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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Out of state tags=ticket
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
RE: FTE 80-96 - Goodbye Ford...
Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100
FTE 80-96 - reply
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Signal to noise ratio
RE: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Signal to noise ratio
FTE 80-96 - Re: Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem
FTE 80-96 - Radar Detectors
FTE 80-96 - Radar and big government.
FTE 80-96 - Soot
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar - NMA Membership Offer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric Fan
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
FTE 80-96 - Quality S Parts???
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Signal to noise ratio
FTE 80-96 - Radar???
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: ENOUGH!
RE: FTE 80-96 - Radar???
FTE 80-96 - Temp
FTE 80-96 - DuraSpark timing controlled from the cab
FTE 80-96 - RE: Out of State tags = Ticket
FTE 80-96 - RE: - Hesitation problem
FTE 80-96 - RE: Temp Gauge Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - DuraSpark timing controlled from the cab
FTE 80-96 - RE: - Hesitation problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
RE: FTE 80-96 - Photo Radar & Trucks
Re: FTE 80-96 - Out of state tags=ticket
Re: FTE 80-96 - Soot
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Temp Gauge Problem

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 07:57:10 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/07/1999 teacherdad hotmail.com writes:
>
> used as the basis for mailing citations to vehicle owners? You've got to be
> kidding!!! >>
> The system used in the City and County of Denver has a technician (NOT a law
> enforcement officer) sitting along the side of the road, in a Ford mini-van,
> with a hi-tech camera and speed detection equipment. It is impressive!! I
> knew when I saw the strobe flash that I'd been had. 10 days later my
> ''ticket'' arrived in the mail, it had a picture of my Bronco (taken at a
> distance with speed and time super-imposed), a picture of my license plate
> (up close), and an inset pic of my face (you could even see my OH S**T!!!
> expression). All I had to do was fill in the boxes with my Visa #, sign it
> and mail it back. $35 fine with no points against my license and my
> insurance company never finds out about it, as long as I didn't contest it.
> What's to argue about?,

There is enough to argue about that it was banned in NJ in the state
superior court. It's a privacy issue.

OX
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 08:28:33 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Out of state tags=ticket

David W wrote:
>
> Since we are on a
> Truck list, you have GOT to know a truck is a terrible vehicle at
> both handling and braking.

I have been very pleasantly surprised by the handling of my 95 F250.
Steady state cornering is much higher than it should be. Even the brakes
are the best I have driven in a newer full size truck. I do find my self
driving slower than before, maybe it's subconscience trying to save gas
:-).

> we will survive most accidents while killing the innocent guy doing
> the speed limit in his Escort.

Moral to that story, don't drive an escort ;-)

> I have had a couple speeding tickets in my life, once I was doing
> 38 in a 35 zone on my motorcycle. Waah. I was guilty of speeding
> every time. For every time I got a ticket there must be 10,000 times
> I never got caught. So deal with it.
>

That is the exact mentality that allows this extreme revenue
generation and keeps most cops from doing their real job. At least it
holds down property taxes somewhat, so I guess I have to thank the rest
of you non-home owners for helping me out.

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 08:33:23 -0500 (EST)
From: "Mark F. Burgo ( Mark F. Burgo"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

Well,


On 06-Nov-99 ken haley wrote:
> People,
>
> Police officers are underpaid.

I'll by this one!

>
> Fire persons are underpaid.
>

And even this one!


> Teachers are underpaid.

But I wont give you this one. If we all got to take three months off every
year than I think the teachers would be about average but when the average
salary of a teacher is about what I make a year as a Computer Systems
Administrator ( Unix Systems ) and the fact that they get three months off and
I don't I think they are overpaid. Teachers have a tough time convincing me
that there jobs are so tough. I have four children and when I have to explain
to my children how to do the homework that was assigned and how to obtain good
study habits, then sympathy I have none for the educators. When I was in grade
school the teachers took the time to explain how the work was to be completed
and how studying in different manors was appropriate. They helped us to be
better learners which in turn helped them to be better teachers.

As for laying it all on the line everyday Police and Fire Fighters I will agree
with but the problem in schools is the fault of the parents or lack thereof.
Lets be honest if you would have taken a gun or knife to school and where
caught your parents would have woloped you. Now we have to be afraid to
correct our children or the children just have no one at home to walope them at
all. Parents need to be held responsible for the actions of the children that
they create. They need to be more of a parent/leader and less of a friend to
the children that they produce. Teachers underpaid I will never agree with
until I get the same work schedule and the same amount of joy that they get
from twenty or thirty children learning from my ability to direct them in the
right direction. Learning begins at home and if you raise them right from the
beginning the violence that everyone hears of today would not be here tomorrow.

Rant mode off!!!!!



>
> People in these professions generally go into these professions because they
> want to make the world a better place. These people put it all on the line
> every day for an ungrateful population that derides and condemns them. One
> of the riskiest things a police officer can do is a traffic stop, especially
> in a vehicle he or she cannot see into, such as a tall truck or a vehicle
> with dark windows. When was the last time you put your life or career on the
> line for anyone besides besides yourself? Police officers, fire personel,
> and teachers do it every day.
>
> If you think a rifle, a shotgun, and a four wheel drive means you can take
> care of yourself, you are just as stupid as Hank. The anarchy you promote
> would destroy you in a New York second.
>
> Ken, who lives right down the road from Hank.
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:25:56 -0600
From: "Ed Mount"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

What's the answer? We give 'em hell because they are out there enforcing
speed limits instead of chasing down murderers and rapists. Then when they
hire someone to do the menial job of issuing speeding tickets so they can
get on with the hard part, the other side of the aisle rises up in
indignation that they would farm out such an important and responsible job.
Seems like a smart move to me, and a good public relations move too, by
getting someone else to be the bad guy issuing speeding citations.
I personally think the cops have more impact. That flashing red and
blue bubble gets the gut roiling more than a guy in overalls with a Nikon.
I agree with whoever said we all think we are expert drivers, which gets a
lot of innocent people killed or maimed. You may be pretty certain your
F150 is in solid condition, but are you willing to bet the one coming at you
at 75mph doesn't have a loose tie rod or bad wheel bearing, or bald tires,
or etc?
Fun topic.

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:24:15 -0500 (EST)
From: "Mark F. Burgo ( Mark F. Burgo"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Goodbye Ford...

Tony,

Check the tow ratings on the surb. It was not enough for our trailer.
Everyone said we would be alright but a simple test drive proved them wrong.
That is way we bot the F350Crew Cab. Hauls the family and the trailer with out
a problem. The Ch**y just couldn't pull that much trailer.... Really check it
out before you spend all that money....


Mark

On 08-Nov-99 Beth and Tony Fischer wrote:
> Well gentlemen (and ladies),
>
> It is time for me to say good bye to the fellow Ford owners. I am crossing
> the line, getting rid of the truck for a Suburban. Please don't think less
> of me for this, it is just that we need a people hauler and trailer hauler
> in one, and the 97 Expeditions are just too expensive for our budget.
> (Probably going to put a lot more money into fixing a Ch**y tho!!)
>
> This list has been an invaluable tool for me, and I thank everyone for all
> their responses.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tony
> 1986 F-150 XLT Lariat 4x4
> Extended cab long bed
> 351W-HO with built C-6
>
> Currently FOR SALE
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:39:55 -0500
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100

Our '80 F250 4X4 LD had the holes in the frame. And yes it flexed. The
truck, while not on the road, is still running. It's being used as a yard
truck (snow plowing, hauling wheels, towing dead vehicles) in a school bus
service yard.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Blake Malkamaki
To:
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100


> >At 22:38 07/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
> >>
> >>Does the 80 have the swiss cheese frame?
> >
> >Mine does not.
> >
>
> I wonder which one did? I know there was one year where they tried
> lightening up the trucks by punching big holes in the frames. Anyone know?
>
>
> Blake
> Little Mountain
> Concord, Ohio
> Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
> "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
> "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."
>
>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:00:52 -0600
From: plsshick vzinet.com (Peter M. Shick)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - reply

Jim Cannon wrote about compression ratios

I think that you are correct, the references to Change L16 are in two different
Piston catalogs; Federal Mogul and Badger both refer to this change. I seem to
remember that the early 300's had a different cylinder head design, with the intake
manifold on one side, and the exhaust on the other. Wonder if this is Change L16?
Thanks

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:29:47 -0500
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Signal to noise ratio

Okay gang... the signal to noise ratio here is getting out of
hand with the radar "Holy War." This topic is no longer about
the simple question of a radar jammer and has now gone into the
territory of politics, good cops/bad cops, religion, etc. No
one is going to win and it appears that its just a game of
everyone trying to get in the last word.

Let the topic die and lets get back to talking about trucks....

Thanks,
Ken Payne
Admin
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:46:27 -0600
From: "Moore, Jimmy"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Signal to noise ratio

AMEN brother.. who cares about radars...
FORD Trucks RULE

- -----Original Message-----
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com [mailto:kpayne ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 9:30 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Signal to noise ratio


Okay gang... the signal to noise ratio here is getting out of
hand with the radar "Holy War." This topic is no longer about
the simple question of a radar jammer and has now gone into the
territory of politics, good cops/bad cops, religion, etc. No
one is going to win and it appears that its just a game of
everyone trying to get in the last word.

Let the topic die and lets get back to talking about trucks....

Thanks,
Ken Payne
Admin
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:52:51 EST
From: BRIGANDBAR aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Radar

In a message dated 99-11-08 06:45:46 EST, you write:


insurance company never finds out about it, as long as I didn't contest it.
>>


Alex:

Again, my friend, you miss the point. Why do you think that there is the
incentive of no points, no insurance company notification, etc. In a fair
and reasonable judicial system (I was a judge in a municipal court for over 5
years) there should be no additional penalty for contesting a ticket,
pleading not guilty, requiring a trial, etc. That is what justice is all
about. If you are guilty, and wish to plead guilty, no problem, that is the
honorable thing to do, but if you feel that you are not guilty, the court
system should not raise the stakes, and insist on additional punishment or
penalties just because you elected to assert your rights under the
Constitution.

My personal view is that this is simply a governmental version of extortion.
Fairness requires that all individuals, whether they elect to assert their
rights, or to waive them, should receive equal treatment under the law. I
carried that into the courtroom with me, and truly hope that notwithstanding
an adverse verdict, each defendant rightfully perceived the experience as
fair and honorable.

Steve
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:51:35 -0600
From: "DannyF"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem

Mike, what makes you think your in "full overheat" just because
your in the mid range? Just because it normally runs below the N?

Recall the guy who actually measured the rad temp w/a
thermometer? Mid range was ~200-210. Thats normal temps for
some engines.

I had to run 300 mi pulling a boat out of OD and ran in the mid
range doing 65 and wasn't nervous at all. Doing 60 would lower to
the O in NORMAL.

Its my opinion that the Ford truck temp gauge is big but covers a
narrow temp range....a 1/4" movement of the needle only raises
temp maybe 10 degrees.

I might just put this to rest and do my own evaluation w/a
mechanical temp gauge.

Danny
> This subject has come up before and I think the conclusion was that there
> is
> not much you can do about it. I changed the temp sensor and it didn't
> change
> the gauge reading at all. My temp gauge reads about the same as yours.
> At
> half scale that I am in full overheat. I just note the normal reading and
> as
> long as it stays there I ignore it.
>


Danny
danf01 worldnet.att.net
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:05:46 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Radar Detectors

Can anyone direct me to a site which compares radar detectors? I know
that you can find some info in Car & Driver, etc. but I am just trying
to be lazy.
I also understand that it is best to get a radar detector which doesn't
transmit signals which can be picked up the the law's anti-radar
detector detectors (I am in Virginia).
From what I have read, the Valentine is the standard of the industry.
They do have a web site, but I was looking for a neutral comparison
site.

Happy trucking, Paul Gayda
Waynesboro, Va.
Six months to Pigeon Forge
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 11:15:16 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Radar and big government.

There is a basic division in people. One group views a
rational-appearing p.c. approach to things by govt as a nice solution to
problems: radar photos, gun control, tobacco company suing, etc.

Another group views any govt intrusion, EVEN IF FOR SEEMINGLY GOOD
REASONS, as a no-no; logic being that govt, once they get their foot in
the door, never...ever....gets it out. So, therefore, it is better to
actually not do the prudent thing if govt has charge of it, because, in
the long run, we all lose. I am a member of this group.

Members of the latter group see the others as naive short sighted fools
who can't visualize past the newest government solution; sort of like
chickens heading for the processing plant.

What can be done to shake up these idiots? How the heck can anyone
think that, in the long run, more govt intrusion is really "for the good
of society"? Didn't they ever read the history books? Has human nature
suddenly changed?

Moral: If this was Heaven, I would be a do-gooder Democrat type;
HOWEVER, since this is earth: get real you Chevy-brained types!
I mean, why would anyone ever design an engine with the distributor at
the wrong end? :]

Paul G.
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:52:52 -0600
From: Andy Norris
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Soot

WARNING!! TRUE TALES OF DEALERSHIP PRACTICES!!

Ken,

My first "real" job was working in the detail shop at a dealership that
handled such a strange variety as BMWs, Chevys, and Subarus. Depending on
the shape of the cars coming in from tradeins, we'd do all sorts of stuff
to 'em to make 'em become something somebody else would want to buy.

I learned that a buffer can very easily and quickly take a brushed aluminum
"Oldsmobile" logo from the front quarter panel of a car and fling it across
the room.

True story: "What's in this bucket?" Must be the carpet shampoo. Whoa! Why
is this carpet turning white? "Hey! Is this bleach in this bucket?
[Explitive]!" Then we had to PAINT the carpet...

When the interior of a car was REALLY bad (smokers!), we would POWERWASH
the interior... making a minimum amount of effort to keep the spray off the
stereo and away from the gauges.

"This engine looks bad. Better get the spray paint." Don't forget
powerwashing there, too... nevermind spraying the alternator, distributor...

What keeps me awake at night, though: The dealership would offer the
customer a "P-Pack" when they bought a car... for about $350. This entailed
undercoating, waxing, upholstery protection, and some other stuff. Well,
whether they bought the P-Pack or not, the cars for which the factory specs
mandated undercoating got undercoating, and all the upholstery was treated
the same way: if it was a new car, we'd pull the plastic coverings off the
seats; if a used car, it was shampooed, P-Pack or no P-Pack. Also, we would
wax the top of the hood, top of the car, and the top of the trunk. The only
real difference: if they actually paid the $350 (most did!), we would put a
plastic bag containing three bottles of various cleaning supplies in the trunk.

I'm glad you didn't take your 'stang to the dealership to have them clean
it. They probably would have soaked it in a tank of kerosene or something.

Just following orders,

Andy

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:12:45 -0500
From: Matthew Hayduk
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar - NMA Membership Offer

Hey ya'll...

The radar/speeding thread has been very interesting. The SVT cobra list
had a similar one a week ago.

Let me extend the same offer to everyone on this list and any friends that
may be interested.

NMA Membership for 25 per year -- 5 discount if you join threw me.

You get the "ticket protection program" (glad I got it now as I got an $87
careless driving ticket last night from a fat, boarded local cop), but I
don't have to worry b/c even if I loose in court, the NMA will pay my
ticket, plus court costs!

WOW! To good to be true, nope. NMA is here to help the motorist.

I am the SC State Coordinator, and will be glad to help anyone who gets a
tcket and wants to fight it.

Every person in this country that has EVER had a ticket should be a member.
If everyone bands together, traffic enforcement will fall!

Safe traviling to everyone...


Matthew Hayduk
mhayduk bigfoot.com ICQ: 3680882 pager.mirabilis.com

94 SVT Cobra Coupe White/Black Leather #4270 of 5009 SCOA
8.795 79.071 Mph PERSONAL TOP SPEED: 137 mph
- K&N FIPK
- Mac Long Tubes, Offroad X pipe Flowmaster 2 chamber
- Pro 5.0 Power Tower Shifter
- Autometer Cowl Mounted Fuel Pres Guage
- Motorsport Aluminum Driveshaft
- CEnterforce Dual Friction Clutch
- Compucar Wet Nitrous System -- 90 Shot == NEVER USED
83 Ford Mustang LX 4 cyl car---460 project
83 F150 XLT 300ci I6 A/T
71 Volkswagen Bug
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:14:13 EST
From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric Fan

make sure you have at least a 3 core radiator it helps.. i have a black
magic fan on my f150 302 and when i first installed it i had the stock little
radiator so the fan was always on and the temp gauge was always around 200
degrees with the air off. now i have a 3 core radiator and the temp never
goes above 180 with the fan off. it is a good fan. makes it easier to work
on motor with no shroud and increases gas mileage and horsepower.

luke
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:46:57 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

>Well,
>
>
>On 06-Nov-99 ken haley wrote:
> > People,
> >
> > Police officers are underpaid.
>
>I'll by this one!
>
> >
> > Fire persons are underpaid.
> >
>
>And even this one!
>
>
> > Teachers are underpaid.
>
>But I wont give you this one. If we all got to take three months off every
>year than I think the teachers would be about average but when the average
>salary of a teacher is about what I make a year as a Computer Systems
>Administrator ( Unix Systems ) and the fact that they get three months off
>and
>I don't I think they are overpaid.

THE STARTING SALARY FOR TEACHERS HERE IS $23 750. SCHOOL BEGINS THE THIRD
MONDAY IN AUGUST AND RUNS THROUGH THE FIRST WEEK OF JUNE. TEACHERS ARE
REQUIRED TO COMPLETE 6 CREDIT HOURS OF GRADUATE SCHOOL PER YEAR, AT THE OWN
EXPENSE, UNTIL EARNING A MASTER. THERE GOES THE SUMMER. TEACHERS ARE
REQUIRED TO ATTEND 12 DAYS OF "PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT" PER YEAR. TEACHERS
ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT SCHOOL AT 7:30 AM, AND MAY NOT LEAVE BEFORE 3, 2 DAYS
PER WEEK NOR BEFORE 5, 3 DAYS PER WEEK SPONSORING "EXTRACURRICULAR
ACTIVITIES" AND/OR COACHING. TEACHERS ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT ALL HOME
ATHLETIC EVENTS TO SELL POPCORN. nARY A TEACHER GOES HOME AT NIGHT WITHOUT A
FILE OF PAPERS TO GRADE. 45 MINUTE PLANNING SESSIONS ARE NOT ADEQUATE. THEN
THERE ARE IEP MEETINGS, DPARENT/TEACHER CONFERENCES, YADDA, YADDA, YADDA. A
STUDY WAS DONE HERE, THE TEACHERS AVERAGE 54 HOURS PER WEEK, YEAR AROUND,
INCLUDING HOLIDAYS. FOR #23 750-$36 500. cRUNCH THE NUMBERS, MAN. wHAT DO
TEACHERS MAKE PER HOUR?

Teachers have a tough time convincing me
>that there jobs are so tough. I have four children and when I have to
>explain
>to my children how to do the homework that was assigned and how to obtain
>good
>study habits, then sympathy I have none for the educators. When I was in
>grade
>school the teachers took the time to explain how the work was to be
>completed
>and how studying in different manors was appropriate. They helped us to be
>better learners which in turn helped them to be better teachers.

YES, 30% OF TEACHERS HAVE NO PLACE IN THE CLASSROOM. BUT 30% OF COMPUTER OPS
ARE INCOMPETENT, TOO.
>
>As for laying it all on the line everyday Police and Fire Fighters I will
>agree
>with but the problem in schools is the fault of the parents or lack
>thereof.
>Lets be honest if you would have taken a gun or knife to school and where
>caught your parents would have woloped you. Now we have to be afraid to
>correct our children or the children just have no one at home to walope
>them at
>all. Parents need to be held responsible for the actions of the children
>that
>they create. They need to be more of a parent/leader and less of a friend
>to
>the children that they produce.

AND THIS IS THE FAULT OF TEACHERS? NOT! FACT IS, LAST YEAR A 5 YEAR OLD WAS
COAUGHT WITH A HANDGUN HE INTENDED TO USE ON HIS TEACHER. I'VE NEVER HEARD
OF A COMPUTER GEEK BEING MURDERED FOR DOING HIS JOB. TEACHERS DIE AT WORK,
VICTIMS OF THE "CHILDREN". TEACHER ASSAULTS OCCUR DAILY IN THE U.S. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO SEE THE MY SCAR FROM A RICOCHETED BULLET FRAGMENT I RECIEVED IN
A DALLAS, TX, SCHOOL? HOW ABOUT THE SCAR LEFT BY 17 SUTURES FROM AN IRATE
18-YEAR-OLD COLLEGE STUDENT WHO RECIEVED A ZERO FOR NOT TURNING IN AN
ASSIGNMENT?AND YOU WANT TO BLAME TEACHERS FOR NOT "RAISING" THIS CHILDREN.
wHEN YOU SAY MANY CHILDREN ARE UNPARENTED, IT IS TRUE. TAKE IT UP WITH THE
PARENTS, NOT THE TEACHERS. START WITH THE CHILDREN WITH TWO COLLEGE
EDUCATED, WORKING PARENTS. THOSE CHILDREN ARE OFTEN THE MOST UNPARENTED AS
MOM AND DAD WORSHIP THE GREEN GOD OF MATERIALISM..

Teachers underpaid I will never agree with
>until I get the same work schedule and the same amount of joy that they get
>from twenty or thirty children learning from my ability to direct them in
>the
>right direction. Learning begins at home and if you raise them right from
>the
>beginning the violence that everyone hears of today would not be here
>tomorrow.
>
>Rant mode off!!!!!

UNTIL YOU'VE TAUGHT, DON'T BITCH ABOUT TEACHERS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
HELL IS GOING ON IN SCHOOLS. I WON'T TELL YOU HOW TO CRUNCH NUMBERS. FACT
IS, THE #1 INDICATOR OF LEARNER SUCCESS IS PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT IN THE
SCHOOL. BE THERE!
>
>
>
> >
> > People in these professions generally go into these professions because
>they
> > want to make the world a better place. These people put it all on the
>line
> > every day for an ungrateful population that derides and condemns them.
>One
> > of the riskiest things a police officer can do is a traffic stop,
>especially
> > in a vehicle he or she cannot see into, such as a tall truck or a
>vehicle
> > with dark windows. When was the last time you put your life or career on
>the
> > line for anyone besides besides yourself? Police officers, fire
>personel,
> > and teachers do it every day.
> >
> > If you think a rifle, a shotgun, and a four wheel drive means you can
>take
> > care of yourself, you are just as stupid as Hank. The anarchy you
>promote
> > would destroy you in a New York second.
> >
> > Ken, who lives right down the road from Hank.
> >
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:43:22 -0500
From: joe delaurentis
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Quality S Parts???

Has anybody heard of "Quality S" Aftermarket Truck parts Company?????
they make roll bars,push bars etc....


- --
Joe
68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!


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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:52:25 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

>I agree with whoever said we all think we are expert drivers, which gets a
>lot of innocent people killed or maimed. You may be pretty certain your
>F150 is in solid condition, but are you willing to bet the one coming at
>you
>at 75mph doesn't have a loose tie rod or bad wheel bearing, or bald tires,
>or etc?
>Fun topic.
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Excellent point. My on-road philosophy is "Drive Paranoid". So far, no
tickets, no at-fault accidents, 30+ years and 1.6 X 10^6 miles.

Ken

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:56:21 -0500 (EST)
From: "Mark F. Burgo ( Mark F. Burgo"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

On 08-Nov-99 ken haley wrote:
> THE STARTING SALARY FOR TEACHERS HERE IS $23 750. SCHOOL BEGINS THE THIRD
> MONDAY IN AUGUST AND RUNS THROUGH THE FIRST WEEK OF JUNE. TEACHERS ARE
> REQUIRED TO COMPLETE 6 CREDIT HOURS OF GRADUATE SCHOOL PER YEAR, AT THE OWN
> EXPENSE, UNTIL EARNING A MASTER. THERE GOES THE SUMMER. TEACHERS ARE
> REQUIRED TO ATTEND 12 DAYS OF "PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT" PER YEAR. TEACHERS
> ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT SCHOOL AT 7:30 AM, AND MAY NOT LEAVE BEFORE 3, 2 DAYS
> PER WEEK NOR BEFORE 5, 3 DAYS PER WEEK SPONSORING "EXTRACURRICULAR
> ACTIVITIES" AND/OR COACHING. TEACHERS ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT ALL HOME
> ATHLETIC EVENTS TO SELL POPCORN. nARY A TEACHER GOES HOME AT NIGHT WITHOUT A
> FILE OF PAPERS TO GRADE. 45 MINUTE PLANNING SESSIONS ARE NOT ADEQUATE. THEN
> THERE ARE IEP MEETINGS, DPARENT/TEACHER CONFERENCES, YADDA, YADDA, YADDA. A
> STUDY WAS DONE HERE, THE TEACHERS AVERAGE 54 HOURS PER WEEK, YEAR AROUND,
> INCLUDING HOLIDAYS. FOR #23 750-$36 500. cRUNCH THE NUMBERS, MAN. wHAT DO
> TEACHERS MAKE PER HOUR?
>

Ken,
Our school district the average salary is 54,000.00/year. I work 60 to
80 hours per week as a sys admin. Network and Systems design for our location
and a couple others each week for redesign and rework of previous workers due
to inability to properly wire and configure systems, not including installation
of new equipment that is being upgraded and added daily.

>
> YES, 30% OF TEACHERS HAVE NO PLACE IN THE CLASSROOM. BUT 30% OF COMPUTER OPS
> ARE INCOMPETENT, TOO.
>>

I would agree that there are a bunch of incompentent people in every field of
employment. My point was that the teachers use to assist the parents in
helping all students learn how to learn. Now they send the kids home with
homework and and usually don't even go over the assignment with the students to
explain what is required....

>
> AND THIS IS THE FAULT OF TEACHERS? NOT! FACT IS, LAST YEAR A 5 YEAR OLD WAS
> COAUGHT WITH A HANDGUN HE INTENDED TO USE ON HIS TEACHER. I'VE NEVER HEARD
> OF A COMPUTER GEEK BEING MURDERED FOR DOING HIS JOB. TEACHERS DIE AT WORK,
> VICTIMS OF THE "CHILDREN". TEACHER ASSAULTS OCCUR DAILY IN THE U.S. WOULD
> YOU LIKE TO SEE THE MY SCAR FROM A RICOCHETED BULLET FRAGMENT I RECIEVED IN
> A DALLAS, TX, SCHOOL? HOW ABOUT THE SCAR LEFT BY 17 SUTURES FROM AN IRATE
> 18-YEAR-OLD COLLEGE STUDENT WHO RECIEVED A ZERO FOR NOT TURNING IN AN
> ASSIGNMENT?AND YOU WANT TO BLAME TEACHERS FOR NOT "RAISING" THIS CHILDREN.
> wHEN YOU SAY MANY CHILDREN ARE UNPARENTED, IT IS TRUE. TAKE IT UP WITH THE
> PARENTS, NOT THE TEACHERS. START WITH THE CHILDREN WITH TWO COLLEGE
> EDUCATED, WORKING PARENTS. THOSE CHILDREN ARE OFTEN THE MOST UNPARENTED AS
> MOM AND DAD WORSHIP THE GREEN GOD OF MATERIALISM..
>

I work, my wife stays home and works with the children. You are correct in
that it is not the teachers job to handle the situations that are occuring in
the classroom today and I believe that if the gumment would stay out of it and
allow for correction of the children in school and at home most of the problems
would be ended. I SAID that the parents need to be HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE
ACTIONS OF THE CHILD. When I was in school if I would have taken a gun to
school MY PARENTS would have beat the hell out of me. WHERE WHERE THIS CHILDS
PARENTS...

>
> UNTIL YOU'VE TAUGHT, DON'T BITCH ABOUT TEACHERS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
> HELL IS GOING ON IN SCHOOLS. I WON'T TELL YOU HOW TO CRUNCH NUMBERS. FACT
> IS, THE #1 INDICATOR OF LEARNER SUCCESS IS PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT IN THE
> SCHOOL. BE THERE!

I have taught classes at the Vo-Tech and Community Collage. Had problems with
some of the students until I had the balls to contact the local police and
have them visit and remove the problems. Never had another problem and still
am requested by the school to teach about once a year for there technical
computing classes. The Children seam to speak to previous years students and
find that I teach but take no crap so they don't mind being in my class. Have
had many come back after a few years and thank me for being the way I am and
not letting them screw-off during the education I was paid to assist them with.
Never had a gun pulled on me but stated clearly at the beginning of the term
that they should not bother bringing a gun or knife to my class because I would
defend my self if necessary and had no quarm with inflicting injury if
necessary. School Board and parents where always notified when registration
was confirmed that this was my practice and it would continue being that way.
Many parents thanked me for being up front, others told there children that
they could not take the class, suspect maybe they knew there child would cause
a problem.

Sorry for your pain and problems you have had in the schools where you are from
but then maybe the police should be searching the students as they enter the
schools also. This would stop them from bringing guns and knives in to the
school and put some more people back to work in our fair country.

Mark

P.S. I didn't yell at you but no one bitched about teachers and if you read
the post again you may get that point. I bitched because they make to much
money for having three months off. Most of the teachers that I know get the
credits and classes required in over the standard school year when they are
teaching....
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:04:37 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Signal to noise ratio

> I thought we were
talking about trucks.... and driving them, at times, faster than the posted
limit ...and the consequences of doing so. Finally a subject more
interesting than ''what size tire...''
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:08:33 -0600
From: Andy Norris
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Radar???

Wasn't he the nerdy one on M*A*S*H?


My dad is a cop, and it was a sticky position to be in, being a cop's son,
but I made it through okay. The cops in our town were a lot better than
they could've been, but maybe times were different just ~10 years ago
(judging by the nightly news it seems to be true, eh?). They were perceived
as b*ll busters but they were, in fact, being lenient.

One thing that would get you a ticket in our town (~11,000) was to drive a
semi through town off the truck routes. But if you can't read clearly
marked signs... Dad's told me several times about coming upon a truck
driver letting the air out of all of his tires in hopes of getting his rig
under one of the bridges on the outside of town... on a road off limits to
trucks for, well, obvious reasons.

Had a GREAT HiPo help my family and I out when we were stranded last
summer. Gave us a jump then escorted us to an O'Reilly's where I could
replace the alternator. Saved us a tow bill! Had it not been for him, our
only option would have been to have the car towed to whatever service
station the driver had kin working for. And this was on a Sunday. The point
is: he didn't have to do that.

But bringing up teachers and police... why in the world is there a need to
have police in the schools now? Why do teachers have to wear yet another
hat? Dad tells me there's an officer now at my old high school every day.
There's an office for them. When I was there, it was a major production if
the police were called to the school (happened maybe twice in my four years
there). The principal and the vice principal (not to mention the gym
teacher--big guy) were enough of a deterrent, it seemed. But now they need
to have an officer there all the time. The gun is about the only authority
figure some kids understand anymore. Sad.

If you are a parent and any of what is going on scares you, be more of a
parent and less of a critic. If you are already doing this, GREAT! You are
in the minority.

If it's not too late... if they're not too cool to hang out with you
anymore, get them out in the garage with you and let them help you with
changing the oil, flushing the radiator... I've got my nine-year old
step-daughter out there handing me sockets, holding flashlights... It gives
her a thrill to be helping. Kids have some damned fine ideas sometimes, too
(not to mention smaller hands!) Just like when I was young and out there
with my dad, it gives you a chances you don't normally have to talk about
things you wouldn't normally talk about. If my dad hadn't dragged me out to
the garage or driveway and made me "gopher" tools around to him, I'd have
no interest in this list right now. I'd have no idea what went on under my
hood. I'd be broker, too. I'd also probably not respect my dad as much, or
other teachers in my life as much, for that matter.

Andy Norris
'89 F250
Computer programmer from the real land of Oz... the flatlands of Kansas.

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:43:21 -0500
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: ENOUGH!

From the admin:
Read my last post. I was serious.

From our FAQ:

"If it's Ford truck related - it's welcome."

"No blatantly off topic posts. Questions about your brother's
Tempo belong on Fordnatics, not Ford Truck Enthusiasts."

"Read messages which start out with the word "ADMIN" in the
subject. These contain important information concerning
administrative details, upcoming votes, list issues, etc. These
messages may be concern you so please read them."

You're welcome to talk about radars. However, off topic threads
about the merits of cops, teachers, how children are raised,
etc. must die. I will be using another item from our FAQ if it
doesn't stop:

"Repeated offenses of these items can get you permanently barred
from the list."

I'm tired of receiving complaints about the childish bickering.

Ken Payne
Admin
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:03:21 -0500 (EST)
From: "Mark F. Burgo ( Mark F. Burgo"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Radar???

On 08-Nov-99 Andy Norris wrote:



> If it's not too late... if they're not too cool to hang out with you
> anymore, get them out in the garage with you and let them help you with
> changing the oil, flushing the radiator... I've got my nine-year old
> step-daughter out there handing me sockets, holding flashlights... It gives
> her a thrill to be helping. Kids have some damned fine ideas sometimes, too
> (not to mention smaller hands!) Just like when I was young and out there
> with my dad, it gives you a chances you don't normally have to talk about
> things you wouldn't normally talk about. If my dad hadn't dragged me out to
> the garage or driveway and made me "gopher" tools around to him, I'd have
> no interest in this list right now. I'd have no idea what went on under my
> hood. I'd be broker, too. I'd also probably not respect my dad as much, or
> other teachers in my life as much, for that matter.
>
> Andy Norris
> '89 F250
> Computer programmer from the real land of Oz... the flatlands of Kansas.
>
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Good post and I agree. All four of my daughters help me work on my Fords. The
have a lot of fun and I hope always respectful of the adults that they ever
spend time with. We also spend time camping and working around the house
sealing the walls and landscaping. We never have enough time together but try
to make the most of what we have. The really Like the F350 as they can sit in
the engine compartment and really look around. They don't enjoy working on the
Aerostar so much...

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:02:05 PST
From: 2insane excite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Temp

my temp gauge never goes past the N in normal either. only after towing or a
while of WOT runs will it get up to the N or O.




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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:08:42 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - DuraSpark timing controlled from the cab

My old '84 E-150 let me down for the first time. It's a 351W-HO, with the
factory Holley 4 bbl and the Duraspark Ignition. I replaced the ignition
module many years ago with an after-market unit made by MSD (part#8778) that
has the added advantage of a little knob on the dash for electronically
changing the timing as you drive.... definitely a must for non-computer
controlled vehicles when going from Denver (5280 ft elevation) to anywhere in
the mountains...often over 10,000 feet. Trying to make a long story
short....my ignition module died and I didn't want to have to spend the big
bucks for a new one. I had the original module with me for just such
emergencies, it was the ''yellow grommet'' module that has an extra 2-prong
pigtail for plugging in a BARO sensor. I clipped off the Baro sensor since
it was bad anyhow and wired up to the existing MSD ping-control on the dash.
It worked!! Anyone with the ''blue grommet'' module can install one of these
by buying a ''yellow grommet'' module, clipping off the extra pigtail and
wiring it to a variable resistor ( 0 to 10K ohms).
Set the base timing 20 degrees with the resistor disconnected. Then, by
increasing resistance the timing is retarded. At 6K ohms, my base timing is
10 degrees, as I gain altitude I turn the resistor down. At 10,500 feet I
run my timing up to 16 degrees BTDC and the resistor setting is at around
1.5K. If I get a bad load of winter-blend fuel that makes the engine ping
when it's hot, I retard the timing a few degrees by increasing the
resistance. This is just another way of fine tuning your engine-as you drive.
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:28:11 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Out of State tags = Ticket

David W. wrote:

>Good lord, a long off topic post that nobody cares to read. Sorry!

Dude!!! I could NOT possibly have said so much so well as this!!!
Particularly the part about residential and school zones. I want to pummel
the idiots that fly down MY street!!!

A bit of David W's post here:

>Its been MY experience that most people are not near as good a driver
as they think they are. Unless you understand terms like understeer,
oversteer,
apex, drift, power slide, you probably dont have a clue as to why your
vehicle handles the way it does. Do you drive fast? If so, do you
know how fast you can stop on dry pavement? Wet pavement? In the
rain? Snow? Ice? I take every vehicle I buy and "test" its stopping
abilities
on empty roads/highways. I abuse my brakes to learn the ragged edge of
a skid under all conditions...and when we get some ice/snow, I go to the
empty parking lots for some practice in entering and recovering from a
slide or spin.

Does any of this make ME a good driver? Maybe. Maybe not.


>Since we are on a
Truck list, you have GOT to know a truck is a terrible vehicle at
both handling and braking. We are the LAST things that should
be doing 80mph down the highway... Heavy and underbraked,
we will survive most accidents while killing the innocent guy doing
the speed limit in his Escort.


Hurrah!!! A voice of sanity in a crazy world!!!

Dave H.
Houston

(The nonsensickle raving of a lunatic mind!)

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:49:18 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: - Hesitation problem

Paul, I'm glad you've gotten to the bottom of your problem! Myself (and
some others on the list) are getting desperate trying to cure off-idle
hesitation. My spark plugs are tight but you bring up a good question about
the TFI module. Has anyone seen this thing fail partially so that the
engine just runs poorly? I would think the TFI would be either good or bad.
Mine idles well runs well at speed and the TFI correctly controls the spark
advance, so I'm reluctant to replace it.

I'm also considering an intake vacuum leak. Others have mentioned that the
intake gaskets commonly go bad (not sure if it was the I6 or not). Anyway
I'm considering replacing all intake manifold gaskets. While I have this
off I may take the fuel injectors to have them cleaned. Anyone found the
shops willing to take a handful of injectors and clean them for you?

Thanks,
>David Anderson

>David posted:
>>You've checked about everything. I think you next have to find out if
it's
>>fuel/air or spark related. I'm in the process of working on a bad
>>hesitation problem on my 300 six so I'm interested in what you find
>out.
>>>>> Hey, I think I've solved the hesitation problem in my '94 300ci.
I
think I had two different problems that compounded one another: a
hesitation under acceleration and terrible starting/running when wet. I
replaced the TFI module, which appears to have cured the wetness problem,
then discovered that spark plugs #5 and #6 had worked themselves loose!
.....

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:00:17 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Temp Gauge Problem

For all those not believing these funky ford temperature gauges, I suggest
measuring the DC voltage at the ECT sender. Some of the books give a nice
table showing coolant temp as a function of voltage. I can copy that table
to this list if anyone wants it.
David Anderson

>>>>Group,
my 92 Bronco (351w) has a temp gauge problem..It barely gets out of the
C never
makes it to the N in Normal...But I have changed the thrmostat and have
blazing
heat.....>>>>>>

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:31:15 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - DuraSpark timing controlled from the cab

FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:
>
> My old '84 E-150 let me down for the first time. It's a 351W-HO, with the
> factory Holley 4 bbl and the Duraspark Ignition. I replaced the ignition
> module many years ago with an after-market unit made by MSD (part#8778) that
> has the added advantage of a little knob on the dash for electronically
> changing the timing as you drive.... definitely a must for non-computer
> controlled vehicles when going from Denver (5280 ft elevation) to anywhere in
> the mountains...often over 10,000 feet. Trying to make a long story
> short....my ignition module died and I didn't want to have to spend the big
> bucks for a new one. I had the original module with me for just such
> emergencies, it was the ''yellow grommet'' module that has an extra 2-prong
> pigtail for plugging in a BARO sensor. I clipped off the Baro sensor since
> it was bad anyhow and wired up to the existing MSD ping-control on the dash.
> It worked!! Anyone with the ''blue grommet'' module can install one of these
> by buying a ''yellow grommet'' module, clipping off the extra pigtail and
> wiring it to a variable resistor ( 0 to 10K ohms).
> Set the base timing 20 degrees with the resistor disconnected. Then, by
> increasing resistance the timing is retarded.

At 6K ohms, my base timing is
> 10 degrees, as I gain altitude I turn the resistor down. At 10,500 feet I
> run my timing up to 16 degrees BTDC and the resistor setting is at around
> 1.5K. If I get a bad load of winter-blend fuel that makes the engine ping
> when it's hot, I retard the timing a few degrees by increasing the
> resistance. This is just another way of fine tuning your engine-as you drive.

Any idea what that module goes for? Does it move the whole curve, or
change the curve in any way (is it linear)?

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:34:46 -0600
From: Andy Norris
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: - Hesitation problem

Funny thing about this list. I don't know if it's lucky I found it, or if
it's a curse. Just about every topic that comes up becomes a problem with
my truck. My truck may be a hypochondriac, I don't know.

Mine was hesitating (this was months before it started misfiring!), and I
posted to the list. I only got a very few responses... and I realize now
that that's because there are lots of things to check. It was the TPS in my
particular situation. And that wasn't something that was suggested. The
main suggestions I received were the 02 and the MAP sensors. Are you
getting the "check engine" light, David? If so, check the codes. One other
thing... does it do it all the time, or not? With my TPS problem, it would
come and go without deference to the heat of the engine or ambient
temperature. That would lead me to guess that a TFI might be able to
"partially" fail, too.

Andy Norris
Kansas Hick Ford Truck Driver

At 03:49 PM 11/8/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Paul, I'm glad you've gotten to the bottom of your problem! Myself (and
>some others on the list) are getting desperate trying to cure off-idle
>hesitation. My spark plugs are tight but you bring up a good question about
>the TFI module. Has anyone seen this thing fail partially so that the
>engine just runs poorly? I would think the TFI would be either good or bad.
>Mine idles well runs well at speed and the TFI correctly controls the spark
>advance, so I'm reluctant to replace it.
>
>I'm also considering an intake vacuum leak. Others have mentioned that the
>intake gaskets commonly go bad (not sure if it was the I6 or not). Anyway
>I'm considering replacing all intake manifold gaskets. While I have this
>off I may take the fuel injectors to have them cleaned. Anyone found the
>shops willing to take a handful of injectors and clean them for you?
>
>Thanks,
> >David Anderson

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:38:04 -0500
From: Emil Puhak
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

Yeah, I have something to argue about.. What about due process. Sure
they let you contest it but have you ever tried to argue against a black
box.. Various courts have decided the police don't even have to
understand how their Radar system functions. Now, we have private
corporations writing tickets for profit and if you contest it the tax
payer funded court will ensure your insurance company will know your
misdeeds. Sounds like blackmail to me.. But now that I think about it
I kind of like the idea... I'll save the government money by severely
beating burglars. If they pay me a fine, I'll reduce the beating, keep
the perp out of jail and split the proceeds with the county. They also
get no criminal record. If they contest the findings of my court they
get to go to jail for twice the normal time, have all their earthly
possessions confiscated and have a criminal record. Now that's
efficiency in the name of crime fighting and revenue enhancement.
Actually, I think it's time to get back to Ford trucks.....

FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/07/1999 teacherdad hotmail.com writes:
>
> used as the basis for mailing citations to vehicle owners? You've got to be
> kidding!!! >>
> The system used in the City and County of Denver has a technician (NOT a law
> enforcement officer) sitting along the side of the road, in a Ford mini-van,
> with a hi-tech camera and speed detection equipment. It is impressive!! I
> knew when I saw the strobe flash that I'd been had. 10 days later my
> ''ticket'' arrived in the mail, it had a picture of my Bronco (taken at a
> distance with speed and time super-imposed), a picture of my license plate
> (up close), and an inset pic of my face (you could even see my OH S**T!!!
> expression). All I had to do was fill in the boxes with my Visa #, sign it
> and mail it back. $35 fine with no points against my license and my
> insurance company never finds out about it, as long as I didn't contest it.
> What's to argue about?, I WAS doing 71 in a 55. Anyone else have similar
> systems in their area?
> Alex
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:49:51 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Photo Radar & Trucks

Alex,

I am in the Boulder area where the photo radar was first introduced in
Colorado. I got a photo-radar ticket in the mail also. Except it was not me
driving my wife's car. My name was the first name listed on the registration
so I got the ticket. Luckily it was during the probation period and I did
not have to fight it because it was just a warning.

Why hasn't this become an issue? How can you get a ticket when you were not
driving the car? For years they would always say it is the driver they are
finning and not the car. Now it looks like it's the car that is getting the
ticket and who cares who is driving it.

I also noticed that I do not get pulled over in my truck. When I drove a
Mustang I was being pulled over for just about anything that was slightly
out of place. Now that I drive an F-150 I have developed an even worse habit
of speeding because I never get noticed by the police

Scott
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:42:09 -0500
From: Emil Puhak
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Out of state tags=ticket

David W wrote:
>
>Actually, the residential speed limit in the state I live is 30 so start executing.....



> Doing anything over 25 in a residential area or 20 in a
> school zone should be grounds for summary execution. Or do....


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