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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
FTE 80-96 - shocks/460 MPG
FTE 80-96 - RE: ROUGH IDLE, STUMBLING ACCELERATION
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
FTE 80-96 - RE: radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
FTE 80-96 - - Low Engine Temp with a '95 460
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?
FTE 80-96 - Crappy idle and stumbling on accel
FTE 80-96 - Billet
Re: FTE 80-96 - Crappy idle and stumbling on accel
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
FTE 80-96 - pinging problem
FTE 80-96 - pinging problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
RE: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: [FTE 80-96 - pinging problem]
FTE 80-96 - Steep grades/Billet
FTE 80-96 - Vacation
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: radar
FTE 80-96 - pinging
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar
FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:15:12 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

Mike,
Lets talk safety for a second. Do you realize that more deaths have been
caused on the highway in the last 5 years do to Cell Phones and lack of
operator (notice I didn't say Driver) error? If you really want to get into
this speeding subject, then come to Atlanta, GA. I challenge you to come here
and do the speed limit on any of our major highways. If you are going the
speedlimit, mostly 55-65, you are going to be impeding traffic and the police
WILL ticket you for causing delays on the freeway. The fast lanes here are in
the 75-85 mph range and the cops are right in there with the flow of traffic.
How about this....before I moved here I came up here to visit family. When I
was leaving to head home, I took one of the major freeways(1-75) on the way
out of town. While going through town I stuck with the flow of traffic. There
were 3 cars ahead of me and 2 cars behind me. We crested a hill and there was
ol' Mr. Statie and his handy dandy laser gun. My laser detector had been
going off, but the safety in numbers theory kept me at the flow of traffic
speed. He clocked one of the people at the front of the pack as my detector
didn't "peg" on the reading scale. He came up behind the pack. He rode behind
all the cars behind me until he came to me..LO and behold, guess who had the
ONLY out of state tag of the whole group. Well needless to say he had an
argument on his hands. After stating all the evidence against him and his
refusal to show me the readout of my speed, and stating directly to him he
was violating Federal law by not showing me the readout, hew let me go with
only a warning. But this selective enforcement crap is just that...CRAP! I
was once told by a cop that they choose the guy who looks the fastest out of
the group, regardless of whether they actually clocked him or not.
This joke comes to mind:
A guy gets pulled over by a cop. He asks the cop why he stopped him when he
was in a group of cars all going the same speed. The cop then asks "have you
ever gone fishin'?" The guy says yeah. "Have you ever caught ALL the fish?"
Here's a thing to say to an officer.
Guy gets stopped for no apparent reason. The cop comes to his window and
after asking for the mans license and registration, he tell him to step out
of the car. The officer looks the man in the eye and says" Sir your eyes are
kinda glassy, have you been drinking?" The guy shoots back" Officer, your
eyes look kinda glazed, you been eating donuts?"
Anyway, bottom line, cities are crooked and so are most of the cops. I know
of a couple of good ones that don't give out tickets unless they have to, but
most of them just pick and choose who they want to give tickets to, radar,
laser, or just plain tag.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
Atlanta GA
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:23:09 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

PSales264 aol.com wrote:
>
> I know no one will agree but oh well, how about the small towns that put
> speed trips in place for revenue. And don't tell me they don't do that I live
> near 2 that hide the cars, put broken down old vans beside the road and
> assign blond female cops, out of uniform so you can't tell. I don't know
> about you people but I don't like being watched like some sort of lab rat by
> the cops THANKS Phil

Writing speeding tickets is virtually useless for traffic
safety. Cops should be out patroling writing tickets for the 1000 other
violations that seem to be consistantly overlooked.

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 07:34:34 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: FTE 80-96 - shocks/460 MPG

Well

After putting a little milage on my 95 F250, I decided the front
shocks were shot. Every time I stopped, the front end would bounce
several times before settling. I had an old set of Monroe gasmatics from
the rear of one of my older Broncos and they were the right length, so I
stuffed them in there. They seem much stiffer and I didn't get the
bounce anymore. One of the bushings was pretty shot and the upper dust
sheild started rattling from hitting the upper shock mount, so I removed
them.

I go to Pep boys and buy their most expensive shock, the Gabriel VST
or whatever it was. I install them and I now had the same bouncing when
I came to a stop. I yanked them out and it seems they have the same PN
engraved as the original shocks my truck came with. Seems these shocks
are so underdamped, they are almost useless and the original shocks were
not bad, just not designed correctly. So I swapped one of the bushings
from the shocks that came in it into the bad end of the Monroes (what a
project). These Monroes do give a harder ride, but at least they work.
I'm thinking about RS9000's with the in cab controller. Anyone try
these?

Also, I filled up for the first time and am getting exactly 10 MPG. I
was hoping for maybe for 12, but I guess thats life :-)

OX
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 07:44:41 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: ROUGH IDLE, STUMBLING ACCELERATION

You've checked about everything. I think you next have to find out if it's
fuel/air or spark related. I'm in the process of working on a bad
hesitation problem on my 300 six so I'm interested in what you find out. If
you can get the symptoms in you driveway, try richening the mixture
injecting some propane into the air intake and see if that has any effect.
Also use the propane to "sniff" for vacuum leaks.

Also look for spark leaks after dark while goosing the engine. Then use a
water spray bottle to add some humidity. This is question for all on the
list. While goosing the engine at night I saw a slight blue leakage glow
down both sides of the "E" type coil. Put a new coil in, same thing.
Normal?

Good luck,
David Anderson

.....>>89 F250 351W FI C6 67,000 miles and real clean, Once the truck is
warmed up
it has a rough idle and a stumbling acceleration, the harder the load the
worse the stumbling,.......>>>>

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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:52:09 -0500
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

I travel for a living and I know about the freeways in Atlanta. There are no
hard and fast rules regarding the speed limit any more than there are hard
and fast rules for anything. I lived in California for 25 years and I know
all about moving with the flow of traffic. You are absolutely right, if you
go slow you die. Just proves one thing. sometimes people make sheep look
like independent thinkers.
Cell phones, talking, putting on makeup, any distraction at all can cause an
accident. We are all guilty but some of us try and others don't. That's
life.
Cops are human and regardless of what anyone says they have their biases
like anyone else. A certain type of car, or driver, will get a ticket from a
cop while others won't. Red cars get more tickets, I think. Cars with racing
stripes get more tickets, I think. Ain't fair but .....

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

- -----Original Message-----
From: FLR150 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar


>Mike,
>Lets talk safety for a second. Do you realize that more deaths have been
>caused on the highway in the last 5 years do to Cell Phones and lack of
>operator (notice I didn't say Driver) error? If you really want to get into
>this speeding subject, then come to Atlanta, GA. I challenge you to come
here
>and do the speed limit on any of our major highways. If you are going the
>speedlimit, mostly 55-65, you are going to be impeding traffic and the
police
>WILL ticket you for causing delays on the freeway. The fast lanes here are
in
>the 75-85 mph range and the cops are right in there with the flow of
traffic.

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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:53:01 -0500
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

I second that motion.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

- -----Original Message-----
From: James Oxley
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar


>PSales264 aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I know no one will agree but oh well, how about the small towns that put
>> speed trips in place for revenue. And don't tell me they don't do that I
live
>> near 2 that hide the cars, put broken down old vans beside the road and
>> assign blond female cops, out of uniform so you can't tell. I don't know
>> about you people but I don't like being watched like some sort of lab rat
by
>> the cops THANKS Phil
>
> Writing speeding tickets is virtually useless for traffic
>safety. Cops should be out patroling writing tickets for the 1000 other
>violations that seem to be consistantly overlooked.
>
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:49:49 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: radar

quoth Micheal:

>>Speeding doesn't save a significant amount of time anyway. A 100 mile
trip
>>at 65mph takes about 1 hour and 32 minutes. Go 75mph and it takes 1
hour and
>>20 minutes. 12 minutes saved. You have to go 500 miles to save an hour.
It
>>is only 1 hour of your life. How important is it?

Speaking as one who routinely drives almost 500 miles per day in an
intercity shuttle bus (among truckers who often drive twice that far in a
typical workday) I can tell you that an hour saved can be quite
important. Bear in mind: the hour saved is the last hour of a long
drive, which is the time at which any driver is most fatigued and most
likely to err and cause a crash.
Speed limits are set by committees of politicians responding to
public pressure and outcry. This is not a rational process. A rational
person knows that no absolute safe speed limit can possibly be posted
because the "maximum safe speed" varies constantly with road, weather,
and traffic conditions, not to mention the talent, experience, time in
type, and fatigue level of each individual driver. If you really believe
in highway safety, push for an operator skills test that actually tests
the ability of a person to handle a motor vehicle rather than his/her
ability to memorize a handbook. Anyone who deserves that little
laminated card in his wallet does not need a sign from Uncle Sam to tell
him how to drive safely. Anyone who relies upon laws instead of good
judgement is unsafe at any speed.

lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150
'73 F100
'98 VT1100 Aero


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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 09:09:49 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

Michael McCarthy wrote:
> Red cars get more tickets, I think.

I just hope that doesn't apply to trucks :-)

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 09:24:34 EST
From: craig n eggerman
Subject: FTE 80-96 - - Low Engine Temp with a '95 460

I have an 89 E-350 that runs on the 'M' in 'N O R M A L' and 'L' under
a a big load up hill or in a lot of wind.
It carries 11,000 lbs around for wet weight
Craig
Eggerman juno.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:31:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 FLR150 aol.com wrote:

> Anyway, bottom line, cities are crooked and so are most of the cops.

Most of the people that say like that are immature children.

- --
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:55:24 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Is Ford going nutz?

I got this off one of my other mailing lists, and I was wondering if
anyone has any other info on it. I recently recieved a foward from the
Director of membership of United 4wd, confirming this article( fwd at bottom).


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4x44u.com/PhilHowell/indx0799.html

thanks guys...

Joe
Lost in jersey
92 F-150

FWD:
Preston,
>
> I have seen an article written by Phil Howell (Howell
> automotive??) regarding Ford (either the company or
> it's current president William Ford) dropping support
> of United and 4-wheeling altogether.

Hi Tom,
It is very true. Ford was a member of United for over 20 years. We had the
same point of contact the entire time. He really believed in United!
Ford went through a major reorganization. Our new points of contact seems
to only be Voice Mail. I do not think this guy really exists. Now, there
has been a bit of undercurrent, that may indicate they are again
interested in us.

This has started
> a discussion on another list that I'm on and I was
> curious if you could shed any light on whether this is
> true or not.
I know, I have seen that on a couple of digests.
>
> Your assistance is greatly apreciated.
>
We had to deal with a simular situation Jeep sometime ago. Now all is
better than ever.

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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:57:05 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Crappy idle and stumbling on accel

Dennis writes: >>89 F250 351W FI C6 67,000 miles and real clean, Once the truck
is warmed up
it has a rough idle and a stumbling acceleration, the harder the load the
worse the stumbling, I think it's there when cold but much less pronounced.
About at my wits end and relly need some more help. Here's what I have done:
TPS... 0.5Volts at idle 4.5Volts full throttle both cold and hot and smooth
transition.
O2.... Around 0.5Volts when heated up, appears to be working properly.
EGR... had a egr code, cleaned and replaced gasket, code gone.
EVP... Reads normal with no jumps when operated.
MAP... Frequency type, checks out perfectly.
IAT... Reads according to specs
IAC... Had a code that indicated the ecu couldn't raise idle during KOER
test, removed and cleaned code gone, working normally.
FPR... Replaced unnecesarily
Ran all fuel pressure tests outlined in the Haynes manual, passed with
flying colors.
Checked base timing, right on the money 10BTDC.
Replaced fuel filter, plugs, wires, cap, rotor, air filter, crank breather
filter, also have run one bottle of techroline thru tank to no avail. Also I
no longer receive any codes from the ECU. Tonight I will peer under the hood
when it is dark and look for dancing spark. The truck never pings either,
and always starts right up, no matter how cold.
Haven't done any thing with the Managed Air System, can it cause these
problems? And does it comunicate with the computer? Can I disable this
system, if yes how? I have the serpentine belt or I would just unhook it.

Theres been an awfully lot of traffic on these list about these kinds of
problems, and the sparkplug wires running parallel to each other for too long
and too close has been the culprit on many occasions. Try moving your wires
around, just to see if it helps. We tend to overlook the simple things all too
often. No personal experience with this situation - just observations.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:25:00 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Billet

William writes: >> What in the blue blazes does "billet" mean?

Webster = a small, unfinished metal bar, esp, of iron or steel.

Azie = usually a machined piece from stock that has not been formed by forging
or casting. I would assume that a "Billet" steel crankshaft was machined from
one large piece of steel bar of raw stock and with certain characteristics for
hardness and heatreatability.(is that a word)???

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:38:55 -0500
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Crappy idle and stumbling on accel

I haven't been following this discussion. Are you sure you don't have a
vacuum leak somewhere?

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
To: 80-96-list Ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 10:02 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Crappy idle and stumbling on accel


>
>
>Dennis writes: >>89 F250 351W FI C6 67,000 miles and real clean, Once the
truck
>is warmed up
>it has a rough idle and a stumbling acceleration, the harder the load the
>worse the stumbling, I think it's there when cold but much less pronounced.
>About at my wits end and relly need some more help. Here's what I have
done:
>TPS... 0.5Volts at idle 4.5Volts full throttle both cold and hot and
smooth
>transition.
>O2.... Around 0.5Volts when heated up, appears to be working properly.
>EGR... had a egr code, cleaned and replaced gasket, code gone.
>EVP... Reads normal with no jumps when operated.
>MAP... Frequency type, checks out perfectly.
>IAT... Reads according to specs
>IAC... Had a code that indicated the ecu couldn't raise idle during KOER
>test, removed and cleaned code gone, working normally.
>FPR... Replaced unnecesarily
>Ran all fuel pressure tests outlined in the Haynes manual, passed with
>flying colors.
>Checked base timing, right on the money 10BTDC.
>Replaced fuel filter, plugs, wires, cap, rotor, air filter, crank breather
>filter, also have run one bottle of techroline thru tank to no avail. Also
I
>no longer receive any codes from the ECU. Tonight I will peer under the
hood
>when it is dark and look for dancing spark. The truck never pings either,
>and always starts right up, no matter how cold.
> Haven't done any thing with the Managed Air System, can it cause these
>problems? And does it comunicate with the computer? Can I disable this
>system, if yes how? I have the serpentine belt or I would just unhook it.
>
>Theres been an awfully lot of traffic on these list about these kinds of
>problems, and the sparkplug wires running parallel to each other for too
long
>and too close has been the culprit on many occasions. Try moving your
wires
>around, just to see if it helps. We tend to overlook the simple things
all too
>often. No personal experience with this situation - just observations.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:48:48 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

In a message dated 11/05/1999 05:17:48 AM Mountain Standard Time,
FLR150 aol.com writes:

>

Wayne,
I agree with a lot of what you say except the ''most'' part. As a fleet
supervisor/technician, I work closely with the municipal police and several
other surrounding jurisdictions. They bring me the bloody crashes (fatals)
to inspect and document as part of their accident investigations. The
majority of these accidents fall into 3 categories: 1) alcohol impaired
drivers, 2) young inexperienced drivers, 3) excessive speed/driving too fast
for conditions. The town I live in has 350 people assigned to law
enforcement, but only 10 of them assigned full time to Traffic Enforcement.
They concentrate on the type of infractions that cause the most accidents.
They also get assigned to directed patrols (I think funded by the Feds)
narc-out high accident locations to ticket the drivers who continue through
an intersection AFTER the light has changed. It makes me feel better to know
they are out there TRYING to make it safer us. But of course, there is
always the rogue cop(s)... the a**hole... that uses traffic stops to satisfy
his need to show how tough he is. We have those also. Here, he'd be one of
the other 340 cops who handle the ''other'' crimes and isn't required to
enforce traffic laws. Many of the cops I talk to don't like writing tickets
(and risk having to go to court) but will pull the driver over when they do
something too stupid for him (her) to ignore. Then it's usually up to the
behavior of the driver whether or not a ticket gets written. (ever heard the
expression "ATTITUDE TICKET''?) Then there's the ''Rain Rule"....If he has
to get out of his car in the rain, ''somebody's gonna get a ticket'' !!
They are people just like us...having good days and bad days and days where
you don't dare kick the s**t out of mama like she deserves so you take it to
work with ya and take it out on who ever gets in your way.... (uh, I don't
think I've EVER done that). Yea, and they do kinda pick and choose who they
single out to ticket when they do have to write one......most would rather
give it to an out-of-stater that the'll never see again than to one of their
''neighbors''. And, I don't mind that...maybe it'll help stop the flow of
tourists who come to Colorado for a visit and forget to leave. But I rant!!!
What's this got to do with Ford trucks?...uh, uh,.....after all the wreck
I've seen, I feel safer in my Ford truck then I do in my sedan, and with
75mph speed limits I don't even use my radar detector anymore. (thank God
the old 55 law is dead)
Alex
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:11:12 -0600
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - pinging problem

I need help please,
I have a 1984 F-150 with a 351W
I have the timing set at 10BTDC
and the engine pings BAD
in 2nd gear it is okay
in 3rd it pings at part throttle like iff i am holding speed
and reall bad when I floor it.
and in 4th it pings all the time part throttle and flooring.
really anytime in 4th gear, it goes away it i adjust timing to 6BTDC
but then it is a dog,
it has a edelbrock650 when I turn the A/f screws out 11/2 turns it pings
real bad, and when i turn them out 2 turns it is still bad
when i turn the out to 31/2 were they are about to fall out it gets a little
better but really bad gas mileage and the engine is way to RICH

any suggestions

pings worse when warmed up also.


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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:16:04 -0600
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - pinging problem

I need help please,
I have a 1984 F-150 with a 351W
I have the timing set at 10BTDC
and the engine pings BAD
in 2nd gear it is okay
in 3rd it pings at part throttle like iff i am holding speed
and reall bad when I floor it.
and in 4th it pings all the time part throttle and flooring.
really anytime in 4th gear, it goes away it i adjust timing to 6BTDC
but then it is a dog,
it has a edelbrock650 when I turn the A/f screws out 11/2 turns it pings
real bad, and when i turn them out 2 turns it is still bad
when i turn the out to 31/2 were they are about to fall out it gets a little
better but really bad gas mileage and the engine is way to RICH

any suggestions

pings worse when warmed up also

also I am using 93 octane which is way to much for my wallet
it eats about 1 quart of oil a week
the valve seals are bad also..


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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:22:33 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

In a message dated 11/5/99 9:40:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, kwoods kens.com
writes:

>
No not immature, just stating a point. We have 2 of the best "small" town
police departments in the USA here in the Atlanta, GA area. One being
Doraville PD and the other being Dekalb County. I know officers of both
departments and I have known both to look the other way when "things" were
happening. Both officers are highly recognized and decorated. But even the
best can be swayed.
Nuf Said,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
Atlanta GA
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:34:03 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Radar

Wayne Foy Wrote:
~snip~
>Anyway, bottom line, cities are crooked and so are most of the cops. I know
of a couple of good ones that don't give out tickets unless they have >to,
but most of them just pick and choose who they want to give tickets to,
radar, laser, or just plain tag.
>Later
>Wayne Foy
>'94 Flareside SC
>Atlanta GA

I Agree! Cops are like anyone else, it is just as hard to find an honest
one. Add to that the fact that ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY!

I can tell you honestly from personal experience that people are corrupt,
cities are corrupt, the police are corrupt, and anyone else who has the
ability to operate without accountability and someone to watch them will
take advantage of the situation. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool or a
liar.

If I have to rely on the honesty of a person who has the absolute power the
police do then I have the right to own a radar detector to protect myself
from the dishonest ones. The idea is to prevent injury or damage not to make
it easier for them to make money.

Going 65 mph instead of 55 mph, on a clear day with no other traffic, on a
straight road is not going to harm anyone. The chance of an accident in this
situation is no greater than at 55 mph. The police seem to only be
interested in generating revenue and have lost any common.

Scott
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Date: 5 Nov 99 11:51:26 PST
From: William Berninghausen
Subject: Re: [FTE 80-96 - pinging problem]

"Joel Thomas" wrote:
> I need help please,
> I have a 1984 F-150 with a 351W
> I have the timing set at 10BTDC
> and the engine pings BAD

> pings worse when warmed up also
- ----------------------------------------

More than one problem here...

My suggestion is to eliminate a major vacuum leak--EGR system, carb base,=
or
something else big. Vacuum guage should read 18in or more. You can't do=

anything else until the leaks are stopped.

Bill in Portland =



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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 12:17:04 -0800
From: "S.Harkema"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Steep grades/Billet

>My 94 F-150 extra cab, long wheelbase, 4X4 with a 5.0L w/ 52K really >dogs up the steep grades in 2WD.

Has it always done this,or is it something new?
What gear ratio do you have?

>I really love this beast so don't start doggin
>it.

I'm sure it's a fine truck.
If I wanted to dog Fords I'd sign up for a ch*vy or riceburner list.

>I've seen it for years and my curiosity is killing me! What in the >blue blazes does "billet" mean? It usually refers to something made >from aluminum,and my only guess is that the item is milled from a solid >billet of the metal,

That is what it means,not sure how many products that say billet are
truly made that way tho.....
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:15:26 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Vacation

Gone to the Mountains. Will return on 11/16.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:43:22 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

"Nuf Said,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
Atlanta GA"

My sentiments exactly ;^) Let's table this discussion before it gets out of
hand. GOOD Cops drive Ford Trucks too, and there's probably a few on this
list !
Just my .02
Smeck


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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:27:08 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

Broken down old vans? Blonde females? Sounds like entrapment for
solicitation for prostitution to me.

Ken

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:41:42 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

Wayne,

I hear you about the dirty politics, and their cronies. Our mayor's wife was
ticketed (78 in a 45), went to court, lost, hit the officer outside the
courtroom, and he arrested her. The mayor is livid that the city council
will not "discipline" the officer. In fact, I'm looking forward to the next
election.

Ken

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:43:43 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

OX,

Should they be writing DWOO tickets? Driving While Otherwise Occupied.

Makeup, cell phones, dinner, sex, TV--seems everything gets done while in
transit except driving.

Ken

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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:54:29 -0600
From: "Ed Mount"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

This subject has been very interesting, and obviously appeals to the
emotions in a lot of cases, judging by the name-calling.
I just want to put in my 2 cents worth, as well as some of my experiences,
before we hang it up.
I happen to have had more good experiences than bad, with the troopers in
various states, and won't go into all the details, but I have been around
for quite a while, long enough to have picked up my share of tickets. I now
pick my speeding situations more carefully to keep down expenses, as well as
observing safe and sane (IMHO) driving. But I have to say that the majority
of the time, I am glad those guys are out there. I have been offered help
by a trooper in Kansas during a rainy night at 1a.m. in the morning, while I
changed a tire. He didn't have to stand there, maybe he was just trying to
stay awake himself, but the moral support was nice.
Without getting all maudlin, I just want to add some balance to all the
comments about crooked cops. Yes, they are out there, I have had a run-in
or two, so I know that, but I have met and have read about a lot of decent
ones, even some who seem to be extremely serious about their chosen
profession.
As far as common sense, I have seen that displayed, too, so I take a lot of
the comments here with a grain of salt. I believe it only takes one bad
experience with a cop and lots of people will forget all the good ones. In
fact, it is like the news media, you seldom see reports on the good things,
just the bad.
If there are cops reading this message, I hope they are not disheartened
when we get down on them and then fail to acknowledge meritorius actions. I
think they know it goes with the territory. As for you bad cops, well, I
guess there will always be bad ones, too, and that's a shame.
Sorry for the long sermon. Save your flames, these are my personal
opinions, and not meant to generate hard feelings.

Ed

Ed

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:58:21 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: radar

lordjanusz,

Europe already has such a system, with speed limits related to demonstrated
ability behind the wheel.

The US thinks everything can be tested with pencil and paper, then
summarized with numbers. Bull honkey. There are at least 6 other
intelligences besides language and mathematical/logical (read Gardner's
FRAMES OF MIND).

For instance, naysayers of public schools constantly tout stagnant
standardized test scores as proof public schools are failing. Well, the
tests must be renormed constantly so that obtaining the 50th percentile
score requires more correct answers, because students are doing better and
better on the tests. Though the scores do not increase, the level of
competence to earn a particular score does. Thus, the children are learning
more. I bet the advocates of private schools don't want you to know that!

How does this relate to Ford trucks? Well, how many owner/mechanics knew how
to diagnose computer codes 20 years ago?

Ken

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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:10:38 -0600
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - pinging

I have a 351W
when the engine warms up it has a very bad pinging noise in 3rd and 4th
gears at
mid and full throttle.
I think i got water down the engine once
i went through deep water and the engine
would not start but after 3 days of going out there and cranking it finally
started and ran bad for about 1 hour
and ran fine for about 2 months then it started pinging the day after I put
the headers on would that have anything to do wiht it??
please help
the headers do have bad leaks in the gaskets would that cause it??
by the way right now i have the carpet and floor covering out
so I can see the engine and i can tell it is a ping and not just a ticking
exhaust sound it is a VERY loud metallic pinging sound and hurts my
ears?????

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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 20:12:58 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

People,

Police officers are underpaid.

Fire persons are underpaid.

Teachers are underpaid.

People in these professions generally go into these professions because they
want to make the world a better place. These people put it all on the line
every day for an ungrateful population that derides and condemns them. One
of the riskiest things a police officer can do is a traffic stop, especially
in a vehicle he or she cannot see into, such as a tall truck or a vehicle
with dark windows. When was the last time you put your life or career on the
line for anyone besides besides yourself? Police officers, fire personel,
and teachers do it every day.

If you think a rifle, a shotgun, and a four wheel drive means you can take
care of yourself, you are just as stupid as Hank. The anarchy you promote
would destroy you in a New York second.

Ken, who lives right down the road from Hank.

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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:12:59 EST
From: BRIGANDBAR aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar

In a message dated 99-11-05 06:24:16 EST, you write:

>

How about "reasonable and prudent", i.e. if you don't have an accident, cross
a double yellow line or harass another motorist, no crime, no foul. The old
autobahn philosophy was the correct one, if you aren't harming anyone, you
aren't doing anything wrong. You know, there is just too much government
paternal instinct here. Other than revenue and control, what is the purpose
of a speed limit? If you aren't harming anyone, and don't harass anyone,
why bother you? And the operator pays for the increased fuel consumption at
higher speeds.

I'm not advocating violating any existing law, or disrespectful of the
officers/troopers who do their job, just making some observations. Years
ago, I remember a philosophy of setting a speed limit by measuring the 80th
percentile of maximum speed of drivers, not artificial, or revenue enhancing
purposes.

Steve
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:36:07 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Speeding & Radar

In a message dated 11/05/1999 , BRIGANDBAR aol.com writes:
>
I'd rather have the government set the speed limits than leave it to the
discretion of the individuals to decide how fast is ''reasonable and
prudent''....the individual will almost always over-estimate his driving
ability and under-estimate the road and traffic conditions. The speed limit
protects us from those that THINK they know what is best. I don't like the
idea of sharing the road with drivers that have no fear of retribution.
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 03:40:10 -0500
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radar

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