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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 4WD and mileage
FTE 80-96 - F250 351 C6 MPG
FTE 80-96 - Re: Water Injection
RE: FTE 80-96 - Rear Wheel HP
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Manifold
Re: FTE 80-96 - towing
RE: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Manifold
FTE 80-96 - Ford and Ch**y commercial
Re: FTE 80-96 - differance between C6 and C4
Re: FTE 80-96 - Da Gas...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rear Wheel HP
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford and Ch**y commercial
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Too Much Power...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Landing lights & Gas gauge questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - glasspack
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5 ways my truck has changed my life
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Rear Wheel HP
Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE: 80-96 4WD and mileage
RE: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Manifold
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford and Ch**y commercial
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rear Wheel HP
Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE: 80-96 4WD and mileage
FTE 80-96 - re: 302 knock
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Water Injection
Re: FTE 80-96 - Da Gas...
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 302 knock
FTE 80-96 - Free shipping on the web site
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Water Injection
Re: FTE 80-96 - Da Gas...
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 302 knock
Re: FTE 80-96 - differance between C6 and C4
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rear Wheel HP

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:55:12 -0600
From: BAH NWC.EDU
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4WD and mileage

Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:08:26 -0800
From: "Dennis"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE: 80-96 4WD and mileage

1. Is there anything wrong with leaving your
hubs engaged during the winter?


In my book, nothing wrong at all. I'm of
the "lock 'em in the fall...unlock 'em in
the spring school".

Theoretically, there's less drag with them
unlocked, but I've never been able to
measure any change in gas mileage (locked,
vs. unlocked). By the way, my '86 (f.i. 5.0,
NP435, 3.50 gears, 4X4), gets 12.5 +/-
year-round.

To my way of thinking, the convenience of
being able to grab 4WD whenever you want/need
it far outweighs any marginal benefit of less
drag/less front end component wear.

Bruce Hanson
Apple Valley, MN


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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:37:17 -0600
From: Andy Norris
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F250 351 C6 MPG

>2. 89' F250 ext cab long box 4WD 351W C6, stock size 16" tires, fuel
>injected. 68000 original miles. Around town I am getting 10mpg, is this
>excessivelly low?

I have an '89 F250 super cab with the 8' bed 2WD 351 C6, stock tires, 140k
original miles... Over the 6500 miles since I bought the thing, I'm
averaging 10.32MPG, and that includes an appreciable amount of interstate
and blacktop high way driving. Doesn't matter too much what's in the bed,
either.

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:49:01 EST
From: ADCSRWS aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Water Injection

Guys,
In the old days, (When aircraft had connrods) Water injection was used
frequently to clean up an engine that wouldn'd pass a pre takeoff mag check.
I never did see any pictures but the built in engine analyzers on Navy SP2H's
would show a normal pattern after a few seconds of ADI at 1000 RPM and the
mag check would be with in limits.
I also installed an after market Water injection system on a 66 Mustang and a
65 GMC with a Chiv 327. Both systems worked well and allowed me to burn the
70's garbage gas. If the vehicle will be exposed to freezing weather then
methanol, ethanol or isopropyl alcohol must be added, appropriately for
freeze prevention

Hang in there!
Dick USN (NAC) (RET)
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:11:57 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Rear Wheel HP

Gross horsepower and torque ratings are usually taken at the flywheel.

Net horsepower and torque ratings are commonly taken at the flywheel,
transmission output shaft, or rear wheels, depending on the specific
information desired by the engineer.

Gross torque refers to the amount of kinetic energy generated by an engine
or motor, i.e, how hard the sucker twists with no ancillaries (alternator,
water pump, etc.) hooked up.

Net torque refers to the amount of kinetic energy generated by an engine or
motr with all the ancillaries hooked up. Note that the state of charge of
your battery can affect the net torque output of an engine, but the gross
torque output will remain unchanged. Can you figure out why?

Horsepower is calculated with a ratio of torque and engine rpm, but since I
just finished a Christmas party with 124 kindergartners the exact formula is
unrecallable at this time. A little help, please, Phred?

Ken
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:16:30 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Manifold

>I am having a heck of a time finding a good exhaust manifold for my 87 302
>here in Boise Idaho. Does anybody live in this are that may have one for
>sale.
>
>Thanks
>Kevin
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There are no good exhaust manifolds for 302s. Switch to headers. Mustang GT
headers will clear automatics and can be picked up for $25 around here. A
pair each of high flow communistic converters and turbo mufflers from
JCWhitney, a little exhaust tubing, and you are in business, for less than
than cost of a new OEM manifold, which is just going to ctack again, anyway.
Doug Thorley and Hooker both make headers that fit well, also.

Ken

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:26:05 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - towing

>Does anyone know if I need to do anything special to the
>drivetrain of a manual trans F150 for towing?
>
>'89, 5.0L, 4 spd OD, 3.55 rear, split drive shaft. The clutch
>and rear end are new.
>
>Already have a frame hitch on it.
>
>Max Cottrell
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Max,

You should be okay up to about 4000 pounds, but don't use overdrive and be
very gentle with the clutch from a standing start to protect the rear axle
and drive shafts from shock loads. With hitch load the tires will be more
heavily loaded and it will be much harder to spin them, and that initial
power applied has to go somewhere. Be especially careful with 8.8 rear
axles. I've destroyed a few with a 302 and srod 4 speed in a Bronco towing
trailers to 7500 pounds, which is why a built 9 inch is now in the Bronco.

Don't forget trailer brakes on any trailer of 2000 pounds. It's your life.

Consider an engine oil cooler with a thermostat, too, especially if you want
to run AC in the summer.

Ken
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:38:12 -0600
From: "Moore, Jimmy"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Manifold

What about for an '81 F-150. I am going to change the gasket, and double
(or triple) gasket it, because the manifolds are warped (300 I6). It has
the interlocking exhaust/intake manifold assembly, about $1000 combined from
Ford. Is there a header that can be put on mine? If so, what sort of
modifications will be needed. It has the factory assembly with the one
barrel carb.

Jim Moore
1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
Oklahoma City, OK


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>I am having a heck of a time finding a good exhaust manifold for my 87 302
>here in Boise Idaho. Does anybody live in this are that may have one for
>sale.
>
>Thanks
>Kevin
>
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There are no good exhaust manifolds for 302s. Switch to headers. Mustang GT
headers will clear automatics and can be picked up for $25 around here. A
pair each of high flow communistic converters and turbo mufflers from
JCWhitney, a little exhaust tubing, and you are in business, for less than
than cost of a new OEM manifold, which is just going to ctack again, anyway.

Doug Thorley and Hooker both make headers that fit well, also.

Ken

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:54:58 -0600
From: "Moore, Jimmy"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford and Ch**y commercial

I live here in Oklahoma City, and there is a Ch**y dealer in Blanchard
(about 15-20 miles south of here) called Knipplemeyer. Their new commercial
is a Christmas jingle, and it speaks about Ford trucks. It talks about
wanting to go to the mall, but that they don't want to go in the Ford
because the motor runs hot, the tranny is shot, the brakes are shot, it's
rusted, etc. Then they go on to say something about Santa Claus left them a
brand new Ch**y, and all they had to do was decide what color they wanted.

This brings me to what I want to say. Number one, I don't appreciate other
Truck manufacturers dogging another vehicle, whether it's Ford or not. I
think it's bad advertising. I like the Ford commercials, because it talks
about what the Ford can do.

Second, it now seems to me that the people who drive Ch**y don't care about
what the truck can do, but how it looks and what pretty color they can get.
When I bought my Ford, I had the option of getting a Ch**y for the same
money, and it was a couple years newer. But I knew that Ford was a better
truck with regards to durability and life (215,000 miles on my 1981).

So I guess what I am saying is this. Ch**y cannot say anything good about
their truck, so to try and make theirs look better, they dog Ford. I guess
this is because of the long history of Ford v. Ch**y. It's fine for us to
say something to one another about driving the Ch**y or the GMC (Generically
Made Ch**y). I do with my stepdad all the time because he drives a '95
Ch**y and has problems with it all the time (had to change timing chain
twice this year). But when a truck dealer makes it personal, it's not cool.

Jim Moore
1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
Oklahoma City, OK


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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:00:04 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - differance between C6 and C4

>
>Early Broncos with automatics were all C4s and some of them (including
>mine) put out a lot of power. My C4 was the only automatic I ever rebuilt
>and it came out perfect. I like them because they are small and compact and
>easy to work on.
>
>Blake

Blake,

I've seen 460 Mustangs and Mavericks with C4s. The physically larger C6s
won't fit under the stock floorpans required for some of the dragrace
classes around here. C4s hold up well behind big blocks if rebuilt properly.
I've no idea what it takes to hook a C4 to a 460.

I agree with you that the C4 is an easy automatic to rebuild--I rebuilt the
C4s in my son's Bronco and daughter's Mustang using B&M kits and converters.
I used several sources of information to research the project first, but
I've lent the books out and can't remember the titles. They were ordered
from JC Whitney, though.

Ken

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:12:39 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Da Gas...

Les,

Alcohol is a common racing fuel--many aftermarket suppliers even build
special carbs for it. Be careful, though--since alcohol has a clear flame
your first hint the engine is on fire may be the paint bubbling on the hood.

How effective can alcohol be as a fuel? Well, go-carts with modified Briggs
5 horse lawnmower engines top 70 mph.

Is bootlegging legal in Oz?

Ken
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:16:07 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rear Wheel HP

> Horsepower is calculated with a ratio of torque and engine rpm, but since I
> just finished a Christmas party with 124 kindergartners the exact formula
is
> unrecallable at this time.
>
Ken,
There is no measurement for horse power, it is a only a mathmatical
calculation, as you know...but it is not a ratio. Torque is a measurement of
work, HP is an expression of how much work is done in how much time. The
formula is:
TORQUE MULTIPLIED BY RPM, DIVIDED BY 5252 (function for time).
Thus, at 5252 RPM HP equals torque. This is a lot easier to understand
than the expaination I first got out of a dictionary when I was a kid that
expressed 1HP as 1 horse lifting 550 pounds in 1 second.
Alex
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:20:46 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford and Ch**y commercial

Moore, Jimmy wrote:
>

> So I guess what I am saying is this. Ch**y cannot say anything good about
> their truck, so to try and make theirs look better, they dog Ford.

Guess they are desperate, as Ford outsold Ch*bbie again.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto.com/industry/ford17_19991217.htm.


OX
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:22:59 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Gas Mileage

>Anyone know what kind of gas mileage I should be
>getting with an 82 300 I-6?
>Thanks,
>Joe
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F150 300, SROD, 3.55, 2wd, L78-15, should get about 20-21 on the highway,
though I drove a company-owned swb with a bed cover that returned consistent
23.75-24 on the highway running non-stop between Miami and Tallahassee (no
mountains, mostly smooth, level 4 lane). The only option on the truck was
cruise control. A headwind would knock mileage down 2-3 mpg.

4X4, heavier duty model, automatic, bigger tires, heavy foot, load, AC,
etc. will reduce mileage.

Ken
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:31:16 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Too Much Power...

Les, are you referring to NOx? One of my Mustangs loves that stuff! A
definate kick-in-the pants (3, actually, it's a computer controlled 3-stage
system) in a 2800 pound car with 490 cubic inches painted ford Blue.

I've yet to see any NOx kit ready-to-bolt-on. Minimum rpm lockouts, line
vents, ping-sensitive ignition retard, and research are required to prevent
a millisecond of stupidity from scattering engine parts hither and yon.

Ken

>Hi Wayne ,
>Yes, the adventures in your truck have not gone un-noticed. I checked
>out your
>site and it appears we share a few common components. One of the big
>problems is,
>the scene is a little different down here and the use of 'juice' is
>considered to
>be doping. That is the main reason our Mr. V. Bray has lost the door
>slammer tin
>top world record, back to USA. He is not allowed to use the 'Juice'.
>Well, not as
>much as you are allowed under your rules.
>I just want to see them to do a dope test on LPG - I'll just take a
>sample out of
>this tank... Damn it, it disappeared!! I'll try that again, Hey Dick,
>Have you got
>a match, I can't see a damn thing under here!! ...End of dope test. ...
>End of
>Dope Tester. Oh and by the way, you can 'spike' LPG. Use Genuine 110
>octane
>Propane, this is relevant in OZ. What does 'Happy Gas' look like ?
>Hmmmm.
>
>Street Racers Rule #3: Don't run it, till you know Exactly whats in it.
>... and I'm still having fun.... in a Ford.
>
>regards
>
>Les
>Lost in the Land of OZ
>
>
>FLR150 aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 12/9/99 5:16:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > lesw cyber.net.au writes:
> >
> >
>'Too
> > Much
> > Power'. >>
> > Les,
> > Oh brother don't I know it. I took my 5.0 l from the mediocre at best
>185
> > rear wheel HP to a whopping 300 rwhp monster. I have pushed my 5200 LB
> > Flareside Supercab to a best of 14.4 98mph, with mostly "bolt-ons" and
>some
> > good tuning, not to mention a little bit of the "juice". And as an
>incurable
> > street racer(out every Friday and Saturday unless it rains), I make my
>share
> > of the sucker money, do to the "Work Truck" look. Have a look at my site
>and
> > tell me what you think.
>HREF="http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/index.html">Wa
> > yne's Flareside/Ford Welcome Page. I am still in the process of
>updating
> > my site to include all my new mods and PICS...but it will be all updated
> > soon. I have asked a LOT of questions and built my combo slowly and
>steadily
> > to make sure it was right.
> > Anyway....enough of my rambling
> > Later
> > Wayne Foy
> > '94 Flareside SC
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:45:04 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Landing lights & Gas gauge questions

Steve,

Factory gauges are notoriously inaccurate. A bit of corrosion at a number of
spots can even change the reading, leading one to believe there is more fuel
than there is. I always compute my fuel milage at fill-up, using the trip
meter. I know about how many miles will be on the trip meter when I need to
think about filling up.

Also, a sudden, unexplained drop in milage is a flashing warning light about
vehicle condition.

Ken

>Scott Harris...Tractor housings for landing lights are the way to go.
>They're close enough to aircraft housings to be identical, but lots
>cheaper.
>
>Flagship...you wouldn't want to use a 28v lamp in a 12v system. As far
>as sources for landing lights go, check last week's digest for "Aircraft
>Spruce & Supply", or do a web search & get a copy of their catalog.
>
>Other stuff that has me baffled...My '88 F-150's (4.9/Mazda 5-speed)
>fuel gage is about 3/8-inch past the "F" mark when either tank is full.
>Any way to adjust the needle back to around or just over the full
>mark?? I'm worried about being out of gas and the gage still showing
>1/4-full.
>
>Thanks
>
>steve in tx
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:50:37 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - glasspack

I remember people taking new glasspacks, pouring gasoline in them, then
setting them on fire. Be sure to remove the glasspacks from the truck first.

Just replace the darn things with straight pipes. May your induction run
lean and hole the pistons so that the rest of us don't have to hear the
noise you make.

Remember: glasspacks = "I really don't know a darn thing about going fast. I
just want everyone to notice me. I want to be the center of attention like a
screaming 2-year-old does."

Ken

>i want to break the glass to make it louder. i know a few other friends who
>have glasspacks and they all broke their glass.
>
>
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>>Subject: FTE 80-96 - glasspack /cobra cb - 87 ranger
>>Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:15:51 PST
>>
>>I mounted my cb under the dash right next to the fuse panel. I just had
>>enough room to do it and then put the mic holder on the side of the dash.
>>cord hangs down by transfer case stick but can still throw it in 4hi easy
>>and go to 4low too.
>>
>>Might I ask why you want to break the glass on your glasspack? Isn't that
>>the purpose of having a glasspack or are you trying to get the "muffling"
>>part out of it? if so u might as well as welded up a pipe and had it
>>straightpiped. that's what i did when i took my stock muffler out.
>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:59:47 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5 ways my truck has changed my life

Nope, he drives one of those Japanese Novas. Actually, all those extra
parking spaces are for the bigger vehicles--real men don't need close-in
handicapped parking--we toss the 7-year-old on one shoulder, her broken
electric Bigfoot on the other, and scare the h--- out of the C---y drivers.

Ken


>
>
>Date sent: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:30:56 -0500
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>From: "Theodore D.Mills"
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5 ways my truck has changed my life
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>Just a little humor for the hoildays.....
>
>
>5 ways my truck has changed my life...
>
>snip>>>
>
>4. You begin to really want to kill the person who
>designed the parking lot
>at the mall (4X4 and long wheelbase owners)
>
>snip> >>
>
>
> Yeah, who is that dumb SOB anyway? Must drive a
>yugo or some other kind of suppository
>
> Jim Flinchbaugh 87 F150 ex cab,5.0 EFI 4x4 4speed
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:03:13 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Rear Wheel HP

Dynoes do not measure horsepower. Dynoes measure torque. Horsepower is
computed--a ratio of rpm and torque. Heavier wheels and tires take more
torque to turn. Net, less torque going to the ground. When was the last time
you saw a rail with steel wheels? there are many other factors, such as the
adhesive property of rubber, but lets not get things too confusing.

Ken

>OK, I'll admit the last time I used a dyno was back when Richard Nixon was
>still a common name in the news. And it was an engine dyno at that. So,
>for
>the moment, let me re-phrase my statement to say that "crankshaft"
>horsepower
>has nothing to do with tires, gearing etc.
>
>Now, tell me more about how tires and gearing affect "rear wheel"
>horsepower.
>Is it predictable? How is this knowledge used in practice? It seems to me
>that this can only occur as a result of minimizing the losses in the
>drivetrain (which is admittedly useful but has nothing to do with the
>engine).
>
> Alan Fanning
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:09:25 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE: 80-96 4WD and mileage

>This is a two part posting.
>1. Is there anything wrong with leaving your hubs engaged during the
>winter?

No, other than you will get increased wear of the front driveline components
and a bit lower gas milage. I know people who NEVER unlock the hubs.

>2. 89' F250 ext cab long box 4WD 351W C6, stock size 16" tires, fuel
>injected. 68000 original miles. Around town I am getting 10mpg, is this
>excessivelly low?

No.

Ken
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:18:24 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Manifold

Jim,

Any decent automotive machine shop should be able to grid your manifold and
or cylinder head so that a single gasket will seal. If the manifold and/or
head is too far warped to be reground, something is bad wrong. A 302 head
can be done (intake/exhaust/block) for $20 here.

Ken

>What about for an '81 F-150. I am going to change the gasket, and double
>(or triple) gasket it, because the manifolds are warped (300 I6). It has
>the interlocking exhaust/intake manifold assembly, about $1000 combined
>from
>Ford. Is there a header that can be put on mine? If so, what sort of
>modifications will be needed. It has the factory assembly with the one
>barrel carb.
>
>Jim Moore
>1981 Ford F-150 300 Six
>Oklahoma City, OK
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ken haley [mailto:teacherdad hotmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 11:17 AM
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Manifold
>
>
> >I am having a heck of a time finding a good exhaust manifold for my 87
>302
> >here in Boise Idaho. Does anybody live in this are that may have one for
> >sale.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Kevin
> >
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>There are no good exhaust manifolds for 302s. Switch to headers. Mustang GT
>headers will clear automatics and can be picked up for $25 around here. A
>pair each of high flow communistic converters and turbo mufflers from
>JCWhitney, a little exhaust tubing, and you are in business, for less than
>than cost of a new OEM manifold, which is just going to ctack again,
>anyway.
>
>Doug Thorley and Hooker both make headers that fit well, also.
>
>Ken
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:20:46 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford and Ch**y commercial

... and again.


...and again.

>Moore, Jimmy wrote:
> >
>
> > So I guess what I am saying is this. Ch**y cannot say anything good
>about
> > their truck, so to try and make theirs look better, they dog Ford.
>
> Guess they are desperate, as Ford outsold Ch*bbie again.
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto.com/industry/ford17_19991217.htm.
>
>
> OX
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:30:29 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rear Wheel HP

Alex,

I knew I could depend on someone on this list to come up with the ratio. :)

TORQUE MULTIPLIED BY RPM, DIVIDED BY 5252 (function for time).

(torque X rpm) / 5252 to ? horsepower

Yup, that ratio looks familiar. Aren't mathematical semantics fun? Did you
know fractions are thinly disguised division? So are ratios.

((torque X rpm) / 5252) / ? horsepower

(torque X rpm) X (? horsepower X 5252)

And parents wonder why they can't understand their 4th grader's math
homework.

heeheehee :)

Ken, who will be teaching 4th grade math and 7th-8th grade science next
semester.

> > Horsepower is calculated with a ratio of torque and engine rpm, but
>since I
> > just finished a Christmas party with 124 kindergartners the exact
>formula
>is
> > unrecallable at this time.
> >
>Ken,
> There is no measurement for horse power, it is a only a mathmatical
>calculation, as you know...but it is not a ratio. Torque is a measurement
>of
>work, HP is an expression of how much work is done in how much time. The
>formula is:
>TORQUE MULTIPLIED BY RPM, DIVIDED BY 5252 (function for time).
> Thus, at 5252 RPM HP equals torque. This is a lot easier to understand
>than the expaination I first got out of a dictionary when I was a kid that
>expressed 1HP as 1 horse lifting 550 pounds in 1 second.
>Alex
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:42:14 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE: 80-96 4WD and mileage

ken haley wrote:
>
> >This is a two part posting.
> >1. Is there anything wrong with leaving your hubs engaged during the
> >winter?
>
> No, other than you will get increased wear of the front driveline components
> and a bit lower gas milage. I know people who NEVER unlock the hubs.
>

The only reason I would personally not do it is I hate changing axle
(diff) seals. They are a pain in the butt to get too and naaaturally,
you are going to shorten their life with running the front gear.
Speaking of which, has anyone swapped to manuals hubs on a dana 50 and
still have a decent set of auto's left over. I was thinking of putting
in auto's. No rants on how much auto's suck please :-).

> >2. 89' F250 ext cab long box 4WD 351W C6, stock size 16" tires, fuel
> >injected. 68000 original miles. Around town I am getting 10mpg, is this
> >excessivelly low?

Guess I shouldn't complain as I'm getting that with the same truck and
a 460.

OX
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:03:36 -0500
From: Rich
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: 302 knock

I have a 96 F150 with the 302,it has about 79k on it. When sitting
idle after it is warmed up, it sounds like something is knocking in the
bottom end of the engine. sometimes it does this and sometimes it
doesn't. I am using 10w30 like the manual says to. However, I have never
heard of a bottom end of a 302 giving anyone problems.
Rich
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:20:55 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Water Injection

Hi Dick,
Great to hear from you, and at the risk of sounding like an idiot, what the hell
is a 'pretakeoff mag check, adi, & sp2h' and do I have one on my Ford truck?
;-))

Regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


ADCSRWS aol.com wrote:

> Guys,
> In the old days, (When aircraft had connrods) Water injection was used
> frequently to clean up an engine that wouldn'd pass a pre takeoff mag check.
> I never did see any pictures but the built in engine analyzers on Navy SP2H's
> would show a normal pattern after a few seconds of ADI at 1000 RPM and the
> mag check would be with in limits.
> I also installed an after market Water injection system on a 66 Mustang and a
> 65 GMC with a Chiv 327. Both systems worked well and allowed me to burn the
> 70's garbage gas. If the vehicle will be exposed to freezing weather then
> methanol, ethanol or isopropyl alcohol must be added, appropriately for
> freeze prevention
>
> Hang in there!
> Dick USN (NAC) (RET)
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:26:22 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Da Gas...

Ken,
As big as this country is, 'bootlegging' alcohol is not legal, Customs & Excise
demand their cut of the 'alcohol dollar'. That's not to say it doesn't or
hasn't been done. Probably a historical thing, going right back 200 years, when
rum was used as 'currency'. ( So endith the history lesson!!;-) before I get
myself into too much trouble....)
I haven't had a lot to do with alcohol based fuels apart from one tintop sedan
many years ago, replacing all the petrol lines, with 'real big' plumbing, to
solve a starvation problem. It ain't the most economical of fuels, but the 'bang
for the buck' value seems to be good.

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ

ken haley wrote:

> Les,
>
> Alcohol is a common racing fuel--many aftermarket suppliers even build
> special carbs for it. Be careful, though--since alcohol has a clear flame
> your first hint the engine is on fire may be the paint bubbling on the hood.
>
> How effective can alcohol be as a fuel? Well, go-carts with modified Briggs
> 5 horse lawnmower engines top 70 mph.
>
> Is bootlegging legal in Oz?
>
> Ken
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:33:34 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 302 knock

Rich,
3 words...Chronic Piston Slap. I have a 94 5.0 and I also race it. My truck
has done this since I bought it 2 years ago. I have done MAJOR mods to it and
also run N2O on it. I have yet to have any breakage of the bottom end and my
truck STILL does this. I have tried using all types and kinds of oil, from
full race synthetic to blends, different weights, and still no change.
According to a buddy in the machine division at FOMOCO, it was a common
problem due to the machining tolerances they had programmed into the machines
at the factory," Some came out a little looser than others". I guess unless
you want to do a complete teardown and rebuild...we gotta live with it.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Subject: FTE 80-96 - Free shipping on the web site

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:05:27 EST
From: PSales264 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Water Injection

that was a check done on the gasoline burning recip engines, they didn't use
coils for spark they used magnetos each engine had 2 complete sets of mags
and ignitions. they would run on both at once. the check was to make sure
each system was working fully, so the engines were advanced to a set r.p.m.
and one at a time one side was shut off, the back on .any more than 150
r.p.m. drop and it was bad then the other side was checked the same way.If a
cleanup run didn't take care of it the plane didn't go .and was returned for
engine work. In the larger engines 3350 CI or 4360ci 28 cylinders, 4 banks of
7cylinders per engine, the water injection was called ADI -anti-detonation
injection, (water & isopropyl alcohol ). it was sprayed into the cyl. just at
the right time to cool off the combustion chamber to prevent detonation of
the incoming fuel-air mixture. That would insure full power. Later in the
early jet engines on the B-52 & KC 135 tankers (same basic acft as the 707) a
water mixture was sprayed into the hot section, it would turn into steam thus
increasing the internal pressure increasing the jet thrust. hope I have
helped, hope my memory worked well enough to get it right. Phil
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:54:19 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Da Gas...

>Les,
>
>Alcohol is a common racing fuel--many aftermarket suppliers even build
>special carbs for it. Be careful, though--since alcohol has a clear flame
>your first hint the engine is on fire may be the paint bubbling on the hood.
>
>How effective can alcohol be as a fuel? Well, go-carts with modified Briggs
>5 horse lawnmower engines top 70 mph.
>
>Is bootlegging legal in Oz?

Well I run 3 stills for a living, but so far can't convince the boss to let
us run some 'shine.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:33:58 EST
From: LGRanch aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 302 knock

Boy are you incorrect. The bottom end of a 302 can give lots of problems.
Mine snapped the crank in two just behind the front journal. The truck ran
for about 100 miles with a heavy knock. Then at 60 mph it broke. The truck
kept running for 12 more miles.

The local machine shop said it happens all the time due to the firing order.
I do know that Ford changed the firing order in their mustangs because of the
problem.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:07:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - differance between C6 and C4

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, ken haley wrote:
> I've no idea what it takes to hook a C4 to a 460.

Neither do I, but these people certainly do:

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