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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar???
FTE 80-96 - gearing
FTE 80-96 - Speeding, etc. E.O.T?
Re: FTE 80-96 - gearing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Stupid question
FTE 80-96 - R-34 refrigerant
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: (more) New feature for users
FTE 80-96 - Booster
Re: FTE 80-96 - gearing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: - Hesitation problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - reply
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar???
FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold
Re: FTE 80-96 - teachers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold
FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150 I6-300
Winch/Suspension lift: WAS: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:32:52 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar???

Andy,

Getting the kids involved is a grand idea. My 14-year-old son has a Bronco
of his own. He originally wanted 9 inches of lift and 44s, like mine. He
even bought the parts. He mowed a lot of yards to pay for those parts. Then
his lifetime best friend who happens to be a girl was crippled by a drunk
driver. His Bronco now measures about 7 inches between the asphalt and the
frame and rides on 17 inch diameter speed rated tires. The original SROD
4-spd, transfer case, and TTB have been replaced with a C4, hand controls so
Heather can drive it, too, and a dropped tube axle in 79 radius arms. Next
project is AC installation. The parts are here.

I've donated advice, welding skills, and steel to this project. Between
earning the money to buy parts and spinning the wrenches I know 2 kids who
don't have time to get into trouble.

The kids expect this reworked Bronco to carry them through college and
beyond.

These 2 kids also never miss a middle school game (John plays football and
baseball), a high school football game or marching band competition, to
support John's older sister (the one with musical talent), even though she
drives a C***y. It's a cool S-10, though, with a W-30 Olds 455 and a
Toronado transaxle in the back.

Every afternoon there are a half dozen or more kids, boys and girls, hanging
in the barn. One work bench is kept clear for doing homework together. There
are always sodas in the frig out there. I know where my children are, and it
all started with "9/16 combination. 91/6? haahaahaahaa Turn it over. Yes,
that's it, thanks."

Ken


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:33:14 -0500
From: "duane"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gearing

I have a 84 F-50 with 300 - 6 and a 4 speed manual overdrive. I am not happy
with the final gearing of 2.47 and would like to change the rear end to a
3.08. I have a semi floating rear with a cover so that is probably a 8.8
inch carrier.
Question is can I change the gears out for something a little lower and if
so what ratios are available. The haynes manual say nothing about ratios and
all that so I am in the dark as to what is available.

I am tired of downshifting on grades and would like to cruise in overdrive
for a change. I am turning 1200 rpm at 60 MPH and I think 1450 or 1500 RPM
would be an improvement

Duane Brosky




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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:18:21 -0500
From: Ron Freidel
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Speeding, etc. E.O.T?

I apologize for carrying on this thread but...

In the plaza where my computer store is located there are those who
seem to feel it is necessary to drive at 40MPH through the parking lot,
well, today Brad (the motorcycle cop who hangs out in my store) was in
the store when one of the regular speeders...driving a Dodge pickup...
came in peeling his tires then came to a screeching halt to drop off
movies at the video rental store, then went peeling out of the parking
lot barely missing an elderly person carrying a pizza from the other
store in the plaza.

Well, Brads motorcycle was parked right out front (his lunch time) and
I have to admit that I was cheering him along as he chased the punk
down to ticket him, now that kid (or his father) is 109.00 poorer
simply because he doesn't (didn't) seem to be interested in the safety
of those around him.

I am 48 years old, been driving since I was 17, and have never had a
speeding ticket. Maybe, just maybe my dad knew what he was talking
about. Though I did get a noise pollution ticket one time in San
Francisco when a hole blew out in my exhaust system, then tonight the
muffler fell off my Ford, good thing it's a I 6.

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:47:02 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - gearing

>I have a 84 F-50 with 300 - 6 and a 4 speed manual overdrive. I am not
>happy
>with the final gearing of 2.47 and would like to change the rear end to a
>3.08. I have a semi floating rear with a cover so that is probably a 8.8
>inch carrier.
>Question is can I change the gears out for something a little lower and if
>so what ratios are available. The haynes manual say nothing about ratios
>and
>all that so I am in the dark as to what is available.
>
>I am tired of downshifting on grades and would like to cruise in overdrive
>for a change. I am turning 1200 rpm at 60 MPH and I think 1450 or 1500 RPM
>would be an improvement
>
>Duane Brosky
>
1200 2.47 would become 1496 at 3.08.
What are you turning in 3rd 60 mph now?

Ken

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:03:49 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Stupid question

OX,

Have you tried SuperGlue remover?

Ken

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:15:32 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - R-34 refrigerant

Okay, peeps, new thread:

My son just came in spitting nails. It seems the local auto AC repair
emporiums all charge $75 to hook up to their machines to check your AC's
freon charge. That's $75 just to hook it up!!!! On top of that, R-12 is $38
a pound. Gee willikers, what a rip-off. This is a new install aftermarket
system and will take 5-6 pounds.

The complete charge, using R-34 and compatible oil, will run about $65,
including flush, special gauges, and valves. This will save the kid about
$200.

Anyone every use R-34. Does it cool well? Any problems with it? How does
R-34 affect component life? It sure would be nice to be free of R-12.

Ken

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 20:41:43 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: (more) New feature for users

Just a word of caution on the top sites feature, all
IP addresses are logged. Double votes will be removed
weekly to foil cheaters.

Ken Payne
Admin



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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:01:41 -0800
From: "S.Harkema"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Booster

>No need to remove brakeline, I replaced the booster on an 85 f150 and >never lost a drop of fluid, turned out to be a fairly easy job, 1 hour, >good luck.

Thanks for the reply Dennis.
I'm glad some of us are aware of the list's purpose.
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:58:11 -0800
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - gearing

I don't know about the higher ratios but for the 8.8" axle you can get 3.55,
3.73, 4.11, 4.56, 4.88, and 5.14. These should be available from most gear
vendors. What size tires are you running? The tire size is going to be
important in determining what ratio you choose.

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Date: Monday, November 08, 1999 4:33 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gearing


>I have a 84 F-50 with 300 - 6 and a 4 speed manual overdrive. I am not
happy
>with the final gearing of 2.47 and would like to change the rear end to a
>3.08. I have a semi floating rear with a cover so that is probably a 8.8
>inch carrier.
>Question is can I change the gears out for something a little lower and if
>so what ratios are available. The haynes manual say nothing about ratios
and
>all that so I am in the dark as to what is available.
>
>I am tired of downshifting on grades and would like to cruise in overdrive
>for a change. I am turning 1200 rpm at 60 MPH and I think 1450 or 1500 RPM
>would be an improvement
>
>Duane Brosky
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:35:31 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

In a message dated 11/8/99 8:45:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mfburgo surfshop.net writes:


year than I think the teachers would be about average but when the average
salary of a teacher is about what I make a year as a Computer Systems
Administrator ( Unix Systems ) and the fact that they get three months off
and
I don't I think they are overpaid. Te >>
Umm I don't think this is as relevant to our subject of Ford trucks as radar
technology and speeding tickets are.
later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
Atlanta GA
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:40:31 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem

At 09:51 08/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Mike, what makes you think your in "full overheat" just because
>your in the mid range? Just because it normally runs below the N?
>
>Recall the guy who actually measured the rad temp w/a
>thermometer? Mid range was ~200-210. Thats normal temps for
>some engines.
>
>I had to run 300 mi pulling a boat out of OD and ran in the mid
>range doing 65 and wasn't nervous at all. Doing 60 would lower to
>the O in NORMAL.
>
>Its my opinion that the Ford truck temp gauge is big but covers a
>narrow temp range....a 1/4" movement of the needle only raises
>temp maybe 10 degrees.
>
>I might just put this to rest and do my own evaluation w/a
>mechanical temp gauge.

I recommend anyone who is concerned about their actual running temperature
do this. I did it at a local radiator shop with his hand-held direct
reading thermometer "gun". It takes no time at all, really. The longest
time is while you wait for it to heat up with the radiator blocked with a
big piece of cardboard.

My main complaint is that the IVR wanders around and you can never trust
the absolute reading you get. There was a thread about 9 months ago by a
guy who mde a solid-state replacement IVR to replace the cheap mechanical
one Ford provides. If his has worked well, I will build one also.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:55:10 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: - Hesitation problem

At 15:49 08/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Paul, I'm glad you've gotten to the bottom of your problem! Myself (and
>some others on the list) are getting desperate trying to cure off-idle
>hesitation. My spark plugs are tight but you bring up a good question about
>the TFI module. Has anyone seen this thing fail partially so that the
>engine just runs poorly? I would think the TFI would be either good or bad.

The electronic control box on my 1980 F-150 with the I-6 (fenderwell
mounted, drivers side) went bad and did not die altogether, I just had a
really bad miss at idle. Drove me crazy.

>Mine idles well runs well at speed and the TFI correctly controls the spark
>advance, so I'm reluctant to replace it.
>
>I'm also considering an intake vacuum leak. Others have mentioned that the
>intake gaskets commonly go bad (not sure if it was the I6 or not). Anyway
>I'm considering replacing all intake manifold gaskets. While I have this
>off I may take the fuel injectors to have them cleaned. Anyone found the
>shops willing to take a handful of injectors and clean them for you?

You can try to snug up the intake manifold bolts and see if you get any
movement. I'm not so sure that they commonly go bad. They do loosen up.

Has the EGR valve ever been replaced? I seem to remember you said you
pulled it and cleaned it. Does it still hesitate if the EGR is temporarily
disconnected?



Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:13:42 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - reply

Have you asked on the list for Ford trucks up through 79? Someone there
might know.

At 09:00 08/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
> Jim Cannon wrote about compression ratios
>
> I think that you are correct, the references to Change L16 are in two
different
>Piston catalogs; Federal Mogul and Badger both refer to this change. I
seem to
>remember that the early 300's had a different cylinder head design, with
the intake
>manifold on one side, and the exhaust on the other. Wonder if this is
Change L16?


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:44:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Dwight Dempsey
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar???

Hello Andy I am a senior in high school in South
Carolina and I agree
with you, because we have to wear name tags at school
and we also have
a cop on hand with alot of hall monitors that just
walk the halls, i think the reason for this was that
thing out in colorado really messed up everything. All
though my dad didnt realy get me out to work on cars
as you
explained but for some reason I just fell in love with
trucks and he
has helped me out alot. Also I love to go off roading
in my full size
bronco theres nothin better then 4wheeling and if more
kids could go
hunting and understand what you sould be doing with
your life i think
this world would be alot easier to live in. I just
thought i would
respond because I in the high school everyday and
agree with you 100
percent.
>
>Creston Dempsey
>94 Full-Size Bronco

 

Andy Norris wrote:


Wasn't he the nerdy one on M*A*S*H?


My dad is a cop, and it was a sticky position to be
in, being a cop's son,
but I made it through okay. The cops in our town were
a lot better than
they could've been, but maybe times were different
just ~10 years ago
(judging by the nightly news it seems to be true,
eh?). They were perceived
as b*ll busters but they were, in fact, being lenient.

One thing that would get you a ticket in our town
(~11,000) was to drive a
semi through town off the truck routes. But if you
can't read clearly
marked signs... Dad's told me several times about
coming upon a truck
driver letting the air out of all of his tires in
hopes of getting his rig
under one of the bridges on the outside of town... on
a road off limits to
trucks for, well, obvious reasons.

Had a GREAT HiPo help my family and I out when we were
stranded last
summer. Gave us a jump then escorted us to an
O'Reilly's where I could
replace the alternator. Saved us a tow bill! Had it
not been for him, our
only option would have been to have the car towed to
whatever service
station the driver had kin working for. And this was
on a Sunday. The point
is: he didn't have to do that.

But bringing up teachers and police... why in the
world is there a need to
have police in the schools now? Why do teachers have
to wear yet another
hat? Dad tells me there's an officer now at my old
high school every day.
There's an office for them. When I was there, it was a
major production if
the police were called to the school (happened maybe
twice in my four years
there). The principal and the vice principal (not to
mention the gym
teacher--big guy) were enough of a deterrent, it
seemed. But now they need
to have an officer there all the time. The gun is
about the only authority
figure some kids understand anymore. Sad.

If you are a parent and any of what is going on scares
you, be more of a
parent and less of a critic. If you are already doing
this, GREAT! You are
in the minority.

If it's not too late... if they're not too cool to
hang out with you
anymore, get them out in the garage with you and let
them help you with
changing the oil, flushing the radiator... I've got my
nine-year old
step-daughter out there handing me sockets, holding
flashlights... It gives
her a thrill to be helping. Kids have some damned fine
ideas sometimes, too
(not to mention smaller hands!) Just like when I was
young and out there
with my dad, it gives you a chances you don't normally
have to talk about
things you wouldn't normally talk about. If my dad
hadn't dragged me out to
the garage or driveway and made me "gopher" tools
around to him, I'd have
no interest in this list right now. I'd have no idea
what went on under my
hood. I'd be broker, too. I'd also probably not
respect my dad as much, or
other teachers in my life as much, for that matter.

Andy Norris
'89 F250
Computer programmer from the real land of Oz... the
flatlands of Kansas.

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 99 20:39:20 -0800
From: James Poylio
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold

Hello--

I have two unrelated questions.

One: Is the left exhaust manifold on a 1990 F150 302 V8 any more prone to
cracking than the same part on the same engine for any other model year?
I ask because mine cracked (of course), and I want to know, before I go to
the salvage yard to get a replacement, if there's any reason not to get
another 1990 exhaust manifold. That is, will the "new" one crack too?

Two: (I don't expect any real help here; the problem description is far
too vague.) My truck, the same 1990 F150 302 V8, produces a steady
middle-
frequency whistle while sitting at idle. It probably produces it at
speed,
too, but the noise would be drowned out. I've tried to locate the source
of the whistle in the engine compartment, but its source and cause still
elude me.
What part(s) of the vacuum system could produce this sort of sound,
assuming
that the vacuum system is at fault?
Should I check for air intake leaks with an unlit propane torch?
This whistle isn't accompanied by any other obvious problems; the
truck runs great. The sound is just annoying, and I'd be glad to be rid
of it.

Thanks for any help you can offer, and I've enjoyed reading your
postings to this list for the past week.

James Poylio
'90 F150
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 22:50:28 -0500
From: Emil Puhak
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - teachers

HELLOOOOO!!!!

Firefighters, Police officers, Teachers.....WHO CARES!!!!!! If you're
a teacher, you should know that no job pays anyone what they're worth.
NO JOB! They only pay what the job is worth.. It matters not if you're
the worlds very best burger flipper, McDonalds cannot pay you $100.00 an
hour. It won't work. Only when Government gets involved do the numbers
become skewed. If you're really a teacher and 5 year olds are bringing
guns in to shoot you....QUIT!!! When enough teachers quit, the market
will be forced to raise salaries or reduce the troublesome kids to get
replacements. It's all a great and natural balancing act called the free
market, or so I've been told... At least if the 5 year old brings a
mortar to school, he'll have to carry it in a FORD TRUCK because
otherwise it'll be to heavy......

El Guapo


ken haley wrote:
>
> >Well,
> >
> >
> >On 06-Nov-99 ken haley wrote:
> > > People,
> > >
> > > Police officers are underpaid.
> >
> >I'll by this one!
> >
> > >
> > > Fire persons are underpaid.
> > >
> >
> >And even this one!
> >
> >
> > > Teachers are underpaid.
> >
> >But I wont give you this one. If we all got to take three months off every
>
> >take
> > > care of yourself, you are just as stupid as Hank. The anarchy you
> >promote
> > > would destroy you in a New York second.
> > >
> > > Ken, who lives right down the road from Hank.
> > >
> > > ______________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:46:49 -0800
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold

I'm not sure which "left" you are talking about (facing the front of the
truck or from the drivers seat), but if you are talking about the passenger
side exhaust manifold, then yes, they are prone to breaking. Something to
do with a poor design putting too much of the weight of the exhaust on the
manifold. I know some people who have welded braces onto thieir new ones to
support them. The Ford dealer near me wants $190 for one manifold... a good
excuse to get some headers.

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Date: Monday, November 08, 1999 8:39 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust manifold


>Hello--
>
>I have two unrelated questions.
>
>One: Is the left exhaust manifold on a 1990 F150 302 V8 any more prone to
>cracking than the same part on the same engine for any other model year?
>I ask because mine cracked (of course), and I want to know, before I go to
>the salvage yard to get a replacement, if there's any reason not to get
>another 1990 exhaust manifold. That is, will the "new" one crack too?
>
>Two: (I don't expect any real help here; the problem description is far
>too vague.) My truck, the same 1990 F150 302 V8, produces a steady
>middle-
>frequency whistle while sitting at idle. It probably produces it at
>speed,
>too, but the noise would be drowned out. I've tried to locate the source
>of the whistle in the engine compartment, but its source and cause still
>elude me.
>What part(s) of the vacuum system could produce this sort of sound,
>assuming
>that the vacuum system is at fault?
>Should I check for air intake leaks with an unlit propane torch?
>This whistle isn't accompanied by any other obvious problems; the
>truck runs great. The sound is just annoying, and I'd be glad to be rid
>of it.
>
>Thanks for any help you can offer, and I've enjoyed reading your
>postings to this list for the past week.
>
>James Poylio
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:16:28 -0500
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TPS '85 F-150 I6-300

I had noticed several months ago (when I replaced the carburetor) that there
was no connection between the throttle shaft and the TPS pot. The mechanical
link was actually missing. It doesn't appear to effect performance as far as
I can tell but then again I have nothing to compare it with.
Does the TPS matter all that much?

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 03:15:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: Winch/Suspension lift: WAS: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Mark F. Burgo wrote:
> On 08-Nov-99 ken haley wrote:
> > THE STARTING SALARY FOR TEACHERS HERE IS $23 750. SCHOOL BEGINS THE THIRD
> Our school district the average salary is 54,000.00/year. I work 60 to

uumm....yeah.

Anyhow.

Hey guys, I'm _finally_ going to start mod'ing my truck.
'89 F250, 302, 5spd, 3" body lift, mostlybald BFG AT's 35x12.50x16.5
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