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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: EGR
Re: FTE 80-96 - Vacuum schematics
FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?
Re:FTE 80-96 - Re: EGR check modulator
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is anyone out there ?????
Re: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires
RE: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires
FTE 80-96 - Re: EGR
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: EGR
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters
FTE 80-96 - Filthy throttle body and intake man
FTE 80-96 - Tire Carrier rattle/Bronco
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires
FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Fram Filters
FTE 80-96 - Front axle help
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tire Carrier rattle/Bronco
FTE 80-96 - Re :Transfer Case Vent
FTE 80-96 - Re: Fram Filters- Priming
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires
FTE 80-96 - tape stripe removal?

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:32:13 -0600
From: "DannyF"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: EGR

The EGR prob can definetly contribute to a stumble under load.

How much "white smoke"? On startup in cooler weather some is
normal. Fully warmed up and substantial "smoke" that doesn't
dissipate that quickly is coolant being burned. Could be an int.
gasket/mating surfaces or a head gasket.

What engine? Mileage?

Need more details.

Danny

> Can someone tell me if a faulty EGR valve cause white smoke to come from
> the exhaust. I pulled some codes that
> indicated the EGR was not full seating.
> I am puzzled about the smoke. I can
> understand the stumble of the engine
> under a load. Could I have a blown head
> gasket also?
>


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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:32:13 -0600
From: "DannyF"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Vacuum schematics

What I've resorted to in the past is junkyards, car lots or even
classified ads for hard to find vehicle config info.

Danny

> Try your local auto parts recycling center. You might have to buy the
> upper
> radiator support, or maybe a wreck can give you a photo opportunity. Just
> walk up to someone with a cherry 81 and ask if you can make a drawing.
> There
> is more than one way to whip a Dodge.
>


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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:54:34 -0400
From: "Bowman, John A"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?

Ok... I know that I am not the only one with this problem and certainly not
the first! I have an '83 F100 regular cab and I store my esentials (tools,
wheel wrench, washer fluid, rags, misc. but important junk, etc.) in that
space behind the seat and of course under it. Well, you know what happens...
you drive around and the stuff slides around, rattles and spills out around
the ends of the seat. I need some sort of caddy to hold this stuff. I have
seen them for car trunks but nothing for trucks! Can anyone help?

*************************
John Bowman
'83 F100 (Big Red)
Nova Scotia,Canada
mooster canada.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:10:39 -0600
From: "Moore, Jimmy"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?

I have an '81 F-150 regular cab, and behind my seat is a tool caddy. I can
put my tools, small bottles of fluids (power steering, brake, etc.), papers,
rags, etc. Washer fluid is too big. It mounts onto the wall of the cab,
right below the back window. I think I bought it at either an AutoZone, or
a Petro truck stop (I think the latter). It was only about $25, maybe a
little more. As far as the fluids, you could build a small wooden caddy to
the dimenisions of the space behind the seat. Just use 1x4's and put them
together with some wood glue and wood screws, no nails. You might stain it,
or my favorite, burn it with a propane torch and coat it 3x with
polyurethane.

Jim
1981 FORD F-150, 300 I6

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From: Bowman, John A [mailto:jbowman mtt.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 9:55 AM
To: Ford Truck List
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?


Ok... I know that I am not the only one with this problem and certainly not
the first! I have an '83 F100 regular cab and I store my esentials (tools,
wheel wrench, washer fluid, rags, misc. but important junk, etc.) in that
space behind the seat and of course under it. Well, you know what happens...
you drive around and the stuff slides around, rattles and spills out around
the ends of the seat. I need some sort of caddy to hold this stuff. I have
seen them for car trunks but nothing for trucks! Can anyone help?

*************************
John Bowman
'83 F100 (Big Red)
Nova Scotia,Canada
mooster canada.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:16:44 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?

Yes you are not the only one and I have just about made a science out of
storing gear in my truck.

I put things like tire chains, jumper cables, and jack stuff under the hood
of the truck. Care must be taken to insure they are secure and nothing gets
in the fan or belts. The best places are on top of the wheel well and right
behind it. Locking boxes on the inside of the bed, in front of and behind
the wheel wells, is something I will install as soon as some money becomes
available. It is nothing but wasted space for me.

Good luck,
Scott
'95 F-150 XLT, 5.8L SC, 4x4 off-road, Raven Topper, all white.

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From: Bowman, John A [SMTP:jbowman mtt.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 8:55 AM

Ok... I know that I am not the only one with this problem and certainly not
the first! I have an '83 F100 regular cab and I store my esentials (tools,
wheel wrench, washer fluid, rags, misc. but important junk, etc.) in that
space behind the seat and of course under it. Well, you know what happens...
you drive around and the stuff slides around, rattles and spills out around
the ends of the seat. I need some sort of caddy to hold this stuff. I have
seen them for car trunks but nothing for trucks! Can anyone help?

*************************
John Bowman
'83 F100 (Big Red)
Nova Scotia,Canada
mooster canada.com
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 99 11:20:37 -0700
From: ken_schneider
Subject: Re:FTE 80-96 - Re: EGR check modulator

White smoke can be caused by a faulty vacuum modulator on automatic
transmissions. The diaphragm inside the
modulator will leak and allow tranny fluid to be sucked up into the engine and
burned. At first the smoke may only occur occasionally for just a minute. It
will get worse.

Long before the white smoke condition you may notice your tranny fluid getting
low too. Just depends how bad the
modulator leaks.

Ken
87 FS Bronco


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Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: EGR
Author:
Date: 11/1/99 8:32 AM

The EGR prob can definetly contribute to a stumble under load.

How much "white smoke"? On startup in cooler weather some is
normal. Fully warmed up and substantial "smoke" that doesn't
dissipate that quickly is coolant being burned. Could be an int.
gasket/mating surfaces or a head gasket.

What engine? Mileage?

Need more details.

Danny

> Can someone tell me if a faulty EGR valve cause white smoke to come from
> the exhaust. I pulled some codes that
> indicated the EGR was not full seating.
> I am puzzled about the smoke. I can
> understand the stumble of the engine
> under a load. Could I have a blown head
> gasket also?
>


Danny
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:47:12 -0800
From: Pat Murphy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is anyone out there ?????

Yo Bill,
read you loud and clear-I don't know what your origional post was
but I got this one keep trying!

Pat

Spruce1495 aol.com wrote:
>
> I've posted several questions and answered some in the past few sessions, but
> I never get a response. If anybody gets or sees this note, please respond so
> I know if I'm getting out there.
> Thanks,
> Bill B.
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:35:33 -0700
From: "DENNIS THOMPSON"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bowman, John A
To: Ford Truck List
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?


> Ok... I know that I am not the only one with this problem and certainly
not
> the first! I have an '83 F100 regular cab and I store my esentials (tools,
> wheel wrench, washer fluid, rags, misc. but important junk, etc.) in that
> space behind the seat and of course under it. Well, you know what
happens...
> you drive around and the stuff slides around, rattles and spills out
around
> the ends of the seat. I need some sort of caddy to hold this stuff. I have
> seen them for car trunks but nothing for trucks! Can anyone help?

Try these two links.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://jcwhitney.com/products/truck/83zx0908.htm

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://jcwhitney.com/products/truck/01zx7639.htm

SPECTRE

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:59:55 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires

Troy,

In this town they are fairly accurate--much closer than most factory
speedometer calibrations. I have noticed some in Memphis that were off by
20% or more.

If you wish to calculate speedo correction factors most tire manufacturer
pages list specs, including rolling radii at given rim width, air pressure,
and load. All 3 of those variables affect rolling radius, and the
calculations based on manufacturers specs can vary quite a bit. Measuring
your drive tires' rolling radii yourself is a better method.

To use highway mile markers, you have to maintain an exactly steady speed,
virtually impossible except on smooth, straight pavement without changes in
slope. Such road conditions are extremely rare around here. By the way, 1
minute/mile = 60 miles/hour. A 1 second misread on the clock puts your test
1 mph off at 60 mph.

Troy, no system is perfect. There are too many variables.

Peace and joy,
Ken



>On 30 Oct 99, at 20:28, ken haley wrote:
>
> >Around here every little town has a "Your Speed is:...." thing to make
>you
> >feel guilty. They sure are handy for checking speedo accuracy.
>
>I don't know. I have spoken with a few folks that I know from the
>local Sheriff's department, and I am told by every one of their
>officers that they do question the speed readings given by those
>boxes. :)
>
>You might be a redneck if... You go fishing with a generator and
>copper wire. - Jeff Foxworthy
>
>
>Troy Williams
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:04:36 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?

Check out the stich-and-glue method of plywood boat building. The poyester
auto body repair materials would be adequate for building a behind-the-seat
storage system using stich-and-glue. 1/4 inch plywood could be used giving
an entire inch more space inside than using 1X4s.

Ken

>I have an '81 F-150 regular cab, and behind my seat is a tool caddy. I can
>put my tools, small bottles of fluids (power steering, brake, etc.),
>papers,
>rags, etc. Washer fluid is too big. It mounts onto the wall of the cab,
>right below the back window. I think I bought it at either an AutoZone, or
>a Petro truck stop (I think the latter). It was only about $25, maybe a
>little more. As far as the fluids, you could build a small wooden caddy to
>the dimenisions of the space behind the seat. Just use 1x4's and put them
>together with some wood glue and wood screws, no nails. You might stain
>it,
>or my favorite, burn it with a propane torch and coat it 3x with
>polyurethane.
>
>Jim
>1981 FORD F-150, 300 I6
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bowman, John A [mailto:jbowman mtt.ca]
>Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 9:55 AM
>To: Ford Truck List
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?
>
>
>Ok... I know that I am not the only one with this problem and certainly not
>the first! I have an '83 F100 regular cab and I store my esentials (tools,
>wheel wrench, washer fluid, rags, misc. but important junk, etc.) in that
>space behind the seat and of course under it. Well, you know what
>happens...
>you drive around and the stuff slides around, rattles and spills out around
>the ends of the seat. I need some sort of caddy to hold this stuff. I have
>seen them for car trunks but nothing for trucks! Can anyone help?
>
>*************************
>John Bowman
>'83 F100 (Big Red)
>Nova Scotia,Canada
>mooster canada.com
>*************************
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 13:05:52 -0500
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Does this bug you? Whats the solution?

Well, there are a lot of elegant solutions, but I like military surplus ammo
boxes - cheap, sturdy, waterproof. I bolt them in through the back wall of the
cab. You can buy a case of them (6 to a case) for about $15 from any of several
mail order military surplus dealers. You can also bolt them to the wheel wells
under the hood (of my straight 6 '83 F250) or to the inside of the bed. I also
bolt them to the frame of my farm tractors to keep spares and field tools (i.e.
wire, screwdriver, visegrips, and a hammer!).

Mike

"Bowman, John A" wrote:

> Ok... I know that I am not the only one with this problem and certainly not
> the first! I have an '83 F100 regular cab and I store my esentials (tools,
> wheel wrench, washer fluid, rags, misc. but important junk, etc.) in that
> space behind the seat and of course under it. Well, you know what happens...
> you drive around and the stuff slides around, rattles and spills out around
> the ends of the seat. I need some sort of caddy to hold this stuff. I have
> seen them for car trunks but nothing for trucks! Can anyone help?
>
> *************************
> John Bowman
> '83 F100 (Big Red)
> Nova Scotia,Canada
> mooster canada.com
> *************************
>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:08:15 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires

P.S., you might be a redneck if you go fishing with dipnets and dynamite.

Ken

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:54:14 -0500 (EST)
From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: EGR

Have a 302 EFI. White smoke comes out exhaust. Engine stumbles on
excelaration.
Code says faulty EGR. Can't believe this
would cause the white smoke. Can a blown head gasket cause the egr to
show
faulty? Anybody have any imput on the
above?



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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:47:31 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: EGR

You've got more than one problem going on with your engine. A blown head
gasket ''could'' (among others) be the source of the white smoke coming from
your tail pipe, but it is unlikely to have anything to do with your EGR code.
Your stumble when you accelerate could be caused by any number of things,
including a dirty or sticky EGR valve. My suggestion would be to diagnose the
smoke before it has a chance to cause more damage to your engine. Try
pressure testing your cooling system or checking with litmus, and while
you're poking around under the hood, take the EGR off and clean and inspect
it. You didn't mention the year or mileage, but the 302's are great engines
with a reputation for long life, as long as they have been reasonable
maintained and not abused (much). Good luck
Alex
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 14:58:33 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires

Troy,

If you're going to use highway markers it is very important to make sure
you're to the exact second on timing. One way to reduce this factor
though, is to time it out over 2 or 3 or more miles. That way that
error is divisible by 2 or more helping to make it more accurate.


Emil



ken haley wrote:
>
> Troy,
>
> In this town they are fairly accurate--much closer than most factory
> speedometer calibrations. I have noticed some in Memphis that were off by
> To use highway mile markers, you have to maintain an exactly steady speed,
> virtually impossible except on smooth, straight pavement without changes in
> slope. Such road conditions are extremely rare around here. By the way, 1
> minute/mile = 60 miles/hour. A 1 second misread on the clock puts your test
> 1 mph off at 60 mph.
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 07:20:12 +1100
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters

Hi All,
Of course priming the filter is a very good idea but awkward to fit,
unfortunately the starter motor was never designed to crank over the engine for
extended periods, bad for cams, If the engine fires and idles, bad for bearings,
a no win situation.

The answer is easy - remove the distributor and insert a long bladed shaft to
engage the oil pump drive and prime the system with an electric drill. Just like
you would if it was a new engine install. Reinstall distributor and recheck
timing, - I do it all the time .... Yeah.... Sure.... ;- ^ ))
The only problem is , if you stuff up reinstalling the dizzy, and you have to
pay somebody to sort out everything, it could become your most expensive oil
filter change!!

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of OZ



Ed Mount wrote:

> Priming the filter sounds like an excellent concept, but how do you keep
> from spilling the oil out of the filter when you are moving it into place to
> screw it on? On my 94 5.8L V8, the filter is in a tricky position and I
> have to maneuver it such that I am pretty sure the oil would spill out of
> it. It is a one-hand job to install it, not room to get two hands in.
>
> Ed



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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:04:44 -0600
From: "Ed Mount"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters

Why doesn't someone invent an electric oil pump that could be switched on
for a few seconds before startup?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: les williams
To:
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters


> Hi All,
> Of course priming the filter is a very good idea but awkward to fit,
> unfortunately the starter motor was never designed to crank over the
engine for
> extended periods, bad for cams, If the engine fires and idles, bad for
bearings,
> a no win situation.
>
> The answer is easy - remove the distributor and insert a long bladed shaft
to
> engage the oil pump drive and prime the system with an electric drill.
Just like
> you would if it was a new engine install. Reinstall distributor and
recheck
> timing, - I do it all the time .... Yeah.... Sure.... ;- ^ ))
> The only problem is , if you stuff up reinstalling the dizzy, and you have
to
> pay somebody to sort out everything, it could become your most expensive
oil
> filter change!!
>
> regards
>
> Les
> Lost in the Land of OZ
>
>
>
> Ed Mount wrote:
>
> > Priming the filter sounds like an excellent concept, but how do you keep
> > from spilling the oil out of the filter when you are moving it into
place to
> > screw it on? On my 94 5.8L V8, the filter is in a tricky position and I
> > have to maneuver it such that I am pretty sure the oil would spill out
of
> > it. It is a one-hand job to install it, not room to get two hands in.
> >
> > Ed
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:29:47 -0800
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters

They have. I've seen them in the Summit catalog.

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From: Ed Mount
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Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters


>Why doesn't someone invent an electric oil pump that could be switched on
>for a few seconds before startup?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: les williams
>To:
>Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 2:20 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters
>
>
>> Hi All,
>> Of course priming the filter is a very good idea but awkward to fit,
>> unfortunately the starter motor was never designed to crank over the
>engine for
>> extended periods, bad for cams, If the engine fires and idles, bad for
>bearings,
>> a no win situation.
>>
>> The answer is easy - remove the distributor and insert a long bladed
shaft
>to
>> engage the oil pump drive and prime the system with an electric drill.
>Just like
>> you would if it was a new engine install. Reinstall distributor and
>recheck
>> timing, - I do it all the time .... Yeah.... Sure.... ;- ^ ))
>> The only problem is , if you stuff up reinstalling the dizzy, and you
have
>to
>> pay somebody to sort out everything, it could become your most expensive
>oil
>> filter change!!
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Les
>> Lost in the Land of OZ
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed Mount wrote:
>>
>> > Priming the filter sounds like an excellent concept, but how do you
keep
>> > from spilling the oil out of the filter when you are moving it into
>place to
>> > screw it on? On my 94 5.8L V8, the filter is in a tricky position and
I
>> > have to maneuver it such that I am pretty sure the oil would spill out
>of
>> > it. It is a one-hand job to install it, not room to get two hands in.
>> >
>> > Ed
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:44:00 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters

In a message dated 11/1/99 5:23:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rspasoje mindspring.com writes:


>for a few seconds before startup? >>
These "priming" systems are available through Jegs, Summit, or JC Whitney as
Rade stated. Dealing with race cars I have had a little experience with
these. If you have a little more than basic mechanical knowledge and skills,
you can install them. They require running a couple of lines and wiring up
the auxiliary pump. But if you can install a remote filter application, as
Walt talked about, then you could install one of these. These systems use a
sandwich style plate such as is used in the remote filter applications.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:25:41 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters

Actually they did. It was activated automatically when the key was in
the on position. Once the pressure was up, you would start the car. As
I recall it was over three hundred dollars not counting install. They
apparently didn't sell many cause I haven't seen them for sale in many
years. Would be great for cold morning starts.

Emil



Ed Mount wrote:
>
> Why doesn't someone invent an electric oil pump that could be switched on
> for a few seconds before startup?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: les williams
> To:
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters
>
> > Hi All,
> > Of course priming the filter is a very good idea but awkward to fit,
> > unfortunately the starter motor was never designed to crank over the
> engine for
> > extended periods, bad for cams, If the engine fires and idles, bad for
> bearings,
> > a no win situation.
> >
> > The answer is easy - remove the distributor and insert a long bladed shaft
> to
> > engage the oil pump drive and prime the system with an electric drill.
> Just like
> > you would if it was a new engine install. Reinstall distributor and
> recheck
> > timing, - I do it all the time .... Yeah.... Sure.... ;- ^ ))
> > The only problem is , if you stuff up reinstalling the dizzy, and you have
> to
> > pay somebody to sort out everything, it could become your most expensive
> oil
> > filter change!!
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Les
> > Lost in the Land of OZ
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Mount wrote:
> >
> > > Priming the filter sounds like an excellent concept, but how do you keep
> > > from spilling the oil out of the filter when you are moving it into
> place to
> > > screw it on? On my 94 5.8L V8, the filter is in a tricky position and I
> > > have to maneuver it such that I am pretty sure the oil would spill out
> of
> > > it. It is a one-hand job to install it, not room to get two hands in.
> > >
> > > Ed
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 15:18:43 PST
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters

Les,

Someone has invented such a kit. JC Whitney sold them for awhile. Maybe they
still do. If I remember correctly the price was over $400 US. OUCH!!!!

It seems a starter motor spinning a dry-sump pump via a v-belt, with oil
flowing from the pan to the pressure gauge sender port would do about the
same thing.

A simpler system would be to plumb the pressure sender through a T fitting
with a hose going to the bottom of a pressure vessel. As oil pressure builds
up to acceptable levels, a bypass would allow high pressure oil to enter the
can, a check valve would hold the pressure in. A selenoid-operated valve
parallel to the bypass/check valve circuit would allow the air pressure in
the can to force a quart or so of oil into the pressure sender port of the
oiling system, oiling the engine.

I'm not sure what effect such a system would have on the oil level in the
pan in various operationg conditions. Might work/might not. Such is the
nature of brainstorming and research.

Ken

"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research,
would it?" --Albert Einstein

>Why doesn't someone invent an electric oil pump that could be switched on
>for a few seconds before startup?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: les williams
>To:
>Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 2:20 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters
>
>
> > Hi All,
> > Of course priming the filter is a very good idea but awkward to fit,
> > unfortunately the starter motor was never designed to crank over the
>engine for
> > extended periods, bad for cams, If the engine fires and idles, bad for
>bearings,
> > a no win situation.
> >
> > The answer is easy - remove the distributor and insert a long bladed
>shaft
>to
> > engage the oil pump drive and prime the system with an electric drill.
>Just like
> > you would if it was a new engine install. Reinstall distributor and
>recheck
> > timing, - I do it all the time .... Yeah.... Sure.... ;- ^ ))
> > The only problem is , if you stuff up reinstalling the dizzy, and you
>have
>to
> > pay somebody to sort out everything, it could become your most expensive
>oil
> > filter change!!
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Les
> > Lost in the Land of OZ
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Mount wrote:
> >
> > > Priming the filter sounds like an excellent concept, but how do you
>keep
> > > from spilling the oil out of the filter when you are moving it into
>place to
> > > screw it on? On my 94 5.8L V8, the filter is in a tricky position and
>I
> > > have to maneuver it such that I am pretty sure the oil would spill out
>of
> > > it. It is a one-hand job to install it, not room to get two hands in.
> > >
> > > Ed
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:40:41 -0500
From: flagship worldnet.att.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Filthy throttle body and intake man

I recently pulled my throttle body off for maintenance. Looking into
the manifold, I saw a buildup of gunk I would not have believed
possible. Looks like it was probably varnish. I just recently cleaned
the throttle body by spraying carb cleaner into the throttle body until
it looked clean. It obviously wasn't getting to where it needed to
get. In fact, there is a passage between the upper and lower body that
was completely blocked. It got me thinking of something JC Whitney used
to sell. They may still, in fact. They had a water injection system
that operated on vacuum I think. It had a container similar to a
windshield washer container and sprayed it's contents into the
carburetor I think. It was supposed stop pinging as I recall. Anyway,
what if you wired a fuel pump and a bottle to spray carburetor cleaner
into the air intake using carb jets. It could be controlled by a switch
or button and could be used for monthly preventive maint. Load the
bottle with cleaner, warm the engine up, get it on a hill under heavy
load and spray the cleaner. With the throttle wide open and under load,
I would think you could get the cleaner places you couldn't get
otherwise.... Any thoughts??? Also, I didn't see the subsequent posts
regarding the electric oil pumps until after I responded. Anyone know
the cost offhand?

Emil
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:09:43 -0500
From: joe delaurentis
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tire Carrier rattle/Bronco

HI
is there anyone with a Bronco that has an annoying rattle from the spare
tire carrier
mounted outside???My 92 rattles when i hit bumps etc..Is there a Fix
from Ford???
Or something i can use....


- --
Joe
68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!


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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:31:20 -0500
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires

On 1 Nov 99, at 10:08, ken haley wrote:

>P.S., you might be a redneck if you go fishing with dipnets and
dynamite.

What's so wrong with that?

You might be a redneck if... You have insurance on your bowling
trophies. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:31:20 -0500
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires

On 1 Nov 99, at 14:58, flagship worldnet.att.net wrote:

>Troy,
>
>If you're going to use highway markers it is very important to make sure
>you're to the exact second on timing. One way to reduce this factor
>though, is to time it out over 2 or 3 or more miles. That way that
>error is divisible by 2 or more helping to make it more accurate.

I'm not really that concerned with it at this point. The last time I
drove by one of those boxes, I think it was about three miles per
hour more than what my speedometer was showing. I don't think
that I'll get a ticket for going three miles per hour over the speed
limit. :)

You might be a redneck if... Nobody can rebuild an engine like mama.
- Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:47:30 -0600
From: Allen Stearns
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Fram Filters

A few years ago while working as a contractor in Saudi Arabia, we found
that there were a lot of counterfeit FRAM filters on the market. Exact
duplicates, except that they were empty cans with no filtering
what-so-ever. They didn't clog up but we had a few engine problems
while using them. Maybe the same manufacturer has the contract now and
are packing them with something?

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:22:22 -0600
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Front axle help

I have a 1984 F-150 with the TTB front IFS axle
what all is involved in putting the Dana44 out of a
70's truck in the place of the TTB,
I already know how to get the TTB out but will the other bolt up okay
besides maybe changing the radius arm brackets and will the coil springs
bolt up??

thanks

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:33:02 -0500
From: "Theodore D. Mills"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tire Carrier rattle/Bronco

Replace the plastic bushings on the pins that the carrier hinges on.
About a 15 minute job. The parts were less that $5 as I reacall on my
brother's Bronco.

You may have to do a little searching for the bushings.
The local dealer said they were out of production.....


At 20:09 11/01/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>HI
>is there anyone with a Bronco that has an annoying rattle from the spare
>tire carrier
>mounted outside???My 92 rattles when i hit bumps etc..Is there a Fix
>from Ford???
>Or something i can use....
>
>
>--
>Joe
>68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
>Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!
>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:39:40 -0800
From: Joan and Walt Posluszny
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re :Transfer Case Vent

> From: owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com (80-96-list-digest)
> Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 06:10:21 -0400 (EDT)
> To: 80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com
> Subject: 80-96-list-digest V3 #304
>
Tony, you're right, I crawled under my 85 to check out my NP-208 and it is
indeed the Transfer Case vent. I have extended mine with longer hose, [ran
it up through the floor into the shifter boot area], as well I bought those
cheap dollar fuel filters at the parts store and stuck them in the end of
the extended hoses for my differentials and transfer case to use as an air
filter, ..... as well I moved the end of the vent up as high as I could off
the ground. cheap insurance. Walt>
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:26:30 -0700
> From: "Beth and Tony Fischer"
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Transfer case question...
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a 1986 F-150 4x4 with a NP-208 transfer case. I found a hose hanging
> off it, and was wondering where it is suppose to go (or is it some kind of
> vent?). The hose (looks like a large vacuum line, almost fuel line size)
> coming from the top of the x-fer case, right above where the rear driveline
> comes out. If anybody has the similar truck, could you please take a look
> sometime for me!?!?!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Tony Fischer
> Portland, Oregon
> Beth, Tony, David and Danielle Fischer

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:31:32 -0500
From: "Mark Salvetti"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Fram Filters- Priming

Regarding making a mess when priming. I wonder how much of the oil that
comes out when removing the old filter is sitting in the engine, rather than
the filter? If it's a fair amount, screwing a primed filter back on may not
be that bad. I know I'm going to try it on my 1986 5L, and the wife's 3L
Windstar.

We used to have a 3.8L Sable. I used one of those filter wrenches that
clamps over the top of the filter and connects to a 3/8" ratchet. The
tighter the filter, the harder it grips. I rarely had problems getting
tight filters off. Think I got the thing at Sears.

Although these filter locations may be inconvenient, it could be much worse.
Maserati Biturbos need the radiator to come out to change filters. Talk
about putting off maintenance. And the last of the air-cooled Porsche 911's
need part of the exhaust to come off. Oil and filter changes take about 2
hours. Plus the cost of 10-12 quarts of Mobil 1.

Mark Salvetti
1986 F150 5L

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