: "Al Powell" home.com>
Subject: Antifreeze
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:33:20 -0600

The Hon. Wayne Foy said:

>This stuff says its nontoxic to animals...BULLS**T.

Right, Wayne. I learned some time ago that the new "reduced toxicity"
antifreezes are just that - reduced, but STILL quite poisonous to animals.
Your experience points this out...so why the heck they bothered to create
it, I don't know!

IMO, the advertising on this stuff has been deceptive and dangerous. I
think it has encouraged people to be less careful about using and disposing
of it. I don't use the so-called "enviro" antifreeze - I use the stuff
which I know works in my vehicle and try to be careful about how I dispose
of it.

Actually, other than pouring antifreeze down the drain, I have never found a
way to dispose of it. Not a single place in the last two towns I've lived
in (both 100,000 plus in population) will accept used antifreeze.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Al Powell
Fort Collins, CO
'58 Fiat 1200 Spyder "Transformabile"
'83 Datsun 280ZXT
'90 Audi 200
'93 F-150 4X4
New email address: powellaehome.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 12:44:33 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Antifreeze

At 01:33 PM 6/5/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Not a single place in the last two towns I've lived
>in (both 100,000 plus in population) will accept used antifreeze.

Art,
Look on the "net" for the Household Hazardous Waste Roundups.
The enviro crowd my have one or two of those a year for your area.
Chuck



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From: soffilercentraltools.com
Subject: Re: can a O2 sensor ?
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:04:47 -0400

Yes, a bad O2 sensor can cause soot. Other things, such as bad ignition
components, can also cause misfire leading to rich running and soot. Back
to the O2 sensor: they are easy for a qualified tech to diagnose. He will
hook up a scan tool or a specialized digital voltmeter and read the signal;
they fail in familiar ways, and he'll know immediately if yours is bad.

Steve Offiler
soffilercentraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 80-96-list-bounceford-trucks.com
> [mailto:80-96-list-bounceford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Eaker
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 3:10 PM
> To: 80-96-listford-trucks.com
> Subject: [80-96-list] can a O2 sensor ?
>
>
> I have a 92 F-150 5.8 Can an O2 snesor cause sute(black
> smoke) to come out of the exhaust? I thought the converters
> were bad because of the bad stink, the man at the muffler
> shop said a bad O2 sensor could cause the stink and sute. Is
> there any thing else that could cause it or could it be a
> combination of both?
>
> Thanks for any input
> Ron Eaker
> Rome,Ga
>
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> the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the
> message.
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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:39:06 EDT
Subject: Re: can a O2 sensor ?

Ron,
Yep, if the O2 sensor is bad, it will cause the ECM to make it run rich as it
is getting no reading or varied readings from it. They are like $50 for the
low line ones and up to $70 for the top of the line Bosch. Take your pick,
but if you love your truck, get the Bosch.
Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA

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From: "Joel Thomas" prodigy.net>
Subject: Air Conditioning problem
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:38:45 -0500


recently driving around town I have switched on my air condtioning and the trucks
temperature slowly rises to the H were it normally sits on the middle of normal(1984 F-150,351W,T-18)the truck was originally shod with airconditiong so it has the super cool fan and clutch and it did not do this last year, it has a 180 thermostat, on the highway it will heat up a little but still be okay because the airflow?? any ideas? here in arkansas we are only around 90degrees and i want to be able to run air at 105 degrees but i know that will be hard in stop and go traffic
not looking for miracles just advice??


Thanks,
Joel Thomas
Little Rock,AR


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From: Fred Moreno dualcurve.com>
Subject: Re: injectors - 2051's
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:52:08 -0600

Our Australian counterpart wrote:

Does anybody happen to know the U.S. street price on a set of 8
Rochester 2051 Fuel injectors. I have been lead to believe they are
a
product of MSD (a licence job?) but the usual source down here
doesn't
import them. Have had an offer from another source, but I think I'm
being 'screwed' - Badly !!

An F150, about to receive a 502 cid transplant - don't ask what the
donor engine is !!, and fuelled on propane. How many M&M (OHG) 450x
mixers will I need. Can I get by on one or will 2 be a better
proposition and performance is important.......

His nephew replies,

Les, how did you manage to get that part number? I was told it is not
available even though the part number is in our database. It is described as
an 85 lbs/hour, 2 ohm injector, but I am not sure if this is a Rochester
brand - I want to say AC Delco but not 100% sure on that...and you want 8 of
them!?!?
Let me guess, you are going to flow propane through them? If you plan to
flow vaporized propane, you will lose the cooling properties of the liquid,
thus leading to an 'accelerated' degredation of the injector, premature
failure, towing required, not an option, proceed with caution.
Email me the price quote, I'm curious.

Okay, on the subject of the F-150 about to recieve the transplant, I'll
ask...where did you get the 502 cid engine? Uh, I do have a question; is the
front suspension going to be assisted?
One 450X should do the trick, you can confirm that by seeing how low your
vacuum gauge reads at W.O.T. - I know you will hate to do that test, just
make sure you test it several times to confirm all of your readings. Your
goal is too be able to get to 2 inches of manifold vacuum or less at W.O.T.
If you can't get that low, then you have too much restriction and a second
X450 might be needed, assuming the air filter, hose diameter,etc, is not
causing a restriction.
What are you up to now Uncle Les, do we need to alert the authorities (or
the media)?

Phred, KD5AQB
1995 F-150 4X4 Eduardo Bauer, gasoline or propane fed 5.0L next to a
5-speed.



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From: FULSZBRONCaol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:09:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Air Conditioning problem

Over time, radiators lose their cooling efficiency due to the build up of
scale inside them. Flushing the cooling system and having the radiator
boiled out by a radiator shop usually cure heating complaints. A good
maintenance plan would include replacing the hoses and thermostat at the same
time. Nothing beats maintenance to keep our Fords running, especially with
the onset of the hot summer months!!
Alex

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:24:56 -0500
From: a&b uab.campuscw.net>
Subject: Re: injectors - 2051's

Fred you are a hoot!! (That's a compliment)

Fred Moreno wrote:

> Our Australian counterpart wrote:
>
> Does anybody happen to know the U.S. street price on a set of 8
> Rochester 2051 Fuel injectors. I have been lead to believe they are
> a
> product of MSD (a licence job?) but the usual source down here
> doesn't
> import them. Have had an offer from another source, but I think I'm
> being 'screwed' - Badly !!
>
> An F150, about to receive a 502 cid transplant - don't ask what the
> donor engine is !!, and fuelled on propane. How many M&M (OHG) 450x
> mixers will I need. Can I get by on one or will 2 be a better
> proposition and performance is important.......
>
> His nephew replies,
>
> Les, how did you manage to get that part number? I was told it is not
> available even though the part number is in our database. It is described as
> an 85 lbs/hour, 2 ohm injector, but I am not sure if this is a Rochester
> brand - I want to say AC Delco but not 100% sure on that...and you want 8 of
> them!?!?
> Let me guess, you are going to flow propane through them? If you plan to
> flow vaporized propane, you will lose the cooling properties of the liquid,
> thus leading to an 'accelerated' degredation of the injector, premature
> failure, towing required, not an option, proceed with caution.
> Email me the price quote, I'm curious.
>
> Okay, on the subject of the F-150 about to recieve the transplant, I'll
> ask...where did you get the 502 cid engine? Uh, I do have a question; is the
> front suspension going to be assisted?
> One 450X should do the trick, you can confirm that by seeing how low your
> vacuum gauge reads at W.O.T. - I know you will hate to do that test, just
> make sure you test it several times to confirm all of your readings. Your
> goal is too be able to get to 2 inches of manifold vacuum or less at W.O.T.
> If you can't get that low, then you have too much restriction and a second
> X450 might be needed, assuming the air filter, hose diameter,etc, is not
> causing a restriction.
> What are you up to now Uncle Les, do we need to alert the authorities (or
> the media)?
>
> Phred, KD5AQB
> 1995 F-150 4X4 Eduardo Bauer, gasoline or propane fed 5.0L next to a
> 5-speed.
>
>
>
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>
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From: "Dave Harmier" pdq.net>
Subject: Brake Question
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:40:45 -0500

The brakes on the beast are "two pump" brakes. Oh they'll stop okay on one
hit, but a second hit gets a WAY better pedal. Seems to me my rears need
adjusted.... sound right?

Dave H.
Houston
90 F-350 Crew LWB 7.3/E4OD Knapheide Service Body and liftgate (The BEAST)
91 F-150 SC LWB 5.8/E4OD Crossbed toolbox and liftgate (Dads)
92 F-150 SC SWB 5.0/E4OD Crossbed toolbox (Sisters)



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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:24:40 -0500
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: Seat Belt Question

At 20:38 05-06-00 -0500, you wrote:
>Now that my sister drives the '92, she complains of, and shows a red place
>on her neck where the seatbelt rubs. Have any of ya'll ever moved the upper
>pivot point for the belt down a couple inches? And how?
>I'm thinking weld a new nut on (with plenty of protection!!!) or maybe a
>clip nut. I know it'll never look right, but what else is there to do?

No, Dave, don't weld a nut in there. It is not worth the risk that it
pulls free in a severe accident (when you really need it the most).

Check some of your automotive catalogs and other general merchandise
catalogs for a thing that attaches to the seatbelt and moves the shoulder
harness down a few inches, keeping it off of her neck. The catalogs
usually show them used in the car for kids, but the truck is tall enough
inside that I could see the same need for one with a passenger that is not
real tall.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8


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From: soffilercentraltools.com
Subject: Re: Air Conditioning problem
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:11:11 -0400

Just an idea here - any chance that airflow through the grille and/or
radiator and/or AC condenser could be blocked? This would cause mischeif -
the efficiency of both radiator and AC cond. is reduced, they both heat up,
share heat with each other (instead of losing heat to the atmosphere like
they should) and after a while it would start to show up on your temp gage.

Steve Offiler
soffilercentraltools.com
'97 F250HD XL 4x4, 351, E40D, 4.10's

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 80-96-list-bounceford-trucks.com
> [mailto:80-96-list-bounceford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Joel Thomas
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 5:39 PM
> To: Ford truck; Ford Performance
> Subject: [80-96-list] Air Conditioning problem
>
>
>
> recently driving around town I have switched on my air
> condtioning and the trucks
> temperature slowly rises to the H were it normally sits on
> the middle of normal(1984 F-150,351W,T-18)the truck was
> originally shod with airconditiong so it has the super cool
> fan and clutch and it did not do this last year, it has a 180
> thermostat, on the highway it will heat up a little but still
> be okay because the airflow?? any ideas? here in arkansas we
> are only around 90degrees and i want to be able to run air at
> 105 degrees but i know that will be hard in stop and go traffic
> not looking for miracles just advice??
>
>
> Thanks,
> Joel Thomas
> Little Rock,AR
>
> ==========================================================
> To unsubscribe, send email to: listarford-trucks.com with
> the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list" in the subject of the
> message.
>


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Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 08:14:58 -0400
From: "Ron Eaker" NPCo.Com>
Subject: Can a O2 Sensors make the exhaust stink?

I thought I had a bad converter because of the bad smell, the man at the muffler shop said because of the back sute(black smoke) he thought my O2 sensor may be bad, can an O2 sensor make the black smoke(running rich or lean) and the stink to?
Thanks

Ron Eaker
Rome,Ga


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