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80-96-list-digest Wednesday, December 15 1999 Volume 03 : Number 354



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Faded Door Panels
Re: FTE 80-96 - Faded Door Panels
FTE 80-96 - Re: GAS MILEAGE
FTE 80-96 - Re: Rear Wheel HP on '89 F-150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Rear Wheel HP on '89 F-150
FTE 80-96 - A/C Landing Lights
RE: FTE 80-96 - Here We Go Again
FTE 80-96 - Landing lights & Gas gauge questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Here We Go Again
RE: FTE 80-96 - Landing lights & Gas gauge questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - glasspack
Re: FTE 80-96 - glasspack
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Rear Wheel HP on '89 F-150
FTE 80-96 - is my truck running too hot?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Faded Door Panels
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 swap
FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Milage
FTE 80-96 - new to list
Re: FTE 80-96 - Faded Door Panels
FTE 80-96 - RE: Gas Mileage 300 I-6
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hello OZ members!!
FTE 80-96 - 5 ways my truck has changed my life

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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:16:57 EST
From: MRStace84 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Faded Door Panels

Hello List,

Over the years, the door panels on my 84 F150 have become faded and looking
rather bad, while the dash still looks really good. I guess I've take better
care of it. Anyway do any of you folks know of anything that can be used to
restore the color such as some sort of platic dye or something like that. My
door panels are the light brown color. Thanks alot.

Stacy

84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:36:58 EST
From: BanksRVA aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Faded Door Panels

Stacy,
I redid the dash and door panels in my truck about 6 months ago. I primed it
with Krylon primer and painted it flat black. After that,
I lighty sprayed it with a clear satin finish to give it a little bit of
shine. It's not showroom condition but looks a lot better than the faded
light blue that was in there. As far as durability goes, the paint job has
withstood the repeated kicks from the feet of a seven year old. Good luck.
Joe
82 F100
Flareside
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:50:11 EST
From: Awfanning aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: GAS MILEAGE

In a message dated 12/14/99 4:11:04 AM,
owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:


From: BanksRVA aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:Gas Mileage

Anyone know what kind of gas mileage I should be
getting with an 82 300 I-6?
Thanks,
Joe >>

Clearly it will depend on thetype of driving you do as well as transmission
and gearing of your particular truck. On my '82 F-150 SuperCab, w/ short bed,
2.73 rear axle and 4 spd OD manual trans, I could average close to 20 mpg at
55 mph on level terrain when it was younger. Now, at 195k, it gets close to
14 mpg around town.

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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:52:59 EST
From: Awfanning aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Rear Wheel HP on '89 F-150

Your HP will be determined by the engine you have and the rpm at which it is
tested. It has nothing to do with tire size, gearing, etc., other than an
auto trans will siphon off somewhat more of the "net" HP than a manual does
before delivering it to the rear wheels.

Alan Fanning

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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:58:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Rear Wheel HP on '89 F-150

Ever played with a dyno? Nope, I didn't ya had.


On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 Awfanning aol.com wrote:
> Your HP will be determined by the engine you have and the rpm at which
> it is tested. It has nothing to do with tire size, gearing, etc.,
> other than an auto trans will siphon off somewhat more of the "net" HP
> than a manual does before delivering it to the rear wheels.

- --
Ken Woods
kwoods kens.com
"Don't speak unless you know what you're talking about."


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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:09:53 -0500
From: "Phil Maher"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - A/C Landing Lights

www.trade-a-plane.com/ Q4509, 100 watts, 140,000 candlepower, approx.
useful life 100 hours, 12 volts.For the brightest A/C lights look into what
is used on agriculture spraying aircraft , for night spraying.Personally as
an aircraft mechanic, if I were looking to add driving lights to my vehicle
I would go with automotive driving lights.Generally speaking, aircraft
sealed beams are: expensive, short lived, use out dated designs, and are not
readily available at your local parts counter. GE has a catalog listing ,
volts, watts , approx. candlepower etc, etc. If I had a scanner I could post
it, but I don't have a scanner. Perhaps a search or request to GE for specs.
on aircraft landing lamps could produce.Phil


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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:19:35 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Here We Go Again

A blown head gasket wouldn't stop the fast idle on a cold start up. The
engine runs fine when warm, it just doesn't "feel right". This is because
the ECU doesn't know how hot the engine is, and it's not running the engine
efficiently. You probably have a slight loss in HP and a decrease in your
gas mileage. This could possibly be the part that does not feel right.

A compression test is a good thing to do. It will tell you the condition of
your engine, and if it is able to run well.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of ben gerhold
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 1:31 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Here We Go Again
>
>
> What you need to do first is run a compression test. If you lost
> compression in any cylinders, its probably a blown head gasket or
> a cracked
> head. If the compression test does not reveal anything, then check for a
> vacuum leak, or see if any lines are hooked up wrong. If you can't find
> anything put it in the shop and for like $50 bucks they'll tell you what's
> wrong.
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:41:22 -0600
From: deis0 attglobal.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Landing lights & Gas gauge questions

Scott Harris...Tractor housings for landing lights are the way to go.
They're close enough to aircraft housings to be identical, but lots
cheaper.

Flagship...you wouldn't want to use a 28v lamp in a 12v system. As far
as sources for landing lights go, check last week's digest for "Aircraft
Spruce & Supply", or do a web search & get a copy of their catalog.

Other stuff that has me baffled...My '88 F-150's (4.9/Mazda 5-speed)
fuel gage is about 3/8-inch past the "F" mark when either tank is full.
Any way to adjust the needle back to around or just over the full
mark?? I'm worried about being out of gas and the gage still showing
1/4-full.

Thanks

steve in tx
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:44:30 -0500
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Here We Go Again

Right On! A slight loss in HP (seems like a lot in a 300) and poor gas
mileage (well 11.6 vs. the 13-14 that others report).
The temperature sensor is the one in the coolant line, correct?

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA


- -----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Reed
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 10:23 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Here We Go Again


>A blown head gasket wouldn't stop the fast idle on a cold start up. The
>engine runs fine when warm, it just doesn't "feel right". This is because
>the ECU doesn't know how hot the engine is, and it's not running the engine
>efficiently. You probably have a slight loss in HP and a decrease in your
>gas mileage. This could possibly be the part that does not feel right.
>
>A compression test is a good thing to do. It will tell you the condition
of
>your engine, and if it is able to run well.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of ben gerhold
>> Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 1:31 PM
>> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Here We Go Again
>>
>>
>> What you need to do first is run a compression test. If you lost
>> compression in any cylinders, its probably a blown head gasket or
>> a cracked
>> head. If the compression test does not reveal anything, then check for a
>> vacuum leak, or see if any lines are hooked up wrong. If you can't find
>> anything put it in the shop and for like $50 bucks they'll tell you
what's
>> wrong.
>>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:57:57 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Landing lights & Gas gauge questions

To adjust your gas gauge there are two ways.

1. Take the sending units out of the gas tanks and bend the rod attached to
the float accordingly.

2. Go to radio shack and get a variable resistor (has a knob to adjust the
resistance), and hook it up in line with the fuel gauge. Run each tank
empty (one at a time), and adjust the resistance so the gauge rests on or
just below the EMPTY mark on your dash.

If you do #2, you should change your fuel filter afterwards because sediment
might slightly clog your current one.

I can get you more info on part numbers if you need it.

Kevin Reed
86 F150 302

Ontario, Canada.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of
> deis0 attglobal.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 10:41 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Landing lights & Gas gauge questions
>
>
> Scott Harris...Tractor housings for landing lights are the way to go.
> They're close enough to aircraft housings to be identical, but lots
> cheaper.
>
> Flagship...you wouldn't want to use a 28v lamp in a 12v system. As far
> as sources for landing lights go, check last week's digest for "Aircraft
> Spruce & Supply", or do a web search & get a copy of their catalog.
>
> Other stuff that has me baffled...My '88 F-150's (4.9/Mazda 5-speed)
> fuel gage is about 3/8-inch past the "F" mark when either tank is full.
> Any way to adjust the needle back to around or just over the full
> mark?? I'm worried about being out of gas and the gage still showing
> 1/4-full.
>
> Thanks
>
> steve in tx
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:54:42 -0600 (CST)
From: DTrowbridge webtv.net (David Trowbridge)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Gas Mileage

the previuois owner of my 85 F-150 said he would get 16mpg no matter how
he drove it. when i brought it home, i drove about 40 miles and used
about an 1/8th of a tank of gas.

David
85 F-150 300 I6

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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:46:14 PST
From: "Red Smiley Face"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - glasspack

i want to break the glass to make it louder. i know a few other friends who
have glasspacks and they all broke their glass.


>From: 2insane excite.com
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>Subject: FTE 80-96 - glasspack /cobra cb - 87 ranger
>Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:15:51 PST
>
>I mounted my cb under the dash right next to the fuse panel. I just had
>enough room to do it and then put the mic holder on the side of the dash.
>cord hangs down by transfer case stick but can still throw it in 4hi easy
>and go to 4low too.
>
>Might I ask why you want to break the glass on your glasspack? Isn't that
>the purpose of having a glasspack or are you trying to get the "muffling"
>part out of it? if so u might as well as welded up a pipe and had it
>straightpiped. that's what i did when i took my stock muffler out.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:40:24 -0500
From: "Kyle Goley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - glasspack

I broke the glasspacks on my '88 F-150 4X4, and its awesome. Run the truck
for awile, then shut it off and spray water up the pipes. You may have to do
it 3 or 4 times to break the glass. Make sure the packs are good and hot
when you spray the water in. And after you spray the water in run the truck
kinda hard for awile to help break the packs. Its sweet when they break, let
me tell you!

Kyle
'88 F-150 4X4

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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:07:09 -0800
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Rear Wheel HP on '89 F-150

That idea (that gearing/tire diameter doesn't matter) sounds great in theory
but is dead wrong in practice. Not only have I seen this effect in person
when I was working tuning a project car on a Clayton chassis dyno, but I can
produce a handful of magazines that have shown differences in recorded
drivewheel power on a chassis dynamometer with only a change in
wheels/tires. Every part of the driveline makes a difference in what is seen
at the tire contact patch.

Rob
'90 Bronco
'93 PGT

> Your HP will be determined by the engine you have and the rpm at which it is
> tested. It has nothing to do with tire size, gearing, etc., other than an
> auto trans will siphon off somewhat more of the "net" HP than a manual does
> before delivering it to the rear wheels.

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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:49:57 -0600 (CST)
From: DTrowbridge webtv.net (David Trowbridge)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - is my truck running too hot?

ok guys, today was the first real day i have been able to drive my truck
since i bought it. i noticed that the tempurature was higher than what
i am used to. this is how my temp gauge looks;

C\ normal /H

if i sit or drive the temp stays between the r and the l once it gets
warmed up, but it never goes lower or higher. my step brother(the last
owner) severely overheated the truck and when the new motor was put in,
the temp sensor was reused. could it just be the sensor is bad, or is
it normal to run this warm?

David
85 F-150 300 I6

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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:02:47 PST
From: "barry mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Faded Door Panels

Hey could this method work on the dash pad a nd possibly a vinel seat????
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:10:39 -0800
From: John Elgin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 swap

I can't speak for others experiences, but I replaced the tired old 302 in my
81 F-150 with one from an 84 T-bird and it has run fine. I did not swap over
the fuel injection but stayed with a carb and it has more pep than ever
before. Best of luck!

Jerome Kelly wrote:

> I need a 302 for my 1987. It has a C6 and has been a good truck. Some
> people tell
> me not to use a mustang or other car motor in the truck. I can get some
> good
> deals on these motors and they have more horsepower. It is
> Christmas time
> and my funds are low. I need to get my
> truck fixed. Can someone tell me if they
> work ok in trucks and what years I can use. Thanks for all the help I
> have gotten
> in here this past year.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://community.webtv.net/DBblueboy/DayBreakblueboyblue
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:16:34 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Milage

Hello:

What are you guys doing with yer sixes to get such miserable mileage? The
BEST I have done so far with a 300 six is 21 MPG with one in a 1980 F-150
with a 3 on the tree..The worse I have done on a 300 six is 14 MPG in a '84
F-150 with a million miles and a C-4. The worse truck I have ever had
period for gas mileage is a '74 International 3/4 ton 4X4 with a 345 V8 and
automatic.

300sixes rule!!!

Chris "Lube" Lublin
lublin tir.com



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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:29:24 -0800
From: "Isaac Godsey"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - new to list

I'm Isaac Godsey. I'm a Junior in High School from Delano, California.
It's about 30 miles north of Bakersfield. I have an 88 ford f-150 with a
straight 6 300 ci.
I'm thinking about doing the following things to it: raise it 2", put
some bigger wheels, paint it jet black, put show bars, and put steps. Maybe
even put new upholstery and a console in the interior.
I'm glad to be on the list. Later, Isaac "Godzilla" Godsey #76 DT

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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:40:57 EST
From: BanksRVA aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Faded Door Panels

I primed and painted my sun visors also and they have been fine, no cracking.
A seat? Well I don't know, it could work! I just put on a cheap plain black
seat cover cause my seat was ripped.
Joe 82 Flareside
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:18:22 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Gas Mileage 300 I-6

Prior to this '92 I drive we had an 88 F-150 Supercab shortbed 300 I-6 with
a Mazda 5 speed. On a Road trip from Texas to Pennsylvania and back... with
the bed stuffed with a GSXR 750 Racebike and all equipment to go with it...
not that much weight wise but bulky... we got an honest 20mpg a couple
times. 400 miles on 20 gallons. It was doing 14 - 15 mpg when we sold it.
My '92 SC swb 302 E4OD has broken 14 only a couple times.... 12-13 is
common. However this truck weighs darn near 6000 pounds with me in it, and
that asks a LOT from that 302!!!

Your Mileage may vary!!!

Dave H.
Houston
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:49:04 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hello OZ members!!

Hi Phred,

I don't know if you have run across this yet but the GM commodor (A
Compact
Chev*) is producing a factory fitted LPG install in conjunction with
Impco (I
think) and from what I can gather, it looks more like a hybrid system.
Even when
you select to run on LPG, petrol is used for starting and if you give it
the big
message (full throttle) extra petrol is thrown in on top of the LPG. I
realize
there is some smart computer work going here, & GM are claiming
proprietry
rights on the Program Roms etc, but I am curious as to know what timing
curve
would likley to be used in this case? Petrol or LPG ? or draw a line in
the sand
about half way??

ULP is UnLeaded Petrol. suppose to be 92 octane (??)
LPG is Propane, BUT the BIG difference is our LPG has an octane rating
of about
90-95 on a good day. Your Propane is suppose to be 110 octane rating.
Since this
is an American Based site, I tend to use the term 'Propane'.

The design plans for this 460bb transplant are still being developed on
the back
of drink coasters, in the pub, so every thing is still pretty fluid
(HaHa). But
for the Propane system, I'm sorry Phred, But We do need 4 vaporizers,
It'll look
awesome.... It'll frighten the kiddies in their kiddie kars..... Wayne
knows
what I mean..... won't probably actually Use them, but we Need
them......;-))
There is a difference....

163K Miles on the original Petrol Filter ??? Wow, Sounds like my Old
Folks,
Complain about the filter eventually blocking up, so he would ram a
screwdriver
thru the guts of the thing and reuse. Won't block now!! Then complain
about the
crappy Carby, because it keeps blocking up!! There is some %$# logic
here. Now,
I'm damn sure everbody on this list has a relative that has done
something like
this. Or as Skippy would say Tsk, Tsk, Tsk !!

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ

Fred Moreno wrote:

> Yeah, you got that right. Imagine a fuel injector rail full of gasoline at
> 40 psi on top of an running engine for a few hours. Hot restarts all day
> long. Thank god the gasoline recirculates through the tank. This is why I
> will start my truck on gasoline occasionally to flow the injector for a
> minute or so. But I don't know if I have a gummed up injector, but over the
> week-end I ran two tanks of petrol. I did noticed that my oxygen sensor
> still shows cross-counts fine on gasoline under all driving conditions
> except under heavy load where I would not want to see these cross-counts. So
> I guess my injectors are good. BTW, I just remembered that I still have the
> factory fuel filter with +163K miles!!!
>
>
> With propane fuel systems the hardened valve seats are not an option,
> because if you don't have them now, you will soon, especially if your timing
> is retarded when using propane. Most modern engines have seats that work
> well with propane as long as the engine's fuel delivery is managing well.

>
> Hey you don't need 4 vaporizers on this application!!!
> My partner has a '98 GM 454 Crew Cab 4X4 with two IMPCO 425 mixers being
> supplied by one Model E vaporizer and I have personally driven this truck
> turning close to 4000 RPM (okay so I WAS driving a GM, but look, I was
> trying to break it!) Never once did this engine go lean when our fuel
> controller and his system was set-up to stay rich under medium to heavy
> load.
> And your OHG (Over-the-Hill-Gang) vaporizer flows better than IMPCO or
> Nolff. One vaporizer for each one of your mixers is more than adequate.
> Don't tell me you anticipate going lean with only two vaporizers supplying
> the fuel even with a big block 460. And Skippy the Kangaroo was just an
> overfed Texas Jackrabbit with an attitude.
>
>
> Jose & Susan Ozorio wrote:
>
> > Hi from the land downunder.
> > I have a '90 F150 XLT 4x4 (351w EFI) (C6 Auto) with dual fuel
> installed. By
> > my calculations I am getting 5.5 Km/L on ULP and 4.3 Km/L on LPG.
> Power is
> > also down somewhat on gas, although I really only notice the
> difference at
> > highway speeds when in the hills. The vehicle is fitted with
> 35x12.5x15 BFG
> > AT's and is somewhat over geared for hills.
>
> Phred replies;
>
> Are you using the same timing curve for both fuels even though each fuel
> has different characteristics? We have products that allow the usuage of the
> factory timing curve for gasoline and generate a modified timing curve when
> using propane. Are you using an IMPCO system or something similar? Excuse my
> ignorance but what is ULP and LPG?
>
> > Another item that needs to be addressed with a propane
> installation is lack
> > of lube for the valve guides when on gas. As the gas is so dry, an
> upper
> > cylinder lube injection unit should also be fitted.
>
> Phred replies;
>
> I am not sure about this issue, I will definetly look into it. Must call
> the propane God's on this one...But over here in the US and Canada, I am not
> familiar with this being an issue, not to claim I know it all.
> But without the device you mention and 163K miles on my '95 5.0L and
> thousands of other converted vehicles, I am not sure how critical this is.
> Maybe this is something for Cheby engines instead?
>
> One of these units
> > meters UCL at an adjustable rate into the inlet manifold via one
> of the
> > vacuum ports. This serves the similar situation as adding fuel
> additives /
> > cleaners to the petrol tanks. Even though a UCL injection unit
> will continue
> > to add oil and lube the valves when on petrol, it wont clean the
> injectors.
>
> Phred asks;
>
> How much did you pay for this device? I am interested in its performance and
> claims. Do you have a connection where I could get information?
> >
> > Jose
> >
> > Cairns, Queensland Australia
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:30:56 -0500
From: "Theodore D.Mills"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5 ways my truck has changed my life

Just a little humor for the hoildays.....

Having recently aquired a 91 F-250 SC 4X4 I had some thoughts that most of
the list members could relate to.....


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