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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Radar
FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar
FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!
RE: FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Missing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
FTE 80-96 - 84 booster
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!
FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar
FTE 80-96 - Intro and Fender Well Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Intro and Fender Well Question
FTE 80-96 - Pinging problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 booster
RE: FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Missing
Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 booster
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?
FTE 80-96 - Electric Fan
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 09:05:15 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Radar

As a resident of the Peoples Republic of Virginia, we are not even
legally allowed to use a radar detector!

With all these idiots using cell phones, causing them to drive in
erratic ways, you'd think you would hear of one who was pulled over by
the law. Never have read about that. Must be too hard to prove in
court. Why grab those when, since the goal is to collect money, radar
cases are SO much easier?

I wish that some powerful lawyer or politician would get smashed by
someone using a car phone, so that this issue will finally get its due.

I have been driving for a long time and have had good and bad
experiences with the law, but I have no respect for these guys when
running speed traps. Just think about it: highly trained officers
collecting "tips" from drivers. We call them Motorized Meter Maids.

Human nature being what it is, I agree with Wayne Foy that most govts.
are corrupt. Funny I never hear about any cops (the majority which are
supposed to be called "ok") complaining about the "bad" speed traps!
Maybe the majority shouldn't be assumed OK until proven as such.

Talk about gun control...radar detection control is alive and well in
Virginia.

Paul G.
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:38:36 EST
From: BRIGANDBAR aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar

In a message dated 99-11-06 06:45:13 EST, you write:



From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar

In a message dated 11/05/1999 , BRIGANDBAR aol.com writes:

>>
I'd rather have the government set the speed limits than leave it to the
discretion of the individuals >>
>>>

Sorry, but your statement is precisely what is wrong with the country, and
the attitude of government officials in this day and age. May I invite you
to read the Federalist Papers, and the other writings of the framers of the
Constitution as you take the opportunity to rethink that which you have said
here.

And then, ask yourself, "Where should this stop?" At what point would you
allow individual rights, as guaranteed in the aforereferenced document, to
prevail?

And if you still have doubts, you might just pick up a copy of "984" by
George Orwell.

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:28:24 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!

David posted:

>>You've checked about everything. I think you next have to find out if
it's
>>fuel/air or spark related. I'm in the process of working on a bad
>>hesitation problem on my 300 six so I'm interested in what you find
out.

Hey, I think I've solved the hesitation problem in my '94 300ci. I
think I had two different problems that compounded one another: a
hesitation under acceleration and terrible starting/running when wet. I
replaced the TFI module, which appears to have cured the wetness problem,
then discovered that spark plugs #5 and #6 had worked themselves loose!
Like, finger tight. I installed those plugs (Bosch) myself, with a
torque wrench, less than two years ago. Out came the Bosches, in went an
old set I had lying around, away went the hesitation. People on these
lists seem to like NGK plugs, so I'll probably drop in a set of those.
Thumbs down to Ford for their design on the fender-mounted TFI
module. The module mounts in an aluminum heat sink that mounts to the
fender. You can remove the whole unit from the truck, but you cannot
unbolt the TFI from the heat sink without a very deep, very thin-walled,
metric socket. I didn't have one. Sears didn't have one. The mechanic
at the Sears Auto Shop didn't have one. I had to take the thing to a
Ford dealer; good thing it says "Motorcraft" on the module. Thumbs up to
the service manager at Mike Raisor Ford: he found the appropriate tool
and removed the bolts for me, no charge. I replaced them with Allen-head
bolts when I installed the new TFI ($50 from Autozone, with a lifetime
guarantee). Don't forget to apply grease between the module and the heat
sink.
I hope this helps somebody.

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'73 F100 FE -still in pieces
'98 VT1100 Aero -riding season almost over :-(

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:57:23 -0600
From: "Webdoc"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!

A cheap 1/4 in drive socket and a bench grinder will solve the TFI removal
problem. Last night I pulled the Autolites in my '94 300 for the NGK's. I
also found a couple of plugs that were finger tight. Even after I torqued
the new ones to spec, I found one that would work loose while putting the
boot back on it! Anyone else notice this?

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Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!


David posted:

>>You've checked about everything. I think you next have to find out if
it's
>>fuel/air or spark related. I'm in the process of working on a bad
>>hesitation problem on my 300 six so I'm interested in what you find
out.

Hey, I think I've solved the hesitation problem in my '94 300ci. I
think I had two different problems that compounded one another: a
hesitation under acceleration and terrible starting/running when wet. I
replaced the TFI module, which appears to have cured the wetness problem,
then discovered that spark plugs #5 and #6 had worked themselves loose!
Like, finger tight. I installed those plugs (Bosch) myself, with a
torque wrench, less than two years ago. Out came the Bosches, in went an
old set I had lying around, away went the hesitation. People on these
lists seem to like NGK plugs, so I'll probably drop in a set of those.
Thumbs down to Ford for their design on the fender-mounted TFI
module. The module mounts in an aluminum heat sink that mounts to the
fender. You can remove the whole unit from the truck, but you cannot
unbolt the TFI from the heat sink without a very deep, very thin-walled,
metric socket. I didn't have one. Sears didn't have one. The mechanic
at the Sears Auto Shop didn't have one. I had to take the thing to a
Ford dealer; good thing it says "Motorcraft" on the module. Thumbs up to
the service manager at Mike Raisor Ford: he found the appropriate tool
and removed the bolts for me, no charge. I replaced them with Allen-head
bolts when I installed the new TFI ($50 from Autozone, with a lifetime
guarantee). Don't forget to apply grease between the module and the heat
sink.
I hope this helps somebody.

lordjanusz juno.com
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'73 F100 FE -still in pieces
'98 VT1100 Aero -riding season almost over :-(

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 08:09:49 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar

FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/05/1999 , BRIGANDBAR aol.com writes:
> >
> I'd rather have the government set the speed limits than leave it to the
> discretion of the individuals to decide how fast is ''reasonable and
> prudent''....the individual will almost always over-estimate his driving
> ability and under-estimate the road and traffic conditions. The speed limit
> protects us from those that THINK they know what is best. I don't like the
> idea of sharing the road with drivers that have no fear of retribution.

Hi All,
I don't think it's quite as simple as that. Down here in Oz, up till
a year or
so back, two of our states had no max. speed limits outside suburbia.
Your speed
is your decision, but make a bad call and the onus is on you to prove,
you were
doing so in a safe manner, you are capable of handling the vehicle, and
the
vehicle is capable of handling that speed, and that's tougher than it
sounds, in a
court of law. Even in New South Wales, we have a celebrated case of a
Bentley
Sports owner overturning a speeding charge. Expert testimony verified
the Bentley
was built to handle speeds in excess of 200kph, and the only other car
on the road
at that time was a highway patrol car not designed or built to exceed
200kph - in
hot persuit.

The other serious problem is, If you loose it and leave the road at
speed: 1) you
have to survive the impact, and 2) be rescued
Outback Oz Road Justice can be swift & ruthless. Numerous cars have
disappeared of
the road, and days or weeks later been found with the occupants
deceased.
Around the Outback, cattle (amongst other products) are moved by semi
trailers
called road trains, this is a prime mover haulin' up to four (4)
trailers. Or
nearly 60 tyres on the road to check. You don't play silly buggers with
these
trucks. You make sure you stay well in front of them, regardless of
speed or move
well over and let 'em thru. If it's an unsealed road, as most of it is,
the dust
they raise, and stones lifted usually prevent you from following any
closer than a
quarter mile or so. The drivers of these trucks usually can't see beyond
the
second trailer thru the rear view mirrors. Passing is dangerous at best,
and
deteriorates from that, about the worst scene you can come across is
cresting a
hill and seeing two of these road trains coming head on to you, in a
overtaking
manouver.

In the unrestricted speed zones, the speed you chose to drive at is your
decision.
You live or die by it. I would call that the ultimate retribution.

Regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:54:04 -0600
From: "Shawn & Jennifer Clark"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Missing

Ken,

YMMV = Your mileage may vary

I'm still looking for a quality pair of "hooter" plugs. Autozone didn't
have any, and the ABC Auto Parts girl was so upset I won't be allowed to
come back.

Andy, one other thing. With the wire problem you described you should try
to do what you can to keep the wires from rubbing. I've had the same sort
of trouble, and used the extra cable separators in my new plug wire box to
rig things up so that none of the wires can come into contact with one
another. I must have a dozen of them at different locations now and I wish
I had a few more for extra insurance. Also, if you had one wire go bad,
the others are now suspect--they tend to start failing about the same time.

Shawn Clark

>>From: "ken haley"

Shawn,

"YMMV"?


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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:57:31 -0500
From: Ron Freidel
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar

Hi All,

it has been an interesting thread thus far, just thought I would enter
in my two cents worth... I apologize if it this is off topic.

I moved to Ohio about a year ago from Montana where the "speed limit"
was Reasonable And Prudent, while I lived in MT those I knew
usually drove whatever the particular vehicle we were in at the time
"liked" My '81 F350 would speed down hills at 65, though usually I
drove near 60, my car would usually go around 75 so that is how I drove
it (weather permitting).

the only cars/trucks that would pass us by would be the out of staters
who felt that we didn't have a speed limit so they could drive as fast
as they wanted, the nightly news from Butte would usually be covering a
story about some out of towner who had either run off the road or into
something like a bus load of kids coming home from school.

I like many others don't really care when they hurt themselves, it
gives the volunteer fire department something to do, but when they hurt
others.... I feel that public hanging would be an appropriate
punishment.

Now I find myself living in Ohio, boy what a change, here the minimum
speed on the hiway seems to be around 80, one motorcycle cop that hangs
out in my computer store says he usually gets his quota of speeding
tickets by noon so he can relax the rest of the day, and yes, he
targets those with out of state plates, but he has also told me that
their policy is not to pull over anyone unless they are going over 80.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to post Reasonable And Prudent as a
nation wide speed limit, but with all honesty I don't believe that the
average driver out there is reasonable and prudent.

On Sat, 06 Nov 1999, les williams wrote:
> FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:
>
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:11:33 -0600
From: "Ed Mount"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

I missed the connection between corrupt governments and speed traps and gun
control.

I agree on the cell phone issue. Use of cell phones while driving is
dangerous.

I agree that many governments are corrupt, and in my own opinion there is a
lot of corruption in our own government.

Speed traps are only bad if they are selective, and if they are dishonest.
If you know the speed limit, exceed it, and get a ticket, be a man and
accept that you gambled and lost. Yeah, sometimes those speed limits are
ridiculous, but usually not. Deal with it. The last time I got a ticket,
the trooper was even a little apologetic, but I just laughed and told him he
made my wife's day. She was in the car and was laughing because I usually
get just a warning, while she always gets a ticket. (I cringe when I ride
with her, she has a lead foot and no judgement of speed, or distance.) Why
are the cops always the bad guys? As long as they ticket EVERY driver who
is clocked exceeding the limit. But if they are just cherry picking,
letting friends and neighbors and the local mayor pass, yes, that is wrong.
When I was a teenager, my state had no speed limit as such, the limit was
decided by the trooper observing if you were driving in a manner "safe for
conditions." So it was up to the lawman's judgement. Some were pretty
tolerant, some were not very tolerant at all. There were all kinds of
standards. Needless to say, your age was a factor in this equation, and
speeding teenagers got more tickets than speeding adults.

I do have a problem with outlawing radar detectors, though. I always
thought someone would challenge the constitutionality of that and win,
someday.

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To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 8:10 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Radar

|Human nature being what it is, I agree with Wayne Foy that most govts.
|are corrupt. Funny I never hear about any cops (the majority which are
|supposed to be called "ok") complaining about the "bad" speed traps!
|Maybe the majority shouldn't be assumed OK until proven as such.
|
|Talk about gun control...radar detection control is alive and well in
|Virginia.

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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 16:24:37 -0800
From: "S.Harkema"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 84 booster

Do I have to remove the brake lines off of the master cylinder to
change the power brake booster on a 84 F-250?
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:48:33 -0600
From: "Ed Mount"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar

Ron,
I tried to make the point in a previous post that "reasonable and prudent"
is a difficult standard. As a teenager, there were lots of states with
"reasonable and prudent" speed limit laws, and the problem was that you
were gambling your definition of r&p with the cop's definition. He always
won.

I am in favor of real but reasonable speed limits. That way you as a
speeder should know what to expect. Except you don't, it seems, because in
my travels I find that enforcement ranges all over the place. In some
places, anything goes, in others it doesn't. But I rarely find any open
highway enforcement of speed limits if you are less than 10 mph over the
limit.

And yes, you are absolutely right, a lot of drivers out there will take
every advantage of whatever speed limit is posted and exceed it mightily. I
don't care on 4 lane divided highways, but it can get real scary on two lane
backroads. These crazies not only speed, they get on your bumper and try to
get you to speed, too. (True story: a trucker got on my bumper one night,
so I slowed down to the speed limit, and when he finally passed me, he truly
tried to run me off the road, he was ballistic. Have you ever seen an
18-wheeler handled like a sports car?)

Yes, I expect this is getting way off topic, as you say, but sure is an
interesting, thought-provoking subject, isn't it? Kind of like religion and
politics.

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From: Ron Freidel
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar


|I moved to Ohio about a year ago from Montana where the "speed limit"
|was Reasonable And Prudent, while I lived in MT those I knew
|usually drove whatever the particular vehicle we were in at the time
|(snip
|Now I find myself living in Ohio, boy what a change, here the minimum
|speed on the hiway seems to be around 80,
(snip)
|Perhaps it would be a good idea to post Reasonable And Prudent as a
|nation wide speed limit, but with all honesty I don't believe that the
|average driver out there is reasonable and prudent.

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:26:32 -0500
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!

There is an inexpensive tool at your local parts store for removing the TFI
module. I have one and as I recall it was around $3.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul M Radecki
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 10:03 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!


>David posted:
>

> but you cannot
>unbolt the TFI from the heat sink without a very deep, very thin-walled,
>metric socket. I didn't have one. Sears didn't have one. The mechanic
>at the Sears Auto Shop didn't have one. I had to take the thing to a
>Ford dealer; good thing it says "Motorcraft" on the module. Thumbs up to
>the service manager at Mike Raisor Ford: he found the appropriate tool
>and removed the bolts for me, no charge. I replaced them with Allen-head
>bolts when I installed the new TFI ($50 from Autozone, with a lifetime
>guarantee). Don't forget to apply grease between the module and the heat
>sink.
> I hope this helps somebody.
>
>lordjanusz juno.com
>'94 F150 300ci -runs like new!
>'73 F100 FE -still in pieces
>'98 VT1100 Aero -riding season almost over :-(
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:11:07 EST
From: PMckee5253 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!

I have a 91 F 150 300 i6 and have the same problem with the number six plug
but am affraid to put any sealent on it. Is it ok to do so?
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:17:32 -0500
From: joe delaurentis
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem

Group,
my 92 Bronco (351w) has a temp gauge problem..It barely gets out of the
C never
makes it to the N in Normal...But I have changed the thrmostat and have
blazing
heat(ford does make a heater right!)...What should i check, I here there
is
more the one sensor for coolant temp??Any help?


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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 18:41:54 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar

>In a message dated 99-11-06 06:45:13 EST, you write:
>
>
>
> From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar
>
> In a message dated 11/05/1999 , BRIGANDBAR aol.com writes:
>
> >>
> I'd rather have the government set the speed limits than leave it to the
> discretion of the individuals >>
> >>>
>
>Sorry, but your statement is precisely what is wrong with the country, and
>the attitude of government officials in this day and age. May I invite you
>to read the Federalist Papers, and the other writings of the framers of the
>Constitution as you take the opportunity to rethink that which you have
>said
>here.
>
>And then, ask yourself, "Where should this stop?" At what point would you
>allow individual rights, as guaranteed in the aforereferenced document, to
>prevail?
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"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is
wholly inadequate to the government of any other." JOHN ADAMS

When was the last time you were in prayer? If you read the scriptures of any
of the world's major religions, you will fun a statement such as, "Obey the
laws of your government."

Until you've studied the teachings of the people that were studied by the
framers of the constitution (the composing of which was an act of treason,
by the way), please refrain from trying to preach any interpretation of
documents such as the Federalist papers. Without knowledge of classic
studies one can understand neither the intent nor the words of the
documents.

Besides, like "a wall of separation between church and state", the
Federalist papers are not law. In fact, The Federalist was a newspaper, a
political tool disseminating propaganda, and nothing more.

Are you in a militia?
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>And if you still have doubts, you might just pick up a copy of "984" by
>George Orwell.

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Wasn't that "1984" by George Orwell?

"Unconscious beliefs are those we mistake for truth or reality. We don't
say, 'I believe this is so.' We say, 'This is truth.' Unconscious beliefs
lie at the root of fundamentalism; true believers zealously defend their
beliefs and ideas as ultimate truth, confusing their opinions with the word
of God." --Dan Millman.

Peace be with you,
Ken
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 18:54:19 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar

>In the unrestricted speed zones, the speed you chose to drive at is your
>decision.
>You live or die by it. I would call that the ultimate retribution.
>
>Regards
>
>Les
>Lost in the Land of OZ
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Les,

One not only lives and dies by one's choice of speed, but a bad decision can
take that choice away from another, something no person EVER has a right to
do. A speeding drunk with a 1.6 BAC and 4 prior DUI convictions killed
Heather's, mother, father, and sister, and left Heather paralyzed from just
above the waste, down. Tell Heather speed limit and DUI laws are unfair.

Fact is, nearly all people rate their own driving abilities above average,
and those in the highest insurance risk groups tend to rate their abilities
higher than that! O O O O
can see out.

Ken

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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:04:12 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar

Have you ever seen an
>18-wheeler handled like a sports car?)
>
SURE HAVE, MANY TIMES. AND THESE ARE "REASONABLE AND PRUDENT"
"PROFESSIONALS"? GET LICENSE NUMBERS AND CALL THE POLICE WITH YOUR CELL
PHONE.

>Yes, I expect this is getting way off topic, as you say, but sure is an
>interesting, thought-provoking subject, isn't it? Kind of like religion
>and
>politics.

HMMMMM!?!?!?

>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Freidel
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 5:39 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar
>
>
>|I moved to Ohio about a year ago from Montana where the "speed limit"
>|was Reasonable And Prudent, while I lived in MT those I knew
>|usually drove whatever the particular vehicle we were in at the time
>|(snip
>|Now I find myself living in Ohio, boy what a change, here the minimum
>|speed on the hiway seems to be around 80,
>(snip)
>|Perhaps it would be a good idea to post Reasonable And Prudent as a
>|nation wide speed limit, but with all honesty I don't believe that the
>|average driver out there is reasonable and prudent.
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:16:47 -0600
From: "Henry Labiche"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Intro and Fender Well Question

Hello,
My name is Henry Labiche, and I hail from Clarksville, Tennessee. I
recently acquired a 1982 F100. The truck is in great shape to include a
rust free body, and I'd like to keep it that way. I was washing the truck
today and noticed a gravel and mud sediment in-between the bed walls and
fender wells above both rear tires. I've seen a few trucks of this type
perforate in this location. I got as much of the gravel and mud out of the
area as I could using a #0 flat tip screwdriver, a steady stream of water,
and these "ape hanger" arms of mine. Is there any thing else I can do to
get the smaller chunks out of there? Does this area come apart? I've
checked my Haynes manual, but it doesn't go into that kind of detail. TIA

Henry Labiche
Clarksville, Tennessee
boxerduo usit.net
ICQ UIN 5514178

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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:25:25 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?

Hmmmm?

I wonder what is going on in Dearborn? An over-fused wire in my Mustang set
the car on fire. Poor engineering. I went to my local dealer (who is about
as useless as tits on a boar hog, anyway), to try to find out how to remove
soot from the interior. While I was standing at the parts counter the
service manager went out and wrote up an estimate to repair my car. Tired of
waiting for the dipheads to admit they didn't know didly about soot (they
wanted to sell me some $13 bottle of Ford goop that cleans interiors) I
headed for the door. The service manager was on his way back in and handed
me an estimate for over $9000 and a bill for $182 dollars for doing the
estimate!!! I "politely" explained that I didn't ask for an estimate, and if
I wanted an estimate I sure wouldn't ask him because of the dealer's 2% fee
for doing one.

Anyway, I went to Ford's home page and e-mailed their owner care people.
After 10 days I got a reply: Go to your local dealer.

Sheesh. O O O O

These types of events make me thankful for this newsgroup (or whatever this
is) because it is real help when needed.

By the way, anyone know how to clean up soot?

Ken

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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:27:40 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?

Hmmmm?

I wonder what is going on in Dearborn? An over-fused wire in my Mustang set
the car on fire. Poor engineering. I went to my local dealer (who is about
as useless as tits on a boar hog, anyway), to try to find out how to remove
soot from the interior. While I was standing at the parts counter the
service manager went out and wrote up an estimate to repair my car. Tired of
waiting for the dipheads to admit they didn't know didly about soot (they
wanted to sell me some $13 bottle of Ford goop that cleans interiors) I
headed for the door. The service manager walked out of his office and handed
me an estimate for over $9000 and a bill for $182 for doing the estimate!!!
I "politely" explained that I didn't ask for an estimate, recomended a dark
place he could stick it, and told him if I wanted an estimate I sure
wouldn't ask him because of the dealer's 2% fee for doing one.

Anyway, I went to Ford's home page and e-mailed their owner care people.
After 10 days I got a reply: Go to your local dealer.

Sheesh. O O O O

These types of events make me thankful for this newsgroup (or whatever this
is) because it is real help when needed.

By the way, anyone know how to clean up soot?

Ken

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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:39:11 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Intro and Fender Well Question

Henry,

Any place mud catches in a vehicle becomes a potential rust point. Mud not
only holds moisture, but also whatever is dissolved in that moisture, such
as road salt.

Be very careful with the screwdriver. Much modern sheet metal is galvanized,
and galvanizing is a coating that can be scratched off. Then the rust
starts.

Look up "Shaklee" in the white pages. Ask about "Basic H". Mix as directed.
If in doubt, add water. Spray the goop on and work it in with a carwash
brush or something similar. I've found a toilet bowel brush works well on my
Broncos. Spray with a hard jet of water or a pressure washer. Don't give up,
it will eventually come clean.

Ken

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:48:01 -0600
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Pinging problem

thanks everybody for their help but problem is now solved.

thanks
I had the timing set at 10BTDC factory set up
and I have minor mods
so i took out the distributor and rotated the gear and put it back
in(because there was no adjustment left it was hitting the intake manifold)
and adjusted to 9BTDC and the pinging went away and the truck drives a lot
better which is wierd it usually drives worse to retard the timing more.
so thanks for your help but the problem it fixed even running 87 octane now.

thnaks again

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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 20:54:59 PST
From: "Christopher Worley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 booster

No, You don't HAVE too but I would just to relive the strain on the brake
lines.

Chris


>From: "S.Harkema"
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "80-96-list ford-trucks.com"
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - 84 booster
>Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 16:24:37 -0800
>
>Do I have to remove the brake lines off of the master cylinder to
>change the power brake booster on a 84 F-250?
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 22:57:52 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Hesitation problem solved!

Carefully(!) clean the spark plug hole threads in the head with a tap or a
chaser to ensure all carbon deposits are out and the plug seats properly.

At 11:57 06/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>A cheap 1/4 in drive socket and a bench grinder will solve the TFI removal
>problem. Last night I pulled the Autolites in my '94 300 for the NGK's. I
>also found a couple of plugs that were finger tight. Even after I torqued
>the new ones to spec, I found one that would work loose while putting the
>boot back on it! Anyone else notice this?
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 23:19:17 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Temp Gauge Problem

At 21:17 06/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Group,
>my 92 Bronco (351w) has a temp gauge problem..It barely gets out of the
>C never
>makes it to the N in Normal...But I have changed the thrmostat and have
>blazing
>heat(ford does make a heater right!)...What should i check, I here there
>is
>more the one sensor for coolant temp??Any help?

There is only one temp sender for the guage. Have you replaced it? If you
want to test out the rest of the guage system, connect a 10 ohm 10 watt
power resistor (available at Radio Shack) between a ground and the wire at
the engine instead of the temp sender. You can do this on a cold engine.
With key then turned on, temp guage should read within 1 needle width of
the H line. If not, sender is not the problem; check IVR. If needle goes
where it is supposed to be, sender is bad.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 23:24:49 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?

At 19:27 06/11/99 PST, you wrote:
>Hmmmm?
>
>I wonder what is going on in Dearborn? An over-fused wire in my Mustang set
>the car on fire. Poor engineering.

It happens all the time. I just found a 15 amp(!) fuse feeding the two
courtesy lights in the back of my '63 Riviera. These two lights might take
an amp or two. I replaced the fuse with a 5A.


>By the way, anyone know how to clean up soot?

I have never (thankfully) had to deal with a fire. I suggest you contact a
company the cleans your house after a fire to see what they can do or
suggest for you to do. COIT is one I know if, I thing Servicemaster does
it, too. Look in the phone book or on the 'net.




Jim Cannon
Houston, TX "A Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 00:26:59 -0600
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Missing

>Ken,
>
>YMMV = Your mileage may vary
>
>I'm still looking for a quality pair of "hooter" plugs. Autozone didn't
>have any, and the ABC Auto Parts girl was so upset I won't be allowed to
>come back.
>

Go back and ask her if she has a couple of 2" nipples. After she tries to
kick you out again, tell her you need them to fix your sink.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 23:30:13 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 booster

I agree. You will just end up kinking a line otherwise and increase the
size of the job.

At 20:54 06/11/99 PST, you wrote:
>
>
>No, You don't HAVE too but I would just to relive the strain on the brake
>lines.
>
>Chris
>
>
>>From: "S.Harkema"
>>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>>To: "80-96-list ford-trucks.com"
>>Subject: FTE 80-96 - 84 booster
>>Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 16:24:37 -0800
>>
>>Do I have to remove the brake lines off of the master cylinder to
>>change the power brake booster on a 84 F-250?
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'29 Ford Model A Phaeton and a helluva' engineer!"
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 23:19:57 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?

Jim,

Good idea. I've contacted Servicemaster, and they will clean the vinyl, but
not the cloth seats,, carpet, or headliner, for "only" $700. haahaahaahaa

Anyhow, a neighbor just stopped by with a spray bottle of DissolveAll.
Sprayed until wet, scrubbed with the brush I've been using in the top, let
stand 10 minutes, spray and scrub again, vacumn with a wet-dry, then use the
Electrolux with just water. It worked. It will be a pain in the butt and
take many hours of effort, but it beats the Ford dealer's estimate by about
$8400. (I still have to replace 3 windows the fire department broke out, the
top, the front seats, and the console assembly.)

Ken

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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 00:33:44 -0800
From: Chris McKinnon
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Electric Fan

Last week someone posted that they had removed thier original fan/shroud and
replaced it with a thermostaticly controlled electric one (Yes I deleted the
post by mistake!) What are the advantages of this and if it is a good idea,
what is the best fan type/size to use?
Thanks
Chris
'84 F150
351W
NP 435
281K Km

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 20:15:01 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

Hi All,

Paul wrote:

>
> Just think about it: highly trained officers
> collecting "tips" from drivers. We call them Motorized Meter Maids

Several states in Oz have put this job of speed camera traps out to tender.....


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