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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 88 460
FTE 80-96 - gearbox
FTE 80-96 - RE: R12 vs R134a
FTE 80-96 - Bronco
Re: FTE 80-96 - gearbox
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold again (soon to be replaced)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Intake Reseal
Re: FTE 80-96 - R138 vs R12
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco
FTE 80-96 - RE: Online Survey & rough running/pinging
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: the SPAM
Re: FTE 80-96 - Damper removal
FTE 80-96 - Intake Install
Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 460
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Online Survey & rough running/pinging
Re: FTE 80-96 - 10 MPH
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: R12 vs R134a
FTE 80-96 - Cold starting problem
FTE 80-96 - re:no cruise
Re: FTE 80-96 - re:no cruise
Re: FTE 80-96 - Pics of Lowered Trucks
Re: FTE 80-96 - R-34 refrigerant
Re: FTE 80-96 - Intake Reseal
Re: FTE 80-96 - gearbox
Re: FTE 80-96 - R-34 refrigerant

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:19:06 -0800
From: Doug Arnold
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 88 460

> We got an 88 460 one-ton with 90000 miles to pull our travel trailer. It's
> time for an oil change. What oil wieght should I use?

Doug

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:07:14 +0100 (CET)
From: Wojtek Wysocki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gearbox

Hi.
I own ford f-150 manufactured in 1990. This is v8 5.0 4x4 version with
manual 5 gear gearbox. Mayby somone know how to recognize with gearbox i
have instaled in my car??? I don't know it is mazda od zof???

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cyborg studiokwadrat.com.pl
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:09:13 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: R12 vs R134a

>>The only reason we have these a/c questions is that the patent on
>>DuPont's R12 was about to run out....what to do, to keep the price
>>up?...get some of your Democrat buddies in congress to declare an
>>ecological problem and....surprise....DuPont is ready with R138, and a
>>fresh new patent! Just in the nick of time! I thought Freon was
>>heavier than air; I thought the ozone hole was up, not down!

Here is the company that DuPont doesn't want you to know about. The
founder/inventor is a Purdue professor who gained national fame/notoriety
for lighting a charcoal grill for David Letterman... using liquid oxygen!
His personal website http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/ has pictures, audio, and
video. His company website http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autofrost.com/ has a lot of
information on automotive air conditioning in general and his
Freon-substitute in particular.
Disclaimer: I have never used this product, nor met Dr. Goble, nor
am I in any way affiliated with his company. I present this information
merely as an item of interest. Having said that, I might also add that
the man's credentials are very good. Purdue is one of the finest
engineering and technical schools in the world (right up there with
Georgia Tech, Jim!) and I often see Dr. Goble's screamin' yellow Hummer
driving about West Lafayette.

lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150 300ci good A/C
'73 F100 FE no A/C
'98 VT1100 Aero natural A/C
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:40:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Creston Dempsey
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Bronco

I know this is alittle off topic but I was wondering
if any of you Bronco owners out there had any pictures
of you truck that I could use on my site?

thanks in advance

This is my site
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://monsterman18.tripod.com/

you can email me at
bigcool17 yahoo.com

Creston Dempsey
94 Bronco XLT 302


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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:31:02 -0800
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - gearbox

As far as I know the ZF gearbox was only used on F-250/350 trucks with 351
or 460 engines. Yours is a Mazda gearbox.

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje mindspring.com
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From: Wojtek Wysocki
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Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 8:09 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gearbox


>Hi.
>I own ford f-150 manufactured in 1990. This is v8 5.0 4x4 version with
>manual 5 gear gearbox. Mayby somone know how to recognize with gearbox i
>have instaled in my car??? I don't know it is mazda od zof???
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:45:01 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold again (soon to be replaced)

- ----- Original Message -----
> Smeck, what is the cowl-hood gasket?

A LONG (~ 4ft) rubber strip that seals the crack between the cowl (directly
in front of winshield, where the fresh air comes in) and the hood. It's
there to keep water off the engine. If yours is missing or leaking water
onto the engine, you should fix soon. Otherwise your new headers will
probably rust out sooner than they normally would!
IMHO this part does not get the respect it deserves 8^))
my .02
Smeck

> James Poylio
> 1990 F150
> EFI 302 V8, 106k miles
> 4x4, SC long bed
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:54:50 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Intake Reseal

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Salvetti

> The thing I'm worried about is getting the EGR valve off. The large nut
> that holds the metal line to the bottom of the valve is badly rusted.
I've
> been hitting it with penetrant every now and then for a while, but it
> doesn't look like it's going to move.

Hey Mark, Try Kroil...........
Smeck

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 06:28:06 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - R138 vs R12

Paul wrote:

> The only reason we have these a/c questions is that the patent on
> DuPont's R12 was about to run out....what to do, to keep the price
> up?...get some of your Democrat buddies in congress to declare an
> ecological problem and....surprise....DuPont is ready with R138, and a
> fresh new patent! Just in the nick of time! I thought Freon was
> heavier than air; I thought the ozone hole was up, not down!
>
> Paul G.

Ahah - But the biggest hole is way down under, at the south pole :- ) We've
been told to stop the cows from farting.......

Regards
Les
Lost in the land of OZ



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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:22:53 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco

Sure, you can have one.
Go to:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://sites.nstcsape.net/nwbronco/homepage

Bob


Creston Dempsey wrote:

> I know this is alittle off topic but I was wondering
> if any of you Bronco owners out there had any pictures
> of you truck that I could use on my site?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> This is my site
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://monsterman18.tripod.com/
>
> you can email me at
> bigcool17 yahoo.com
>
> Creston Dempsey
> 94 Bronco XLT 302
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:40:17 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Online Survey & rough running/pinging

This looked JUST like a LOT of the SPAM I get daily!!!
I wonder mightily how it got on the digest????

My '92 F-150 5.0 has picked up a rough running after start (a bit of
throttle smooths it out), and a mild case of pinging (on the back tank
after being ok on the front, though that DID NOT affect the rough running!)

It has Motorcraft wires WELL seperated, and it gets Texaco gas mostly.

Heck it has 196,980 or so right now... still pulled my trailer ok... guess
I can't complain!

Well, just the complaint about the TONS of spam I must wade through!!!

Dave H.
Houston, TX
(add to my resume, Welder (not great looking welds, but HECK for strong)
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:03:41 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: the SPAM

To all Ford Truck Enthusiasts list members:

A spammer subscribed to all our mailing lists and
managed to post his garbage to two of the lists
before I managed to put a halt to it. As you may
know, we take measures to fight spam and protect
email addresses, including, but not limited to, use
of a robots.txt exclusion file, POP before sendmail
confirmation, subscription confirmation for the
discussion groups and blocking web access to known
email harvesting sites.

However, even with all these measures, there is
nothing that can be done against a spammer who
subscribes, confirms the subscription and then
spam. The spammer has been blocked from the lists
so they cannot post again. We have, however, not
unsubscribed them. This means they cannot unsubsribe
and will have to find a way to deal with the 100s
of emails the live lists sends out.

Please do not make the problem worse by posting about
it here, the issue has been resolved. I strongly
urge you to send email the spammers TRUE email address
at ldchen webresearch.8m.com and express your thoughts.

We are preparing a bill for them for the time spent
to block their email address and to clean up their
spam from the lists. We've notified them that we
will seek a small claims case if we are not paid since
the FAQ clearly states that anyone who spams the lists
will be billed for the cleanup.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:24:26 EST
From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Damper removal

Jason,
I just had a Jasper engine installed in my '93 F150. It came as a
Class 1, towing motor. The camshaft is a CompuCam # 364211 from Crane. It is
mild, about 10-15% hp increase with good low end torque.
Specs are: duration 260* intake, 270* exhaust, duration .050 lift 198*
intake, 208* exhaust. With a 1.6 Ford rocker arm ratio, lift at valve is .445
in., .470 ex.. Good idle.
Now for the bolt in the crankshaft end. It takes a little patience or a good
impact wrench to remove it OR Get on it with the socket and strike the
ratchet handle sharply a few times and this should loosen it without much
turning of the crank. There is a torque recommendation when re-installing
damper.
Good Luck,
Bill B.
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:25:03 -0800
From: "S.Harkema"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Intake Install

>I think I'm going to tackle resealing my intake this weekend.

>Do your best to keep gunk out of the engine. Plan on an oil and filter
>change (no Frams) just to be on the safe side. Cheap insurance.


Good advice,also get gasket adhesive for the end seals and glue them to
the block.Try to lower the intake straght down as opposed to sliding it
into place.Also drop the distributer into place before any bolts.
This helps line the manifold up.
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:51:40 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 460

At 07:19 12/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
>> We got an 88 460 one-ton with 90000 miles to pull our travel trailer. It's
>> time for an oil change. What oil wieght should I use?
>
>Doug

Depends on where you live and what temperatures you expect to see (low and
high). Between now and next oil change, do you expect it to freeze at
night? How hot does it get there in the summer?

Depends on how you use the truck when you are not towing the trailer. How
heavy is the trailer? What speed do you run with the trailer? You can
probably go 75 or 80 with that big block V-8 (uphill).

Does the engine use any oil now? What weight oil are you using now?


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:47:56 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Online Survey & rough running/pinging

At 16:40 12/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>This looked JUST like a LOT of the SPAM I get daily!!!
>I wonder mightily how it got on the digest????
>
>My '92 F-150 5.0 has picked up a rough running after start (a bit of
>throttle smooths it out), and a mild case of pinging (on the back tank
>after being ok on the front, though that DID NOT affect the rough running!)
>
>It has Motorcraft wires WELL seperated, and it gets Texaco gas mostly.

Sounds like dirty or sticky fuel injector. Just one, just a little bit.

>Heck it has 196,980 or so right now... still pulled my trailer ok... guess
>I can't complain!

True.

Sure do LOVE this cooler weather! 50's in the morning and a high of 80
during the day! If it could only stay this way...

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:58:46 -0500
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 10 MPH

On 4 Nov 99, at 10:30, Tom Higgins wrote:

>While I agree with you in general that speeding isn't worth it
>there are places and situations where it makes quite a difference.
>In the west, the distance between two points geographically is
>beyond realistic comprehension to most easterners (not sure where
>you are located). I used to drive Reno to Las Vegas which is 450
>miles. At 55 mph that is 8.1 hours of driving time. At 65 miles
>per hour it is 6.9 hours of driving time. That saves over an hour
>of driving per trip and 65 is certainly safe on that road. Of
>course, this is a moot point. The speed limit is now 70 and even
>when it wasn't the police wouldn't pull you over at 75 as long as you
>weren't in one of the few "towns" you would pass through.

But you figure that probably most of us live in towns where there is
a lot of traffic. Here in Ocala, Florida, the road construction is
going along two of the major highways right now, SR 40 and Hwy
27. They run parallel to each other, so therefore the only other
roads that can be taken to bypass the construction areas are
either 326 which is many miles out of the way, or fight SR 200 that
is bumper to bumper during rush hour.

The roads weren't built to handle such massive amounts of traffic in
this area. Going 10 MPh over? That's sure to have an accident
when someone gets frustrated in waiting for an opening from a side
street and doesn't realize that you are going so fast in most cases.

Then it'll only get you to the next stop light a little faster than the
rest of the folks, only to have to use the brakes more and you burn
up so much more gas for the extra speed.

Sorry, not worth the extra wear I can save on my truck, and no
need to make myself late to get to my destination either because
of an accident, or a ticket.

>HHHMMMM....couple the above with the fact that I could move back to a no
>smog
>county and suddenly I long to move back home.


You might be a redneck if... Your class reunion is a keg party in
the woods. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:13:34 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: R12 vs R134a

At 11:09 12/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
> Here is the company that DuPont doesn't want you to know about. The
>founder/inventor is a Purdue professor who gained national fame/notoriety
>for lighting a charcoal grill for David Letterman... using liquid oxygen!
> His personal website http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/ has pictures, audio, and
>video. His company website http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autofrost.com/ has a lot of
>information on automotive air conditioning in general and his
>Freon-substitute in particular.

This is one of several "blends" that are out there to replace R-12. One of
the components is butane, the same stuff you have in your Bic lighter. One
of the more intersting is a 50/50 mix of propane and butane! If (when) you
have a leak, you risk having something electrical in your car or truck
igniting it. ~8-O

The real practical problem with blends, even if they are not flamable, is
that the different components tend to leak out of your system at different
rates. We tend to think of gases as all being the same, but at high
pressure and through very small leaks, the smaller molecules tend to escape
first. This means that your blend actually changes composition over time.
When you add more from the can, it is at the correct blend mix, but when
mixed with the stuff that did not leak yet, the system is not really at the
correct mix. It is pretty much impossible for a home mechanic to figure out
how much of each component to charge into the system to get the balance
back right. A hassle.

You are better off to stick to single component gases that can just be
charged back in when you need more.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:20:21 -0600
From: "Webdoc"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Cold starting problem

Greetings fellow list members,

I just aquired a '94 F150 to take a little of the load off my old '84. When
I try to start it when cold, it usually takes a couple of trys to get it
started. She runs fine after that. I've replaced the plugs (with NGK's),
the distributor cap, and rotor. Even ran a tank of injector cleaner through
it. Didn't seem to help. I'm a rookie at diagnosing fuel injection
problems, but is it possible the idle bypass valve is sticking or gummed up?
Any of you FI vets have any ideas? BTW, it's the I6 300.

TIA,

Doc
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:51:12 -0500
From: hirisrider
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re:no cruise

>Dan,

>There is, I believe, more then one fuse location for the cruise. Check
>under the hood. Also, if your horn has stopped working and your airbag
>light is flashing, you have a problem with your clock spring.
>
>hirisrider wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I noticed that my cruise control stopped working a couple weeks ago.I
>> checked the fuse and all is well.Other than that, I don't know where to
>> start.Any ideas or input is greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks Dan
>
hirisrider mindspring.com

Thanks Flagship.I'll check it out this morning.But... what's a clock
spring.Is it like a henway.

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:28:54 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re:no cruise

Nope. Actually I haven't seen a henway in many years. A clock spring
allows the inpute from the horn button and cruise control buttons to go
through a turning steering wheel. It's merely a multi-path wire coiled
like a clock spring. I forget the code it flashes. I believe it's 123
or 132 in the air bag light. Good luck...



hirisrider wrote:
>
> >Dan,
>
> >There is, I believe, more then one fuse location for the cruise. Check
> >under the hood. Also, if your horn has stopped working and your airbag
> >light is flashing, you have a problem with your clock spring.
> >
> >hirisrider wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> I noticed that my cruise control stopped working a couple weeks ago.I
> >> checked the fuse and all is well.Other than that, I don't know where to
> >> start.Any ideas or input is greatly appreciated.
> >> Thanks Dan
> >
> hirisrider mindspring.com
>
> Thanks Flagship.I'll check it out this morning.But... what's a clock
> spring.Is it like a henway.
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:56:13 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Pics of Lowered Trucks

You can get a standard manufactured lowered style I beam for our trucks. The
best one to buy them through would be AIM industries(www.truckin.com). They
are one of the best in the business and the beams are solid....not the round
hollow style (crappy).
I have done a 2-3 drop on mine with the front springs and the rear
shackles/spring removal. I can still haul a decent load and it looks good
too.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:16:53 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - R-34 refrigerant

I am EPA Universal Certified.....
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 flareside SC
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:32:56 -0600
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Intake Reseal

>The thing I'm worried about is getting the EGR valve off. The large nut
>that holds the metal line to the bottom of the valve is badly rusted. I've
>been hitting it with penetrant every now and then for a while, but it
>doesn't look like it's going to move. Should I just take off the two bolts
>that hold the valve to the intake manifold? Or is that going to be a
>mistake?

That nut should come off pretty easily. If not, just heat it a little with
an acetylene torch a little. Put some bees wax on it when it is hot. The
capilary action will pull it into the theads and it will easily come off.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:29:25 -0600
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - gearbox

>As far as I know the ZF gearbox was only used on F-250/350 trucks with 351
>or 460 engines. Yours is a Mazda gearbox.
>

If a ZF bolts up to a 351 Windsor, will it bolt right up to a 302?


Blake
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