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80-96-list-digest Tuesday, December 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 360



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Turn signals
Re: FTE 80-96 - Emission Contorls/Air Pump Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard Clutch
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard Clutch
FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96- the smell
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco hesitates
FTE 80-96 - Help! Not Ford but similar difficulties!
RE: FTE 80-96 - the smell
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Manifold
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-Fords
FTE 80-96 - Re: hard clutch
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96- Need help
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 Engine Tranny Swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 Engine Tranny Swap
FTE 80-96 - 82 Engine tranny swap
FTE 80-96 - Annual AFTE/FTE charity event
Re: FTE 80-96 - 82 Engine tranny swap
FTE 80-96 - Exhausted Manifolds

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:05:51 -0500
From: slikness mindspring.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Turn signals

> The turn signals on my 88 3500 extended died without warning. I replacedthe signal unit and checked the fuses and they are ok. Any ideas? Haveyou been there and done that?
Doug
arnold snowline.net

If they stopped working and you did not blow a fuse then you can rule out a dead short. It sounds like you lost a ground connection, probably coming from the steering column. If you have an electrical diagram, you have a shot at tracing the wiring and checking for continuity (with an ohm meter). With all blinkers out, I would check for a bad connection somewhere inside your cab. It could be that you have a loose hot wire someplace also, but most times the hot wire will short with ground somewhere in the circuit. It's like hunting for a needle in a haystack when you start running down electrical wiring problems.

Slik
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:13:48 -0500
From: slikness mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Emission Contorls/Air Pump Problem

> I've got a '87 F-250 with a 351 Automatic. There are two Pumps on the rhside of the engine that the manual lists as Thermactor air pumps. One of the pumps (the lower) is seized.

The question is: does anyone know if removing these two units will cause any problems?

I've run the engine without them installed and everything appeared to be OK.

I'm surprised it's not driving your computer a little wacko. But, the pumps are used to dump fresh air into the heads and into the catalytic convertor to help better combust gas fumes that have not completely burned in the cylinder and exhaust. IMHO, they are a costly and inefficient device that you do not see in newer vehicles. They rob HP and do not typically give you as clean a burn as what the theory behind them postulates. Plus, they add a lot of clutter to the engine bay. But, be careful if you have smog inspections in the state. That's a lot of equipment and if you remove it, it sticks out like a sore thumb. My state does a visual check for smog equipment and then a sniffer test, so if that junk isn't in place, they may not pass your vehicle. (Doesn't have to work, just has to be in place.)

Slik


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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:33:08 -0700
From: "Jim"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard Clutch

From: "Hummer Luvver"
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Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hard Clutch
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> I have an '88 F-150 XLT Lariat, with a 5-speed and the 300 I-6. It's been
> well taken care of, and served me very well. At 212k my dad and I replaced
> the clutch and the mastercilider, because the clutch itself had become
> really hard to push down...not unbearable, just abnormally difficult. Also,
> we figured it was time to replace it before an actual problem developed.
> For some reason, this did nothing for the 'hard clutch'. I'm now at 236k,
> and still experiencing the same 'hard clutch'. I've gotten used to it, and
> it's not a problem or anything, I was just wondering if anyone has
> experienced anything simular, and how to fix it...if possible. The fluid is
> fine. It's checked and maintained, so I wouldn't think it would be some
> kind of leak in the mastercylinder. I don't know. Thanks for your comments
> in advance.---Nathan
> ______________________________________________________
> >
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When you had the clutchout did you check the front
bearing retainer on the trans? This is the part that the
relaease bearing rides on. If you have to apply a lot of
pressure to get the clutch started moving, and then it
seems ok you probably have the front bearing retainer
wore out. they develope an small "shoulder" on them as
the years go by, and when you apply the pedal you have
to make enough pressure to get the release bearing to
jjump over the shoulder. then all is well. This is
something that gets overlooked alot even by so called
professional shops, and IMHO ,it is simply because
nobody stocks this part as a rule so usualy has to be
ordered in delaying the project. They are available
aftermarket at considerable savings over factory parts,
Check with any large transmission rebuiler or supply
houses Mine cost 26 bucks plus some freight compared
to 95$ from Ford. There may other ideas as to what is
wrong also ,this is just a common problem good luck


Jim Flinchbaugh NW Montana
1987 F150 5.0 EFI 4 speed 4X4 ext cab
New engine as of last week!! yippie!
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:56:14 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard Clutch

At 07:33 20/12/99 -0700, Jim Flinchbaugh wrote:

> When you had the clutchout did you check the front
>bearing retainer on the trans? This is the part that the
>relaease bearing rides on. If you have to apply a lot of
>pressure to get the clutch started moving, and then it
>seems ok you probably have the front bearing retainer
>wore out. they develope an small "shoulder" on them as
>the years go by, and when you apply the pedal you have
>to make enough pressure to get the release bearing to
>jjump over the shoulder. then all is well. This is
>something that gets overlooked alot even by so called
>professional shops, and IMHO ,it is simply because
>nobody stocks this part as a rule so usualy has to be
>ordered in delaying the project.



>Jim Flinchbaugh NW Montana
>1987 F150 5.0 EFI 4 speed 4X4 ext cab
> New engine as of last week!! yippie!

I agree with Jim. I assumed you put in new throwout bearing (you did,
right?) so that only leaves this bearing retainer.

Jim, whereabouts in NW Montana are ya'? I have visited friends in Eureka
several times over the years and my neighbors flew to Columbia Falls
yesterday. Small world.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:23:29 -0800
From: acor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96- the smell

I have an F250 4x4 bought new in '91. In Oct '94 I received warranty recall
notice 93S68 which required dealer to remove rear fuel tank and install P/N
F4PZ*9155*B Kit#2 (fuel pressure regulator/check valve). This is to ensure
that excess fuel from injection system is returned to the same tank and not
the other one. If excess fuel is sent to other tank and that one is full,
overflow will result. At that time the dealer told me they had several
users complain of gas smell.
The above referenced recall and part number may only apply to trucks made
in Canada but it is worth checking into. Good luck

Al Cornish acornish aebc.com
Vancouver


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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:45:09 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco hesitates

Wouldn't blame the computer. Check the Throttle Position Sensor, then maybe
fuel line pressure.

Bob


Jim B wrote:

> I have a 86 Ford Bronco with a 302 EFI
> at idle or easy pressure on the throttle it is fine but if i jump on it
> hesitates and bucks real bad this just started
>
> I have all new cap rotor wires and plugs
>
> Could this be a computer problem?
>
> Jim Beck
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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:52:16 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Help! Not Ford but similar difficulties!

On the Toyota Corolla that my sister owns, I posted that the battery died I
think a while back. One morning recently (NO heat soak!) the car, on it's
third (second rebuilt) starter acted just like the solenoid is not passing
juice. Soon it started anyway, but just awhile ago, it did it again. This
time no go, and she has my truck. That S*cks! It would be a no-brainer,
except I cannot change said starter, my arms are too big, and will not bend
that way!

I would say that the only way to go would be a genuine Toyota starter, but
my truck, and a LOT of other stuff start just fine with O'Reilly rebuilts.

I checked volts upon todays trouble, 12.59 key off, no worse than 12.25
after approx. 5 seconds key to start, and that might be just the
accesories. Wiring seems to be ok (theres a lot more of it than most
things!)

Stuff like this makes my head hurt!!!

Dave H.
Houston
92 F-150
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:08:57 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - the smell

....I left my F150 ('89) in the garage for several days this week.
The gasoline smell was very heavy. No spots on the floor; the
truck started right up. Both tanks are full. This isn't the first
time this has happened. The odor seems to
be worse when I have a full aux. tank (rear tank)......

My rear tank leaks a little when full also. I've heard of several others.
I think it's around the sender at the top of the tank. My solution is to
drive the rear tank first after a fill for at least 25 miles. No more
smell. Pulling a tank is alot of work. Knowing these Ford fuel system
problems, I'll wait for the inevitable bad fuel pump or sender before
pulling the tank.

David Anderson

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 07:09:28 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Manifold

Hi Alex,
Thanks for the Info. The things you can learn about on the Ford Truck Site.

Geez, If we see a car on the side of the road 'Weed Eating' as you call it - we
say 'Spare Parts' - What do we need!!

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:

> Hi Les,
> Walter P. was the founder of Chrysler.... I discovered his boyhood home had
> been preserved in a little town in Kansas (the other OZ) when I was out
> cruising the back roads for antique Ford Tractors. Amongst my friends that
> are considered Ford fans, anything coming out of Chrysler Corp. (Dodge,
> Chrysler and the late Plymouths and DeSoto's) is referred to as either a
> ''Walter P.'' or a ''Weed Eater''.... (theory being they MUST be consuming
> vegetation, since they're are so often spotted along side the road grazing.)
> Alex
>
> (with apologies to MoPar sympathizers)
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:59:01 EST
From: ADCSRWS aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-Fords

Less,
Though the years I have owned the following:
36 Ford Tudor
41 5 window coupe
51 Tudor
55 Tudor
61 Falcon Station Wagon
66 Mustang 289 (Best Car I ever Owned) Bought it new and it is still in the

family. 205000 miles and going strong. Very low maintenance.
86 F-150 302 with AOD and a towing kit. 122000 miles and just getting broke
in.
91 Taurus. At very best, this car is not much. Built like off shore junk.
With the exception of the Taurus, They have all served me well. I did a
few
stupid maintenance things but that's just the learning process.
Hang in there!
Dick
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:24:44 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: hard clutch

> really hard to push down...not unbearable, just abnormally difficult.
Also,
> we figured it was time to replace it before an actual problem developed.
> For some reason, this did nothing for the 'hard clutch'. I'm now at 236k,
> and still experiencing the same 'hard clutch'. I've gotten used to it,
and
> it's not a problem or anything, I was just wondering if anyone has
> experienced anything simular, and how to fix it...if possible.

My '83 has the 'hard clutch' syndrome too ... but its 100% mechanical, non
hydraulic linkage ... strong pressure plate springs or pedal return spring,
perhaps ?



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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:36:30 EST
From: Menagias aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96- Need help

Dear Ford truckers
In early Sept. I ordered a F250 SD SC XLT, so far no truck.
The dealer does not know why. This Truck is being built in
Kentukey. If any one works for Ford there or any where and
can help me find out why such a long delay please respond.
Thanks
Elias
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:46:18 EST
From: BanksRVA aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 Engine Tranny Swap

Hey folks, I just acquired an 82 E350 with a 351M in it. I am going to put in
a
351W and tranny from another 82 van. Will these engines and trannies swap
without any trouble or are there some problems that I am going to run into?
Any feedback and advice is appreciated.
Thanks,
Joe
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:33:20 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 Engine Tranny Swap

>Hey folks, I just acquired an 82 E350 with a 351M in it. I am going to put in
>a
>351W and tranny from another 82 van. Will these engines and trannies swap
>without any trouble or are there some problems that I am going to run into?
>Any feedback and advice is appreciated.
>Thanks,
>Joe

I have never done it with a van, but I would think that if you are swapping
both (and therefore will not have adaptation problems between the two
components) you would have few problems. Especially since it is the same
year van. Motor mounts and crossmember locations may need changed. Your
driveshaft(s) may need shortened or lengthened. Now another thing may be
the engine accessories. Try to get everything with the doner engine.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:42:27 EST
From: BanksRVA aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 82 Engine tranny swap

Sorry folks, It's a 351W and tranny I am putting in for a 400 in the
82 van, not a 351M.
Thanks,
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:44:11 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Annual AFTE/FTE charity event

The Association of Ford Truck Enthusiasts (AFTE), the non-profit
club made up of Ford Truck Enthusiasts (FTE) users, is holding
their first annual charity event (actually, their second, though
they were not yet organized as a club them).

This year, AFTE is raising funds for two causes:

1. a list member's son who is a paraplegic and could really
use a decent laptop with voice recognition software. He
became disabled last year and needless to say, he's not
in the best of spirits. I think we can bring a little
joy into his life.
2. the Georgia LoRiders, a long standing Ford truck club,
is raising money for the family of a child found in the
family swimming pool. The child is brain damaged and the
father must stay home to take care of him because the mother
is VERY pregnant. AFTE is going to donate any money left
over from item 1 to the Georgia LoRiders for this family.

There are three ways you can donate:

1. Send a check or money order to:
Association of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
re: Charity Drive
Box 562
Tecumseh, MI 49286-0562

2. Via credit card on the web. The FTE web site is set up
to take credit cards. We're going to add an item to the
cart for this. You'll be able to select any amount you
want. All funds will be forwarded to AFTE for their
drive. The address is:
www.motorhaven.com

3. Via credit card on voice mail. FTE's phone number is
770-806-1955. Leave name on card, type of card, card
number, expiration date and amount to donate. Also,
PLEASE leave an address so we can mail a receipt to you.
All funds will be forwarded to AFTE for their drive.
This number is busy in the evenings!

The laptop purchase receipt and the check cut to the
Georgia LoRiders will be scanned and placed on the web
site so everyone will know their donations were well
spent. There will be zero administration costs. All
money will be spent for the charity.

Regards,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:08:07 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 82 Engine tranny swap

>Sorry folks, It's a 351W and tranny I am putting in for a 400 in the
>82 van, not a 351M.
>Thanks,


Same thing Joe anyway. The 351M and 400 are exactly the same except for the
stroke. Only parts difference in the whole engine is the crankshaft and
pistons.


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:46:55 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhausted Manifolds

Hi Blake,

I don't really know and besides, things are a little different down under. If you
accept the theory that Mr. Johnson put forward, as to why cast manifolds crack in
the first place, then the logical extension is, we should expect more problems. I
don't really know the temperature the exhaust manifolds run at in the '70's, but I
sure as hell know, in the late 90's it's hotter. Phred may be able to get this info
from his 'toy room' or Ken may be able to 'cast' some light on this.
Anyway, as this is a discussion group, and there are ?? subscribers to this list.
Does anyone have a better theory to discuss? ;-)

BTW: Does anyone know what the approx. floating population of subscribers to this
particular list is ? I am on one other list and each time you post, you are told
how many people will receive the post. I'm not complaining, just curious.......

Well, I have posted at least 3 mails and not used the word 'Propane' - your luck
just ran out.;-))
Propane 351 V8 engines idle at about 550 rpm - considerably less than the petrol
equivalent, which has to help reduce manifold temps.

Blake, I noted you post on the Fire Engines with Dual Mags and that reminded me of
a Citroen of the late 40's era. It had dual ignition system, both Mag & Dizzy
selectable from the drivers seat, - I think .... it was a bloody long time ago!!,
for both of us.....and I was about 12 at the time I saw it ....and NO I wasn't 12
in the late 40's either!!

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ

Blake Malkamaki wrote:

> In regard to manifolds... are the cast iron manifolds on the 80s style 302s
> different from the 70s? I never had a bit of problems with the 302 manifold....


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