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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Shocks
FTE 80-96 - Check your heater hoses!
FTE 80-96 - Water Pump
FTE 80-96 - How much is too much mileage...
FTE 80-96 - Intro and a few Q's
FTE 80-96 - 81 4.9 L six cylinder
RE: FTE 80-96 - crooked truck bed
Re: FTE 80-96 - ZF and M5OD gearing...
Re: FTE 80-96 - crooked truck bed
Re: FTE 80-96 - Water Pump
RE: FTE 80-96 - How much is too much mileage...
Re: FTE 80-96 - crooked truck bed
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shocks
Re: FTE 80-96 - How much is too much mileage...
Re: FTE 80-96 - crooked truck bed
FTE 80-96 - Ranger or Full Size?
Re: FTE 80-96 - ZF and M5OD gearing...

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:06:41 -0600
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Shocks

I have dual front shock on my 84 F-150
can I take one shock out to make it ride better?
and which one should i take front or rear on the front??
thanks
right now it rides real stiff and i have ridden in one shock 4x4's like mine
and they ride much better..
any help?

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:27:43 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Check your heater hoses!

I discovered yesterday morning that one of my heater hoses on my 4.9L I-6
was rubbing against the adjustment bracket for the air pump and it began to
leak. I replaced both hoses that run over the pump. I also split a couple
of small pieces of 3/4" heater hose and slipped then over the heater hoses
where they pass over the pump, next to the adjusting bracket. This should
provide a bit of extra protection.

For all of you driving an I-6 like this one, I suggest you look at your
heater hoses and see if they are rubbing on anything like mine were. Sure
will save you some grief while out off-roading, etc.

Happy Motoring!


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:17:06 PST
From: 2insane excite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Water Pump

my 89 f-150 302's water pump is leaking. Going to buy a new one but thought
i'd ask if anyone has any opinion of a good replacement or what i should
get. also how much of a job is this? would it be easier to get someone to do
it or should I attempt it myself? knowledge level for me? basicaly a oil
changer or a little higher. I got time and the energy to learn how though.
Thanks for any information.

DK




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Date: 20 Nov 99 12:53:27 CST
From: Ritchie Pat
Subject: FTE 80-96 - How much is too much mileage...

Dear Ford fans,

A few years ago I fell in love with the 1995 Ford F-150. Wouldn't even =
begin
to call myself a truck expert or even know more than the very basics abou=
t
vehicles. Can't say why but that model truck is awesome! Anywho, I've b=
een
searching for a 95 F-150 2X4, w/extended cab, two tone, CD, power, trimme=
d out
nicely, shell on the back and bedliner. =


Until this last weekend, everything I found was too much to afford
considering the family needs vs. my play toys. Last weekend I found some=
thing
VERY close to what I want and the price is right -- I think! And that is=
my
reason for writing... I'm interested in your opinions about this particul=
ar
vehicle and some of the other factors you may have experienced.

Here's the truck:
1994 F-150, 2X4, extended cab
302 motor, Strong, no visible leaks, burns no oil
Automatic transmission
Factory Cassette
Cruise
All power inside
Cloth interior
Black/Silver paint scheme
Oversized tires on alloy rims (about 20k on them)
Shell and bedliner
Dual Fuel tanks
Tinted glass
$10,000

Now here's the issues...
It's got 122,000 total miles - owner lives 30 highway miles from where we=
work
so, needless to say, after 4 years of daily comuting that racks up the mi=
les. =

He bought it from the original owner who had it two years and put 60K hig=
hway
miles on it (so he claimed). This gentleman has maintained the vehicle
religiously. 3k mile oil changes, 6k mile tire rotations and alignments,=
etc.
There is no visible rust or signs of ever having body work done, the int=
erior
is well kept and overall the vehicle is in outstanding shape. He DID hav=
e the
transmission rebuilt two years ago after the overdrive light went out (or=
came
on, whichever is not good) and had the "clock gear" in the steering colu=
mn
replaced for some other problem. No problems since. My biggest concern =
is by
far the mileage, but even NADA book value is 11K+. He's had a few bites,=
but
all prospective buyers turned away due to the high mileage.

Bottom line, is this just a great deal that comes once in a while or shou=
ld I
steer clear because of trends or problems with this truck???

I apologize for the long post, but I want to give you a clear picture of =
the
vehicle and the facts I know about it. I would very much appreciate any
comments you have about this situation. Of course, time is of the essenc=
e
since it is on the open market.

Thank you very much,
Pat Ritchie

Signed,
Pat

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:52:18 PST
From: 2insane excite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Intro and a few Q's

Not positive but i'm pretty sure my friends 88 f-150 has a carb I6. manual
tranny too. not positive again but think 5 gears on it.
my ? $.02 ?





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Date: 20 Nov 99 12:38:17 PST
From: Robert Moffatt
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 81 4.9 L six cylinder

This is the first time i've tried to post a message to the list. Apologi=
es in
advanced.

I just finished over hauling the engine in an 81 F150 4.9L six cylinder l=
ast
monday.

1. If i remember correctly... There is a notch in the pully, somewhat beh=
ind
the pully and i believe that this corresponds to TDC of the number one pi=
ston.
That is assuming the timing marks on the cam gear and the crank gear wer=
e
properly aligned. I had some white out on the outer rim of the pulley so=
i
could see it better when setting the ignition timing. Now, i think that
inside the engine compartment it calls to set the timing to 6 degrees BTD=
C. =

There are markings on the timing cover. They may be hard to see if your =
cover
is dirty. I can give more specific details if needed. I think that is w=
hy
someone else suggested the 10 degrees (approximation) BTDC setting.

2. I'm having trouble finding where one vacuum hose goes to. This is a
california vehicle. The hose in question is a yellow hose (this truck ha=
s a
number of different colored hoses). As best i can make out from the diag=
ram
the hose should run from the distributer advance to the carburator to a p=
ort
labeled "s" between a black hose (to port "3") and a white hose (to port =
"E").
I've located the other two hoses but i dont see a connector for this las=
t
yellow hose. I acquired this truck after the engine overheated so i don'=
t
know if this is the original carburator. I did not remove the carburator=
or
any of the vacuum hoses when overhauling the engine. I'm not sure if this=
hose
was actually ever mounted before i removed the engine. Can anyone give a=
ny
advice?

thank's in advance. robert.

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 99 13:22:21 -0800
From: James Poylio
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - crooked truck bed

My '90 F150 has a bed that leans a bit to the left-- thought it was my
imagination until I looked at the leaf springs. One-half of one of the
center leaves on the left is broken off; missing. I plan to replace the
spring
assembly soon. You might crawl under your truck and see if the springs
are all intact.

James P.

>I have a 91 350 crewcab and the bed seems to be lower on the right side
>of the truck. I have seen this before on other trucks, is it bad leaf
>springs? warn out shock? tweaked frame? any answers??????thanks
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:35:58 -0800
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ZF and M5OD gearing...

>Does anyone know what to look for Externally, in identifying the ZF trans
>from the mazda trans? Does anyone know if the ZF trans has the same bolt
>pattern as the Mazda trans to bolt up to my existing tranfer case? Has
>anyone done this swap yet?
>
>Phil Beattie
>66 F100
>79 F250 4x4
>91 F150 4x4
>www.geocities.com/imstobu

I'm sure the mazda tranny is a one piece (Clutch bell houseing and gear box
are a single unit). I believe the ZF is a two piece.

An easy way of telling would be to look at the safety compliance sticker on
the driver side door jam. The trans code will tell you. I don't know the
code designation for the ZF but the mazda is "M".

If anyone out there has a ZF 5spd in their truck, I would be very
interested in knowing what the sticker code is. Also, probably need to know
the year and model as there are ?two? different versions of the ZF being
used in Ford trucks.

Mark


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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:43:25 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - crooked truck bed

In a message dated 11/20/1999 4:23:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
poyliojh ix.netcom.com writes:


imagination until I looked at the leaf springs. One-half of one of the
center leaves on the left is broken off; missing. I plan to replace the
spring
assembly soon. You might crawl under your truck and see if the springs
are all intact.

James P. >>
I have the same problem, same side...

Joe
Lost in jersey
92 F150 Nite
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:42:20 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Water Pump

At 10:17 20/11/99 PST, DK wrote:
>my 89 f-150 302's water pump is leaking. Going to buy a new one but thought
>i'd ask if anyone has any opinion of a good replacement or what i should
>get. also how much of a job is this? would it be easier to get someone to do
>it or should I attempt it myself? knowledge level for me? basicaly a oil
>changer or a little higher. I got time and the energy to learn how though.
>Thanks for any information.

Get any waterpump from a good supplier. It does not really matter. It is a
fairly easy job to do. It would be good if you had a book to guide you the
first time (or an experienced person standing around). I wouldn't pay
anyone to do it.

You have so much room under the hood there, it makes it pretty easy. Spray
the gasket with some gasket sealant and make sure the mounting surfaces are
all good and clean.

Put an extra can of "rust inhibitor and waterpump lube" in the system when
you put it all back together, and keep the antifreeze fresh (change every 3
years -- 5 years with the fancy orange extended life stuff) and all will do
well.

Consider replacing all the hoses and the thermostat while you have it all
apart, unless you know they are pretty new.

Good luck.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:03:09 -0600
From: "Webdoc"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - How much is too much mileage...

Pat,

I just went through the same experience. Mine was a '94 F-150 XL with
extended cab. It has the I6 300. The previous owner is a service
technician for a company that makes air quality monitoring equipment for
industrial plants. Needless to say, he had put a LOT of highway miles on
the truck (172,000). It has been meticulously maintained, the interior is
in excellent shape, and hell, he even kept a service log and all his parts
receipts! Looking through the glove box, I found the original owners manual
for the truck, stereo, warranty folder, and even the salesman's card... all
in a nice leather folder. She drives like new. I got it for $5500.

The point to all this rambling... if you like the truck, and have a
reasonably good gut feeling about the mechanical condition, forget the
mileage. We all know how relative that is. I'd much rather have a high
mileage vehicle that has been well kept than one with low mileage that has
been abused and neglected!

Just my two cents worth!!!!!

Travis

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From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ritchie Pat
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 12:53 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - How much is too much mileage...


Dear Ford fans,

A few years ago I fell in love with the 1995 Ford F-150. Wouldn't even
begin
to call myself a truck expert or even know more than the very basics about
vehicles. Can't say why but that model truck is awesome! Anywho, I've been
searching for a 95 F-150 2X4, w/extended cab, two tone, CD, power, trimmed
out
nicely, shell on the back and bedliner.

Until this last weekend, everything I found was too much to afford
considering the family needs vs. my play toys. Last weekend I found
something
VERY close to what I want and the price is right -- I think! And that is my
reason for writing... I'm interested in your opinions about this particular
vehicle and some of the other factors you may have experienced.

Here's the truck:
1994 F-150, 2X4, extended cab
302 motor, Strong, no visible leaks, burns no oil
Automatic transmission
Factory Cassette
Cruise
All power inside
Cloth interior
Black/Silver paint scheme
Oversized tires on alloy rims (about 20k on them)
Shell and bedliner
Dual Fuel tanks
Tinted glass
$10,000

Now here's the issues...
It's got 122,000 total miles - owner lives 30 highway miles from where we
work
so, needless to say, after 4 years of daily comuting that racks up the
miles.
He bought it from the original owner who had it two years and put 60K
highway
miles on it (so he claimed). This gentleman has maintained the vehicle
religiously. 3k mile oil changes, 6k mile tire rotations and alignments,
etc.
There is no visible rust or signs of ever having body work done, the
interior
is well kept and overall the vehicle is in outstanding shape. He DID have
the
transmission rebuilt two years ago after the overdrive light went out (or
came
on, whichever is not good) and had the "clock gear" in the steering column
replaced for some other problem. No problems since. My biggest concern is
by
far the mileage, but even NADA book value is 11K+. He's had a few bites,
but
all prospective buyers turned away due to the high mileage.

Bottom line, is this just a great deal that comes once in a while or should
I
steer clear because of trends or problems with this truck???

I apologize for the long post, but I want to give you a clear picture of the
vehicle and the facts I know about it. I would very much appreciate any
comments you have about this situation. Of course, time is of the essence
since it is on the open market.

Thank you very much,
Pat Ritchie

Signed,
Pat

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:01:10 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - crooked truck bed

>I have a 91 350 crewcab and the bed seems to be lower on the right side
>of the truck. I have seen this before on other trucks, is it bad leaf
>springs? warn out shock? tweaked frame? any answers??????thanks
>

Worn shocks will not affect static ride height, unless a presurized gas
shock has leaked the gas or the bushings are gone.

Park the truck on a smooth, level surface. Measure on both sides, front,
middle, and rear, from the ground:

to the axle;
to the frame;
to the bottom of the bed or cab.

Comparing the differences between the measurements at each location will
isolate the problem fairly quickly.

Individual bed mounts are pretty flimsy, strength in numbers and such. If a
heavy, compact load was carried it could have crushed a mount or 2. My
brother-in-law stopped buying pickups to tote dies around because of such
problems.

Hope this helps.

Ken




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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:13:58 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Shocks

>I have dual front shock on my 84 F-150
>can I take one shock out to make it ride better?
>and which one should i take front or rear on the front??
>thanks
>right now it rides real stiff and i have ridden in one shock 4x4's like
>mine
>and they ride much better..
>any help?

If you take 1 shock out, your truck will be seriously under-dampened. Both
of my 83 Broncos that still have stock TTBs are double shocks, and they ride
smooth.

Perhaps someone bolted in shocks intended for single shock applications. If
so, the truck is seriously over-dampened. One of my Broncos had such a set
up. I checked the part numbers on the receipt from when the previous owner
had the shocks installed, and they were they WRONG SHOCKS! A set of Gabriels
made a wonderful difference.

Multiple shocks are not intended to increase damping over single shock
setups--that could be done with a simple shock oil change. The reason for
multiple shockes is to redue the heat the shocks develop by increasing the
amount of fluid involved and the cooling area of the hydraulic system. Some
shocks even have oil coolers attatched.

I suggest removing a shock from each side and driving over a bump. You will
know right quick if overdamping is the problem. Multiple shocks are a
desirable advantage. I expect wrong shocks is the problem, if it is a
problem with the shocks. The suspension could be binding elsewhere, and that
has nothing to do with the shocks.

Good luck.
Ken

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:25:37 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - How much is too much mileage...

Mileage doesn't kill vehicles, neglect and abuse does. Most any vehicle will
go 200 000 miles if properly maintained and driven. A friend has a 67 F-100
with 330 000. He pulled the still-running original 360 and tranny in favor
of a 460 and C6. The motor had never had the valve covers off and is now in
another 67, still running fine with a tad of oil smoke in the exhaust.

I would be sure to budget a repair fund because miles are miles, though.
Also, get a couple of good manuals. Do you have the tools to do common
maintenance and repairs? Are you willing to accept the challenge of learning
about newer technologies?

Also, check both fuel tanks--I understand the pumps are week for FIs, prone
to fail, and very expensive.

Ken

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:33:20 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - crooked truck bed

My parents had a motorhome on an '90 E-350 Econoline chassis that ate rear
springs. I don't know if they are the same as the F-350.

Ken

>In a message dated 11/20/1999 4:23:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>poyliojh ix.netcom.com writes:
>
>
> imagination until I looked at the leaf springs. One-half of one of the
> center leaves on the left is broken off; missing. I plan to replace the
> spring
> assembly soon. You might crawl under your truck and see if the springs
> are all intact.
>
> James P. >>
>I have the same problem, same side...
>
>Joe
>Lost in jersey
>92 F150 Nite
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:58:24 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ranger or Full Size?

I would like to upgrade from my 76 F250 to a early to mid 90s pickup,
with 4wd, automatic, and extended cab. I don't need weight capacity,
and am looking for the best available vehicle. I really don't have a
preference as to size, so either size range would be fine.

I know this is a dumb question, but is there any real bad years, etc.
for either size vehicles, or something I should know? For example, when
I bought my 91 Bronco last year, some research showed me that the 88
Broncos (if I recall) used a unique fwd hub setup and, therefore, was
probably less desirable than 89 to 91s. Anything like that on the
pickups I should know?

My experience with trucks is now: 91 Bronco, 86 S10, 53 and 55 F100s,
and the 76.

Thanks.

Paul Gayda
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:11:42 -0600
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ZF and M5OD gearing...

>I'm sure the mazda tranny is a one piece (Clutch bell houseing and gear box
>are a single unit). I believe the ZF is a two piece.
>
>An easy way of telling would be to look at the safety compliance sticker on
>the driver side door jam. The trans code will tell you. I don't know the
>code designation for the ZF but the mazda is "M".
>
>If anyone out there has a ZF 5spd in their truck, I would be very
>interested in knowing what the sticker code is. Also, probably need to know....


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