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80-96-list Digest Sun, 06 Feb 2000 Volume: 01 Issue: 2002

In This Issue:
speedometer/odometer in PA
Re: carb question
Oil In Air Filter--Mine Too!
Free CarFax report URL
Broken doorlocks and shoddy work
Power Steering Pump
TFI-IV and advance
Re: TFI-IV and advance
Oil in air filter Oil in air filter
Re: TFI-IV and advance
Re: Oil In Air Filter--Mine Too!
Intro/ aftermarket stuff.
Re: TFI-IV and advance
Re: TFI-IV and advance
Re: TFI-IV and advance
thank the gods that the digest is back!!!
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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: speedometer/odometer in PA
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 02:35:18 -0500

> The key seems to be cold soak overnight close to or below
> freezing and it reads high.
> When everything has had several hours to warm up, it's ok.
>
> I'm suspecting the speedo head unit is the problem since the
> truck uses a mechanical speedo.
>
> My questions are...
>
> Can the speedo be changed with out changing the odometer?

nope, not without some serious mechanical messing with it,
but you can change the cable.

> Can I do it or does it have to go to a shop?

for the most part, a home mechanic sort can swap out the
whole unit without to omuch problem ... dismantling the
speedo/odometer unit to preserve the odometer might be
more trouble than its worth.

> I'm reasonably mechanically inclined, but since this may
> require tampering with the odometer, are there legal issues?

It depends ... odometer tampering is illegal only if it is with
intent to misrepresent the actual mileage. If you look on your
vehicle title, there is a place to mark that indicates that the
odometer reading is incorrect for reasons other than rollover.
If you swap out the instrument cluster, and report to the DOT
that the vehicle's odometer no longer reflects the correct mileage
because you changed out an instrument that didn't work for a
new or used one that does, I doubt that there would be a problem.

The best thing to do if you are going to change the instrument
or instrument cluster would be to contact the Department of
Transportation, Bureau of Motor Vehicles regarding what you
would have to do legal-wise if you change out the OEM
odometer.

> Any body from Pennsylvania got any advice?

There may also be a form for reporting an odometer discrepancy
due to repairing the unit here :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/forms/index.asp






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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:58:47 -0600
From: Jim Cannon gtalumni.org>
Subject: Re: carb question

The factory shop manual for your year would be your best reference.

I'll tell you what I did once, before I had my shop manuals... I went and
bought a rebuild kit for my carb (about $22). There are disassembly and
adjustment directions in the kit. The parts are all in a shrink-wrap sealed
inner box (which means once you open it you can not return it) but the
directions are outside the shrink-wrap. So I took them and went and xeroxed
them, then brought the kit back and told them "I decided it was too
complicated". ;-)

It's not a perfect reference, but it is a start.

At 22:42 05/02/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Do you folks have any place special on the net that you go to for
>I 6 stuff? In particular I am looking for a MotorCraft (carter) 1 bbl
>with a tag # of E5TEUA.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8

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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:59:03 -0700
From: Jere Reineberg infomagic.com>
Subject: Oil In Air Filter--Mine Too!

The same thing just started happening with my I 6, '85 F 150.

The engine has 72,000 miles. I did oil and filter changes every 2,000
miles throughout it's life.

I went to change my air filter last week, and I found about 1/2 cup of
oil in the filter housing. The crankcase air filter was, of course,
saturated with oil. Changing the PCV valve hasn't made any difference.

I cleaned up everything, put in new filters, did about 100 miles of
highway driving and rechecked the filter. I wasn't surprised to find
more oil in the filter.

The compressions are 135 to 138 on all cylinders.

The truck seems to drive ok....same amount of power.....clean
exhaust.........

Any suggestions????

Thanks

Jere
Flagstaff, AZ


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From: "Mike" email.msn.com>
Subject: Free CarFax report URL
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 09:12:26 -0700

CarFax is allowing you to research your VIN for free at this URL.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.carfax.com/fox

I confirmed what I had always suspected - that my 85 F250 has an extra 100k
on the clock.

enjoy,
mike miller
85 F250 xcab, 4x4, 6.9l banks turbo



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From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr." exit109.com>
Subject: Broken doorlocks and shoddy work
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:37:16 -0500

First off, thanks for all the updates Ken, and I'm glad to see that all
the upgrades went through successfully.

Now for the rest of you, I had a funny problem with the power locks in
my 95 F150 in recent months and it finally got bad enough where I just had
to fix it. When I purchased the truck used from a dealership, I had nothing
but problems with the work that I had them do before I picked it up. For
the first two weeks I owned the truck, they had it for 8 days and managed to
screw up everything they touched, etc. Anyway, I had them put in an alarm
system and that seemed to be the only thing they did right, until recently.
The problem showed up as a glitchy remote which wouldn't always unlock
the doors. I disabled the alarm and lived with it for a while. Then I
noticed that when the remote wouldn't work, the doorlock switches inside the
cab wouldn't work either. Hrmmm. After a little playing around I found
that if I opened the driver's side door incrementally, it would work, it
wouldn't work, would, wouldn't, and so on. Ok, loose connection.
I opened up the door panel and pulled the paneling from inside the cab
on the driver's side to take a look-see. In the alarm system wiring I found
one wire that had popped off its terminal and a couple more that were never
put on the terminal correctly and were just waiting for fall off. I hooked
'em all back up and it still didn't work. Grrr... And now the switches in
the cab didn't work at all. Double Grrr...
I finally found the problem inside the rubber boot that runs from the
cab to the doors. These fools spliced into the wires right where they move
the most! Needless to say, a wire was broken in there, and while it was
easy enough to fix, I know I'll be doing the job again within a year or two.
At least now I'll know where to look.
Sorry this one was so long, but I really had to vent. I'm amazed that
people can make a living doing such a half-*ssed job.
Hope this helps someone. It sure did wonders for me. ;-)

-Mike



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From: "Robert Werner" postmaster.co.uk>
Subject: Power Steering Pump
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:30:37 +0000

I've got a 91 F-150 with a 300 strait-six. The power steering pump growls whenever I turn the wheel. I understand that this is a common problem with this model truck. Someone told if you let the fluid get low once, it growls forever. So, what I was wondering was whether there was a way I could fix the stock pump, or would I have to buy a new one. It works fine, just annoys me ( It's hard to skip school with a truck that everybody can identify by the groan it makes when I try to turn.)
Thanks,
Robert

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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 11:30:20 -0800
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: TFI-IV and advance

Here's what I've got and here is (one of) my problem(s):
1986 F150, 300 cu in with a TFI-IV ignition (distributor).
I have ordered my factory shop manuals but will be a few
weeks until I get them.
Chilton (70-86 Ford Truck edition) says that my ignition
needs not to have the ignition set as the unit does it all.
Now that seems weird to me but I'm used to working on
a 64 Falcon with a regular ignition system.
Anyway, I have colored the mark on the pulley and colored
the 0 6 10 degree marks on the "degree marker". Before I
read about the "don't set the timing", I had set it at 12~
BTC . Now, with the engine running, when I speed up the
engine, the timing mark does not move...no advance, at least
as far as I can tell. Is the advance really taking place but I
just can't see it from the marker/pulley?
The main reason I ask is that this truck has absolutely no
power at all. It seems almost OK in 1st and 2nd but in
third I'm lucky if it will climp to 40MPH in 2 city blocks!
Any ideas out there?
I thank you and my wife (her truck) thanks you,
Chuck


Chuck Sanborn FCA# 07175
Torrance, CA
1964 Falcon Sprint, 289 w/351W heads, etc
86 F150 300 cu in six banger (Hers)


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From: Lingus0169 aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:37:05 EST
Subject: Re: TFI-IV and advance

chuck, i had the same problem with my 85 f150 300 i-6..all you have to do is
keep adjusting the timing on it and you will eventually get it
right...unfortunately in my case, after i got it running pretty good,the head
cracked...from other problems of course...good luck with it.
nick
85/82 351w f150 4x4

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Subject: Oil in air filter Oil in air filter
From: craig n eggerman juno.com>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 15:52:46 EST

Before you go to the expense and time of compression tests ect. Check the
crank case vapor recovery system. A plugged PCV valve will cause
problems. Some times it is the lines from the PCV valve to the air
intake. Or the grommet connection that the PCV valve goes into. I had a
J***p once that had as real design problem with two tubes that went to
the air intake. When the little back line would plug up it would send oil
into the air filter. It was actually plugging in the grommet that the
line was seated in. They changed the design in 94 and latter models did
not have this problem.
Craig
Eggerman juno.com
Casper,Wyoming
O|||||O

________________________________________________________________





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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:25:58 -0800
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: TFI-IV and advance

Hey Nick,
Thanks for getting back to me....I can move the timing mark by rotating
the distributor, so....which worked for you? Retard or advance?
Chuck

At 03:37 PM 2/6/00 -0500, you wrote:
>chuck, i had the same problem with my 85 f150 300 i-6..all you have to do is
>keep adjusting the timing on it and you will eventually get it
>right..




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From: RiTruckGuy aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:02:39 EST
Subject: Re: Oil In Air Filter--Mine Too!

There are about 15 guys I know (including me) having this same problem with
the same engine. I've changed everything in the crankcase system and nothing
has helped. I've also replaced every vacuum line, ensured the exhaust system
is clear, and replaced the intake/exhaust gasket. All to no avail. I've
done the compression check and I'm good on all six cylinders. If anybody out
there has any new ideas I'd appreciate hearing them.

Thanks,
Bill
'97 F150 4X4 SC 4.6L
'82 F100 Flareside 4.9L

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From: williamfriggle webtv.net (William Friggle)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:21:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Intro/ aftermarket stuff.

Hello all,
I am new to the list and have a question. I have a 86 F150 4.9L one
barrel. Has 181,000 miles on it and runs great. Body is in need of
repair though. When I look in magazine adds, I see stuff for __ - 84 &
87 - 99 listed. Why does their seem to be very little for 85 & 86
F150's? Is there a place to get good after market stuff for these years?
I did just put on a High flow exhaust system, including a high flow cat,
and a K & N Air filter. Runs and sounds even better than before. Dynomax
brand. Very good tone, but not as loud as I had hoped, but good enough.
I am going to be getting a Jacobs electronics system for it. Should
really be good then. Does anyone have one of these?

Thanks,

Bill F.


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From: "Travis Moore" arkansas.net>
Subject: Re: TFI-IV and advance
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:40:03 -0600

Chuck,

Did you disconnect the SPOUT connector before you set the timing? Got to do
this to set the base timing. Once that's done you can check the advance by
plugging it in while you're checking the timing. You should see it advance
when you plug it in.

-----Original Message-----
From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of chuck sanborn
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 1:30 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] TFI-IV and advance


Here's what I've got and here is (one of) my problem(s):
1986 F150, 300 cu in with a TFI-IV ignition (distributor).
I have ordered my factory shop manuals but will be a few
weeks until I get them.
Chilton (70-86 Ford Truck edition) says that my ignition
needs not to have the ignition set as the unit does it all.
Now that seems weird to me but I'm used to working on
a 64 Falcon with a regular ignition system.
Anyway, I have colored the mark on the pulley and colored
the 0 6 10 degree marks on the "degree marker". Before I
read about the "don't set the timing", I had set it at 12~
BTC . Now, with the engine running, when I speed up the
engine, the timing mark does not move...no advance, at least
as far as I can tell. Is the advance really taking place but I
just can't see it from the marker/pulley?
The main reason I ask is that this truck has absolutely no
power at all. It seems almost OK in 1st and 2nd but in
third I'm lucky if it will climp to 40MPH in 2 city blocks!
Any ideas out there?
I thank you and my wife (her truck) thanks you,
Chuck


Chuck Sanborn FCA# 07175
Torrance, CA
1964 Falcon Sprint, 289 w/351W heads, etc
86 F150 300 cu in six banger (Hers)

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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:12:32 -0800
From: chuck sanborn deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: TFI-IV and advance

At 05:40 PM 2/6/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Chuck,
>
>Did you disconnect the SPOUT connector before you set the timing? Got to do
>this to set the base timing.
>Travis

Hi Travis,
Heh, go easy on me....what the heck is a SPOUT connector? I see the Mustang
guys talk about it but have paid little attention since my 64 "ain't got no
SPOUT".
There is no vacuum advance cannister on the distributor but then you probably
already knew that. I'm afraid my Chilton book is a bit lacking....or I am :-|
Chuck


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From: "Travis Moore" arkansas.net>
Subject: Re: TFI-IV and advance
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:26:33 -0600

You'll find the SPOUT (not a clue what that stands for) connector on one of
the wires coming out of the TFI module. It will either be an inline type
(like on my 84, or a connector with a removable jumper that slides out (my
94). In both cases, remember it's a single wire connector. When you
disconnect it or remove the jumper the computer no longer can control the
distrubutor advance.

Hope that helps...............



-----Original Message-----
From: 80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:80-96-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of chuck sanborn
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 7:13 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [80-96-list] Re: TFI-IV and advance


At 05:40 PM 2/6/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Chuck,
>
>Did you disconnect the SPOUT connector before you set the timing? Got to
do
>this to set the base timing.
>Travis

Hi Travis,
Heh, go easy on me....what the heck is a SPOUT connector? I see the Mustang
guys talk about it but have paid little attention since my 64 "ain't got no
SPOUT".
There is no vacuum advance cannister on the distributor but then you
probably
already knew that. I'm afraid my Chilton book is a bit lacking....or I am
:-|
Chuck

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From: "Dave Harmier" gte.net>
Subject: thank the gods that the digest is back!!!
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:40:16 -0600

I had posted where I got a new cat, muffler, and tailpipe.

I highly recommend anyone over 100k miles try a new cat.... Yee Haww!!!!!

92 F-150 SC 5.0/E4OD 213k miles and as good as ever!!!

YMMV

Dave H.
Houston, TX

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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:17:24 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Posting notes

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Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 02:21:29 EST
Subject: Re: thank the gods that the digest is back!!!....


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