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80-96-list-digest Tuesday, December 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 345



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - U-joint replacement
FTE 80-96 - Timing and Carb setup
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 TSB
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
Re: FTE 80-96 - Test - and Clear Taillight lenses!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Test - and Clear Taillight lenses!
FTE 80-96 - Clear Taillight lenses! Cool Fool
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing and Carb setup
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Clear taillight lenses
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Clear taillight lenses
FTE 80-96 - Engine Heaters?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
FTE 80-96 - remove
FTE 80-96 - RE: Y2K Compliant
FTE 80-96 - ABS Diag Connector
FTE 80-96 - Re: Headers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Headers

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 05:59:30 PST
From: "Donald Porto"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - U-joint replacement

I can tell you how I used to do it. Place some wheel bearing grease in the
cap first. Then 1 at a time put the needles back in using your small finger
to align them. The grease will stick to them and hold them in place. When
all the needles are in replace the cap on the U-joint. I usually use
eletrician or friction tape to hold the caps on by wrapping it around all
four caps until I get everything installed.

Hope that works for you.

/Don Porto


>From: Ken Woods
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: Ford truck list , Ford Off-Road List
>, occ linux.lgi.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - U-joint replacement
>Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:17:49 -0500 (EST)
>
>
>Hey all,
>
>Installed my suspension lift yesterday and today.
>Everything went well, except for the needle bearings falling out of the u
>joint on the front driveshaft. That wasn't so much fun.
>
>So, anyhow I've got the get that fixed, except I don't know (A) How to do
>it, and (B) don't know of anyplace to take it to have it done.
>
>eh, Help?
>
>I'm in Laurel, MD.
>I know that there are several of us from the Ford lists that are in the
>Baltimore/DC area, and pretty much everybody on the OCC list is, so can
>anybody offer suggestions on someplace to take the driveshaft to have the
>u-joints replaced?? That, or offer guidance and a garage and a press and
>whatever else I'm going to need??
>
>Thanks all.
>
>--
>Ken Woods
>kwoods kens.com
>'89 F-250 - www.kens.com/truckpics
>
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:41:23 EST
From: BanksRVA aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Timing and Carb setup

Hi folks, I need some help here. I have an 82 F100 with a 300 I-6 in it. I
need to adjust the timing and set the air/fuel ratio on the carb. First
question, it seems i have two sets of timing marks, one near the top right
front of the engine and one set halfway down on the left front of the engine.
Can some one tell me where the timing marks are on this engine please.
Second, I was told to use a vacuum guage to set the carb (it's a 1 bbl), do I
attach to manifold vacuum or plug in somewhere on the carb? Last but not
least, in what order do I do this stuff? Idle, carb then timing? Or timing
then carb? Thanks in advance for any advice, this list has already saved me
lots of money by teaching me to do stuff myself.
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 06:47:58 PST
From: "Donald Porto"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

This indeed is an old remedy. My grandfather actually had a tube connecting
to the radiator with a valve on it running into the carb(prior to 1920's)
when carbon jobs were required quite frequently. He noticed that whenever
he had to change a blown head gasket the two cylinders on either side of the
damaged gasket would be whistle clean due to the water leak. In those days
they did not use ethlyn glycol anti freaze so whenever the engine would
begin to knock, he could crack the valve slightly with the engine running
and the knock would dissappear. I saw my father use a similar technique in
the 1950's but because of the negative affects of the anti freeze, he simply
removed the air cleaner and sprayed a fine mist of water over the carb with
the engine running. After about 30 seconds, the knock disappeared.

/Don Porto


>From: Spruce1495 aol.com
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 20:39:35 EST
>
>I have heard of using a water mist technique. Spraying a mist into carb
>venturis at mid-range rpm. Supposedly water is denser than gas and does not
>vaporize completely thus breaking down carbon deposits in comb chambers.
>This
>is an old remedy, too. I've not tried it !!
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 06:51:43 PST
From: "Donald Porto"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

Alcohol was what was used before anti-freeze was invented. (in reference to
my grandfather's technique) I would be careful of the windshield washer
fluids in the resevoir other than alcohol based ones.
/Don Porto


>From: Mike Persell
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:44:55 -0600
>
>I once used a windshield washer kit with a very narrrow nozzle spraying
>into the secondary venturi of a turbocharged engine. The system was
>activated by a intake pressure sensor. Once it reached 4lbs boost the
>injector would spray in water or alcohol, whichever I put in the
>reservoir.
>
>
>On Sat, 04 Dec 1999, you wrote:
> > I have heard of using a water mist technique. Spraying a mist into carb
> > venturis at mid-range rpm. Supposedly water is denser than gas and does
>not
> > vaporize completely thus breaking down carbon deposits in comb chambers.
>This
> > is an old remedy, too. I've not tried it !!
> > spruce1495 aol
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 07:02:30 PST
From: "Donald Porto"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

Ahhh. That is the trouble with us old timers. We forget about the newer
technologies. I never thought about the 02 sensors. I do not know what
affect the water mist would have on them. I seem to recollect some problems
when anti-freeze was in the water passing the o-2 sensors.

/Don Porto


>From: "DannyF"
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
>Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:32:29 -0600
>
> > I have heard of using a water mist technique. Spraying a mist into carb
> > venturis at mid-range rpm. Supposedly water is denser than gas and does
> > not
> > vaporize completely thus breaking down carbon deposits in comb chambers.
> > This
> > is an old remedy, too. I've not tried it !!
>
>I can say this. Whenever I've seen blown head gaskets where a cyl
>was ingesting a little water, that plug, piston top were spotless
>compared to the rest.
>
>Used to run an Edelbrock water injection kit on A pontiac 400
>w/12:1 compression. Cleanest intake/piston crowns/plugs I ever
>had over 10-20K mi.
>
>Using a spray bottle of water to mist a throttle body/carb is a great
>way to clean up the intake tract/cyl top. Be aware that it can foul
>plugs and possibly O2 sensors. Might take 2-3 containers full to
>make a difference.
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>danf01 worldnet.att.net
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 11:37:51 -0600
From: Allen Stearns
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 TSB

Check out
NHTSA.DOT.GOV
From there you can find both re-calls and TSB's. Make sure you get the
search info exactly as they require it, otherwise you will get no
returns on your search.

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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:15:15 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?

>From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?
>
> In Colorado, it's against the law to modify your
>suspension in any way (including lift kits), and it
>is enforced.

Yo Alex:

I live in Colorado and this is not true. Where did you get this idea?

BTW: During the last two years legislative sessions, some state senators and
reps have sponsored bills to ban vehicle suspension modification (both lifting
and lowering), but they have never succeeded. Most such bills never get out of
committee (i.e., they never get to the floor for a vote).

>When tickets are written, it's usually
>because of injuries caused by excessive
>bumper heights,

I have never heard of such a ticket writing incident. When and where have you
seen this?

>blinding headlights at night,

Incorrectly aimed headlights is an infraction, but from what I've seen around
the Denver metro area, almost 50% of the vehicles on the road qualify for that.

> It's also a ticketing offense for tires to extend
>outside of the body - this gets enforced a little
>more regularly, but it's mostly the ''rice boys''
>that get gigged for it.

Again, in the Denver metro area, I have seen little or no enforcement of this.
I would guess it is typically used as a pretext for an otherwise "questionable"
traffic stop. (Not that I wouldn't use the same pretext, or any other such as a
burnt-out bulb, if I were in the officer's shoes at that time.) Around here,
enforcement of "technical" vehicle regulations for non-commercial vehicles seems
to vary widely from one locale to another.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:35:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Dave Resch wrote:

> >From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
> >Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?
> > In Colorado, it's against the law to modify your
> >suspension in any way (including lift kits), and it
> >is enforced.
> Yo Alex:
> I live in Colorado and this is not true. Where did you get this idea?

While I'm not Alex.......
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.truckworld.com/How-To-Tech/97-lift-laws/lift-laws.html
says that there are no lifts allowed in Colorado.

But I live in Maryland, so I don't know if this is true or not.


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kwoods kens.com

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 06:50:57 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

Jim Cannon wrote:

> Spraying a small stream of water into the carb or intake when under load
> can help reduce knock (or pinging). This is old technology.
>
> Many people talk about doing it to remove carbon from combustion chambers,
> but I have never seen documented proof (like pictures) that it works, only
> stories. This is the first time I have heard hydrogen peroxide mentioned.
> If anyone has an old engine that they are going to rebuild anyway, I'd sure
> like them to run a test on it before pulling the heads!
>
>
> Jim Cannon
> Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
> '29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
> '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Hi Jim
I think we're about 20-30 years to late. When auto & petrol technology wasn't
quite a good as it is today, and Comp ratio of 6 or 7:1 was hi performance, it
was common practice to have to do a decoke & valve grind every 20,000 miles or
so. Come on - where are the more senior members of the list, that would have
remembered this.
I was just a lad in short pants and the worst job was decoking valves & heads.
The sort of crud build up on valves like concrete, when I say crud build up , I
mean exhaust valves that looked like Chuppa Chups, heads reduced to half
capacity, or less with carbon, you don't see now adays unless the engine has
already got a serious terminal problem.
Water/alcohol/metho/peroxide injection did work in these cases, but
unfortunately, through the sands of time, I have lost the photos. ;-) Used to
install water injection for this reason only. There are probably was as many
theories on why this did/didn't work as there are interpretations of the motor
traffic act.

Grandpa's Remedies was just fine in his time, it's time to move on.

Les
Lost in the land of OZ


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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:38:47 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

- ----- Original Message -----
From: les williams

"exhaust valves that looked like Chuppa Chups"

Les, I am not familiar with this term. Please enlighten me 8^>>
Smeck



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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:22:52 -0600
From: "DannyF"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Test - and Clear Taillight lenses!

> I KNOW, and my "sent items" says I sent a post about clear lenses.
>
> But, JC Weekly has clear lenses for stuff. It says "for off road or show
> use only"
>
> Wayne said nobody had that disclaimer in their ad.
>
> Rice Boys, who drive loud, decorated imports often have clear lenses as
> a
> "requirement to be cool".

Lessee....I want to pay $50-100 to make my econobox attract
cops/tickets, make everyone think my reverse lights are stuck on
or my tailight wiring is screwed up, and to confuse drivers behind
me? Only to be ordered to remove them within a few mos.

Ahhh, the price of being a "cool" fool.

>
> Do y'all REALLY want to use them too?
>
> My version of cool, is that I can pass inspection anywhere, don't scrape
> the ground because of lowered suspension, no custom wheels or wide tires
> to
> attract more thieves, and basically just blend in on Houston's wild
> freeways!!!
>
> Dave H.
> Houston

I hear you. When I lived in Houston I intentionally bought an old
POS as my daily ride. The thievery/vandalism/doorbangers
was/were incredible.

Here in northern Mexico(San Antonio,Tx), I saw what has to be the
kicker...a brand new, beautiful burgandy F-150 w/incredibly skinny
whitewall tires all around. I told my girlfriend, "how could this fool
screw up his truck like this?" Got to be a young Hispanic, I
thought(around here we some real innovative owners who are
very adept at screwing up their cars).

Nope! The guy pulled into a convenience store and was Hispanic
but 30-40 something. Amazing!
Danny
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:30:27 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Test - and Clear Taillight lenses!

>> Rice Boys, who drive loud, decorated imports often have clear lenses as
>> a
>> "requirement to be cool".
>
>Lessee....I want to pay $50-100 to make my econobox attract
>cops/tickets, make everyone think my reverse lights are stuck on
>or my tailight wiring is screwed up, and to confuse drivers behind
>me? Only to be ordered to remove them within a few mos.
>
>Ahhh, the price of being a "cool" fool.
>
Nothin' a TOW-2 can't fix! I get that ichy triger finger every time I see a
set of those clear taillights.
Chris
'84 F150
351W on propane
NP 435
NP 208
281K Km

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 20:03:13 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Clear Taillight lenses! Cool Fool

It seems hardly anyone on the list likes the clear lenses. Actually,
neither do I. But every time you raise your truck, or lower it or
change the exhaust system, or turbo/super charge it, or add huge offroad
lights or do ANYTHING else to change it such that someone would notice
it, you're going to make some safety nazi out there try to legislate
your hobby away. When will Americans just live and let live. Usually
"safety" is the rallying cry to whip up the crowds fervor and herd them
in the direction you wish. The fact someone doesn't like something or
is irritated by it is never enough. You have to be able to point out
how it's somehow unsafe. That way it's okay to stop your neighbors
pursuit of happiness. Or so it seems to me.

Emil




Chris McKinnon wrote:
>
> >> Rice Boys, who drive loud, decorated imports often have clear lenses as
> >> a
> >> "requirement to be cool".
> >
> >Lessee....I want to pay $50-100 to make my econobox attract
> >cops/tickets, make everyone think my reverse lights are stuck on
> >or my tailight wiring is screwed up, and to confuse drivers behind
> >me? Only to be ordered to remove them within a few mos.
> >
> >Ahhh, the price of being a "cool" fool.
> >
> Nothin' a TOW-2 can't fix! I get that ichy triger finger every time I see a
> set of those clear taillights.
> Chris
> '84 F150
> 351W on propane
> NP 435
> NP 208
> 281K Km
>
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:39:10 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and lift kits....legal?

Dave R (M-block devotee):
Like I said, enforcement is spotty but lift kits or ANY suspension
modifications are illegal in Colorado. I'm not speaking out of my back side
on this. I work closely with law enforcement on a daily basis and 2 of my
best friends are traffic cops. (I take a bit of good-natured grief from them
about my '85 Bronco's 3'' lift and 31X10.5 tires) During that little snow
storm we had here last week, a 3/4 T GMC with about a 6'' lift rear-ended a
Suburu wagon full of kids just outside the mall. The damage from such a low
speed collision should have been bumper-to-bumper but instead was
bumper-to-rear window. This sort of thing is why, in my opinion, the law was
enacted. Luckily the injuries to the kids was only from flying glass but the
driver was issued citations for following too close and for his modified
suspension. It happens more often than you may know. Just in case you
didn't catch Ken Woods post on this subject, check out the following URL:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.truckworld.com/How-To-Tech/97-lift-laws/lift-laws.html
(Thanks Ken!)

I don't see that many headlights out of alignment at night in metro Denver,
but when I do it's usually a vehicle with weight in the rear causing the
headlights to point up, or some sort of a SUV with a lift kit. It's easy to
adjust the headlights on Ford trucks to compensate for lifts... all you need
is a wall and either a screw driver or a cheapo adjusting tool that's
available at most any parts house. (The real clowns that hurt my eyes are the
ones with the after-market driving lights. I don't have a problem with
after-market lightning or factory running lights, I just don't see a need to
ever have them on in town.)

The purpose to my post was to look for feed-back from other areas of the
country (and Canada & Oz?) to see if lift kits and wide tires are regulated
and/or tolerated by law enforcement. The only time I've overheard the boys in
blue talking about giving tickets for oversized tires was in the context of
''attitude tickets''
And now for the big secret: Although the suspension law is still on the
books and still being enforced, it was declared unconstitutional in 1976. If
you were to get a ticket and then contest it, the agency will withdraw it and
then likely replace it with a defective vehicle complaint. Most people won't
go to the trouble of contesting it when they find out that the suspension
ticket doesn't carry any point penalties and the defective vehicle does.

Alex

(and Dave, when it came to low-end grunt, I REALLY miss my old 400. They
just don't make 'em like that any more...and it got 17mpg)
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 19:38:06 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing and Carb setup

At 09:41 06/12/99 EST, you wrote:
>Hi folks, I need some help here. I have an 82 F100 with a 300 I-6 in it. I
>need to adjust the timing and set the air/fuel ratio on the carb. First
>question, it seems i have two sets of timing marks, one near the top right
>front of the engine and one set halfway down on the left front of the
engine.

Use the marks that you see when you shine the timing light in from the
drivers side over the top of the PS pump (if you have one) and under the
A/C compressor (if you have one). Ignore the other marks.

>Can some one tell me where the timing marks are on this engine please.
>Second, I was told to use a vacuum guage to set the carb (it's a 1 bbl),
do I
>attach to manifold vacuum or plug in somewhere on the carb?

Connect directly to manifold.

>Last but not
>least, in what order do I do this stuff? Idle, carb then timing? Or timing
>then carb? Thanks in advance for any advice, this list has already saved me
>lots of money by teaching me to do stuff myself.


On engine at normal operating temp:
Get idle mixture OK smooth, not perfect, unplug vacuum from distributor and
plug, set RPM according to spec on emissions sticker (low), set timing,
then put vacuum back on distributor, set RPM back up to normal and finally
set idle mixture. Changing idle mixture will change RPM, so you have to go
back and forth between the two a couple of times.

I'm doing this from memory. Follow the directions on the emissions sticker
under the hood. Get a shop manual with all the money you have saved.



Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:23:39 EST
From: Mobilepdr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Clear taillight lenses


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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:23:47 EST
From: Mobilepdr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Clear taillight lenses

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 03:02:35 GMT
From: "shannon hoyt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Engine Heaters?

Guys of the Ford Truck World,
I know about the benefits and short-comings of these things, but
I think all I am really looking for is a little reassurance. True, the
engine heaters can be inexpensive and coming into the winter months,
somewhat needed. My question is, which, for my money's worth, is going to
be more suited to my taste and liking. An Engine mounted heater, or the
Magnetized to the block, heater? I am looking to buy, but hoping not to have
to replace! In my honest opinion, I wish some of these vehicle companies
engineers, would get it in to their heads to make them mandatory in some of
the more harsh winter states.
As for all that leagality over equipment on our rigs and getting pulled over
or ticketed for it. I can tell you that the state of Iowa is an AT WILL
state. Meaning, you can be fired, evicted or sometimes, pulled over At Will,
without reasoning. Sucks when you live in a world that is out of control
with "some", not all, of their rules.

Shannon Hoyt,
C.R., IA
94' F-150, I-6,
4.9

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 21:22:08 -0600
From: Mike Persell
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

At 06:51 AM 12/6/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Alcohol was what was used before anti-freeze was invented. (in reference
>to my grandfather's technique) I would be careful of the windshield washer
>fluids in the resevoir other than alcohol based ones.
>/Don Porto

I always installed a separate reservoir for the 2 different fluids
depending on how hard I was going to push the engine.

Mike

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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:25:14 EST
From: Eroks aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - remove

remove
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:17:45 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Y2K Compliant

Chris wrote:

>And with only 26 days till the New Year we all better make sure we are Y2K
compliant soon

>Chris

My 'puter has gone through a couple simple tests, and seems to be ok. But
if it should fail, my life might just be very much improved without it!!!
(and I never keep a bank balance much more than squat, so that won't hurt
either!)

I think it's mostly all hype!!!

Dave H.

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 19:34:07 PST
From: "Christopher Worley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ABS Diag Connector

Hey guys,
I looked on the drivers side fender well and there is no diagnostic
connector there for an RABSII system, the RABSII module is behind the glove
box, the Haynes manuel says the diag connector is next to it, the only wires
I find is the harness to the module itself, does anyone have any Idea where
in world it is?


Chris Worley
Waxahachie, TX
67 F100 352
93 F150 351

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