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80-96-list Digest Sat, 03 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 104

In This Issue:
Full Time
where's all the posts?
EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START
Re: where's all the posts?
changing fuel tank
Re: where's all the posts?
Re: Popping Sound-another one
Re: changing fuel tank
ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: changing fuel tank
Re: Stone Shields
Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START
Re: Popping Sound-another one In my truck (not my ford..
injectors - 2051's
Anti-freeze question
Re: Anti-freeze question
Re: Stone Shields

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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 23:34:17 -0700
From: Marv & Marge lafn.org>
Subject: Full Time

The Listfather wrote:
> Just took FTE full time as of 2 days ago

My wish for you: That which you do so well and love so much should be a
source of great joy and prosperity for you and yours. You've got a couple
of thousand guys behind you, all pushing for your success. If there's
anything we all can do, just ask! (There's POWER in numbers, just ask the
Deekster!)

Best wishes in the new endeavor!

-Marv-

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From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 03:11:13 EDT
Subject: where's all the posts?

Hey guys, is it me or has the mailing list gone down significantly!? I sure
don't get as many e-mails as I used to!
What happened!?

C.Greene

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From: "Larry" ilhawaii.net>
Subject: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:18:16 -1000

Hi, new kid on the block here

My 89 F-150, 302 cu.in. EFI, A/T, P/S, LWB with 28,000 miles on her has
started to crank "excessively" on a cold start. Better on a warm start. It
used to snap to attention as soon as you turned the key.

This what I've done to date with no luck.

Replaced fuel filter
New set of plugs
New distributor cap
New rotor
New ignition leads
Ran a can of B & G 44k injector cleaner through the front tank (19.0 gals.)
Now running a second can of B & G 44k through the rear tank and am about
half way through the 18.2 gals. in that tank.

I've run out of ideas and I'm not well versed on smog controls or the fuel
injection. Any help would be appreciated.

Larry


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From: "Harris, Scott" dfwairport.com>
Subject: Re: where's all the posts?
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 02:51:30 -0500

I concur....it does seem that recently I have been noticing a lot less
emails from the group. Maybe everyone's trucks are running better!

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Hey guys, is it me or has the mailing list gone down significantly!? I sure

don't get as many e-mails as I used to!
What happened!?

C.Greene
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From: Srjones219 aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 06:02:27 EDT
Subject: changing fuel tank

I have to change the front fuel tank on my 92 F150 swb 4x2. Does anyone have
any tips to make the job easier? Also are there any suprises that I should
be aware of before I even start to take it out?

Steve Jones "If it's not broke don't fix it!"

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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 08:47:57 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: where's all the posts?

At 03:11 AM 6/3/00 , you wrote:
>Hey guys, is it me or has the mailing list gone down significantly!? I sure
>don't get as many e-mails as I used to!
>What happened!?
>
>C.Greene

Schools across the country are closing for the summer
and everyone's taking vacations. It'll pick back up
in a month or so and keep a good pace until fall, then
slow down until Christmas, then a week or so after
Christmas it slows again until Spring. Its been a
pretty consistent cycle for 4 years.

Ken Payne
FTE List Kahuna



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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 07:21:24 -0700
From: Ken Justice primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Popping Sound-another one

Hello Tom,

It sounds to me like "pinging." My '86 ford did that clicking or pinging
under the same circumstances all the time, especially when the weather
was hotter.

Regards,

Ken Justice
Discover the Working Mat!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.workingmat.com

>Re: Popping Sound-another one

>In my truck (not my ford..Dodge 1/2ton 1985 2wd) When i get >under a little
>acceration such as cruising at 60 or going up a hill at any speed >there seems
>to be almost an electrical clicking sound from around or near the >engine..

>Thanks in advance
>Tom

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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 10:19:24 -0500
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: changing fuel tank

Steve-
I have not done this replacement myself, but several people have suggested
on this list over the years that it is easier to work on the fuel tanks if
you remove the bed first, and then you are not doing everything on your back.

At 06:02 03-06-00 -0400, Steve wrote:
>I have to change the front fuel tank on my 92 F150 swb 4x2. Does anyone have
>any tips to make the job easier? Also are there any suprises that I should
>be aware of before I even start to take it out?

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8


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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 12:16:54 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Web site updates

Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site updates:
http://www.ford-trucks.com

June 3:
Pictorial additions:
1932 Ford truck, 1969 F100, 1970 F250,
1977 F250 Ranger, 1980 F100 Custom, 1984 F150,
1996 Explorer Eddie Bauer 4x4

May 31:
NEW! 1932-1972 Ford Factory Service (Shop)
Manuals on CD-ROM! Ford Truck Enthusiasts is
pleased to offer these Ford Motor Company
licensed products.

May 29:
Pictorial additions: 1969 F100, 1977 F250 4x4
Highboy

May 28:
Part one in a series of articles detailing the
22nd Annual F100 Supernationals.

New Web store products:
-Several new engine/performance books added.
-Stainless steel polished and unpolished
engine, transmission and body fastener kits

Later,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 13:02:35 -0400
From: S Spaulding worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: changing fuel tank

The front tank is an easy job from below. It isn't worth pulling the
bed.

Steve S.

Jim Cannon wrote:
>
> Steve-
> I have not done this replacement myself, but several people have suggested
> on this list over the years that it is easier to work on the fuel tanks if
> you remove the bed first, and then you are not doing everything on your back.
>
> At 06:02 03-06-00 -0400, Steve wrote:
> >I have to change the front fuel tank on my 92 F150 swb 4x2. Does anyone have
> >any tips to make the job easier? Also are there any suprises that I should
> >be aware of before I even start to take it out?
>
> Jim Cannon
> Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
> '29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
> '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
>
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From: Awfanning aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:03:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Stone Shields

John Bowman wrote:

<< I have an '83 F100 and the stone shield that protects the front brakes on
the left front wheel is rattling. The question is do I need it and if so,
how do I replace it? Is the part expensive?>>

This topic was discussed on the Taurus SHO list (SHOtimes.com) that I also
belong to. The consensus was that stone shields are not required, since some
vehicles come without them from the factory.

When replacing the front spindles on my SHO (as part of a brake upgrade) I
drilled out the rivets holding the stone shields in place on the new spindles
and removed them to facilitate cleaning up both parts. I then tapped the
mounting holes in the spindles to allow bolting the stone shields back in
place. If your stone shields are in decent condition, I would think this
approach might work for you (although I can't say I'm familiar with your
particular hardware).

Alan
'82 F-150

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From: "Travis Moore" arkansas.net>
Subject: Re: EXCESSIVE CRANKING ON A COLD START
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:00:08 -0500

Larry,

Try checking the fuel pump relay. One with sticky or corroded contacts can
cause your problem. Another culprit could be a weak fuel pump, but we'll
save that thread for another day.

Doc




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From: Scrangler83aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:18:09 EDT
Subject: Re: Popping Sound-another one In my truck (not my ford..

yeh especially when it is warm out.. so what should i do?

Tom

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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 06:56:25 +1000
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: injectors - 2051's

Hi All,

Does anybody happen to know the U.S. street price on a set of 8
Rochester 2051 Fuel injectors. I have been lead to believe they are a
product of MSD (a licence job?) but the usual source down here doesn't
import them. Have had an offer from another source, but I think I'm
being 'screwed' - Badly !!

An F150, about to receive a 502 cid transplant - don't ask what the
donor engine is !!, and fuelled on propane. How many M&M (OHG) 450x
mixers will I need. Can I get by on one or will 2 be a better
proposition and performance is important.......

... but still having fun in a Ford designed in Detroit and build with a
lot of parts from the Ford OZ parts bins ....

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 19:18:12 -0400
From: "Theodore D. Mills" martnet.com>
Subject: Anti-freeze question

Here's a good one maybe for the "professional wrenches" among us.

I sent the wife out for a couple of gallons of anti-freeze the other day,
so I could top off the overflow tanks on the "fleet". I told her to just
get what ever was on sale.....

She came back with 2 gallons of "Sierra" propolyene glycol anti-freeze.

Gave me the spiel about being less toxic to animals, etc. With 2 dogs
running around the yard, I can see the point.

My question is, is this stuff compatible with "standard" ethelyne glycol
anti-freeze?

If it is, I will switch over when each vehicle comes due for coolant service.

Right now I just needed to top things off.....


Ted

N3KWQ
Aston, Pa

84 Mustang GT (in pieces)
85 Ranger XL 2WD 2.8L
91 F-250 XLT Lariat SC 4X4x460
94 Taurus LX wagon 3.8L

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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 16:36:01 -0700
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: Anti-freeze question

At 07:18 PM 6/3/00 -0400, you wrote:
>My question is, is this stuff compatible with "standard" ethelyne glycol
>anti-freeze?

If I recall correctly (and sometimes that's iffy my wife says), no, the Sierra
is not compatible. I have also heard that while Sierra is friendly to the
environment, it is not so kind to the innards of the motor/radiator. Can't
recall the source of it but it did make me drain my rad of that stuff and go
back to Prestone.

Chuck Sanborn
Torrance, CA
86 F150 300 cu in six banger
FAX 1-310-822-6815


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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 17:48:37 +1000
From: les williams cyber.net.au>
Subject: Re: Stone Shields

Hi All,

That was the point I was alluding to, unless there is another purpose for their
use on the 4X4's, and I suspect there isn't, on a 2X4 it's as effective as any
other vehicle's stone shields. Zip !
Has anyone really seen it effectivly repell an invasion by stones ? And if the
stones are big enough to be causing damage to the shield, may I suggest that your
problems may be a lot worst else where under the truck.
My experiences over the last couple of years with respect to my F100 has been
quite the opposite. My F100 has the stone shields heavily attacked with a 1/2
drill and been swiss cheesed to buggery, an Ambo modification, in the interests
of rotor cooling, and I have managed to catch small stones between the remains of
the shield and rotor, resulting in terrible noises. If it happens again the
shields will go, permanently ! So what do the shields do? When you run over
someone they don't burn their fingers or other body parts on the hot rotor ? Hmmm
.....

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ



Awfanningaol.com wrote:

> John Bowman wrote:
>
> << I have an '83 F100 and the stone shield that protects the front brakes on
> the left front wheel is rattling. The question is do I need it and if so,
> how do I replace it? Is the part expensive?>>
>
> This topic was discussed on the Taurus SHO list (SHOtimes.com) that I also
> belong to. The consensus was that stone shields are not required, since some
> vehicles come without them from the factory.
>
>
> Alan
> '82 F-150


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