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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 94 Ranger XLT
RE: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150
FTE 80-96 - test
FTE 80-96 - test
Re: FTE 80-96 - 94 Ranger XLT
FTE 80-96 - no cruise
Re: FTE 80-96 - no cruise
RE: FTE 80-96 - 94 Ranger XLT
RE: FTE 80-96 - Loose Antenna
Re: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150
Re: FTE 80-96 - R-34 refrigerant
FTE 80-96 - R138 vs R12
Re: FTE 80-96 - Pics of Lowered Trucks
FTE 80-96 - Travelling to Santa Clara
FTE 80-96 - AOD lost O/D
Re:FTE 80-96 - R-34 refrigerant
Re: FTE 80-96 - R138 vs R12
FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold again (soon to be replaced)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold again (soon to be replaced)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold again (soon to be replaced)
FTE 80-96 - Catalytic converter? Catalytic converter? Catalytic converter?
FTE 80-96 - Intake Reseal
Re: FTE 80-96 - Intake Reseal

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:17:13 -0600 (CST)
From: falcon wmmrmail.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 94 Ranger XLT

What are the biggest tires that can be installed onto a STOCK 94 Ranger XLT 2X4?

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:46:28 -0600
From: "Moore, Jimmy"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150

Michael,

When you say "computer" are you referring to the "brain" that's mounted on
the wheel wall? That's the only computerized thing I am aware of on my '81.
Also, I looked, and I see no electrical wires coming from my carb, just
plenty of vacuum lines. I have changed my carb out several times, replacing
with a reman from Holley. This last one, I tried to adjust, and the idle
adjustment screw makes no difference. At idle, in gear, I have a bad miss.
Give it some gas, and it mostly goes away. The lights flicker, as well.
The radio, which I have hot wired into the fuse box due to lack of wires in
the dash, also will flicker off and on (which is terribly embarrassing when
the radio is loud!). I have replaced the plugs and wires. We tried to use
a timing light, but it didn't register. I assume that is because I don't
have a belt or chain, I have two interlocking gears (which are a b***h to
replace). Someone said bring the number one piston up, but I'm not sure
what to look for. I tried that, but just tapping the ignition, and shining
a flashlight in, but I cannot really see anything in there. By the way, why
in the world did Ford put the air conditioner compressor on top of the
number one piston? Everytime I change my plugs, I have to remove the
compressor. Anyway, since my truck developed this miss, my gas mileage and
power has gone to pot. Beforehand, I would get about 15 mpg, but now I'm
lucky to get 10-11. It's really annoying.

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From: Michael McCarthy [mailto:mpmccarthy worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:58 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150


Jimmy,

The TPS is the Throttle Position Sensor and it should be located somewhere
on the carburetor. It is connected to the throttle shaft and senses the
position of the throttle. It sends the throttle position information to the
computer which probably (this is a guess) advances or retards the timing
depending on how heavy your foot is on the accelerator. I'll look that up to
give a more definitive answer, or I am sure someone will correct me.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

- -----Original Message-----
From: Moore, Jimmy
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 6:36 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150


>Not to sound too dumb here, but what is the TPS, and where is it located on
>my 300 Six?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Norris [mailto:anorris allenpress.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 9:26 AM
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150
>
>
>
>Seemed to make a world of difference in my '89. Mine was acting up enough
>that I was thinking I'd just had a lemon unloaded on me. When the new TPS
>went in, though, the thing sounded great. I sure am glad I did buy this
>truck. It cured my never-having-anything-to-spend-money-on problem.
>
>Andy
>
>
>At 05:16 PM 11/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Does the TPS matter all that much?
>>
>>Michael McCarthy
>>Export, PA
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:32:44 -0600
From: "Allen Collins"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - test

Test please do not respond

Allen

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:38:56 -0600
From: "Allen Collins"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - test

Test please do not respond

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:56:47 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 94 Ranger XLT

I have a 95 Ranger that originally had 236/60-15's I believe. I
replaced those with 235/75-15's. The place I bought them thought they
might occasionally rub but they never have. the fill the wheel wells
nicely...

falcon wmmrmail.com wrote:
>
> What are the biggest tires that can be installed onto a STOCK 94 Ranger XLT 2X4?
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:55:17 -0500
From: hirisrider
Subject: FTE 80-96 - no cruise

Hi all,
I noticed that my cruise control stopped working a couple weeks ago.I
checked the fuse and all is well.Other than that, I don't know where to
start.Any ideas or input is greatly appreciated.
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:05:01 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - no cruise

Dan,

There is, I believe, more then one fuse location for the cruise. Check
under the hood. Also, if your horn has stopped working and your airbag
light is flashing, you have a problem with your clock spring.

hirisrider wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I noticed that my cruise control stopped working a couple weeks ago.I
> checked the fuse and all is well.Other than that, I don't know where to
> start.Any ideas or input is greatly appreciated.
> Thanks Dan hirisrider mindspring.com
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:38:47 -0600
From: "Moore, Jimmy"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 94 Ranger XLT

On my '81 F-150, I run 235/70's on the front and 255/70's on the rear.

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From: flagship worldnet.att.net [mailto:flagship worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 8:57 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 94 Ranger XLT


I have a 95 Ranger that originally had 236/60-15's I believe. I
replaced those with 235/75-15's. The place I bought them thought they
might occasionally rub but they never have. the fill the wheel wells
nicely...

falcon wmmrmail.com wrote:
>
> What are the biggest tires that can be installed onto a STOCK 94 Ranger
XLT 2X4?
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:39:54 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Loose Antenna

Chris,

Same thing happened to me, antenna clipped by a branch. You might consider
replacing it with an automatic antenna. When you see a problem with a limb
just shut off the radio and the antenna retracts. Only problem is you have
to fill in the 4 holes in the fender since the stock bracket uses those
screws to attach it. I used a large solder gun and acid flux to fill them in
and filed it smooth. Then prime and paint it, but it is worth it.
Scott

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From: Chris McKinnon [SMTP:chrism cnx.net]

Thanks to all the knowhow of the list my antenna is repaired. The next step
is to remove the branch that knocked the antenna loose and also to replace
those screws with pop rivits or someting.
Wish me luck!
Chris

'84 F150
351W on propane
NP 435
NP 208
281K Km
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:42:29 -0500
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150

I am not familiar with an 81 but I would assume that earlier models may not
have had a TPS. If it isn't there don't worry about it.
From the sound of things you have a huge vacuum leak somewhere. The dead
give away for me was that adjusting the idle air mixture has no effect on
the idle. Same problem I had when I had a vacuum leak. The other sign is the
poor idle. Vacuum leak, most likely. I recommend that before you do anything
else to your truck you replace every cotton pickin' hose under the hood. A
vacuum leak screws up the timing and a dozen other things. By the way, MAKE
SURE you tighten the bolts on the intake manifold. That was the source of my
worst vacuum leak.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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From: Moore, Jimmy
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150


>Michael,
>
>When you say "computer" are you referring to the "brain" that's mounted on
>the wheel wall? That's the only computerized thing I am aware of on my
'81.
>Also, I looked, and I see no electrical wires coming from my carb, just
>plenty of vacuum lines. I have changed my carb out several times,
replacing
>with a reman from Holley. This last one, I tried to adjust, and the idle
>adjustment screw makes no difference. At idle, in gear, I have a bad miss.
>Give it some gas, and it mostly goes away. The lights flicker, as well.
>The radio, which I have hot wired into the fuse box due to lack of wires in
>the dash, also will flicker off and on (which is terribly embarrassing when
>the radio is loud!). I have replaced the plugs and wires. We tried to use
>a timing light, but it didn't register. I assume that is because I don't
>have a belt or chain, I have two interlocking gears (which are a b***h to
>replace). Someone said bring the number one piston up, but I'm not sure
>what to look for. I tried that, but just tapping the ignition, and shining
>a flashlight in, but I cannot really see anything in there. By the way,
why
>in the world did Ford put the air conditioner compressor on top of the
>number one piston? Everytime I change my plugs, I have to remove the
>compressor. Anyway, since my truck developed this miss, my gas mileage and
>power has gone to pot. Beforehand, I would get about 15 mpg, but now I'm
>lucky to get 10-11. It's really annoying.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael McCarthy [mailto:mpmccarthy worldnet.att.net]
>Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:58 AM
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150
>
>
>Jimmy,
>
>The TPS is the Throttle Position Sensor and it should be located somewhere
>on the carburetor. It is connected to the throttle shaft and senses the
>position of the throttle. It sends the throttle position information to the
>computer which probably (this is a guess) advances or retards the timing
>depending on how heavy your foot is on the accelerator. I'll look that up
to
>give a more definitive answer, or I am sure someone will correct me.
>
>Michael McCarthy
>Export, PA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Moore, Jimmy
>To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
>Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 6:36 PM
>Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150
>
>
>>Not to sound too dumb here, but what is the TPS, and where is it located
on
>>my 300 Six?
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Andy Norris [mailto:anorris allenpress.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 9:26 AM
>>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>>Subject: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150
>>
>>
>>
>>Seemed to make a world of difference in my '89. Mine was acting up enough
>>that I was thinking I'd just had a lemon unloaded on me. When the new TPS
>>went in, though, the thing sounded great. I sure am glad I did buy this
>>truck. It cured my never-having-anything-to-spend-money-on problem.
>>
>>Andy
>>
>>
>>At 05:16 PM 11/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Does the TPS matter all that much?
>>>
>>>Michael McCarthy
>>>Export, PA
>>>
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:31:39 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - R-34 refrigerant

Hey Jim, I took both tests ~5 years ago. Attended a couple of classes
(Johnstone Supply was sponsoring at the time), crammed for a weekend and
passed my 609 certification. It wasn't all that hard and the "ticket" has
come in handy on more than one occaision 8^))
Smeck
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To:
> I have been looking into taking the EPA R-12 test. Check out:
>
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>
> Anyone ever do this test?



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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:36:58 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - R138 vs R12

The only reason we have these a/c questions is that the patent on
DuPont's R12 was about to run out....what to do, to keep the price
up?...get some of your Democrat buddies in congress to declare an
ecological problem and....surprise....DuPont is ready with R138, and a
fresh new patent! Just in the nick of time! I thought Freon was
heavier than air; I thought the ozone hole was up, not down!

Paul G.
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:01:14 EST
From: SlamedF150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Pics of Lowered Trucks

hey guy. i think i know what ur looking for. i myself have an 87 lowerd4/6
but still needs to go farther. i am planing to put airbags on it this winter,
and perhaps turn it into a show truck. i have lots of different fords lowered
so if anyone wants to see some sweet vehicles e-mail me back
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:44:53 PST
From: "Roger Lane"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Travelling to Santa Clara

I will be in Santa Clara CA next week (the 18th and 19th) if anybody in the
area wants to get together. You can email me offline.
lanero excite.com

Roger Lane

"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level
then beat you with experience."




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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:56:34 -0800
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AOD lost O/D

I have a 302 w/ AOD from a '92 Mustang in a '90 Ranger (didn't do the swap
myself). I don't know much about the history but the AOD had a shift kit
added and shifts pretty hard. Last week, the shift from 3rd into overdrive
started getting mushy and today overdrive quit alltogether. If I keep it
in drive, eveything's fine but as soon as I shift to O/D, it's as if it's
in neutral.

The fluid level looks ok, actually a little high, but it's an aftermarket
dip stick so I'm not sure just where it should normally read.

Is there anything else I can check or should I just bring it to the shop?
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:11:30 -0600
From: "DannyF"
Subject: Re:FTE 80-96 - R-34 refrigerant

>
> I have been looking into taking the EPA R-12 test. Check out:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.epatest.com/
>
> Anyone ever do this test?
>

Yes, but I took the Type I test. Already have a 30 lb jug of R-12 so I
don't need the mobile license. Type I is for small units that contain
5 lbs. or less. Needed it to get some R-22 for the house.

First place I tried to buy it from checked my license and then the
mgr turned me down. He said it was co. policy to refuse refrigerant
sales to anyone w/o a state certified contractor's license. Just went
to another place and got it.

The test is straight forward and taken from text you can download.
When your ready to take the test you go to certain area on the site
and start. Its timed but still fairly easy. If you know *nothing* about
AC operation, I imagine you could flunk. Cost: ~$35(if you pass).

Danny
danf01 worldnet.att.net
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:36:11 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - R138 vs R12

Whatever the politics, us little guys are still up the creek without a
paddle.

AC install status: evrything under the hood and dash is mounted. Out of town
tomorrow (color gaurd trailer towing) then the hoses and condenser go in
Saturday, followed by a flush, oil install, and a vacuum pump. R-134a should
be going in Monday, after 40 or so hours on the vacuum pump.

Ken

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 19:58:10 -0800
From: James Poylio
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold again (soon to be replaced)

Hello again,

thank you for the advice on exhaust manifolds and locating the whistle
in my engine, and (Ken Haley) for the dissertation on headers and tuned
exhaust.
It made for interesting reading; I knew *nothing* about headers before
finding this list. I'll probably order some from Hedman if I can't
find any used Mustang headers, and get rid of the exhaust manifolds.
After that, who knows? A pair of quiet Flowmaster mufflers and a dual
exhaust with H-pipe would be fun. I'll let you know how the headers are
in late December. That's the soonest I can get around to doing the work.

Smeck, what is the cowl-hood gasket? You said it's right above the driver
side manifold? I don't think dripping water is what caused the crack
in the manifold; it hardly ever rains here. But it's possible.

I probably owe a word of thanks to both Jim Cannon, for suggesting the
garden-hose-as-stethoscope idea for locating the engine whistle, and
to Mark Burgo for mentioning that the PS pump and alternator bearings
had made a whistle in his truck. I used the hose after work tonight, and
even so it took about half an hour in the warm wind from my radiator fan
before narrowing the source down to the general vicinity of the
alternator.
There's an auto parts store nearby that tests alternators and starters;
I'll have them hook it up to their machine on Saturday afternoon and see
if it makes the whistle there. If it does, it's too bad. Electrically
it's a very good alternator. If it doesn't, still too bad, since I'll
have to find the real source of the noise. I'll let you know.

There! A whole post and I didn't mention radar (oops) once.

James Poylio
1990 F150
EFI 302 V8, 106k miles
4x4, SC long bed
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:18:19 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold again (soon to be replaced)

Radar? Were those Ford-built GPVs he drove in M*A*S*H?

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:41:38 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold again (soon to be replaced)

At 19:58 11/11/99 -0800, James wrote:
>Hello again,
>
>thank you for the advice on...



>I used the hose after work tonight, and
>even so it took about half an hour in the warm wind from my radiator fan
>before narrowing the source down to the general vicinity of the
>alternator.
>There's an auto parts store nearby that tests alternators and starters;
>I'll have them hook it up to their machine on Saturday afternoon and see
>if it makes the whistle there. If it does, it's too bad. Electrically
>it's a very good alternator. If it doesn't, still too bad, since I'll
>have to find the real source of the noise. I'll let you know.

Sounds like a dry bearing. You can run cold engine without fanbelt for a
few minutes to see if noise goes away. Be careful. Alternator may not spin
fast enough on the bench to get it to make the noise. Usually the bench
test looks for any output at all and tests for bad diodes. Instead of a
general auto parts store, I use an alternator/starter shop for these sorts
of things. This is all these guys do all day, every day. You do not even
have to take it out of the truck for them to listen to it, maybe hook up
some instruments, and tell you what you have.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:30:43 EST
From: craig n eggerman
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Catalytic converter? Catalytic converter? Catalytic converter?

They rattle when the core gets broken up like from bouncing the cat on a
rock or submerging them
Craig
Eggerman juno.com
Casper,Wyoming
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:42:02 -0500
From: "Mark Salvetti"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Intake Reseal

I think I'm going to tackle resealing my intake this weekend. I have a 1986
F150, 5L. Been leaking oil from it for a while.

I think I have everything, been through the Haynes and a pretty good idea of
what I need to do. I've got the tool to disconnect the fuel lines, I have
all the gaskets (including new valve cover gaskets), and new tuneup parts
since it will be pretty easy to get to everything.

The thing I'm worried about is getting the EGR valve off. The large nut
that holds the metal line to the bottom of the valve is badly rusted. I've
been hitting it with penetrant every now and then for a while, but it
doesn't look like it's going to move. Should I just take off the two bolts
that hold the valve to the intake manifold? Or is that going to be a
mistake?

Also, my oil is pretty fresh. Am I likely to get crud or coolant into the
oil system? Should I plan on an immediate oil change when I get everything
back together? Any other tips welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Mark Salvetti
1986 F150 5L

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:39:02 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Intake Reseal

>I think I'm going to tackle resealing my intake this weekend. I have a
>1986
>F150, 5L. Been leaking oil from it for a while.
>
>I think I have everything, been through the Haynes and a pretty good idea
>of
>what I need to do. I've got the tool to disconnect the fuel lines, I have
>all the gaskets (including new valve cover gaskets), and new tuneup parts
>since it will be pretty easy to get to everything.
>
>The thing I'm worried about is getting the EGR valve off. The large nut
>that holds the metal line to the bottom of the valve is badly rusted. I've....


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