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80-96-list-digest Monday, December 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 344



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: rough idle on hot startup
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: rough idle on hot startup
FTE 80-96 - TSB (AGAIN)
Re: FTE 80-96 - TSB (AGAIN)
Re: FTE 80-96 - TSB (AGAIN)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies
Re: FTE 80-96 - Stall on cold start
FTE 80-96 - Ford ambulance
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford ambulance
FTE 80-96 - re: abs light
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?
FTE 80-96 - Transmission swap
FTE 80-96 - Anybody want a supercharger??
FTE 80-96 - ABS Test
Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS Test
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - TSB (AGAIN)
FTE 80-96 - Test - and Clear Taillight lenses!
FTE 80-96 - Re: Clear taillight lenses
Re: FTE 80-96 - Test - and Clear Taillight lenses!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Clear taillight lenses

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 07:58:50 -0500
From: "Max W. Cottrell"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: rough idle on hot startup

My '89 F150, 5.0, manual trans. starts fine cold.
When it's warmed up, however, the engine
idles rough when it has been restarted. Once
I drive for a short distance (less than 20 feet),
the idle is fine. It acts like fuel percolation, which
isn't likely since it has fuel injection.

Max W. Cottrell
'89 F150

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:11:22 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: rough idle on hot startup

At 07:58 05/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>My '89 F150, 5.0, manual trans. starts fine cold.
>When it's warmed up, however, the engine
>idles rough when it has been restarted. Once
>I drive for a short distance (less than 20 feet),
>the idle is fine. It acts like fuel percolation, which
>isn't likely since it has fuel injection.

True, percolation is unlikely. But, you might have a leaky injector
continuing to drip a bit of fuel in after you shut it off, until the
pressure bleeds off the rail.

You might also have a faulty sensor sending a bad signal to the computer
when you start up, resulting in rough idle (until computer gets it sorted
out). Sensor does not have to be so far out of whack as to generate a code,
just off enough to mess up the idle. (Hard to find.)

There is also a vacuum diaphragm on the fuel rail (part of the pressure
regulator system?) that has been reported to leak a bit when old and put
excess fuel into the engine through the vacuum line running up to the
manifold. Sounds like a long shot to me, but at least you have now heard of
it.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 06:44:38 PST
From: "Christopher Worley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TSB (AGAIN)

For some reason I was not recieivng any list postings for about three days,
I asked this question but did't recieve an answer so here it goes, Is there
anywhere on the net where you can look at the Ford TSBs without having to
pay, (I am cheap but will pay if necessary)Ford needs to give them away on
their web page if you ask me.




Chris

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 08:58:52 -0600 (CST)
From: DTrowbridge webtv.net (David Trowbridge)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TSB (AGAIN)

go to a search engine and do a search for the NTSB(national
transportation safety board). they have listings of almost every
vehicle. they list re-calls as well as service problems/updates. they
are not real specific, but this might be a place to start. and it is
free.

David
85 F-150

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:56:08 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TSB (AGAIN)

At 06:44 05/12/99 PST, you wrote:
>For some reason I was not recieivng any list postings for about three days,
>I asked this question but did't recieve an answer so here it goes, Is there
>anywhere on the net where you can look at the Ford TSBs without having to
>pay, (I am cheap but will pay if necessary)Ford needs to give them away on
>their web page if you ask me.

It is possible to see listings of the TSB titles and numbers, but not
content on the web. If you go talk nicely to your dealer service guys, they
will often give you a copy if they are not too busy. They are not required
to do so.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:32:29 -0600
From: "DannyF"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Grandpa's Remedies

> I have heard of using a water mist technique. Spraying a mist into carb
> venturis at mid-range rpm. Supposedly water is denser than gas and does
> not
> vaporize completely thus breaking down carbon deposits in comb chambers.
> This
> is an old remedy, too. I've not tried it !!

I can say this. Whenever I've seen blown head gaskets where a cyl
was ingesting a little water, that plug, piston top were spotless
compared to the rest.

Used to run an Edelbrock water injection kit on A pontiac 400
w/12:1 compression. Cleanest intake/piston crowns/plugs I ever
had over 10-20K mi.

Using a spray bottle of water to mist a throttle body/carb is a great
way to clean up the intake tract/cyl top. Be aware that it can foul
plugs and possibly O2 sensors. Might take 2-3 containers full to
make a difference.
Danny
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:32:29 -0600
From: "DannyF"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Stall on cold start

> This type of stall seems to be a feature on many of the older F-150's.
> My
> 1991 w/302 had the problem until I changed to NGK spark plugs. (I made
> a
> long "testimonial" post about this change a month or two ago.) It used to
> stall on cold starts like this regularly, but it has not done it once
> since
> the plug change. Nothing else I tried worked and I was left scratching
> my
> head. I still cannot explain why the plug change would fix this problem
> except that the plugs seem to fire consistently better than the stock
> plugs. It seems strange, but all of us seem to describe the same basic
> problem. Dies on first fire up after sitting cold, then runs OK after
> restart. I could keep mine from dying by giving it some gas just after
> the
> starter kicked out, but it bogged pretty badly.
>
> Shawn Clark

Same old problem here. I can say this about it:

A plain tuneup won't help(unless you try NGKs...I'm going to give it
a try).

A cleaned or new Idle Control Motor won't help.

Even a full blown rebuild didn't help(had to do because of a blocked
oil pickup screen, thanks to previous owner).

Even found a vac leak that I thought was sure to cure it. Nope.

This problem progresses after some miles(80K in my case). At
60K never did it. Then 65-75K, it began intermittently, then to 80K
where its almost always spits/sputters on first start sometimes
pulling itself out to a smooth, fast idle, sometimes not. If not, a 2nd
restart always cures it. Always on a cold start, never a hot one.

I've noticed if I crack the throttle a little on 1st start it WILL start
normally to fast idle everytime. Still want it to start normally
though. I'll report back to affirm the NGKs.

Rebuilder threw in Champions....no wonder.
Danny
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:18:37 -0500 (EST)
From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford ambulance

1991 Ford amublance 7.3 with overdrive. This is for sale. The owner
wants 5,000.
It has 119 thousand miles. The body is good. The tires are new.
Everything is in
tack. I need a tow vehicle for a horse trailer. An F250 would cost
twice this and
this is a 350. The owner says that it has the wrong size batteries and
needs larger
ones. It drives good but shifts hard like it
has a shift kit. Is this the year that the
transmissions are garbage. I was thinking
about stripping the cargo area out if I bought it. I am nervous about
it though and would like some advise on what to look for in these. Do
these have special
heavy duty drivetrain. I can't find out anything. It is just a Ford
ambulance.



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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:34:10 -0500
From: "Joe "
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford ambulance

Most Ford Ambulances are Very Heavy Duty....They are not a regular F-350
Being an EMT I have gone through the process of buying a Ford Ambulance and
if
i can find the brochure i will email you the specs...I know they come with
trans coolers, beefier frame, larger brakes etc...they go through a
demanding
goverment restrictions do to what there used for.
hope this helps
joe

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> From: Jerome Kelly
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford ambulance
> Date: Sunday, December 05, 1999 1:18 PM
>
> 1991 Ford amublance 7.3 with overdrive. This is for sale. The owner
> wants 5,000.
> It has 119 thousand miles. The body is good. The tires are new.
> Everything is in
> tack. I need a tow vehicle for a horse trailer. An F250 would cost
> twice this and
> this is a 350. The owner says that it has the wrong size batteries and
> needs larger
> ones. It drives good but shifts hard like it
> has a shift kit. Is this the year that the
> transmissions are garbage. I was thinking
> about stripping the cargo area out if I bought it. I am nervous about
> it though and would like some advise on what to look for in these. Do
> these have special
> heavy duty drivetrain. I can't find out anything. It is just a Ford
> ambulance.
>
>
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://community.webtv.net/DBblueboy/DayBreakblueboyblue
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:36:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Wagner
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: abs light

Hi, I saw your problem with the ABS light coming on and staying on.

I have a 94 F150 4x4 with rear wheel ABS, and this happened to me when I
was out hunting this autumn.

I went through a big mud hole, and a branch broke off the ABS sensor
harness from the rear differential. The sensor is a plastic fitting that
clips to the top driver's side (front) of the rear differential. The
sensor (in 1994) also controls the speedometer, which also did not work
when the sensor broke off.

Take a look under there - my local dealer (there's no aftermarket harness
available where I am, in northern British Columbia) sold me a replacement
harness for $8, and I was off to the races with 15 minutes of wire
splicing.

I don't know if this is your problem, but it can't hurt to check, and it's
a cheap, do-it-yourself fix.


Bill Wagner


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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 06:56:05 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is this legal?

Blake Malkamaki wrote:

>
> I like aircraft landing lights for driving on dark lonely roads. When it is
> rain, they light it up like daylight. Really make it safer.
>
> I hooked them up to an addition floor dimmer switch so the can be turned on
> and off instantly. I also turn off the regular headlights so the alternator
> keeps up better. I always dim them immediately if I see another vehicle
> coming and have never had any trouble with the law.

Hi All,
That was Exactly the point I was alluding to, in bad coditions, stock 55/60 watt
inserts (woops... that's still over the legal top for you...) just don't cut it. I
think you guys probably have worst weather conditions, on an annual basis than we
do down here. Your quite right about the power draw, it has to sustainable, 2x90ah
alternators to 2x17 plate batteries, pretty well fixes that. Just don't ever, ever
turn them all on without the motor running.

regards
Les
Lost in the Land of OZ

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:09:45 -0800
From: "Kevin Moore"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Transmission swap

What does it take to put an automatic trans in where a 4 speed manual was?
The truck I am thinking of doing this to is an 87 F250 with a 302.


Thanks
Kevin

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:22:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Anybody want a supercharger??

Pics are at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/charger

It's a B&M 144.

What you see is what you get. I don't have the lower intake manifold,
but you can get one from B&M for ~~$350.
It's got about 3K miles on it, and there are no problems with it. I just
don't have anything that I want to put it on.

I'm asking $400, but will take whatever high bids I get.

I'm in Laurel, MD, and will deliver in the Baltimore/NoVA/Washington area.

I am _not_ going to ship this thing, it's rather heavy.

Buy this thing. I need new tires!!!!
Look at the bald-ass tires that I'm riding around on.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/truckpics/bald_tires.jpg
Buy it, buy it, buy it!!!

- --
Ken Woods
kwoods kens.com

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 12:35:26 PST
From: "Christopher Worley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ABS Test

Can anyone tell me where the ABS Diag connector is on a 93 f150, I found the
module itself behind the golve compartment, but I can't find the diag
connecter.


Chris
93 F150 SC 351
67 F100 351

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:53:23 -0800
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS Test

On my '90 the RABS diagnostic connector is next to the EEC test connector on
the drivers side fender well.

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From: Christopher Worley
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, December 05, 1999 12:36 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ABS Test


>Can anyone tell me where the ABS Diag connector is on a 93 f150, I found
the
>module itself behind the golve compartment, but I can't find the diag
>connecter.
>
>
>Chris
>93 F150 SC 351
>67 F100 351
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:15:23 -0500
From: "slik"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission swap

From: Kevin Moore
> What does it take to put an automatic trans in where a 4 speed manual was?
> The truck I am thinking of doing this to is an 87 F250 with a 302.
>
>
Shouldn't be a huge problem. Make sure you have the small block tranny
housing and use a floor shifter like B&M. Lokar also makes some linkage
combinations and shifters.

Slik

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:27:19 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TSB (AGAIN)

Chris,
Go to this site-http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/toc.html. That should get you
started.
later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
Wayne's page
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:43:59 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Test - and Clear Taillight lenses!

I KNOW, and my "sent items" says I sent a post about clear lenses.

But, JC Weekly has clear lenses for stuff. It says "for off road or show
use only"

Wayne said nobody had that disclaimer in their ad.

Rice Boys, who drive loud, decorated imports often have clear lenses as a
"requirement to be cool".

Do y'all REALLY want to use them too?

My version of cool, is that I can pass inspection anywhere, don't scrape
the ground because of lowered suspension, no custom wheels or wide tires to
attract more thieves, and basically just blend in on Houston's wild
freeways!!!

Dave H.
Houston
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 21:57:27 -0600
From: "Bill P."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Clear taillight lenses

Thanks Jim,
That makes a lot more sense. The inspector guy was on a power trip, for=
sure. I had to replace muffler, tailpipe and wipers; all understandable,=
but pretty picky. In addition, he wrote up that my power steering pump=
was leaking and High Beam Indicator light was out. After replacing the=
muffler and tailpipe, I went to the car wash and washed the power steering=
pump. When I went back for a reinspection, I showed him the High Beam=
Indicator. There never was anything wrong with it. He just couldn't find=
it. The cleaned power steering pump seemed to meet his criteria. I'll go=
somewhere else next year.
I got a sticker with two zeros on it. That means my truck is now Texas Y2K=
compatible.
Bill P.

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Jim wrote:

The inspector can tell the guy to go do that, but the law in Texas does not
require red lenses, only that it emit a red or amber color. Quote:

......... (d) A stoplamp shall emit a red or amber light, or a color
between red and amber, that is:...................


Jim Cannon





"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's
easier to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs."



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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:40:43 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Test - and Clear Taillight lenses!

In a message dated 12/5/99 10:49:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dharmier gte.net writes:


use only"

Wayne said nobody had that disclaimer in their ad.
>>
Dave,
To re quote my post about that , I stated that the ads in Truckin' and Sport
truck that I had seen with these did not state that.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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