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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 302 Rebuild
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting, Loping idle
RE: FTE 80-96 - 89 3.L-V6 HARD STARTING COLD
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 302 Rebuild
RE: FTE 80-96 - wheel paint
FTE 80-96 - EVERYTHING ABOUT OIL FILTERS
Re: FTE 80-96 - wheel paint
RE: FTE 80-96 - wheel paint
FTE 80-96 - Re: Bed measurement
FTE 80-96 - Re: Hard starting, Loping idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - EVERYTHING ABOUT OIL FILTERS
Re: FTE 80-96 - wheel paint
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Hard starting, Loping idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting, Loping idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting, Loping idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - T coil
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting, Loping idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting, Loping idle
FTE 80-96 - re: 96 f150 dash
FTE 80-96 - RE: Oz Les, and Flamethrowing
FTE 80-96 - check engine light
Re: FTE 80-96 - check engine light
FTE 80-96 - Transfer case question...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transfer case question...
FTE 80-96 - Re: alt. slipping
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 96 f150 dash
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 96 f150 dash
FTE 80-96 - Is anyone out there ?????
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 302 Rebuild
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 96 f150 dash
Re: FTE 80-96 - Valve job
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Oz Les, and flame throwing!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil Pressure and Temperature Gauges
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96:mazda 5spb
Re: FTE 80-96 - Filters
FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - Is anyone out there ?????
RE: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 96 f150 dash

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 05:16 -0500
From: Jason D Odor
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 302 Rebuild

I haven't gotten to the root cause yet, but 7 and 8 are right next to each
other. A lot of people I have talked to has said the same thing, I sure am
hopping so.




dharmier gte.net on 10/28/99 10:56:37 PM
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Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 302 Rebuild

Jason said:

>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 05:51 -0500
>From: Jason D Odor
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - 302 rebuild

>Fellow Listers,
>Well, looks like I'm going to have to rebuild the 302 in my 93 F150. I've

>already started tearing it apart. I'm really excited, this is the first
time I
>have taken apart a motor. By the way, I'm the guy that has no compression
in
>cylinders 7 and 8. My question is, what do I look for and what are
components
>that I should replace(worn or maybe not worn)? On top of all of that,
what can
>I do while I have it apart to increase horse power? As I said, I am a
virgin
>to rebuilds, so any and all help/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

>Jason

Jason, I claim to know NOTHING. But if 7&8 are right next to each other
(I'm not sure if it's 1357 on one side or 1234) but if they are, I'd bet
blown head gasket. Heck my 92 w/ 302 has 198k on it, and still seems solid.

Dave H.
Houston

P.S. I shudder at the thought of pulling my motor... hoses and wires from
HELL!!!!

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:29:23 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting, Loping idle

FLR150 aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/28/99 9:14:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> bobkennedy uswest.net writes:
>
>
> measured should be at .6 volts at idle building to 4.5 volts full throttle.
> There are three wires to it, one of them is the VREF, it should read 10.5
> volts constant. The other two are the two to use. >>
> Bob,
> I have been told to set the TPS at .98. Just throwing my .02 in.
> Later

Yes, TPS should be near 1 volt at idle.

OX
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:22:10 -0500
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 89 3.L-V6 HARD STARTING COLD

Al,
I was out in the garage trying to sort out my own EEC-IV problems last night
and thought about your comment about the IAC being energized before the
engine starts. On my '90 300 six, with the key on, 12V (or battery) is
present on both wires of the solenoid. After starting and while idling at
about the right speed, the red wire still had battery voltage and the other
wire was at about 8.5V. So I think it is normal to have voltage applied
before starting. I think this thing is a solenoid capable of any position
dependent on the computer output voltage. 12V is off, 0V would be full on.
Anyway, back to your no start cold problem. I assume you think the IAC
allowing too much air making it too lean. I would double check this
assumption by enriching the mixture while cranking. Either spray ether or
propane into the air intake. When it does start, does it idle fast? This
would indicate that the temp sensor is correctly telling the computer that
the engine is cold.

David Anderson
......>>>>>>The engine will not start cold unless I remove the IAC
electrical connector, otherwise the IAC solenoid energizes at KOEO
instead of after the engine starts. When warm the engine runs great and
IAC appears to work correctly. Does ANYONE have any suggestions on
where I go next?........>>>>>>>>
Al
alpau bellsouth.net


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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:27:06 -0500
From: "Ed Mount"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fram Filters

Too bad. I find a good thing and stick with it for years, only to find the
company has suckered me and lots of others by cheapening the product for its
own profit. Seems to be the way the world is going, everyone is looking for
the big bucks, and forget about quality and integrity.

It looks like Fram was one of those quality companies who got bought out for
their good name, then the good name was taken advantage of. It seems in the
business world, this tactic is called smart marketing, and the people who
practice it are considered good businessmen and are highly praised. What is
the current filter of the day?


> Also - refer to: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilters.html which is
the
> "results" part of the pretty well known oil filter study site.
>
> Wherein it says, and I quote directly from the website...
> Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard
filter
> (the radioactive-orange cans) is one of the worst out there. ==

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:58:29 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 302 Rebuild

A bit of advice for those without years of experience pulling and
overhauling motors:

You will need masking tape, a pen with permanent ink, spiral notebook,
zip-top sandwich bags.

First, clean the engine thoroughly.

Assume you can't remember anything.

Label both ends of every hose, wire, cable, and linkage. Letters in
indelible ink on masking tape works well. When you get to "Z", start over
with "AA, BB, CC...." Also label the fitting, stud, bracket, etc. from which
the hose, wire, cable, or linkage was removed. This way you know where
everything goes back.

List everything you disassemble in the notebook, in order of disassembly.
Note the identification codes you assigned in the previous step just in case
a tag becomes unreadable. Draw pictures of evrything before you take it
apart. Polaroid cameras work wonderfully here. If you have 2 different
length bolts holding something on, note on the picture what bolt goes where.
LABEL EVERYTHING. How you solved the inevitable problems with reaching
hidden hardware and lining up 7 things at once should be recorded in the
notebook.

As each component is removed, clean everything and place that component's
hardware and associated small parts in a zip-top bag and label the bag. Be
sure to note the label in the spiral notebook. Some parts need to go back in
the same place they came from, like rockers and pushrods. I use a 2X8 board
with nails driven through and set rocker arms over the nails. Holes drilled
part way through then board in front of each nail store the corresponding
pushrod and lifter. Rod and main bearings go in individual zip-top bags with
their corresponding caps and bolts.

Shelve the parts and hardware in the order they were removed. I have 2 old
house doors on concrete blocks that will hold everything except the engine
block, in order. The doors are wide enough that parts lined up against the
wall are not in the way of parts being worked on at the moment. If a gasket
is destroyed during disassemby, note the need for a new one in the notebook.
Leaving out gaskets is a common occurance.

Thusly organized, you can work your way down the tables, reworking some
components, selecting others for a trip to the machine shop. While waiting
for your re-machined parts to be done, why not install brushes in the
alternator and starter and rebuild the carb just to prevent any future
problems? A can or 2 of engine paint really is worth the cost. Replace all
the vacuum lines as a matter of course, especially if the truck is over 5
years old.

As you collect replacement parts, carefully match them with the old parts to
make sure you have the right ones. Then label the new parts just as the old
parts are labeled. Do not try to transfer labels from the old parts to the
new. I have a shelf above my tables to store the old parts on when new parts
take their places on the table. New parts are kept in their original
packages until time to reassemble.

Oil, coolant, assembly lube, gasket sealers, Loc-Tite, etc., all need to be
one the tables. I've seen people start rebuilt engines without oil and/or
coolant. It is easy to overlook something when the project is nearing
completion and the adrenalin kicks in.

Assembly is just working backwards through your notebook and down the
tables. The time you use keeping everything recorded, labeled, and organized
will more than be made up by the time you save digging through piles of
parts looking for that certain bolt, if you even remember you need a certain
bolt. All your wires, cables, hoses, brckets, etc., will be hooked up
correctly, possibly saving hours or even days of trying to troubleshoot a
misplaced vacuum line.

Once the truck is running properly, throw away all the old parts and clean
up your work area.

Ken

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:23:38 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - wheel paint

This is a tourist lodge near Niagra, Falls, I
assume. Couldn't find a thing about Ford trucks.

Ken

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:24:32 -0400
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - EVERYTHING ABOUT OIL FILTERS

All you ever wanted to know about oil filters (including FRAM) is on this
web site. This includes studies, cutout pictures, etc. This should answer
most of your questions. Even though it's a Mopar site, it studies many
filters.



HAVE FUN!
Kevin Reed

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:32:36 -0500
From: bg
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - wheel paint

If your looking for the paint supply place it's
www.eastwoodcompany.com
bill g

ken haley wrote:

> This is a tourist lodge near Niagra, Falls, I
> assume. Couldn't find a thing about Ford trucks.
>
> Ken
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:37:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - wheel paint

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.eastwoodco.com/


On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, ken haley wrote:

> This is a tourist lodge near Niagra, Falls, I
> assume. Couldn't find a thing about Ford trucks.
>
> Ken
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:54:57 -0500
From: "DannyF"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Bed measurement

'90 F-150 SB Fleetside:

Outside: 73 1/8".

Inside: 64 7/8"

Measured at front.

Danny

> Can someone with a fleetside F-series measure the distance between the bed
> rails at the front of the bed for me? I have to pull out the dent that my
> old motor made this weekend, and I need a refrence.
>
> Thanks!!!


Danny
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:54:57 -0500
From: "DannyF"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Hard starting, Loping idle

Did you clear the codes?

Did you drive around and let idle for 10 mins for computer to
readjust?

Did you clean out the EGR port as I suggested last time?

Danny

> I replaced the EGR position sensor after getting some codes about EGR
> flow etc. This has not fixed either problem.. I suspect the TPS but
> get no codes that indicate this may be the problem. I don't want to
> guess with $50.00 plus parts but that's my next guess. Any one have a
> better idea???


Danny
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:21:02 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - EVERYTHING ABOUT OIL FILTERS

Kevin,

Thanks for the links. I'll stop by WalMart this afternoon for a case of
Motorcraft FL1-A oil filters.

New topics: Anyone know of similar studies of fuel, aor, crank vent filters
and PCV valves? How about other maintenance and tuneup parts?

Ken

Never to old to learn.

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:21:53 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - wheel paint

Thanks for the correct link.

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:30:08 -0400
From: flagship worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Hard starting, Loping idle

I did clean out the EGR port although I did not disconnect the battery
or drive it around that much. It's being driven now and I'll do all
that when it gets back. I suspect the EGR problem codes were there and
are now "cleaned up" but may not have been the cause of the original
problem.

Emil

DannyF wrote:
>
> Did you clear the codes?
>
> Did you drive around and let idle for 10 mins for computer to
> readjust?
>
> Did you clean out the EGR port as I suggested last time?
>
> Danny
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:58:52 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting, Loping idle

That's on the adjustable versions, and I think you have yours set for a few mods,
right Wayne?


Bob

FLR150 aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/28/99 9:14:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> bobkennedy uswest.net writes:
>
>
> measured should be at .6 volts at idle building to 4.5 volts full throttle.
> There are three wires to it, one of them is the VREF, it should read 10.5
> volts constant. The other two are the two to use. >>
> Bob,
> I have been told to set the TPS at .98. Just throwing my .02 in.
> Later
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside SC
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:00:53 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting, Loping idle

Isn't that a model year specific thing? My '86 (the early model rotary idles at .65
volts) is around 1100 rpm at 1 volt.

Bob


luxjo thecore.com wrote:

> FLR150 aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 10/28/99 9:14:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > bobkennedy uswest.net writes:
> >
> >
> > measured should be at .6 volts at idle building to 4.5 volts full throttle.
> > There are three wires to it, one of them is the VREF, it should read 10.5
> > volts constant. The other two are the two to use. >>
> > Bob,
> > I have been told to set the TPS at .98. Just throwing my .02 in.
> > Later
>
> Yes, TPS should be near 1 volt at idle.
>
> OX
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:26:24 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - T coil

>Blake writes: >>Drill and tap a hole into the side of your exhaust pipe
>just in
>from the
>exit and thread a spark plug in. Hook it to a Model T coil that is wired to
>a switch inside. With a carbureted engine, you could leave it in gear and
>shut the ignition off so the gasoline vapors would collect in the exhaust.
>Hit the coil button and WAMMM! it throughs a nice flame out the back.
>Probably wouldn't work with a cat converter either. Oh well, technology
>takes the fun out.
>
>Yo Blake!!!! You old enough to have tried this or are you relating someone
>elses experiences???????
>I'm old enough to have done this on a '51 Merc that I had as a youngster.
>Great
>stories and great car.

I have not tried this one personally though I have done some other
interesting things with the coils.

My uncle Howard told me about this in his youthfull antics.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:47:30 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting, Loping idle

In a message dated 10/29/99 2:05:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bobkennedy uswest.net writes:


few mods,
right Wayne? >>
Bob,
On the TPS settings, AFAIK the aftermarket TPS are supposed to be
non-adjustable. But when I had to change mine, the non-adjustable one was
reading 1.2 volts, WAY to high. I had to elongate the holes to make it
adjustable. Now on the settings of the TPS, I have dealt with MANY engine
builders and tuners. They have all told me to set the TPS at .97-.98 volts.
This being as due to vibration and vehicle movement, the TPS voltage readings
will fluctuate and you DO NOT want the TPS to read any HIGHER than 1.0 volt
at idle. This recommendation came as a standard for stock and modified
vehicles. Basically the .97-.98 setting will optimize throttle response and
shifting, as this is one of the sensors that the EEC uses to determine these
and other functions.
I hope I have helped,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:18:37 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting, Loping idle

I think you are dead on it, Wayne. My stuff is a little older and my transmission
is the AOD variety, so mine is set at the lower end, I did have to 'make it
adjustable'.
It works out great, like I said the '86 seems to be a breed apart with EFI,
EEC-IV, and the AOD.

Bob


FLR150 aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/29/99 2:05:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> bobkennedy uswest.net writes:
>
>
> few mods,
> right Wayne? >>
> Bob,
> On the TPS settings, AFAIK the aftermarket TPS are supposed to be
> non-adjustable. But when I had to change mine, the non-adjustable one was
> reading 1.2 volts, WAY to high. I had to elongate the holes to make it
> adjustable. Now on the settings of the TPS, I have dealt with MANY engine
> builders and tuners. They have all told me to set the TPS at .97-.98 volts.
> This being as due to vibration and vehicle movement, the TPS voltage readings
> will fluctuate and you DO NOT want the TPS to read any HIGHER than 1.0 volt
> at idle. This recommendation came as a standard for stock and modified
> vehicles. Basically the .97-.98 setting will optimize throttle response and
> shifting, as this is one of the sensors that the EEC uses to determine these
> and other functions.
> I hope I have helped,
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside SC
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:03:51 -0400
From: Rich
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: 96 f150 dash

I have a 96 F150 XL without the tach. I can get a dash w/tach for
pretty close to nothing. My question is...Where does the truck store its
mileage? In the cluster, or in the computer? I want to be able to swap
this out, without affecting my odometer mileage. Also, does Ford have
noisy fuel injection? My truck sometimes sounds like it has a ticking
noise.
Thanks,
Rich
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:02:55 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Oz Les, and Flamethrowing

Blake, the Paintball Gun thing brings me right back to square one! I favor
a system whereby everyone gets a total of three paintballs per month. And
they use them on idiot drivers. And they must be used frugally. And the
driver that gets 3 gets taken off the road for a month to cool down.

ONLY thing better would be a Lazer that utterly vaporizes a target (Avoid
messy lawsuits!!!)

Dave H.
Houston (where we have more than our share of idiots!) TX
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:05:34 -0400
From: joe delaurentis
Subject: FTE 80-96 - check engine light

Hi,
my 92 Bronco(351) has a problem with the check engine light coming on.
It comes
on after long drives on the highway and i slow down to a stop it will
come on then go off after a minute or so..I also notice when it does
come on the motor seems to lag like its flooded and i need to floor it
to get going good....What should i start with

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Joe
68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:42:57 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - check engine light

Since the check engine light coming on means the EEC computer has gotten a
fault code, the first thing I would do would be to pull the codes from the
computer. That should get you pointed in the right direction.

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje mindspring.com
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From: joe delaurentis
To: new trucklist
Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 4:09 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - check engine light


>Hi,
>my 92 Bronco(351) has a problem with the check engine light coming on.
>It comes
>on after long drives on the highway and i slow down to a stop it will
>come on then go off after a minute or so..I also notice when it does
>come on the motor seems to lag like its flooded and i need to floor it
>to get going good....What should i start with
>
>--
>Joe
>68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
>Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!
>
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:26:30 -0700
From: "Beth and Tony Fischer"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Transfer case question...

Hi all,

I have a 1986 F-150 4x4 with a NP-208 transfer case. I found a hose hanging
off it, and was wondering where it is suppose to go (or is it some kind of
vent?). The hose (looks like a large vacuum line, almost fuel line size)
coming from the top of the x-fer case, right above where the rear driveline
comes out. If anybody has the similar truck, could you please take a look
sometime for me!?!?!

Thanks in advance,

Tony Fischer
Portland, Oregon
Beth, Tony, David and Danielle Fischer
Sadie and Angel too!
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Beth: ICQ# 21304630 AIM Tari135
Tony: AIM Twotone74

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's
easier to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs."




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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:56:47 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transfer case question...

That would be the vent hose for the t-case, similar to the vents on the
diffs. If you are planning any deep water crossings I would route this hose
as high as possible, or even replace it with a longer one.

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje mindspring.com
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From: Beth and Tony Fischer
To: FORD LIST
Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 4:34 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Transfer case question...


>Hi all,
>
>I have a 1986 F-150 4x4 with a NP-208 transfer case. I found a hose
hanging
>off it, and was wondering where it is suppose to go (or is it some kind of
>vent?). The hose (looks like a large vacuum line, almost fuel line size)
>coming from the top of the x-fer case, right above where the rear driveline
>comes out. If anybody has the similar truck, could you please take a look
>sometime for me!?!?!
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Tony Fischer
>Portland, Oregon
>Beth, Tony, David and Danielle Fischer
>Sadie and Angel too!
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.dencity.com/baddfischer/
>Beth: ICQ# 21304630 AIM Tari135
>Tony: AIM Twotone74
>
>"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's
>easier to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs."
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:39:55 -0500
From: "Waddell"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: alt. slipping

want to thank everyone who responded to my question,somethings I haven't
tried but I will.

thanks
again
Larry

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:31:11 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 96 f150 dash

In a message dated 10/29/1999 6:14:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rdtect snet.net writes:


I have a 96 F150 XL without the tach. I can get a dash w/tach for
pretty close to nothing. My question is...Where does the truck store its
mileage? In the cluster, or in the computer? >>

it's in the cluster... I know there is a way to reprogram it, but you would
have to ask a ford tech about it...

Joe
Lost in Jersey
88 Integra
92 F-150
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:44:24 -0700
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 96 f150 dash

The mileage is stored in the "Programmable Speedometer-Odometer Module" or
PSOM. But I have heard conflicting reports of where this device is located.
Some people have told me that it is mounted to the back of the instrument
cluster, and others have told me that it is behind the glovebox. Supposedly
you can swap the cluster out and the mileage will stay the same, but just
remember to get a cluster from a truck with the same number of cylinders (6
or 8) and fuel system (gas or diesel) as your truck so that the tach reads
correctly. I've been meaning to do this swap on my mom's '96 F-150 5.8L, but
have not been able to find a used cluster for a price that doesn't make me
feel like I'm being raped. If you know a place where I can get a gas V8
cluster cheap, let me know!

Rob

> From: Rich
> Organization: "Lead me not into temptation. I can find it myself."
> Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:03:51 -0400
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: 96 f150 dash
>
> I have a 96 F150 XL without the tach. I can get a dash w/tach for
> pretty close to nothing. My question is...Where does the truck store its
> mileage? In the cluster, or in the computer? I want to be able to swap
> this out, without affecting my odometer mileage. Also, does Ford have
> noisy fuel injection? My truck sometimes sounds like it has a ticking
> noise.
> Thanks,
> Rich
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:15:08 EDT
From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Is anyone out there ?????

I've posted several questions and answered some in the past few sessions, but
I never get a response. If anybody gets or sees this note, please respond so
I know if I'm getting out there.
Thanks,
Bill B.
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:06:40 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 302 Rebuild

Ken-
From one who has been there, this is excellent advice! I drew so many
pictures of my Riviera engine as things were coming off of it, I literally
had a book. That process began in January. I had it back together and
runniong like a top in September. There is NO WAY I would have remembered
all of those details 9 months later. It is totally different from something
like pulling a waterpump (which I am doing right now) or doing the brakes,
where you put it all back together the same day. If you take your time to
do things right, it takes a while and you really do forget how it all went
together.

I used a whole bunch of the new disposable tupperware looking things that I
bought specifically for this work. I got the large ones, put parts for one
item in there and sealed it up. They stack, and they are great to assemble
out of later. Every nut, every bolt, etc. was cleaned on a wire wheel
before it was reassembled, especially the threads. Then a light oil to
torque them down properly.

At 06:58 29/10/99 PDT, you wrote:
>A bit of advice for those without years of experience pulling and
>overhauling motors:



Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:28:15 -0500
From: "Ed Mount"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 96 f150 dash

Rich,
I made this instrument cluster swap on my 94 F150 this summer. The mileage
stays in the cluster, so you will be stuck (or blessed) with the mileage in
your new replacement cluster. Sorry.

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From: Rich
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 5:29 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: 96 f150 dash


|I have a 96 F150 XL without the tach. I can get a dash w/tach for
|pretty close to nothing. My question is...Where does the truck store its
|mileage? In the cluster, or in the computer? I want to be able to swap
|this out, without affecting my odometer mileage.
|Rich
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:26:12 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Valve job

At 01:19 29/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I have a 1987 F150. Ever since I overheated the engine, it had a miss at
>idle. Three plugs were burnt away on
>the passenger side. I did a tune up and
>changed the O2censor. I cleaned the
>trottle and changed the tps. Changed
>air filter and fuel. The engine started
>stumbling at on exceleration with white
>smoke coming out the exhaust. I think
>I have a blown head gasket. Do I have
>to change the gasket on both heads even
>though just one is blown. I do not know
>what the head looks like either. If I have
>it redone, will it mess with the other one
>or the performance of the engine. Should
>I do them both?

If you can afford it, do both sides. If you overheated the engine, both
sides were overheated and you will be into the other side before too long
anyway. Easier to just do it all one time.

Have the machine shop that does you valves check for warped heads before
they do anything else. If too far gone, swap them out for some from a junk
yard. Have THEM checked for warpage also before any money changes hands. Do
not skimp on new valve stem seals. Get good ones, because this is a known
weak spot in the head design.

I always pull the exhaust manifolds and have the machine shop check them;
they can easily shave a few thousanths off to true them back up for you.
Although Ford did not use an exhaust gasket originally, I suggest you do.
And I always retorque the heads after 500 miles, even with gasket sets that
say you do not have to.

Good luck.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:39:06 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Oz Les, and flame throwing!

For those of you who do not have an old Model T coil sitting around, you
can make your own by wiring a mechanical (not electronic) 12 volt buzzer in
series with a plain old 12 volt coil out of any old car. The buzzer
contacts open and close frequently; each time they do, the coil will fire.

My brother wired this contraption up to the two handles of his wooden
dresser drawer when I was a kid. When I grabbed the handles and pulled
(activating the switch he had also installed) it threw my ss across the
room! He heard me downstairs and was ROTFLHAO when he realized what had
happened! Only made me madder.

At 17:01 28/10/99 PDT, you wrote:
>Les,
>
>Wire one side of a model T vibrator coil to one bumper gaurd, a ground to
>the other, and a pressure sensitive switch. Ever see what happens to someone
>sitting on a 5 gallon oil can wired to a T coil? haahaahaa You may need a
>12V-6V converter to make the coil work correctly, or just use a 6V dry cell
>and be sure to disconnect it before checking the oil or you will talk like
>Peewee Herman.
>
>Ken
>
>
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Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:42:06 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil Pressure and Temperature Gauges

At 22:46 26/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi, my name is Mike. I'm rather new to the list. Recently, I bought my
>first car, err, truck. Just so happens that it's an '89, F-150 XLT Lariat,
>std cab, full size bed, 2 wheel drive with an I-6 under the hood.


>A) The oil pressure guage shows very low pressure (if any). I know the pump
>isn't bad, as it was replaced shortly before I purchased the truck, and
>because I had to drive it up from Virginia. The engine runs great (even
>with 155,000 miles), so I figure if I had low pressure, I wouldn't have
>gotten as far as I did.
>
>B) The temperature guage is fairly low. I'm not sure if it is working at
>all, or if it is simply due to the semi-cold temperatures we've been
>experiencing here in Vermont.
>
>Any insight on the matters would be greatly appreciated.

Mike-
You can replace any sender (temp, oil pressure or fuel level) with a 10 ohm
10 watt power resistor between the wire and ground and that guage should
read with a needle width of max. (Hot on temp, Full on fuel, High on oil
press). If all 3 are low, Instrument Voltage Regulator (IVR) is probably
bad (common problem). If any one is in range, the others have a problem and
should be checked one at a time. The guage itself can go bad, but this is
not common.

Fuel sender has a longer wire, more prone to nicks or cuts that corrode and
increase resistance back to guage (reads low). Corrosion on connector on
ANY of these will make it read low. Clean them up, get a good connection.

If guages read correctly with test resistor, then sender is bad. They are
cheap and easy to replace.

A final note: IVR tends to wander around a lot, and all guages wander with
it together. It is supposed to put out constant average 5 volts, but it
usually does not.

Let us know if you have any more questions.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:46:29 EDT
From: JJust4505 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96:mazda 5spb

does any one know how much horsepower or tourqe a '87 model mazda 5 spd can
take
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:44:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Mike Persell"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Filters

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:32:56 -0700, Radoje Spasojevic wrote:
>I personally use either Wix or Purolator filters. While it may be true that
>they all filter the same, the internal construction plays an important part
>for me. The Fram filters use a cardboard endcap to the filter element. I
>don't know if any of you have soaked cardboard in oil, but I would rather
>not have my cardboard filter elements disintgrating and clogging my oil
>system.

Just checked with a couple of friends still in the business. The said they like
Wix, Baldwin and Hastings (Hastings with the depth element).

Obergs are a one time filter. You don't throw it away, you open it up and clean
the filter element, a stainless steel multilayer screen mesh that filters to about
5 microns. If it clogs it will bypass and you can even get an option that shows
a light when the bypass unit is open.

I've had mine for 10 years and just clean it every oil change. The first couple of
times you open it up it will scare you, seeing what you haven't seen before.

Mike

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 23:49:00 -0400
From: Rich
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires

I would like to know what the biggest tire is that I can put on my 96
F150 4x4. It has the 235's now. I just don't want my speedo to be off to
far
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:08:15 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Is anyone out there ?????

You're getting out there.

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:18:14 -0400
From: "Michael R. Dunbar"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires

Currently, I'm running 255s. According to my GPS, my speedometer reads
about 4 miles an hour faster than my actual speed. Not sure if this helps,
just wanted to add my two bits.

Michael R. Dunbar
Technical Director, WVTC 90.7 FM
Vermont Technical College
Randolph Center, VT 05061


> I would like to know what the biggest tire is that I can put on my 96
> F150 4x4. It has the 235's now. I just don't want my speedo to be off to
> far
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:37:02 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: Bigger Tires

Well any change in tire size is going to affect the speedo. As far as the....


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