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80-96-list-digest Tuesday, December 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 346



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Aircraft Landing lamps
FTE 80-96 - Turn signals
Re: FTE 80-96 - Turn signals
Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS Diag Connector
FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing
FTE 80-96 - What do I want?
Re: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing
Re: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?
Re: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?
Re: FTE 80-96 - U-joint replacement
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Clear tail light lenses
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Rear spitting fluid
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Vaccuum line's
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
Re: [Re: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?]
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?
FTE 80-96 - Truck Humor
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine Heaters?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Truck Humor
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
RE: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?
FTE 80-96 - Vaccuum line's
RE: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?
FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
Re: FTE 80-96 - Aircraft Landing lamps
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
RE: FTE 80-96 - ABS Diag Connector
Re: FTE 80-96 - Turn signals
FTE 80-96 - Front-mounted 2" receiver mounted
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Aircraft Landing lamps
RE: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:36:09 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Aircraft Landing lamps

Wayne F. writes: >>Where do you get aircraft landing lights from? They
sell them over the
counter?

Haven't used them in years, but when I had a '61 Starliner I bought a set
of GE Aircraft Landing lamps from the local aircraft repair shop at the
small airport here.(we have a FFA certified mechanic/Pilot that runs the
shop) They were round and had two (2) prongs just like High beam lamps in
a quad (4) front headlamp arrangement. I removed the original High beams
and inserted the GE Landing lamps in their place. I was checked a few
times and told that they were not legal by the locals, but never ticketed.
They were very bright, but I don't know the wattage.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 07:37:02 -0700
From: "Davies, Don"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Turn signals

The turn signals and emergency signals on my '95 Bronco stopped working - I
checked the signals fuse and it's OK - has anyone had this problem ?
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 08:47:13 -0600
From: Andy Norris
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Turn signals

Probably the flash unit.

At 07:37 AM 12/7/99 -0700, you wrote:
>The turn signals and emergency signals on my '95 Bronco stopped working - I
>checked the signals fuse and it's OK - has anyone had this problem ?
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:52:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Lanero excite.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS Diag Connector

I know on my '89, the test connector hangs just to the left of the clutch
pedal assembly. (Thats the connector to pull the codes from the RABS.)
There is another connector under the MC that is hooked up to the sensor in
the diff.


On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 19:34:07 PST, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:

> Hey guys,
> I looked on the drivers side fender well and there is no diagnostic
> connector there for an RABSII system, the RABSII module is behind the
glove
> box, the Haynes manuel says the diag connector is next to it, the only
wires
> I find is the harness to the module itself, does anyone have any Idea
where
> in world it is?
>
>
> Chris Worley
> Waxahachie, TX
> 67 F100 352
> 93 F150 351
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:04:44 EST
From: BanksRVA aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing

Ok folks, this one has me completely puzzled. I am TRYING to set the timing
on my 82 F100 300 I-6. So I highlight the timing marks and start using the
timing light.
The timing mark can't be found with the light. After an hour I get the
brilliant idea to see where it is. It's at the bottom of the engine, right at
6:00. So I hook the light up
for fun to the #6 plug wire and guess what? The timing mark appears. Can
someone please tell me what the hell is going on here.
Thank You,
Joe 82 F100 300 I-6 Flareside named "Lucy"
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 16:16:54 GMT
From: "Hummer Luvver"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?

I'm one of those irritating people that can never think of anything that
they want for Christmas, but of course, I've got bunches of friends and
relatives asking me. I figure I might as well get some stuff for my truck.
Does anyone have any accessories that they absolutely just love? Nothing
like a new exhaust system or anything. Just some resonably priced
accessory. I've got an '88 F-150. Thanks---Nathan

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:19:40 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?

Get your windows tinted 8^>
Smeck
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Subject: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?


> I'm one of those irritating people that can never think of anything that
> they want for Christmas, but of course, I've got bunches of friends and
> relatives asking me. I figure I might as well get some stuff for my
truck.
> Does anyone have any accessories that they absolutely just love? Nothing
> like a new exhaust system or anything. Just some resonably priced
> accessory. I've got an '88 F-150. Thanks---Nathan
>
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 11:32:55 -0500
From: Martin Horne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing

Just a guess, but it sounds like your cam may be 180 degrees out. My manual
says the order is 1,5,3,6,2,4 so a 180 shift would make #6 look like #1 to
the crank. Motor would still run fine.


At 11:04 AM 12/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok folks, this one has me completely puzzled. I am TRYING to set the timing
>on my 82 F100 300 I-6. So I highlight the timing marks and start using the
>timing light.
>The timing mark can't be found with the light. After an hour I get the
>brilliant idea to see where it is. It's at the bottom of the engine, right at
>6:00. So I hook the light up
>for fun to the #6 plug wire and guess what? The timing mark appears. Can
>someone please tell me what the hell is going on here.
>Thank You,
>Joe 82 F100 300 I-6 Flareside named "Lucy"
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:37:57 -0600
From: Andy Norris
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?

How about clear taillights? ;)


My kids asked me this morning what I could use for working on the cars... I
said "more time".

Do you have:
a toolbox
2 1/2 -- 3 ton jack
Chiltons/Haynes manual
thick-gauge jumper cables
tow rope/chain(s)
12v air compressor
12v Q-beam light
sliding rear window
trouble light(s)
center console
sturdy floor mats
?

There's a short list...

Andy
'89 F250

At 04:16 PM 12/7/99 +0000, you wrote:
>I'm one of those irritating people that can never think of anything that
>they want for Christmas, but of course, I've got bunches of friends and
>relatives asking me. I figure I might as well get some stuff for my truck.
>Does anyone have any accessories that they absolutely just love? Nothing
>like a new exhaust system or anything. Just some resonably priced
>accessory. I've got an '88 F-150. Thanks---Nathan
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:50:49 -0500
From: "Kyle Goley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?

Get some ford truck decals for your truck, I have an '88 F-150 4X4 and I
have a sunvisor decal that has ford in big white letters with a ford oval on
each side. And on the back window I have a huge ford oval, they both look
awesome.

Kyle

> I'm one of those irritating people that can never think of anything that
> they want for Christmas, but of course, I've got bunches of friends and
> relatives asking me. I figure I might as well get some stuff for my
truck.
> Does anyone have any accessories that they absolutely just love? Nothing
> like a new exhaust system or anything. Just some resonably priced
> accessory. I've got an '88 F-150. Thanks---Nathan
>
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 08:56:39 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - U-joint replacement

Ken,

I use a BIG C-clamp and a selection of sockets to change U-joints. I've used
a vise and sockets in the past. Both work well.

Ken

>
>Hey all,
>
>Installed my suspension lift yesterday and today.
>Everything went well, except for the needle bearings falling out of the u
>joint on the front driveshaft. That wasn't so much fun.
>
>So, anyhow I've got the get that fixed, except I don't know (A) How to do
>it, and (B) don't know of anyplace to take it to have it done.
>
>eh, Help?
>
>I'm in Laurel, MD.
>I know that there are several of us from the Ford lists that are in the
>Baltimore/DC area, and pretty much everybody on the OCC list is, so can
>anybody offer suggestions on someplace to take the driveshaft to have the
>u-joints replaced?? That, or offer guidance and a garage and a press and
>whatever else I'm going to need??
>
>Thanks all.
>
>--
>Ken Woods
>kwoods kens.com
>'89 F-250 - www.kens.com/truckpics
>
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:25:16 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?

Blake,

I don't know exactly what "DOT pproved" means. You want to run them, run
them. The kid across the street got nailed for 55 in a 45 construction zone
($250) and 13 equipment violations at $65 each. Headlight covers, blue dots,
and red interior lights visible from in front of the vehicle. Other
equipment violations: tires extending beyond the body, cracked windshield,
spinners extending beyond the wheel, too-dark window tint, and insufficient
load capacity tires. The officer must have really known his stuff. I
understand the kid brought it on himself by sassing the officer when he was
pulled over for speeding. IMHO, the kid got what he deserved.

Ken

> >Blue is out, completely, for lights and reflectors.
> >
>
>The blue marker lights that Walmart sells say "DOT aproved" right on them.
>
>
>Blake
>Little Mountain
>Concord, Ohio
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>"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:26:34 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Clear tail light lenses

What is legal in one state may not be in another.

Ken
>
>
>I was getting my truck inspected last week. I live in Texas. While I was
>there, a guy came in w/clear taillight lenses. The inspector told him to
>go home and put the red ones back on. In Texas, the LENS has to be RED, no
>matter what color the bulb is. Just my 2 cents worth of experience.
>Bill P.
>'81 F-150
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:28:15 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Rear spitting fluid

And if this happens to a trans or case with ATF in it, you get a pink foam
ooze that looks like Strawberry Quick. Drain and refill ASAP.

Ken

>Joe, as Bob Donovan mentioned, water could have gotten in the rear axle,
>and
>be displacing the lube out your vent tube.
>
>What does the fluid look like? I had an old truck that got water in the
>rear. The gears churned the oil/water mix into an emulsion, and I had a
>brown foamy goop oozing out the vent. I expect you'd be seeing the same
>thing if water is your problem.
>
>Mark Salvetti
>1986 F150
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:42:29 -0600
From: "Dennis Thompson"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?

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To:
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Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?


> Blake,
>
> I don't know exactly what "DOT pproved" means. You want to run them, run
> them. The kid across the street got nailed for 55 in a 45 construction
zone
> ($250) and 13 equipment violations at $65 each. Headlight covers, blue
dots,
> and red interior lights visible from in front of the vehicle. Other
> equipment violations: tires extending beyond the body, cracked windshield,
> spinners extending beyond the wheel, too-dark window tint, and
insufficient
> load capacity tires. The officer must have really known his stuff. I
> understand the kid brought it on himself by sassing the officer when he
was
> pulled over for speeding. IMHO, the kid got what he deserved.

That does my heart good!
Congrats to the officer, I'm tired of seeing these ridiculous, dangerous
vehicles
with stereos you can hear for blocks being driven recklessly by worthless
little punks.
( there's a truck here in town like this with a HUGE, bright chevy neon sign
in the back window,
he can't possibly see at night with this thing on! )
Driving is a privlege not a right, follow the rules or get off the road.

SPECTRE

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:41:54 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?

Les,

High beams up to 55 watts EACH are legal. You can run 6, if you wish. If
memory serves correctly. regular tungstun sealed beams are 50 watts each,
low beams are 35 watts.

On all my Broncos I run 55/55 watt headlights. There are 4 55w driving
lights on top of the bumper. I do a lot of empty-road, night driving. I have
4 55 watt white fogs and 2 amber fogs in or under the bumper, and one on
each side for turning lights. I also have a pair of 55 watt white floods for
backups. On the big Bronco there are an additional 4 150 watt driving lights
facing forward and a pair of 150 watt floods facing sideways. I have been
known to start flipping switches when people don't dim their lights, and
have yet to need to got to the roof-tops to get my point across. The backups
are just the ticket for dorks following with their high beams on and for
tailgaters. Each set of lights has a purpose, so I never run all at once. I
don't think the alternator could handle it.

Les, you brought up a good point: aiming.

Ken

>
>ken haley wrote:
>
> >
> > Roof-mounted driving lights are illegal. Any light over 55 watts is
>illegal.
> >
> > Also, you can only operate 6 white lights from the front of a vehicle at
>the
> > same time. This means 4 headlights and a set of driving lights.
>
>So that's 55 watts X 6 = 330 watts max high beam lighting ? No seriously,
>What
>do you guys use for high beam?
>
>Geez, I'm running 740 watts over 2 headlamps and 2 driving lights on high
>beam.
>Low beam is 2x100 watts thru cibie inserts. Yes, very carefully aligned, so
>as
>not to cause trouble. But don't be silly enough to come at me on H/Beam,
>you'll
>have multiple Q.I. filaments imprinted on the back of your eye balls.
>
>regards
>
>Les
>Lost in the Land of OZ
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:49:51 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Vaccuum line's

Kevin,

You can replace these with regular vacumn line. The color-coding is for
convenience. You can color-code regular vacumn line with a short section of
colored heat shrink tubing, wrap the bundle in electrical harness stuff, and
save yourself a small fortune compared to what Ford would charge for a
replacement harness.

Ken

>I have an 87 F250 with a 302. There is a group of vacuum lines that run
>from the upper intake manifold, around the back of the engine and then to
>the "can" which I think is the reservoir for vacuum. These lines also go
>out and hook up the egr valve and several other valves. Each line is
>colored a different color, red, green, black, etc. This has become very
>brittle and is breaking. Where can I get a new harness like this? Is this
>something that I would order through the dealer? None of the wrecking
>yards
>have it because it stays on the engine when they sell it.
>
>Please help.
>
>Thank you.
>Kevin Moore
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:51:11 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

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Date: 7 Dec 99 09:53:51 PST
From: William Berninghausen
Subject: Re: [Re: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?]

> Subject: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?
> =

A few weeks ago there was an extended discussion of shelves for above the=

windshield--got one! Works great, unless you bounce around a lot. I got=
a
couple of cheap shaving kits to keep cassettes, pressure gauges, flashlig=
hts,
etc, from impacting my noggin (probably too late to matter). Great use o=
f
wasted space.

Rubbermaid and others make organizers for behind the seat--also pretty
useful.

A truck that stands out visually also says 'steal me! vandalize me!'--be
careful how you decorate your horse...

Bill in Portland

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:07:40 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?

Les,

The US automotive lighting laws are a bit behind the rest of the world. Of
course, we have rectal heads who deliberately aim their lights high just to
prove they have attitude. What can I say. Anyway, on empty roads I'm shining
660 watts, and that's nearly enough to burn the fur of a groundhog at 100
meters.

BTW, I used relays in parallel to turn the white fogs on and off with the
lows, and 1 pair of driving lights on and off with the highs, all off the
stock dimmer. The second set of driving lights can also be integrayed with
the high beams if desired, which I usually do. The amber fogs are integrated
with the parking lights, but go off when the high beams are on. The
cornering lights are integrated with the turn signals. 3-way switches and a
relay or 2 make it all work. Also, I can turn on each circuit independently.
The switch panel for all this monkey business is in the console, with the
handles projecting forward.

Ken

> That was Exactly the point I was alluding to, in bad coditions, stock
>55/60 watt
>inserts (woops... that's still over the legal top for you...) just don't
>cut it. I
>think you guys probably have worst weather conditions, on an annual basis
>than we
>do down here. Your quite right about the power draw, it has to sustainable,
>2x90ah
>alternators to 2x17 plate batteries, pretty well fixes that. Just don't
>ever, ever
>turn them all on without the motor running.
>
>regards
>Les
>Lost in the Land of OZ
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:12:53 -0500
From: "Michael R. Dunbar"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Truck Humor

This doesn't relate to much, but it's humorous, and it's about trucks, so I
thought I'd share it for a laugh. By the way, I did not write this, nor do I
have anything against any said parties, so please take no offense. Read on,
hope you enjoy this as I did!

Mike Dunbar
89 F-150 XLT Lariat
White River Jct., Vermont

"Just remember, the wheel's spinning but the hamster's dead"


The National Transportation Safety Board recently divulged a highly secret
plan they had funded with the US auto makers for the past five years. The
NTSB covertly funded a project
whereby the auto makers were installing black boxes in pick-up trucks in an
effort to determine, in fatal accidents, the circumstances in the last 15
seconds before the
crash.

They were surprised to find in 49 of the 50 states the last words of drivers
in 61.2% of fatal crashes were, "Oh, Sh*t!"

Only the state of Tennessee was different, where 89.3% of the final words
were, "Hey Y'all, watch this!"


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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:16:50 -0700
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

Don Porto writes;

Ahhh. That is the trouble with us old timers. We forget about the
newer
technologies. I never thought about the 02 sensors. I do not know
what
affect the water mist would have on them. I seem to recollect some
problems
when anti-freeze was in the water passing the o-2 sensors.

No H2O will not hurt your oxygen sensor unless the water you are using has
an extremly high lead content, which then your oxygen sensor failure will be
the least of your problems.
Another way of keeping the combustion chamber (and the entire engine for
that matter) squeeky clean is another of Grandpa's Remedies - Propane!
When I took apart my little Nissan 2.4L after 183K miles (most of it using
propane also) out of my 4X4 pick-up, my friends and I were amazed at how
clean everything was. There's no doubt in my mind that currently my 5.0L
Ford with 162K miles is also in the same condition. I fully expect my oil
will be dark brown instead of black when I change it this week-end.

Hey Les, what the heck is Chuppa Chups, Smeck and I have inquiring minds?

Awhile back I almost rear-ended one of those customized Dudge truck that
had plastic covers with some barnyard creature cut-outs (billy-goat I
think). Anyways, we were participating in the I-10 rush hour with the sun
right in our faces. I failed to notice his covered brake lights peeking
through the barn yard critter cut-outs because of the glare. Lucky for me
and him that I was not tailgaiting. Really got me mad that this fool was
partially hiding his brake lights and allowing less than half of the lens
surface area exposed. Chris, I like your idea of a TOW -2. Is that a Ford
option for 2000?
Have our scientists designed a missile that homes in on stupidity yet? Over
here it would not work because we have too many targets for it to acquire
and it would constantly lock-in on a bigger and better target.

And Danny, have you ever seen a nice fairly new Mercedes-Benz or a
Navigator with teeny tiny white wall tires? I almost cried. These are not
vehicles some high school kid is going to purchase and drive around. No sir,
adults (??) were driving these puppies, I saw them. I agree with your notion
but I call it ruining the handling, gearing and ride of a perfectly good
vehicle (and then cruisin' the freeway doing 40 mph?!), but I guess
ignorance is bliss. Take that anyway you want. Its a culture thing and I
don't see it. Are my eyes open but my mind shut? Is it me?
BTW, if you (or anybody else on the list) ever get the notion to come to
the El Paso/Las Cruces area, let me know because this is the real Mexican
food capitol of the world and I know some great places where the food is
just one culinary orgasm after another.

Phred Moreno, KD5AQB
1995 4X4, 5.0L with a 5 slotted stick with propane and radios.
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:25:22 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?

(The real clowns that hurt my eyes are the
>ones with the after-market driving lights. I don't have a problem with
>after-market lightning or factory running lights, I just don't see a need
>to
>ever have them on in town.)
Alex,

It isn't having the aftermarket lights, it is running 660 watts of
pencilbeams while driving through Sonic. Like I said before, every set of
aftermarket lights on my vehicle is there for a purpose. Each set meets a
lighting need the factory lights do not. Aftermarket lights should only be
run when they are needed, not to be cool in front of a bunch of losers. When
my 14 year old sees driving lights in town, his comment is, "What an idiot,
I'm not impressed."

On the other hand, white fogs serve a purpose in town. They provide
illumination to they sides of factory headlights. Fogs' wide, low beam does
this without blinding oncomming drivers when properly aimed.

So lets not condemn those who have aftermarket lights, but slam those who
MIS-USE them.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:30:47 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine Heaters?

Shaanon,

When I lived high atop a mountain in the dead of winter I had good luck with
a combination of 2 heaters. The first was a pad that glued to the oil pan.
Cold oil is a killer. The second was in the lower radiator hose, and
convection circulated warm water through the engine, back through the
radiator. Never had a problem after installing the heaters. Oh, yeah, this
was on a 76 F100 I6.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:39:58 -0500
From: "Kyle Goley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?

I have a 3" lift kit on my '88 F-150 4X4 and I have huge thornbirds on her.
Its legal here in indiana, hell the cops have there own trucks jacked up!!
They also don't really care about loud exuast here, because my trucks loud
too. There aren't too many people in my town with aftermarket lights though,
so I don't know about those.

Kyle

> (The real clowns that hurt my eyes are the
> >ones with the after-market driving lights. I don't have a problem with
> >after-market lightning or factory running lights, I just don't see a need
> >to
> >ever have them on in town.)
> Alex,
>
> It isn't having the aftermarket lights, it is running 660 watts of
> pencilbeams while driving through Sonic. Like I said before, every set of
> aftermarket lights on my vehicle is there for a purpose. Each set meets a
> lighting need the factory lights do not. Aftermarket lights should only be
> run when they are needed, not to be cool in front of a bunch of losers.
When
> my 14 year old sees driving lights in town, his comment is, "What an
idiot,
> I'm not impressed."
>
> On the other hand, white fogs serve a purpose in town. They provide
> illumination to they sides of factory headlights. Fogs' wide, low beam
does
> this without blinding oncomming drivers when properly aimed.
>
> So lets not condemn those who have aftermarket lights, but slam those who
> MIS-USE them.
>
> Ken
>
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:49:36 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?

Well, my kids got tired of me cussing about working in the dark because
droplights and such shatter, blow out, etc. so easily., so this is what they
gave me for my birthday:

From Walmart (actually, they gave me 2 of these):
1 cheap 48 inch shoplight fixture
2 shoplight bulbs

The above mounted in a box made of 1X pine (with 1/2 inch ventelation holes
drilled all over, nicely epoxy coated. A trip to the local industrial supply
netted a piece of Lexan to protect the bulbs from dropped tools.

They also mounted a third fixture to a 1X and affixed chains so that it can
hang from the raised hood.

This is all the light you'll ever need to work under a vehicle at night. It
is a great improvement over droplights, and much cheaper in the long run.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:55:16 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Truck Humor

Having lived in Tennessee for the last 15 years, I must agree with this. But
then, Tennessee is the only state with a legislator that was called to order
with the banging of a woman's shoe.

Ken

>This doesn't relate to much, but it's humorous, and it's about trucks, so I
>thought I'd share it for a laugh. By the way, I did not write this, nor do
>I
>have anything against any said parties, so please take no offense. Read on,
>hope you enjoy this as I did!
>
>Mike Dunbar
>89 F-150 XLT Lariat
>White River Jct., Vermont
>
>"Just remember, the wheel's spinning but the hamster's dead"
>
>
>The National Transportation Safety Board recently divulged a highly secret
>plan they had funded with the US auto makers for the past five years. The
>NTSB covertly funded a project
>whereby the auto makers were installing black boxes in pick-up trucks in an
>effort to determine, in fatal accidents, the circumstances in the last 15
>seconds before the
>crash.
>
>They were surprised to find in 49 of the 50 states the last words of
>drivers
>in 61.2% of fatal crashes were, "Oh, Sh*t!"
>
>Only the state of Tennessee was different, where 89.3% of the final words
>were, "Hey Y'all, watch this!"
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:14:23 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

- - ----- Original Message -----
From: les williams

>"exhaust valves that looked like Chuppa Chups"

>Les, I am not familiar with this term. Please enlighten me 8^>>
>Smeck

It's a lopipop made in Spain that's shaped like a tootsie roll pop.
Instead of being fruit flavored they have a creamy taste. Pretty good, but
not as good TR pops. I guess the point here is that valves shaped like
balls on a stick is bad.

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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 06:46:36 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

Hi Steve,

Its a round lolly on a stick, Kojak used to suck 'em, ( ahh - the wonders of
television...now don't tell me your so young, you didn't see the TV series?
rent cable, it's bound to be repeated there ;-)), if you can imagine an
exhaust valve looking something like this, then your close. The only metal
you could see was the seat and the shaft, the rest, a carbon deposit. It did
nothing for performance. This era we seem to be talking about, American cars
were rare, and english 4 cylinder cars were the norm, the usual small bore,
small valves, and looong stroke engines.
Gees, now a days, I won't drive anything with less than 1.60" exhaust valves
and at least 8 of 'em.

Regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


Steve Schmeckpeper wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: les williams
>
> "exhaust valves that looked like Chuppa Chups"
>
> Les, I am not familiar with this term. Please enlighten me 8^>>
> Smeck
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:45:27 -0500
From: "Michael R. Dunbar"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?

Speaking of Wal-Mart, I was surpised as to the wonders I've found in there.
I picked up a corded florescent work lamp. Similar to a drop lamp, it uses a
sealed florescent bulb. I've found this has a nice deal of light and doesn't
blow the bulb with the slightest jarring. Working in the garage, especially
on colder days, it seems all I was doing was running in and out of the house
getting replacment bulbs. The florescent lamp runs for less than $20, has an
adjustable hook and a decent lengthed cord. Definetly a worthwhile
investment.

Another thing I've found which is incredibly handy is a Campbell Hausfeld
Cordless 12V 230 PSI Air Compressor. Uses a lead battery, has a 12V DC
(cigarette lighter style) output, etc. Checking tires is one thing, but
especially when on the road, having to check your tire pressure, to find
it's low, this thing is great. You don't have to untangle a mess of cords,
etc. Or when camping, if you use an inflatable mattress, this also makes
life easier. I picked mine up for $50 or so.

A few other things to add to a Chrismas/Wish List:
1. Ratchet-style tie straps (I've found you can never have too many of
these)
2. 20-Gallon Rubbermaid truck boxes (Keep fragile things from being run
over, groceries from spreading out across your 8 foot bed, keep things dry,
and easily removable if needed)
3. Tools
4. Fast Orange, Castrol Waterless/Toweless Hand Cleaner, etc
5. Shop towels
6. Turtle Wax, Armor All, etc
7. If available, gift certificates to a car wash or pre-paid gas cards
8. Did I mention tools?
9. Rubber floor mats (A must if you live in messy, winter climates)
10. CDs or Tapes, especially on those long drives, music is nce to have
available.

Mike Dunbar
89 F-150 XLT Lariat
White River Jct., Vermont

"Just remember, the wheel's spinning but the hamster's dead"


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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:51:51 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?

Hmmm. Ten over gets you a 250 dollar fine and 13 equipment violations
at 65 dollars each. Sounds more like the officer has the attitude.
Felons aren't fined that much!! Go sit in a court room sometime and see
what the judge gives for some kid stealing a car or other non violent
crime.

Dennis Thompson wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ken haley
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?
>
> > Blake,
> >
> > I don't know exactly what "DOT pproved" means. You want to run them, run
> > them. The kid across the street got nailed for 55 in a 45 construction
> zone
> > ($250) and 13 equipment violations at $65 each. Headlight covers, blue
> dots,
> > and red interior lights visible from in front of the vehicle. Other
> > equipment violations: tires extending beyond the body, cracked windshield,
> > spinners extending beyond the wheel, too-dark window tint, and
> insufficient
> > load capacity tires. The officer must have really known his stuff. I
> > understand the kid brought it on himself by sassing the officer when he
> was
> > pulled over for speeding. IMHO, the kid got what he deserved.
>
> That does my heart good!
> Congrats to the officer, I'm tired of seeing these ridiculous, dangerous
> vehicles
> with stereos you can hear for blocks being driven recklessly by worthless
> little punks.
> ( there's a truck here in town like this with a HUGE, bright chevy neon sign
> in the back window,
> he can't possibly see at night with this thing on! )
> Driving is a privlege not a right, follow the rules or get off the road.
>
> SPECTRE
>
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:53:58 -0500
From: slikness mindspring.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Vaccuum line's

>I have an 87 F250 with a 302. There is a group of vacuum lines that run
>from the upper intake manifold, around the back of the engine and then to
>the "can" which I think is the reservoir for vacuum. These lines also go
>out and hook up the egr valve and several other valves. Each line is
>colored a different color, red, green, black, etc. This has become very
>brittle and is breaking. Where can I get a new harness like this? Is this
>something that I would order through the dealer? None of the wrecking
>yards
>have it because it stays on the engine when they sell it.
>
>Please help.
>
>Thank you.
>Kevin Moore
>
Kevin,

If you want to keep your color coding, Summit Racing, Jegs, PAW, and I believe even JC Whitney sell color coded vacuum line.

Slik
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:03:41 -0600
From: Andy Norris
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - What do I want?

Speaking of music, one thing that's been great for me is a CD holder that
wraps around your visor... hugs the visor to itself with Velcro, like a
sphygmomanometer (blood-pressure cuff). Makes picking out your next CD not
so dangerous. I ordered mine >3 years ago from Crutchfield for twenty-some
dollars. Now I think they have them at WalMart.

It also does a pretty good job of keeping your CD's out of plain sight. My
visors are busy folks these days... garage door opener on each one, CD
sleeve on driver's side, and organizer on the passenger's side... Good use
of space... like I should worry about that with a super cab with an 8' bed, eh?

Andy
'89 F250
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 08:23:24 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

Hi All,
I received this post re:Grandpa's Remedies from Steve and I hope he doesn't mind me
reposting it to this thread. Steve must be as old as me ( -that could be a worry!!)
I know he is not directly referencing ford engines but the principal is still the
same.

stephen_monken national***ting.com wrote:

> Les,
>
> I remember water injection as a method to clean an engine back in the early
> 60's. The one thing that nobody mentioned is that water increases the density
> of the air and results in more power in the compression cycle. Do you remember
> the first commercial jet aircraft? The large black plume that they put out when
> taking off was the result of injection of water into the intake which almost
> doubled the thrust but caused the fuel to not totally burn and created soot. I
> was in the Air Force and the large aircraft they used were representative of
> older commercial jets. The water was stored in a 600 gallon tank in the wheel
> well and had alcholol added to keep it from freezing. After takeoff, the extra
> water was dumped.
>

I do recall the soot output, and film footage is regularly rammed down our
collective throats, of the terrible pollution caused by these aircraft.

>
> Do you remember the old Micky Rooney movies where he raced the midgets on dirt
> tracks? There is always one scene where he would frantically pump whenever he
> was trying to go faster. I think it was an injection system that had a
> pressurized air tank.

Whatever he was pumping, and god only knows, it sure did always work, he would win!!
Ok jokes aside, I thought it was probably the fuel system he was pressurizing ??
I'm sure somebody on the list will know... Hmmm? ;-))

>
> The cleaning action of water, in removing carbon, is likely the explosive
> expansion of the water as it vaporizes. The water would remain liquid and would
> be absorbed into the carbon and would vaporize in the compression cycle. Too
> much water, to quickly added, could remove the lubrication in the cylinder and
> cause scoring of the cylinder walls although it would more likely foul out the
> fuel/air mix and shut down the engine.
>
> I enjoy reading your chat line. If you can, post my response and I will see it
> tomorrow.
>
> Steve in
> Tennessee.
>
> 93 Econoline, 5.8. One in a long line of fords.

The water injection system I was involved with was really more like a vacuum system,
a tee fitting through the vacuum advance line to to the carby. No vacuum, no water,
quite difficult to overdo, as opposed to water pump systems for turbo/supercharger
use, but that is for a different problem, but then you still don't want to put the
'fire out'.

Thank you, Steve, for your input. It's posts like yours that make it interesting,
and a change to 'What size tyres.......'

Geez, What's an Econoline??? (Don't worry, I'll look it up...) I think ford blessed
us with the European Designed, Transit Van instead. Now - I know the transit van
doesn't have a 5.8 ltr engine......more likley to be a turbo diesel setup.

Hey Phred, I keep telling you, - things are not what they first appear to be.

Regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ


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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 16:31:54 -0500
From: "Max W. Cottrell"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Aircraft Landing lamps

I had a 82 LTD (former) police car with landing lights in the
spotlight housings. I still use one of the lamps with a
motorcycle battery when I'm camping. Makes a
great reading lamp. :-))


am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> Wayne F. writes: >>Where do you get aircraft landing lights from? They
> sell them over the
> counter?
>
> Haven't used them in years, but when I had a '61 Starliner I bought a set
> of GE Aircraft Landing lamps from the local aircraft repair shop at the
> small airport here.(we have a FFA certified mechanic/Pilot that runs the
> shop) They were round and had two (2) prongs just like High beam lamps in
> a quad (4) front headlamp arrangement. I removed the original High beams
> and inserted the GE Landing lamps in their place. I was checked a few
> times and told that they were not legal by the locals, but never ticketed.
> They were very bright, but I don't know the wattage.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:31:44 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

> Awhile back I almost rear-ended one of those customized Dudge truck that

Enough said right there. The guy was driving a Dodge. Yhat should tell you
something about his mental state!

>Chris, I like your idea of a TOW -2. Is that a Ford option for 2000?
> Have our scientists designed a missile that homes in on stupidity yet? Over
>here it would not work because we have too many targets for it to acquire
>and it would constantly lock-in on a bigger and better target.

Sounds like there might be a market for some "special" aftermarket parts
developing.

> And Danny, have you ever seen a nice fairly new Mercedes-Benz or a
>Navigator with teeny tiny white wall tires?

The new Echo (Toyota?) has tires that look like doughnut spares. It's seems
dumb to put such small tires on to me.

And I agree about propane keeping your engine clean. My nieghbor's oil looks
almost clean when he changes it. Mine is almost as clean. I figure you
engine will last a lot longer on propane without all that extra carbon
building up.
Chris
'84 F150
351W on propane
NP 435
NP 208
281K Km

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:16:56 -0500
From: "Jeff Fairbairn"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - ABS Diag Connector

On my '96 F-150 the connector is located behind the dash between the ashtray
and the glovebox. I had to disconnected it so the ABS light would go off.

Jeff Fairbairn
96 F150 4x4

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Worley
Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 10:34 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ABS Diag Connector

Hey guys,
I looked on the drivers side fender well and there is no diagnostic
connector there for an RABSII system, the RABSII module is behind the glove
box, the Haynes manuel says the diag connector is next to it, the only wires
I find is the harness to the module itself, does anyone have any Idea where
in world it is?


Chris Worley
Waxahachie, TX
67 F100 352
93 F150 351

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:04:13 PST
From: "Christopher Worley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Turn signals

Did you check the flasher by any chance


Chris
'67 F100 352 LWB
'93 F150 351 SC

>From: "Davies, Don"
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'80-96-list ford-trucks.com'"
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Turn signals
>Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 07:37:02 -0700
>
>The turn signals and emergency signals on my '95 Bronco stopped working - I
>checked the signals fuse and it's OK - has anyone had this problem ?
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:23:35 -0500
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Front-mounted 2" receiver mounted

Guys,
Thanks for the advice a few weeks back on installing a 2" receiver on
the front of my F150. I was pretty certain I was going to get one even
before I posted the question about the pros and cons, and the responses I
got just reinforced my decision.
Since I'm not exactly handy with a welder (I've only used one once) I
decided to scrap the idea of making my own and check the aftermarket. I
like the look of the bumper on the truck, so I didn't want to replace that.
I found that Reese makes a really nice front-end receiver, and it even has
loops built into it for hooking up chains when I go to pull my buddy's D*dge
out of a stuck. As a bonus, it looks really mean on the front of the truck!
I found that if I take one of those pintle hook plates (or
"potato-mashers" as they call them at the local shop) I can bolt up just
about anything to it and have it mounted on the front of the truck, and
remove it silly-quick. The fishing pole racks get mounted, but that's all
that's in the plan at the moment.
Thanks again!
- -Mike


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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:33:58 -0600
From: Mark E Reimers
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?

That web site is off in more states than people think. Please to to your
state police and get a written copy of the acuall laws in person. The
internet is full of false ideas, but then again, there is so much out
there that is true and real. The only way to know is to double check it
yourself.

Alex, you said your friends give you grief, tell them you would like to
see a copy of the law from the books.

- - Mark Reimers KB9ODG
'66 Bronco 170 I-6, 3-speed, 3.5" suspension lift, 3" body lift, 35"
tires ...
'87 F-150 XLT 4x2 300 I-6, 4-speed, two working fuel tanks!(I think!)


> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:39:10 EST
> From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?
>
> Dave R (M-block devotee):
> Like I said, enforcement is spotty but lift kits or ANY suspension
>
> modifications are illegal in Colorado. I'm not speaking out of my
> back side
> on this. I work closely with law enforcement on a daily basis and 2
> of my
> best friends are traffic cops. (I take a bit of good-natured grief
> from them
> about my '85 Bronco's 3'' lift and 31X10.5 tires) During that little
> snow
> storm we had here last week, a 3/4 T GMC with about a 6'' lift
> rear-ended a
> Suburu wagon full of kids just outside the mall. The damage from
> such a low
> speed collision should have been bumper-to-bumper but instead was
> bumper-to-rear window. This sort of thing is why, in my opinion,
> the law was
> enacted. Luckily the injuries to the kids was only from flying glass
> but the
> driver was issued citations for following too close and for his
> modified
> suspension. It happens more often than you may know. Just in case
> you
> didn't catch Ken Woods post on this subject, check out the following
> URL:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.truckworld.com/How-To-Tech/97-lift-laws/lift-laws.html
> (Thanks Ken!)
>
> I don't see that many headlights out of alignment at night in metro
> Denver,
> but when I do it's usually a vehicle with weight in the rear causing
> the
> headlights to point up, or some sort of a SUV with a lift kit. It's
> easy to
> adjust the headlights on Ford trucks to compensate for lifts... all
> you need
> is a wall and either a screw driver or a cheapo adjusting tool
> that's
> available at most any parts house. (The real clowns that hurt my
> eyes are the
> ones with the after-market driving lights. I don't have a problem
> with
> after-market lightning or factory running lights, I just don't see a
> need to
> ever have them on in town.)
>
> The purpose to my post was to look for feed-back from other areas
> of the
> country (and Canada & Oz?) to see if lift kits and wide tires are
> regulated
> and/or tolerated by law enforcement. The only time I've overheard
> the boys in
> blue talking about giving tickets for oversized tires was in the
> context of
> ''attitude tickets''
> And now for the big secret: Although the suspension law is still
> on the
> books and still being enforced, it was declared unconstitutional in
> 1976. If
> you were to get a ticket and then contest it, the agency will
> withdraw it and
> then likely replace it with a defective vehicle complaint. Most
> people won't
> go to the trouble of contesting it when they find out that the
> suspension
> ticket doesn't carry any point penalties and the defective vehicle
> does.
>
> Alex
>
> (and Dave, when it came to low-end grunt, I REALLY miss my old 400.
> They
> just don't make 'em like that any more...and it got 17mpg)
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:00:19 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?

During that little
> snow
> storm we had here last week, a 3/4 T GMC with about a 6'' lift
> rear-ended a
> Suburu wagon full of kids just outside the mall. The damage from
> such a low
> speed collision should have been bumper-to-bumper but instead was
> bumper-to-rear window.

You must have some really sad springs in the 3/4 ton trucks near you.
Bumper to bumper with any car, not likely.

And now for the big secret: Although the suspension law is still
> on the
> books and still being enforced, it was declared unconstitutional in
> 1976.

Where was it considered unconstiutional? Have any case information??

OX
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:07:15 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?

>In a message dated 12/5/99 12:50:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>blake little-mountain.com writes:
>
>
> rain, they light it up like daylight. Really make it safer. >>
>Blake,
>Where do you get aircraft landing lights from? They sell them over the
>counter?

NAPA stores. There are 3" and 5" I believe. I can get the part number next
week if anyone wants it.


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