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80-96-list Digest Mon, 07 Feb 2000 Volume: 01 Issue: 2003

In This Issue:
Test
Engine Swap
Re: Engine Swap
85 F series climate control
Re: TFI-IV and advance
Re: TFI-IV and advance
Re: TFI-IV and advance
Re: 85 F series climate control
Re: 85 F series climate control
Re: 85 F series climate control
Electric fans
Ken Payne is "The Man"
Re: 85 F series climate control
Re: Electric fans
Re: Electric fans
Need help '89 F250/F350 cab swap
Well, I give up.....:_(
Re: Well, I give up.....:_(
Re: Ken Payne is "The Man"
Re: Well, I give up.....:_(
Re: Well, I give up.....:_(
Re: Well, I give up.....:_(
Re: Well, I give up.....:_(
Vin Decoding
Compression test results, bad valve seals?
Re: Power Lumbar
Re: Vin Decoding
Re: Vin Decoding
Re: Well, I give up.....:_(
Re: Power Lumbar
Re: Vin Decoding
ADMIN: Quoting limits
Re: oil in air filter
Re: TFI-IV and advance
Re: TFI-IV and advance
Re: ADMIN: Posting notes
Re: FTE 80-96 - electrical fires: ignition switch recall
Re: Compression test results, bad valve seals?
Cold Speedometer Woes
Re: thank the gods...
E4OD Towing (long)
Re: Ken Payne is "The Man"
1989 club wagon defective ABS
Re: 1989 club wagon defective ABS
Re: 80-96-list Digest V1 #2000

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From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 03:08:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Test



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From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 03:20:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Engine Swap

Own 1987F150/5.0EFI/ C6. Want to swap to a 1989351/TBI/AOD from police
cruiser. This drive train was aparently not
offered to civilian crown vics. All the manuals only show 5.0. I can
purchase this drivetrain for 350.00. I need to get my trk going. Some
salvage yards say it
wont swap. The intake manifold from the
5.0 wont interchange. The 351drive train is complete with computer.
Does anyone
know if it will work in m F150 as is with the TBI. I do not have a
manual to give me anything to reference it. I don't know
if the motor mounts will match or the exhause will hook up to the 351
manifolds. Does anyone know if it will work for sure or what
modifications would
I have to do to accomplish the above. thanks again.



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From: slikness mindspring.com
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:07:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Engine Swap

Your motor mounts will be the same and it will bolt to your C6 fine. I'm not sure on the exhaust. The 351 has a deck that is 1 1/2" higher than the 5.0 so you may need some exhaust work. That higher deck also means that you will need an adapter (common swap bracket from Ford) to swap your 5.0 accessories to your new 351. I don't know about the TBI, but I would think if you got all the computer stuff with it, it should be fine. Your intake definately will not swap. The 351 is wider than the 5.0. You may have to swap the oil pan from a front sump to a rear sump.

Slik

> Own 1987F150/5.0EFI/ C6. Want to swap to a 1989351/TBI/AOD from policecruiser. This drive train was aparently not
offered to civilian crown vics. All the manuals only show 5.0. I can
purchase this drivetrain for 350.00. I need to get my trk going. Some
salvage yards say it
wont swap. The intake manifold from the
5.0 wont interchange. The 351drive train is complete with computer.
Does anyone
know if it will work in m F150 as is with the TBI. I do not have a
manual to give me anything to reference it. I don't know
if the motor mounts will match or the exhause will hook up to the 351
manifolds. Does anyone know if it will work for sure or what
modifications would
I have to do to accomplish the above. thanks again.




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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:22:03 -0700
From: Andrew Antipas sopris.net>
Subject: 85 F series climate control

I have an '85 F350 with air conditioning. Where ever the climate control
lever is placed I get air out of the AC vents, except in the OFF
position. Then there is no flow. I cannot direct air to defrost or to
the foot wells. I don't know if the AC is working at this point as well.
I don't here the compressor kicking on, but it is winter time? I have
not taken apart anything yet. Anybody out there have any suggestions?
How much time and how difficult is it to disassemble the dash and
climate control system. Thanks!


------------------------------

From: "DannyF" ev1.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:43:18 -0600
Subject: Re: TFI-IV and advance

> You'll find the SPOUT (not a clue what that stands for) connector on one
> of
> the wires coming out of the TFI module. It will either be an inline
> type
> (like on my 84, or a connector with a removable jumper that slides out
> (my
> 94). In both cases, remember it's a single wire connector. When you
> disconnect it or remove the jumper the computer no longer can control
> the
> distrubutor advance.
>
> Hope that helps...............

It will. Look for a plastic connector around the distrib. Like he said,
it will probably be the single wire type and all you have to do is
disconnect it when adjusting timing.

"SPOUT" merely stands for "spark output".

The DuraSpark IV base timing can and should be checked
occasionally.
Danny
fitz011 ev1.net

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: TFI-IV and advance
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:10:00 -0500

The only thing remotely resembling this on my tempo had two wires but I
pulled it anyway. It seemed to do the job......so much for manuals.....:-(
Never did find the temp control module for the electric fan on that
car.....:-(

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>> 94). In both cases, remember it's a single wire connector. When you

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:18:26 -0800
From: Chuck Sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: TFI-IV and advance

Hi Danny,
Thanks for the addtional information. I will look for that tonight
when I get home. And also thanks for the definition of SPOUT.
You should have heard what I was coming up with....
Chuck

At 08:43 AM 2/7/00 -0600, you wrote:

>It will. Look for a plastic connector around the distrib. Like he said,
>it will probably be the single wire type and all you have to do is
>disconnect it when adjusting timing.
>
>"SPOUT" merely stands for "spark output".
>
>The DuraSpark IV base timing can and should be checked
>occasionally.
>Danny
>fitz011 ev1.net
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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: 85 F series climate control
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:21:17 -0500

Sounds like a vacuum problem to me. I took the module out of a 92 bird and
it was not a pretty sight :-( Wound up taking part of the console out to
get at some screws in the bottom of the panel and then another part to get
at some more hidden screws etc..

Take a couple of patience pills before you start, allow lots of time to take
lots of stuff apart, some of which didn't even need to come apart (that's
the one you usually break something on). I would check all the vacuum lines
going under the dash first and make sure they are all connected both there
and under the hood.

There are some AC related switches that can do some things to the system too
like the low coolant or pressure or whatever but I'm no expert on that
stuff.

If this bounces, I think I have a clue now to what's happening but let's
wait and see what happens :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>I have an '85 F350 with air conditioning. Where ever the
-snip-
>position. Then there is no flow. I cannot direct air to defrost or to
>the foot wells. I don't know if the AC is working at this

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From: "Chapman, David P" unisys.com>
Subject: Re: 85 F series climate control
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:25:15 -0500

I had a similar problem on an '81 Bronco. It happened under heavy
acceleration. But I sold it before I found the problem. My guess would be
a vacuum problem as I think vacuum controls the setting of the air
deflectors.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Antipas [mailto:aantipas sopris.net]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 9:22 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] 85 F series climate control


I have an '85 F350 with air conditioning. Where ever the climate control
lever is placed I get air out of the AC vents, except in the OFF
position. Then there is no flow. I cannot direct air to defrost or to
the foot wells. I don't know if the AC is working at this point as well.
I don't here the compressor kicking on, but it is winter time? I have
not taken apart anything yet. Anybody out there have any suggestions?
How much time and how difficult is it to disassemble the dash and
climate control system. Thanks!

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: 85 F series climate control
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:46:01 -0500

I forgot to mention that if it fails when you accellerate then it's the
vacuum storage can that looks like a tomato juice can under the hood, either
the check valve in the fitting is bad or it has a leak somewhere or you have
another vacuum leak which allows it to work under high vacuum conditions but
when you accellerate there isn't enough vacuum left to operate the doors and
the leak at the same time etc......

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Sounds like a vacuum problem to me. I took the module out of

>the one you usually break something on). I would check all
>the vacuum lines
>going under the dash first and make sure they are all

------------------------------

From: slikness mindspring.com
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:09:27 -0500
Subject: Electric fans

A while ago, we were posting a thread concerning the HP loss of electric fans vs. conventional belt-driven fans. I have found a site that contained formula for calculating the HP loss of an altenator. This formula was found at Martel Brothers Performance Racing ( www.martelbrothers.com ) in their how to section under altenator FAQs:

***

How much horsepower loss will an alternator cost?

An alternator is a power converter. It converts mechanical power into electrical power. So it doesn’t lose power, but rather it changes its form. No electrical motor or generator is 100% efficient, and this is true of alternators as well. Alternators are about 85% efficient with power being lost in the form of heat and wind resistance (cooling fans). Thus, the real power loss of an alternator is relatively small.

How much horsepower does the alternator pull?

You can mathematically determine the HP cost at any given load. (Remember, alternators respond to load. If there is no load present,
the alternator is basically freewheeling.)

Amps x Volts = Watts
Watts/ 745.7 (One HP) = Electrical HP produced by the alternator
HP x 15% efficiency loss = HP loss
HP + HP loss = total HP used
Example:
57A x 14.9V =849.3 Watts
849.3 Watts / 745.7 = 1.14 HP
1.14 HP x 15% = 0.171 HP (horsepower lost)
1.14 + 0.17 = 1.31 HP total

Now we know the cost to run the electrical system. The more important question is what is the pay back? Which way does does the horsepower benefit you? How much horsepower are you currently losing because of low electrical system voltage? An alternator does not cost power, it makes power!

***

Using the above calculations, if I run 2 electric fans that draw 14 amps each, then I will lose around .6 HP.

Slik

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From: "Dave Resch" sybase.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:08:36 -0700
Subject: Ken Payne is "The Man"

Yo Ken:

Thanks so much for all your time you put into the server swap. So far, I am
pleased w/ everything about the new list software, particularly the ability to
filter out excessive quotes.

I'm hassling w/ UNIX/NT permissions at work on a regular basis nowadays, and I
know what a royal pain it can be. You have done a great job on this list and I
am simply thrilled to have the digest back again.

Thousands of us silently appreciate the FTE lists, day-in day-out, w/out a
second thought as to the work involved in maintaining such a high caliber
operation as you have, and we all benefit from it.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

FTE Rules!!!

Dave R (M-block devotee)



------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:18:13 -0500
From: Martin Horne optonline.net>
Subject: Re: 85 F series climate control

At 07:22 AM 2/7/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I have an '85 F350 with air conditioning. Where ever the climate control
>lever is placed I get air out of the AC vents, except in the OFF
>position. Then there is no flow. I cannot direct air to defrost or to
>the foot wells. I don't know if the AC is working at this point as well.
>I don't here the compressor kicking on, but it is winter time?

If you put the controls to defrost then the compressor should kick in, even
in the depths of winter. The AC runs to dry the air before the heater heats
it, maximising the demisting efficiency. The compressor running in
wintertime puzzled me for some time until a friend who works on AC systems
explained it.


>I have
>not taken apart anything yet. Anybody out there have any suggestions?
>How much time and how difficult is it to disassemble the dash and
>climate control system. Thanks!
>
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'86 Bronco
Long Island, NY

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Electric fans
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:37:53 -0500

If you only use them to cool the engine then you lose "no" HP because they
only run at idle or when pulling a heavy load on a hot day, the rest of the
time they are off so there is no draw on the system :-) No matter how you
design a clutch fan or folding fan it draws power 100% of the time, just
less when clutched or folded so the electric is more efficient in every way
except.......for actually cooling. For this job there is no substitute for
an engine driven fan which is why all rear wheel drive trucks to this very
day still use them AFAIK :-)

When you see a diesel rig with an electric fan rather than, or in place of,
an engine driven fan, let us know and we will all run down the the Rig store
and get one of those babies :-) I have not found an electric large enough
to fill my shroud yet with the cfm needed to do the job. Most of the larger
ones have less cfm than smaller ones but smaller ones won't operate
correctly with the stock shroud and the shrouds that come with them are
ludicrous to say the least.....:-( Keep in mind that the air has to flow
evenly through the radiator for best results so if you live in AZ or TX or
UT etc. then you better pay close attention to the shoud that it is
effiecent and also coveres the entire radiator or you may have trouble in
hot weather.

Smaller engines are easier to cool too so the larger you go the more
important all this becomes. I know of very few people in hot climates using
electric fans on 460's.....anybody have experience with this?

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

-SNIP-
>Using the above calculations, if I run 2 electric fans that
>draw 14 amps each, then I will lose around .6 HP.
>
>Slik

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:47:56 -0500
From: Martin Horne optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Electric fans

Slik,

A long while back I thought I heard that the mechanical fan on a car motor
could draw as much as 3HP. At the time I drove a Triumph Spitfire and
swapped the fan for an electric, 'cos it needed all the help it could get!

Do you, or anyone else on the list, know whether this 3Hp number might be
anywhare near the truth?

Thanks for your time.



>Using the above calculations, if I run 2 electric fans that draw 14 amps
>each, then I will lose around .6 HP.

Martin Horne
'86 Bronco
Long Island, NY

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 06:13:10 -0800
From: "Joe" angelfire.com>
Subject: Need help '89 F250/F350 cab swap

This is a repost due to forum going down.. (thank god its back up!)
I have a '89 F350 w/7.5l gas (4wd). I have found a mint '88 F250 that had a diesel in it, and I would like to swap complete bodies. My body on my '89 is dented to hell, it is a true work truck. Both trucks are autos and both where built in '88. Are the cab wiring harness the same? I know I have to keep the engine harness for my truck, but will it plug into the diesel cab's wiring? Has anyone swapped cabs from diesel to gas or vice versa? I'm just worried about wiring, thats all. I also have a C6 2wd diesel trans for sale - cheap. It has 54k on it. Also 2wd power steering box, frame, utility body, etc. I'm in NH I wont ship it.
Thanks !!!!



Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.angelfire.com

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Well, I give up.....:_(
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:48:14 -0500

I've tried every trick I can think of and Lis*tar keeps kicking me out so
I'm not replying any more, just going to make new posts and try to keep the
gist of the thread intact somehow :-(

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--


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From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" sol.ee.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Well, I give up.....:_(
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:31:14 -0600

Hey Gary, I thought I'd try a reply too just to see how listar worked.
Smeck
----- Original Message -----
From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) visteon.com>
Subject: [80-96-list] Well, I give up.....:_(


> I've tried every trick I can think of and Lis*tar keeps kicking me out so
> I'm not replying any more, just going to make new posts and try to keep
the
> gist of the thread intact somehow :-(
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> --
>
>



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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 14:25:07 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Ken Payne is "The Man"

Dave Resch wrote:
>
> Yo Ken:


>Ditto!! Thanks...



> Thanks so much for all your time you put into the server swap. So far, I am
> pleased w/ everything about the new list software, particularly the ability to
> filter out excessive quotes.
>
> I'm hassling w/ UNIX/NT permissions at work on a regular basis nowadays, and I
> know what a royal pain it can be. You have done a great job on this list and I
> am simply thrilled to have the digest back again.
>
> Thousands of us silently appreciate the FTE lists, day-in day-out, w/out a
> second thought as to the work involved in maintaining such a high caliber
> operation as you have, and we all benefit from it.
>
> Thank you, thank you, thank you.
>
> FTE Rules!!!
>
> Dave R (M-block devotee)
>

------------------------------

From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Well, I give up.....:_(
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:43:40 -0500

You got away with more than I have so far.....:-) Somehow Lis*tar seems to
know what the original post was even though you don't include it in the
post???

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Hey Gary, I thought I'd try a reply too just to see how listar worked.

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 12:02:04 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Well, I give up.....:_(

Yep




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From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" sol.ee.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Well, I give up.....:_(
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:08:21 -0600

I only cut the bottom off this time....................see what happens 8^>
Smeck
----- Original Message -----
From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) visteon.com>
To: <80-96-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 1:43 PM
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Well, I give up.....:_(


> You got away with more than I have so far.....:-) Somehow Lis*tar seems
to
> know what the original post was even though you don't include it in the
> post???
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> --
>
> >Hey Gary, I thought I'd try a reply too just to see how listar worked.
>



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From: "Steve Schmeckpeper" sol.ee.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Well, I give up.....:_(
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:49:36 -0600

I finally bounced one 8^> I think it's the bottom 'unsubscribe' header you
gotta cut out when you reply.
That's my final answer
Smeck,
Ford Gray Don't Stay (Ford content)

P.S. Listar's gonna clean up our act for us.



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From: Robert Warnicke TSLA.com>
Subject: Vin Decoding
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:37:43 -0700

Hi all. I need help to decode a sample Vin.

1FDEE14H0KHC20000

I know from a mustang decoder that:

1F = Means Ford

D = ? an A here would mean passenger car, a T means Trucks. Are there any
other ever used, and what would they signify?

E = ? This digit is for restraint systems on Mustangs ( A = Active belts B
= Passive belts C = Active belts and Air bag) What does E mean, are there
any other ever used, and what would they signify?.

E = ? P is for car, X appears to be for Truck. Is E a van? I have seen S
as well. Are there any other ever used, and what does each signify?.

14 = I think this means body type, does anyone have a list of all body
types?


The rest I pretty much understand are of no concern to me.

Thanks.

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From: DTrowbridge webtv.net (David Trowbridge)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:49:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Compression test results, bad valve seals?

hey guys. i just got through doing a compression test on my 85 F-150.
here are the results:
#1 160psi
#2 163psi
#3 163psi
#4 163psi
#5 162psi
#6 164psi

the motor now has about 2,000 miles on it. it is not a brand new one,
but a rebuilt one that was purchased from a local motor shop. it seems
to me that the motor itself is in good shape, but i think the valve
seals are bad. the motor runs fine and has a nice amount of power at
low rpm, but anything above 50mph and i don't have hardly any power.
and if i try to speed up to pass someone, or just keep the truck at
65mph while going up hill, it is like i am doing an impersonation of
James Bond's smoke screen! i was fouling plugs out every 2 or 3 weeks,
but since i installed an MSD coil, the plugs have now lasted for 4 weeks
but they look preetty bad. anyone want to put there $.02 in, or do yall
think i am right on this?

David
85 F-150 300 I6


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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:18:32 -0500
From: Rich snet.net>
Subject: Re: Power Lumbar

Gentlemen, I have a question. I have a 96 F150 xl, with a vinyl
bench. I have just purchased a used cloth flight bench seat with the
power lumbar support. Question is, I ran the 12 volts up to the plug
under the seat, but no matter what way I plug the 12 volts into it, it
doesn't "pump" air, it forms a "Vacumn" instead. What could be wrong? I
am at a loss.....for now..
Thanks,
Rich

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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:11:45 EST
Subject: Re: Vin Decoding

www.carfax.com/fox
Go to this website and enter the VIN in question. Its pretty cool.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC

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From: Robert Warnicke TSLA.com>
Subject: Re: Vin Decoding
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:26:44 -0700

Thanks for the tip, but that is not really the information I am looking for.
I want to know what the characters mean, not the history on this Econoline.

-----Original Message-----
From: FLR150 aol.com [mailto:FLR150 aol.com]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 5:12 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: Vin Decoding


www.carfax.com/fox
Go to this website and enter the VIN in question. Its pretty cool.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:38:14 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Well, I give up.....:_(

At 02:43 PM 2/7/00 -0500, you wrote:
>You got away with more than I have so far.....:-) Somehow Lis*tar seems to
>know what the original post was even though you don't include it in the
>post???

If you check out the posts I made on the 61-79 list early
this morning, you'll find that I upped the quoting limit to
40 lines.

Ken


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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 16:42:14 -0800
Subject: Re: Power Lumbar
From: Rob Bryan netgate.net>

Try reversing the polarity of the wiring you connected to the seat. It
sounds like it is hooked up backwards making the inflation pump act as a
suction pump.

Rob

> Gentlemen, I have a question. I have a 96 F150 xl, with a vinyl
> bench. I have just purchased a used cloth flight bench seat with the
> power lumbar support. Question is, I ran the 12 volts up to the plug
> under the seat, but no matter what way I plug the 12 volts into it, it
> doesn't "pump" air, it forms a "Vacumn" instead. What could be wrong? I
> am at a loss.....for now..
> Thanks,
> Rich


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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:55:53 -0500
From: S Spaulding worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Vin Decoding

Bob, to be more specific:

1FDEE14HOKHC20000

1FD = Ford Motor Company, USA (2 for Canada) and D means incomplete
vehicle (IV), which means that it went to a non-Ford location to be
completed. You must have a conversion van.

E = Hydraulic brakes, Class E (6,001 - 7,000 Pounds)

E14 = Econoline E150 Cargo Van (Truck or IV)

H = 351 motor

0 = check digit

K = 1989

H = Loraine, Ohio Assembly Plant

C20000 = Numerical sequence

I hope this helps.

Steve

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:51:53 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Quoting limits

Quoting limits have been removed until I can get the bugs
worked out.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:04:55 -0500
From: John Wickerham mics.net>
Subject: Re: oil in air filter

Regarding you guys with oil in the air filter housing.
Did you check to see that the passage between your
PCV valve and intake manifold is clear? It could well
be that this is clogged up, and not allowing enough
flow for the blowby past the rings to go through the
PCV valve. If so, then it has to go through the breather.

I had this happen on a car of mine. Mine was a throttel
body injection with the PCV passage at the base of the
throttle body. I had to use a 1/4" drill bit to very
carefully pull out all the buildup. Once the passage
was clear, it was fine.

John


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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:58:43 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: TFI-IV and advance

The Spout connector looks like an in-line fuse, you pull the bridge out, then set
base timing. On a '86 302 TFI-VI, it's located in the wire harness in front of the
distributor.

Bob





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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:55:30 -0800
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: TFI-IV and advance

At 07:26 PM 2/6/00 -0600, you wrote:
>You'll find the SPOUT (not a clue what that stands for) connector on one of
>the wires coming out of the TFI module

Ahhhhhhh, it's becoming a bit more clear or at least not quite as muddy.
I will go over the TFI chapter in Chiltons again and at least have an idea
what I am reading.
Thank you sir,
Chuck



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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:07:32 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting notes

Uh huh, been there done that. I learned on my first reply.

Bob


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From: "Troy" yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:46:41 -0500
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - electrical fires: ignition switch recall

On 28 Jan 00, at 8:51, BAH NWC.EDU wrote:

>There is a recall (issued about 2 years ago) for the ignition switch (the
>electrical component mounted at the base of the steering column, not the lock
>cylinder) that covers A LOT of Ford products. There's a remote possiblity of
>this causing a fire. Give any Ford dealer the VIN of the vehicle in question,
>and they can see if it is covered by this, or any other recall.

What years and models were included in this recall?


You might be a redneck if... Your clothesline has at least two
splices in it. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:45:57 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: Compression test results, bad valve seals?

At 16:49 07/02/00 -0600, you wrote:
>hey guys. i just got through doing a compression test on my 85 F-150.


... anything above 50mph and i don't have hardly any power.
>and if i try to speed up to pass someone, or just keep the truck at
>65mph while going up hill, it is like i am doing an impersonation of
>James Bond's smoke screen! i was fouling plugs out every 2 or 3 weeks,
>but since i installed an MSD coil, the plugs have now lasted for 4 weeks
>but they look preetty bad. anyone want to put there $.02 in, or do yall
>think i am right on this?

David-
Is the smoke screen white or black? Because if it is black, it is too much
fuel. If it is white, then it is oil. And with compession figures as good
as you quoted, if it is oil then I'd say you are right, it is valve stem
seals that are leaking. Were they replaced?


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:01:24 -0800
From: Mike Madden garlic.com>
Subject: Cold Speedometer Woes

I had this same problem. New speedo cable took care of it.
regards,
mike madden

Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server wrote:

>
> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 17:24:07 -0500
> From: "Theodore D. Mills" martnet.com>
> Subject: Cold speedo error?
>
> Here's a good one......
>
> I have noticed several times since the "real" winter arrived that the
> speedo on my 91 F-250 reads high when it's cold.
> ..........


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From: "Dave Harmier" gte.net>
Subject: Re: thank the gods...
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:11:24 -0600

What you must understand, is I never want to HEAR my exhaust. As soon as
shorty headers take the place of my utterly cracked drivers side manifold,
I wont!!!!!

So I can't help with glass packs, except to say... my truck had, before it
rotted out, an East Texas inbred cat back system, with NO mufflers. It was
plenty loud. As it went away, my cats were plugging up too. Until just
before this new work, it was exiting right at the cab/bed junction, ans
wasn't that loud.

And our play car is a C**vy El Camino. Which has dual glass packs, no cats,
and bazooka tips.
It is VERY loud. As is getting real mufflers very soon.

So there ya go. Do as you will, just don't do it to my vehicles!!!!

Dave H.

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From: AeroPics aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:55:00 EST
Subject: E4OD Towing (long)

I own a 92 F250 XLT 4 X 2, 351 ci, 3.55 rear end, E4OD transmission. Bought
in 95. The tranny was rebuilt 2 years ago and the engine was rebuilt 3 months
ago.

I drag a 2500 lb (empty) 18' enclosed gooseneck trailer across the Everglades
from Naples to Homestead, FL (120 miles) and back every month or so. Two
weeks ago, during this trip, I stopped on the side of the road and smoke
started rolling out from under the truck. Transmission fluid was dripping
out of the vent hole and onto the exhaust pipe. Since I figured it would
cool better if the truck was moving, there were no signs of trouble while
driving, and I was in the middle of the Everglades I got back in and
continued down the road. I had been running with cruise on at 73mph in
overdrive (this is how I always drive this route with the trailer empty). I
drove the remaining 80 miles to Homestead with the overdrive off at 60. No
further problems. When I arrived I checked the fluid and it seemed to be
above the full mark. I drove 50 miles loading up the trailer and 120 miles
back home with overdrive off at 65. No sign of any problems.

I checked the fluid after driving the next day and it was still above the
full mark. We used it every day (without the trailer) for the rest of the
week with no problems.

Friday night I drove the truck to Birmingham, AL to bring a car back to
Naples. We used a Uhaul auto transport (2000 lb) and were transporting a
small 2300 lb car. At the last gas stop after 3 hours of hills at 70 the
truck was dripping fluid on the exhaust again. It stopped while we were
filling up. There were no symptoms, other than the dripping fluid, and the
overdrive had been turned off since we picked up the trailer. We finished
the trip in rather dense fog so our speed dropped to 50 or 60 for much of the
remaining 300 miles and we had no further problems.

The Haynes manual mentions fluid coming from the vent being a sign of over
filling. I will be changing the fluid and filter. Seems like an extra
transmission cooler might be a good idea also.

I am thinking the mechanic changed the fluid after replacing the engine and
put in too much. When the fluid heats up it expands and overflows out the
vent. The tranny shifts smooth, doesn't whine, doesn't clunk into gear,
performs like it is in perfect condition.

Has anyone experienced anything like this? Do my conclusions seem reasonable?

Thanks

Ron
Naples, FL

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From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:34:11 EST
Subject: Re: Ken Payne is "The Man"

DITTO KEN! Thanks a lot for such a great job you put into everything!

Chris Greene

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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 14:46:14 +0800
From: Larry Tan pworld.net.ph>
Subject: 1989 club wagon defective ABS

Dear Sir,

Need help. I have a 1989 ford van club wagon, and I need to find out where
the problem is. But I don't have a scan tool. How to I know where the
defect is originating from the box or the sensor. How do I short or ground
the wires to retieve the data? How do I retrieve the ABS code with which
PIN# should I short or ground. Thank you for any advise you can extend.

Sam


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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:12:26 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy uswest.net>
Subject: Re: 1989 club wagon defective ABS

Go here, it's got all the info you'll need.

Good Luck,

Bob

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dalidesign.com/hbook/eectest.html


> How do I short or ground
> the wires to retieve the data? How do I retrieve the ABS code with which
> PIN# should I short or ground. Thank you for any advise you can extend.
>
> Sam


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From: "Bowman, John A" mtt.ca>
Subject: Re: 80-96-list Digest V1 #2000
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:04:08 -0400

Just to let you know I have yet to receive the digest... I have been getting
it for almost 2 years... must I resubscribe?

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