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80-96-list-digest Monday, November 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number 313



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem
FTE 80-96 - 80 F100
FTE 80-96 - Re FTE 80-96 re 84 booster
FTE 80-96 - Stupid question
FTE 80-96 - Roscoe P. Coltraine
FTE 80-96 - Off road with a 2wd
Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric Fan
Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric Fan
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Roscoe P. Coltraine
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Off road with a 2wd
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
FTE 80-96 - Goodbye Ford...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New feature for users
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100
Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100
Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100
Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100
FTE 80-96 - Out of state tags=ticket
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
FTE 80-96 - TSP and Radar

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:07:17 -0500
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem

This subject has come up before and I think the conclusion was that there is
not much you can do about it. I changed the temp sensor and it didn't change
the gauge reading at all. My temp gauge reads about the same as yours. At
half scale that I am in full overheat. I just note the normal reading and as
long as it stays there I ignore it.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

- -----Original Message-----
From: joe delaurentis
To: new trucklist
Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 9:24 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem


>Group,
>my 92 Bronco (351w) has a temp gauge problem..It barely gets out of the
>C never
>makes it to the N in Normal...But I have changed the thrmostat and have
>blazing
>heat(ford does make a heater right!)...What should i check, I here there
>is
>more the one sensor for coolant temp??Any help?
>
>
>--
>Joe
>68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
>Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!
>
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 10:20:27 -0600
From: plsshick vzinet.com (Peter M. Shick)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100

I am working on restoring/upgrading a '80 F100 with the 300 I6 engine.
There are refernces to a Ford Change L16, in my parts books. Can anyone
tell me what Change L16 was? It appears that the change took place in '69,
and carried on into the early '80s. Thanks

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:13:14 -0800
From: "Dennis"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re FTE 80-96 re 84 booster

No need to remove brakeline, I replaced the booster on an 85 f150 and never
lost a drop of fluid, turned out to be a fairly easy job, 1 hour, good luck.

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 11:42:25 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Stupid question

OK

Who glued on the center caps on my 95 factory alloys? :-). I have the
chrome monster cap in back and the chrome ring that fits around the hub
in front. I tried yanking on them as hard as I could. I sure don't want
to pry against them and screw up the wheel. Any insites.

OX
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 12:47:16 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Roscoe P. Coltraine

I believe Roscoe is real; the rest: not too sure.
I know Roscoe is real, because he gave me a copy of "984", from which
was based the novel "1984". Sorry, you had to be there.

I understand all the cops in Oz carry those Bowie knives...David, or
Jim? At least they all wear cowboy hats and have nice tans.

Paul G.
Waynesboro, PROVA
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 10:07:49 -0800
From: Miller
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Off road with a 2wd

My vehicle is a F-150, 6cyl, 4spd.OD, 2wd truck (1986) I drive this truck every day. I pull a boat and haul a travel trailer. Also I do some
off-road exploring, but don't want to get stuck. A front hitch is installed so I can mount my winch front & rear. I'm serious about not getting
stuck. I have installed custom 15" wheels & 31x11.50 tires, also some Rancho 9000 shocks. I'll soon be installing 373 rear gears, and would like
to install some type of posi-trac device but...............what kind? LSD, detroit locker, air-locker? please help me decide, I just don't
know. I want to do the very best I can (off-road) with this2wd. R. Miller


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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:17:02 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric Fan

In a message dated 11/07/1999 01:46:02 AM Mountain Standard Time,
chrism cnx.net writes:


and
replaced it with a thermostaticly controlled electric one (Yes I deleted the
post by mistake!) What are the advantages of this and if it is a good idea,
what is the best fan type/size to use?
Thanks
Chris >>

I used an electric 14inch fan from a 98 Crown Vic (wrecked police car), then
went to a truck parts dealer and purchased a 195 degree Horton fan-stat and
mounted it in the water passage of the intake manifold near the thermostat
housing (351W-HO). Mounting the fan in front of the radiator and wiring it
up as a ''pusher'' I've given myself more room when I work under the hood
(room is at a premium especially on my old beater van). I've also noticed a
bit of performance gain at highway speeds climbing the mountains and a little
better gas mileage.... averaging around an extra 1/2 mile per gallon. Most
of the time, the fan is off as long as I am moving and not ''hot-footing''
the 4 barrel. It was an experiment that worked out to be great modification.
Try it!!
Alex

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 10:17:33 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric Fan

>Last week someone posted that they had removed thier original fan/shroud
>and
>replaced it with a thermostaticly controlled electric one (Yes I deleted
>the
>post by mistake!) What are the advantages of this and if it is a good idea,
>what is the best fan type/size to use?
>Thanks
>Chris
>'84 F150
>351W
>NP 435
>281K Km
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Chris,

Every one of my vehicles is equipped with (an) electric fan(s), if it has a
fan. Here is the reasoning:

1) When a vehicle is moving, the motion of the vehicle through the air
provides an apparent wind through the radiator that is sufficient to cool
most any engine. This is especially so if the radiator is not shrouded. In
fact, some 454 Corvettes had doors in their shrouds that opened to relieve
high pressure build-up between the fan and radiator that inhibited air flow
through the radiator that caused overheating at sustained high speeds. I
pulled a 4000 lb camper from Tennessee to Illinois and back with no fan,
with a 64 Chevy running a 350 LT-1 and a M21 Muncie 4 speed, 3.70 rear. For
the 4th of July campout.

2) I live in a rural area, and it is unusual to sit at any traffic light for
more than 2 cycles. Therefore my vehicles are nearly always moving.

3) a. Most of my vehicles have manual transmissions which do not dump heat
into the radiator as intercooled automatics do. b. My auto-trans vehicles
have aftermarket transmission coolers that don't dump heat in the radiator
like most factory trans coolers do.

4) ANY fan requires power to turn, and if running when not needed burns fuel
unnecessarily.

5) Without an engine-driven fan the engine belts can be much less tight and
still not slip, reducing side loads on the ancillary components' bearings,
greatly enhancing bearing life. I NEVER have replaced a water pump,
alternator, or power steering pump a second time. I have a water pump in an
83 Bronco, 302, SROD, driven daily, that has over 300k on it (the pump, not
the truck), now on engine #3, vehicle #4.

6) Fans make noise.

7) Most fans turn faster than the crank and are very difficult to balance
perfectly because of the bendable nature of their construction. Weight
balancing isn't the only factor--the thrust can also unbalance the fan,
especially those fans with odd-spaced blades to keep harmonics down. This
causes vibrations that further contribute to water pump bearing failure, as
well as shortens drive belt life.

8) An electric fan can provide much more airflow at low engine speeds like
stop-and-go traffic, rock crawling, and idling. Your A/C stays colder, and
your driveline fluids also are cooler. I have a 70 Cougar XR-7 Eliminator
convertible, 428 SCJ, 4 speed. Its only use is to haul beauty queens in
parades. The factory clutched fan resides in a box in the utility room. In
its place is a smaller elecrtic fan that is mounted with home made clamps to
the original shroud. Coolant temp ran hot enough I had to keep the RPM at
2500 to pull enough air to cool the engine while in parades with the stock
fan. Now it stays cool at idle. Don't freak, resto-nuts, no cutting was done
to fit the elctric fan--the car is easily restorable with a 7/16 wrench.

You can choose to spend a fortune for electric fans, but junkyards are full
of cars with factory electric fans and thermostats. Sheet aluminum easily is
formed into effective shrouds with tin snips and a rivet gun.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 10:36:23 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

Les,

Axel Foley, T J Hooker, Serpico, Jake & the Fat Man, Kojak, Columbo,
Beaufort T Justice And His Son, Mc Q, Harry Callahan, Turner & Hooch, Steve
McGarrett & Book'em Dano.

These are fictional characters. Must public safety officers spend more time
doing the mundane, like going to bars and running out minors, serving
warrants, to non-custodial parents who refuse to provide support for their
children, answering ridiculous calls like the mother is upset because her 23
year-old daughter spent the night at a man's apartment, hearing out the
bruised and bleeding woman who refuses to press charges for the 3rd time
this week, and opening doors for people who can't seem to remember to remove
their keys before locking the door.

Unfortunately, the nepotics like Roscoe P. Coltran do exist, but they are
dumber and even more crooked. Remember that Boss Hogg and Roscoe are
brothers-in-law.

And you forgot about Matt Dillon and the Lone Ranger and the Cisco Kid and
CHiPS and Adam 12 and....

And there are well-respected police officers. Our middle school officer put
a stop to the gang activities in the school by "arresting" offenders (cuffs,
Miranda, and search in plain view of everyone--extortion, sexual harassment,
and battery, mostly) and allowing the offenders to make contracts with him
covering how the offenders would behave in the future. Not only is the
school a safer and more pleasant learning environment, but the trouble
makers have gained attention and reinforcement for their success, becoming
contributors to the school rather than detractors. Only 2 had to be
incarcerated in the past year and 12 weeks, down from 10-12 per year from
years past. Discipline is back to worrying about gum under the desk seats,
not finding out who cut whom.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 10:39:15 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

Les,

Pictures of speeders taken by employees of contractors to the government
used as the basis for mailing citations to vehicle owners? You've got to be
kidding!!!

Ken

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 10:42:47 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Roscoe P. Coltraine

And they drive supercharged Javelins and dress in leather and leg braces.

Ooops, wrong movie.


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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 14:29:26 -0500
From: "Theodore D. Mills"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

>Geez, I don't know how the US police manage to function all. They seem to
>be populated with such a bunch of mis-fits and weirdo's with such a
>collection hang-ups, & chips-on- the-shoulder, and attitude problems, I
>could ever see. In no particular order: Axel Foley, T J Hooker, Serpico,
>Jake & the Fat Man, Kojak, Columbo, Beaufort T Justice And His Son, Mc Q,
>Harry Callahan, Turner & Hooch, Steve McGarrett & Book'em Dano, for
>starters.

Hey Les....

Frankly I think Harry Callahan had the right idea!

If you're misbehaving enought to get on his bad side.....

Do ya feel lucky?.......


Ted
84 Mustang GT (in pieces)
85 Ranger 2WD 2.8L
91 F250 4X4X460
94 Taurus LX wagon 3.8L


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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 11:32:25 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Off road with a 2wd

R.

With 31 inch tires the factory clutch-type limited slip will work well. You
may be able to find a good used rear axle with choice of gears and "Twin
Grip" much cheaper than building. I had a 79 with the I6 and 4-speed, not
overdrive. With 31/9.50-15s and 3.73 gear set was still too steep for
hauling heavy loads and campers, though it did get 21 mpg on the highway
with the tailgate down. 55 mph required downshifting on stteper hills. Since
I didn't really need the empty highway MPG, 4.10 or 4.11 gears would have
been a better choice.

In high school I terrorized the hicks in a 70 Maverick with a 250 I6 (3
single barrel carbs and Clifford headers), 3 spd stick, front disc brakes
and 3.90 Twin Grip 9 inch from a wrecked Mustang. I had +3 inch springs from
JCWhitney front and rear, and ran G60-15 mudgrips I got from a Gulf station.
They were about 28 inches high, give or take. I pulled a 15 foot fiberglass
runabout with a 65 Merc to some fairly nasty rockpits and ponds. Performance
in deep sand was amazing. Still, she returned 17 mpg with the cruise set at
65 on the interstate. The car returned 18.5 mpg with 3.23 gears and F70-14
tires (about the same height as the G60s). A lower 1st gear would have been
handy towing the boat in the sand and bopping the fire and logging roads in
the Smokies.

Now my daily driver is an 83 Bronco, 302, 4 spd OD (SROD), 3.55 and
31/10.50-15. Even with the Edelbrock Performer engine it could use more
gear, say in the 3.70-3.90 range for street use. I have low range in the
transfer case for off road, though.

With the overdrive as in your truck and the I6, I'd look at 4.10 or 4.11
gears very carefully, especially since you haul a boat and a camper. If
highway milage is not important at all, then even 4.56 gears would be
reasonable. The lower you go, the better you tow, but beyond a certain
point, highway driving is deteriorated badly.

Try this:

1) decide if your truck tows well enough as it is, if you don't use
overdrive.

2) compute your engine revolutions per mile in 3rd gear as things are now.

3) compute the gear ratio you would need to get the same engine revolutions
per mile if the tranny was in overdrive.

4) a. go one gearset range higher if economy is more important.(You figure
3.90 in OD is about the same as what you now have in 3rd. Get a 3.70 or 3.73
gearset.)

b. go one gear set lower if performance is more important to you. (You
figure 3.90 in OD is about the same as what you now have in 3rd. Get a 4.10
or 4.11 gearset.)

As for differentials, I used an all-gear unit called "Dual Drive" in my 79
F-100, and it worked great! I had a Detroit Locker in a 383 'Cuda and it was
only limited slip going forward. It spun only one wheel in revers, and it
was noisy. Fine for drag racing, not a good thing when backing out of a
sticky situation off road. I do not know if all Detroit Lockers are this
way, but look into it. Detroit lockers are strong as they come, but overkill
for an I6.

Personally, I'd look for a factory limited slip 9 inch to bolt in, and
rebuild it with 4.10 or 4.11 gears as the cheapest dependable way to limited
slip and enhanced driveability.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:35:06 EST
From: PSales264 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

All worth while jobs done, but would not have been done while running radar
on the interstate or village "catch-em" zone. Just my point.
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:50:13 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

In a message dated 11/5/99 2:50:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sgiddens ball.com writes:


interested in generating revenue and have lost any common. >>
Scott,
You summed it up in one line. To all the officers who are on this list, sorry
if my comment offended you. Like I stated, I know a FEW good cops, the rest
let the badge and authority go to their heads. If you are one of the good
ones...no offense intended.
later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
Atlanta GA
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:16:01 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

In a message dated 11/6/99 9:10:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, thegman cfw.com
writes:


Virginia.

Paul G.
Waynesboro, VA >>
Paul,
yeah I know about radar detector control too. I was ticketed in both Virginia
and DC for having my detector visible. But they couldnt confiscate it being
as I didn't live in that state. But they do make one now that can actually be
integrated into our Ford trucks(ford content). By placing the recievers in
the front grill and around the rear tag, having the actual lights and speaker
placed in the dash cluster or within view, you can kinda bypass that law. But
I agree with a lot of the comments made...now back to Ford trucks.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
Atlanta GA
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:14:19 -0800
From: "Beth and Tony Fischer"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Goodbye Ford...

Well gentlemen (and ladies),

It is time for me to say good bye to the fellow Ford owners. I am crossing
the line, getting rid of the truck for a Suburban. Please don't think less
of me for this, it is just that we need a people hauler and trailer hauler
in one, and the 97 Expeditions are just too expensive for our budget.
(Probably going to put a lot more money into fixing a Ch**y tho!!)

This list has been an invaluable tool for me, and I thank everyone for all
their responses.

Regards,

Tony
1986 F-150 XLT Lariat 4x4
Extended cab long bed
351W-HO with built C-6

Currently FOR SALE

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:25:07 -0600
From: "DannyF"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem

There have been numerous reports by techs/others here of the
same thing. Its a normal quirk for the Ford temp gauge for that era.

Mine since new normally runs between the cold area and rarely
reaches N in the "normal" on a 300-6.

Danny

>
> Group,
> my 92 Bronco (351w) has a temp gauge problem..It barely gets out of the
> C never
> makes it to the N in Normal...But I have changed the thrmostat and have
> blazing
> heat(ford does make a heater right!)...What should i check, I here there
> is
> more the one sensor for coolant temp??Any help?
>


Danny
danf01 worldnet.att.net
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 10:49:15 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100

At 10:20 07/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
> I am working on restoring/upgrading a '80 F100 with the 300 I6 engine.
>There are refernces to a Ford Change L16, in my parts books. Can anyone
>tell me what Change L16 was? It appears that the change took place in '69,
>and carried on into the early '80s. Thanks

Do the books imply that this was an engine change or a change to the truck
in general?

1969 was around the time Detroit started lowering compression ratios to
reduce NOx and allow transition to lower octane gas. This is just a wild
ss guess on my part, though. I have never heard of the specific change you
ask about.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:29:33 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New feature for users

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has added a new feature which the
users should find useful: "The Ford Truck Top 100"

This is a ranking of the Top 100 Ford truck sites on the
Internet. Currently, there are no sites ranked. Feel
free to add your web site! This ranking is open to
all Ford truck sites, personal or commercial. With this
system, you sign up and it gives you the HTML to put in
your page. Visitors to your site can then rank your site
1-10. The rankings are updated once an hour. The sites
with the highest overall combined votes and rank gets
the highest ranking.

Check it out at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/topsites/topsites.html

Enjoy!
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:34:16 -0600
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?

>>By the way, anyone know how to clean up soot?
>


Try Simple Green, then vacuum it dry with a shop vac.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:38:16 -0600
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100

> I am working on restoring/upgrading a '80 F100 with the 300 I6 engine.
>There are refernces to a Ford Change L16, in my parts books. Can anyone
>tell me what Change L16 was? It appears that the change took place in '69,
>and carried on into the early '80s. Thanks
>

Does the 80 have the swiss cheese frame?


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."


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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 22:17:48 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100

At 22:38 07/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Does the 80 have the swiss cheese frame?

Mine does not.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:23:41 -0600
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100

>At 22:38 07/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>Does the 80 have the swiss cheese frame?
>
>Mine does not.
>

I wonder which one did? I know there was one year where they tried
lightening up the trucks by punching big holes in the frames. Anyone know?


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 20:36:46 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100

The 1980 year was an experimental year for the F-100/Bronco platforms. There
were, I think, 6 different frame/suspension designs that year.

Bob


Blake Malkamaki wrote:

> >At 22:38 07/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
> >>
> >>Does the 80 have the swiss cheese frame?
> >
> >Mine does not.
> >
>
> I wonder which one did? I know there was one year where they tried
> lightening up the trucks by punching big holes in the frames. Anyone know?
>
> Blake
> Little Mountain
> Concord, Ohio
> Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
> "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
> "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."
>
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:37:18 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

In a message dated 11/07/1999, FLR150 aol.com writes :

let the badge and authority go to their heads. If you are one of the good
ones.. >>
Wayne,
no offense, but that's kind of a narrow view, don't ya think? Like saying
there's a FEW good Fords, and the REST are un-reliable.
Alex
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 00:00:23 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

In a message dated 11/07/1999 teacherdad hotmail.com writes:

used as the basis for mailing citations to vehicle owners? You've got to be
kidding!!! >>
The system used in the City and County of Denver has a technician (NOT a law
enforcement officer) sitting along the side of the road, in a Ford mini-van,
with a hi-tech camera and speed detection equipment. It is impressive!! I
knew when I saw the strobe flash that I'd been had. 10 days later my
''ticket'' arrived in the mail, it had a picture of my Bronco (taken at a
distance with speed and time super-imposed), a picture of my license plate
(up close), and an inset pic of my face (you could even see my OH S**T!!!
expression). All I had to do was fill in the boxes with my Visa #, sign it
and mail it back. $35 fine with no points against my license and my
insurance company never finds out about it, as long as I didn't contest it.
What's to argue about?, I WAS doing 71 in a 55. Anyone else have similar
systems in their area?
Alex
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:17:48 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100

Actually, 1971 to 1974 was the time span that saw the end of real
compression and the foisting of gasoline with the octan rating of guava
jelly on us. All cars were unleaded only by 74, and trucks followed shortly
thereafter.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:20:22 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?

Thanks, Blake. I'll try Simple Green if disolveAll doesn't work.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:21:31 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 80 F100

83 Broncos don't have holes.

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Date: 7 Nov 1999 21:55:47 -0800
From: "David W"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Out of state tags=ticket

Ron Freidel said:
> Perhaps it would be a good idea to post Reasonable And Prudent as a
> nation wide speed limit, but with all honesty I don't believe that the
> average driver out there is reasonable and prudent.

Its been MY experience that most people are not near as good a driver
as they think they are. Unless you understand terms like understeer,
oversteer,
apex, drift, power slide, you probably dont have a clue as to why your
vehicle handles the way it does. Do you drive fast? If so, do you
know how fast you can stop on dry pavement? Wet pavement? In the
rain? Snow? Ice? I take every vehicle I buy and "test" its stopping
abilities
on empty roads/highways. I abuse my brakes to learn the ragged edge of
a skid under all conditions...and when we get some ice/snow, I go to the
empty parking lots for some practice in entering and recovering from a
slide or spin.

Does any of this make ME a good driver? Maybe. Maybe not.
Maybe I cant drive worth beans but Ill tell you this: I know many
of my vehicle's limits. I know how hard I can keep on the brakes
while steering around an object. I know how the steering, ride and
pedal feel right before the tires lock up. Because I know the limits
of my vehicle (and the limits of my F250 are not what you would
exactly call awe inspiring) I am more likely to drive a bit slower
and give a bit more following distance.

Oh, and the out of state tags? Ill bet you know the hometown
roads like the back of your hand. You know all the scary sections
of freeway, where people tend to brake suddenly for reasons only
known to the locals and having to do with traffic lights and merging
cars, etc. You know what sections of road are likely to have a
deer or moose jump out. Well, the OUT OF STATE GUY DOES
NOT KNOW THIS. He will be involved in more accidents
at a given speed than you or I will. When I am the out of state person,
I slow down a bit because I dont want to smack someone. It tends
to mess up a vacation. "but Dave, I was in the middle of nowhere,
100 miles from Suckertown, Ohio." Waaah, freaking waah. You
think cops target out of state tags? Then slow the hell down. Now
that most speed limits are 65-70, deal with it. Since we are on a
Truck list, you have GOT to know a truck is a terrible vehicle at
both handling and braking. We are the LAST things that should
be doing 80mph down the highway... Heavy and underbraked,
we will survive most accidents while killing the innocent guy doing
the speed limit in his Escort.

I have had a couple speeding tickets in my life, once I was doing
38 in a 35 zone on my motorcycle. Waah. I was guilty of speeding
every time. For every time I got a ticket there must be 10,000 times
I never got caught. So deal with it.

Doing anything over 25 in a residential area or 20 in a
school zone should be grounds for summary execution. Or do
you want me going 40 past YOUR house and YOUR kids
school in MY truck?

Good lord, a long off topic post that nobody cares to read. Sorry!

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:18:16 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

ken haley wrote:

> Les,
>
> Pictures of speeders taken by employees of contractors to the government
> used as the basis for mailing citations to vehicle owners? You've got to be
> kidding!!!
>

Ken,
You got it in One.
The contractor operated speed camera trap is a fact of life, and has been
raised for discussion in other states. The Infringement Notice is mailed to the
Registered Vehicle Owner. You have the customary 21 days to dispose of the
matter, that is Pay Up or Else. You have the right to a copy of the photo, for
a fee of course. If you were not the driver of the car at the time of the
'picture taking' you must notify them who the driver was, and they will be
served with the notice. If you choose to ignore the notice, the vehicle
registration and /or drivers licence will be cancelled. No renewal until all
outstanding fines are settled up. No court time wasting here!!
I suppose the next step is to pop your picture, automatically debit your amex,
diner's club, etc. Card and include the receipt with the 'Infringement Notice'
My question still stands Re: the relationship between speed, fines, and profit.
I'm not sure if I should just write nasty letters to the newspapers or buy
shares in the company, I wonder if their listed on the SX? Now I suppose
somebody it going to tell me that they are doing this out of a sense of 'public
service' and profit is of no consideration ? Yeah .. Sure ... We got Two Words
for that also...... B**l S*** !!! Imagine, if you will for just a moment,
what sort of a person takes on a job like this, your at a party and someone
introduces a third person as a contract radar operator, I reckon that would
stop the conversation - cold!! Judas would get a warmer reception.
I was in S.A. 12 months ago staying with locals, he is a member of the SA
police, and travelling around with him was relatively OK, He knew the cars to
look for and where they would most likely to be. Even as a police officer, he
has no way of talking himself out of a fine, either. The real important thing
is - It Could be coming to a county near you, real soon now !!

Hey Alex - $35.00 for being 16 mph Over ?? no points of the licence ?? On on my
way, to have more fun, in Denver. You call $35 a fine? that's just a mild
inconvienence....

The better half reciently got done for 120kph in a 100kph zone, That gets you a
$181 fine and 3 points of the licence, and that's the cheap one !!


Isn' t this list great, there is not a subject somebody doesn't have an opinion
about, and the things I have learnt.....

Thank You for the info on Roscoe P. Coltraine, now you tell me he is real ?
Oh and carrying a knife, Bowie or any other, quite visible or secreted about
your person, is an offence. If crocodile dundee walked thru the cbd of Sydney,
he would be asked to loose the knife or face prosecution. If you are coming
down to Oz for a visit, that's great, enjoy your selves, but leave the
'hardware' at home.

Wow, doesn't the media have a lot to answer for !!....But I'm still having
Fun....in a Ford....

Les
Lost in the Land Of OZ


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 05:54:37 -0500
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TSP and Radar

Can anybody tell me why the mechanical connection between my carb and the
TPS has been removed? I have been meaning to ask this question for a long
time but haven't because my truck seems to run fine without it.

BTW - They have been using speeding cameras in Germany for a long time. They
do occasionally have some adverse effects. One fellow was having a day out
with his mistress and never realized that he had been photographed for
speeding. When the ticket arrived at his house guess who opened the mail and
saw the ticket with all of the pertinent information and a perfect picture....


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