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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!
FTE 80-96 - rear leaf springs
RE: FTE 80-96 - 302 Spark Plug Wires and Exhaust Manifold
RE: FTE 80-96 - 302 Spark Plug Wires and Exhaust Manifold
FTE 80-96 - Performance
[none]
FTE 80-96 - Looking for 88 integra head Off list topic......
FTE 80-96 - I6-300 stuff
FTE 80-96 - 93, 460 F-350 vs 94 F-250 turb diesel
FTE 80-96 - Timing device
Re: FTE 80-96 - I6-300 stuff
Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil Leak
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 2 Questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - 93, 460 F-350 vs 94 F-250 turb diesel
Re: FTE 80-96 - rear leaf springs
Re: FTE 80-96 - I6-300 stuff
Re: FTE 80-96 - I6-300 stuff

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:11:27 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!

Keep looking for that vacuum leak. Intake Manifold pressure changes under
load and the vacuum lines for just about everything are connected to the
intake manifold. I had to remove every hose before I found mine.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Salomone
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!


>Phred said.....
>
> Question to all regarding a slight loss of power and
>the vents: I recently
>noticed while driving with the air flowing through the
>vents, when the truck
>comes under heavy load (such as in overdrive, the
>cruise control set and a
>steep over-pass/incline), the air stops flowing from
>the vents and is
>re-routed to the windshield/defroster vents.
> Once the engine comes back off the load, the air goes
>back to circulating
>through the regular vents. Crazy yah?!
> This will occur with and without the AC on, and with
>or without the cruise
>control on.
> Now I know I am not normal, but I don't believe this
>has been happening
>since the truck was brand new.
> I have looked for a vacuum leak under hood without
>succes, and under the
>dash seems so strange and unknown, but nothing appear
>out of the ordinary.
>Suggestions? Non-serious ones will also be entertained.
>
> Thanks for the space,
>
> Phred, KD5AQB
> La Union NM
>
> Phred,
> Look for a vacuum check valve in the vacuum line or
>lines that
>go to the heater controlls. One hose in and one hose
>out.One side marked ''vac''
>When you pull that hill [cruise control is
>immaterial],the manifold
>vacuum drops.This lower vacuum may not be enought to
>hold the
>position of the vacuum motors which move the dampers
>which direct
>the air ; floor ,defrost ,etc.When you find the check
>valve or valves see
>if they hold vac in one direction and free flow in the
>other.
>If it leaks replace it.The other place to look for
>leaks is the air valving portion
>of the AC / heater control on the dash.
> The loss of power sounds like a vacuum leak.After
>all the obvious... hoses and fittings ,tighten the
>intake manifold bolts.
>
>Happpy Trails
>Mike Salomone aka mickeys sedona.net
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 07:11:55 -0400
From: "Alger, Timothy, CTR, AFSAA/SAT"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - rear leaf springs

I am trying to decide if I need to replace the rear leaf springs on my 86
F150 4X4. There are helper springs mounted above with the rubber pads on
the ends. The truck seems to be tight when driving but the smallest bump
even when empty causes the helper springs to hit. All help or ideas will be
appreciated.


thanks
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:15:34 -0400
From: Dave Heverin
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 302 Spark Plug Wires and Exhaust Manifold

Shawn,

I may be able to help you with the cracked exhaust manifold. I have one
that is yours for the cost of shipping. Let me know if you want it.

Dave
Bel Air, MD




- -----Original Message-----
From: Shawn & Jennifer Clark [mailto:sd&jkclark tyler.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 2:49 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 302 Spark Plug Wires and Exhaust Manifold


Hi-

I'm looking for some recommendations on good spark plug wires and any
tricks to extending their service life. I've had no problems with plug
wires on my Nissan's and Honda's, but Chrylser's and Ford's seem to eat
them like candy. I drove the 1991 F-150 w/302 about 150 miles today...man,
what a miserable drive. The darned thing had a combination miss/ping/late
fire going. No power. This was not happening at all the last time I drove
it. Every time I go to drive the blasted thing more than ten miles from
the house, something different stops working. This time it appears to be
the wires. These wires are less than two years old and were Autozone
"Double Silicone" wires with "Limited Lifetime Warranty". I'm about to
find out how limited.

I checked a number of things during the day to diagnose the problem. After
running 92 super premium in it without clearing up the miss/ping/late fire
and after jiggling/rerouting wires I suspected cross fire or some sort of
ignition gremlin. When it got dark, I parked it in a dark spot and cracked
the hood enough so that I could see the plugs without the light coming on;
and it rewarded me with a blue light show. I've got several different
wires arcing with one another and one with the coil wire--they are not
touching, but they are close enough to arc. Also, back of the coil toward
firewall is giving off some faint blue light, not sure precisely where.
Should I replace the coil, since I've torn about every other OEM part out
of this heap? Any recommendations on good, RELIABLE wires? The Motorcraft
wires didn't seem to be all that longlived and the Autozone wires have not
impressed me much--although the light show was pretty. The truck is nearly
stock except for a drop in K&N. Anyone care to suggest wire re-routing
techniques? Some of the routing on these F-150's looks like it was done by
a drunken sailor. I'm thinking of finding some sort of plastic spacers to
put at key points to keep the wires at least one inch apart.

Next problem, cracked exhaust manifold on passenger side. I've known about
this for awhile, but have not had time to worry about it since more
pressing items kept breaking. Any suggestions on where I can get new stock
exhaust manifolds cheap...and did they reinforce the area around the back
plug so the things won't crack? I'm not really wanting headers, unless
someone can recommend ones that are pretty quiet and won't put a lot of
excess heat under the hood.

Help would be appreciated. The lack of reliability of this truck is
forcing me to consider putting it out to pasture. I could understand the
problems if I knew nothing about cars, and never did preventive
maintenance, but this thing has been extremely well maintained and it still
can't seem to make it around the block without help. I'm tired of spending
the weekend working on it when I intended to take it on a trip instead. I
like working on cars to improve their performance, and doing general
preventive maintenance, but I don't care much for repetitively fixing
poorly designed/constructed components. Tonight I drove the Ford over to
the Toyota dealership to look at the new Tundra...good thing I could only
look (dealership was closed) or I might have made an impulse purchase.


Shawn Clark
e-mail: sd&jkclark tyler.net


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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:22:08 -0400
From: Dave Heverin
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 302 Spark Plug Wires and Exhaust Manifold

- -----Original Message-----
From: Shawn & Jennifer Clark [mailto:sd&jkclark tyler.net]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 12:52 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 Spark Plug Wires and Exhaust Manifold
Shawn,

Check into the Flowmaster cat-back system. I have a 3" pipe with Flowmaster
"big-block" muffler. Just the slightest rumble to it and there was a
noticeable increase in the bottom end.

Dave
Bel Air, MD

....................................
I'm also
looking for suggestions on cat-backs for these 1991 302's. I'm not into
loud or boomy exhaust notes, although being a bit throatier than stock is
OK. I'm looking for something relatively free flowing, but not to the
point that it begins to rob low end torque. In short: I'm looking for
power across the rev range, I'm not looking for something that will sound
cool to 18 year olds. If any of you know of a comparison of different
systems, please point me in the right direction.

Thanks,

Shawn Clark
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:15:35 -0700
From: "Dennis"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Performance

Anyone out there know of an aftermarket chip manufacturer for my
application: 89" f250 ext cab xlt lariat 351w F.I. C6 tranny and over
8500GVW(8800gvw). Also trying to isolate a stumbling idle and uneven
acceleration under heavy load.

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:30:27 -0700
From: Jim Cross
Subject: [none]

I'm a new list member with an 89 F350 crew cab single rear wheel under rebuild
It has an industrial bush box on it ( it's an ex-logging company unit)

My questions are
1) Where can I locate a short factory box? Is it a tough job to change?
2) Are dual wheels a bolt on or are there major brake changes etc to
convert from a
single wheels setup?

Thanks

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:10:29 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Looking for 88 integra head Off list topic......

I found out today that my oil pump crapped out. The exhaust cam has
sucessfully eaten into my head. The cap and the journal is bad. PLEASE
HELP!!!!!!



Joe
Lost in Jersey
88 Integra
92 F-150
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Date: 18 Oct 99 10:32:05 PDT
From: William Berninghausen
Subject: FTE 80-96 - I6-300 stuff

Just some I6-300 data and a question.

After a top-half rebuild in March, I kept track of gas consumption for 30=
50.7
miles--16.132 mpg, including an oil change (dino), a K&N air filter, and =
new
tires (same size). At that point, I switched from Autolite to NGK
V-powers--3286.5 miles, 16.329 mpg. =


There's not enough differences to base any modifications on, and anyway I=

don't know that 16mpg isn't about all anyone can get from a stock 82 I6-3=
00
with 117K on it. Oh, yeah--3 on the tree, 2.47 gears.

Maybe an MSD 5?

Now the question--warm, dry weather agrees with my truck, but that's not =
the
norm in the Portland area, even though the Ford dealers insist that the
Pacific Northwest is "Ford Country." Do they say that everywhere??
Anyway, the rocker cover to air cleaner vent hose is piping clear water r=
ight
into the intake. Once the PCV filter in the air cleaner housing is satur=
ated,
the water backs up and there's peanut butter-looking sludge under the roc=
ker
cover and eventually it show up on the dipstick. But the drained oil has=
no
trace of this emulsion.

Any ideas?? I think I'll vent the rocker cover into a jug instead of int=
o the
air cleaner, to see what kind of fluids I'll collect. =


Since Oregon went to a dynamometer/no inspection smog check, maybe I'll h=
it a
bump and lose some of the hoses and stuff under there...

Bill in Portland


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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:07:26 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 93, 460 F-350 vs 94 F-250 turb diesel

Hi all

I've been a member of the 61-79 truck and Big Bronco lists forever> I
have 4-78/79 Broncos and a 79 F-350. I am considering purchasing a newer
pickup. These are my two choices so far.


First one was a 93, F-350 XLT with 460. Std cab, loaded with 95K.
Asking 11,900$.

Second was a 94, F-250 XLT with turbo diesel. Std cab, Loaded with
68K. Asking 15,475$

Since I don't know anything about diesels and it's quite a bit more,
I'm leaning towards the F-350. I'm also assuming the F-250 has TTB
front?? How are diesels in the winter?? I know I won't be happy having
to plug it in every night. I'm sure the diesel would get about twice the
milage over the 460, any comments there? Was the 460 EFI in 93??

Thanks

OX
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:16:24 -0400
From: slikness mindspring.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Timing device

I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, but MSD makes an adjustable timing device that allows you to adjust your timing up to 15 degrees from a dial inside the truck. It runs about $95 from Summit Racing. I just put one on my '82 351W.

Slik

80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
> Hi! I have a 351HO built fffor my 81 F250. I'm looking for a device tochange the timing when I switch from propane to gasoline. Does anyone
know wher I can find ssomething like this? Thanks Tom Wiggins

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:35:14 EDT
From: RQTHOMSON aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - I6-300 stuff

I have an 83 I-300 with 235k on it & have had the same condensate problem
forever. I sealed the dip-stick with a rubber hose & this helped keep the
water out of the crankcase. The replacement oil filler cap didn't have a
place for the hose to the air cleaner so I just left it off & haven't had a
problem. The only time I got better mileage than that was when it was new &
with straight level interstate & AOD in overdrive I could go over 20 mpg, but
that was a long time ago. & Yes, everywhere is Ford Country.
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:16:44 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil Leak

>>Greeting Listers,
>>
>> I have a '93 F150 SC 351, I seem to be having problems with an oil leak.
>>When I bought the truck it had a huge leak (about 1.5 quarts a day) and I
>>have slowed it down a lot. I had to change the pan gasket, and rear main
>>seal. The question I have is: It has only been a week since I have changed
>>the rear main seal, I am not seeing any oil on the ground anymore (thank
>>god) but when I open the hood and look at my left valve cover gasket I can
>>see oil right about the exaugst manifold, seems to be leaking worse from the
>>rear of the cover. I am going to change this gasket out this weekend but I
>>need to know if I should go ahead and do both (a lot of work), the right
>>side is solid no leak, or should I just do the left. The other question I
>>have is what type of gasket do you recommend, the parts house has a cork
>>(blah) gasket and a metal gasket. The cork is much cheaper of course. Are
>>the valve covers eaisily warped on this engine? I seem to remember the

My valve covers had never been off since the truck was built, but the
driver's side had a 1/4" gap in the gasket and poured oil out when
snowplowing sloshed it to the front. Other times it just dripped out.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:58:33 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 2 Questions

>1. Anyone know the stock factory H.P. and Torque numbers for a stock 1985
>F-150 4x4 351-2v (hi-Altitude package), 4 spd, manual O.D.?
>2. Does anyone know the percent loss in H.P. per 1000 feet rise in altitude?
>Is it constant as you rise in altitude?
>Thanks Walt

It also depends on the barometer at the time.

Horsepower of engines is rated at sea level at (I believe) 30" Hg
barometric pressure. Best way to overcome altitude loss is with a
turbocharger or supercharger.


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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:32:59 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 93, 460 F-350 vs 94 F-250 turb diesel

>Hi all
>
> I've been a member of the 61-79 truck and Big Bronco lists forever> I
>have 4-78/79 Broncos and a 79 F-350. I am considering purchasing a newer
>pickup. These are my two choices so far.
>
>
> First one was a 93, F-350 XLT with 460. Std cab, loaded with 95K.
>Asking 11,900$.
>
> Second was a 94, F-250 XLT with turbo diesel. Std cab, Loaded with
>68K. Asking 15,475$
>
> Since I don't know anything about diesels and it's quite a bit more,
>I'm leaning towards the F-350. I'm also assuming the F-250 has TTB
>front?? How are diesels in the winter?? I know I won't be happy having
>to plug it in every night. I'm sure the diesel would get about twice the
>milage over the 460, any comments there? Was the 460 EFI in 93??
>

Well the diesel should get a lot more milage than the 460, but unless it
has overdrive it will probably only get about 14 mpg. If it has OD, it may
get close to 20 depending on gearing. The diesel will outtouque the 460,
but needs higher gearing to get its benefits.

The diesel will probably have a better resale value and will make up the
price difference.

BUT, as far as the truck itself goes, I personally would go with a solid
axle truck anytime over an independent suspension front end. So unless you
can find an F-350 diesel, you will have a difficult choice to make.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:35:53 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - rear leaf springs

>I am trying to decide if I need to replace the rear leaf springs on my 86
>F150 4X4. There are helper springs mounted above with the rubber pads on
>the ends. The truck seems to be tight when driving but the smallest bump
>even when empty causes the helper springs to hit. All help or ideas will be
>appreciated.
>

Do the leaves have a bunch of rust between them, swelling and forcing the
leaves apart? This makes the leaves hit the stops too soon. Mine did this
on an F-250. You just have to take the leaf stacks apart to beat the rust
out. Then they are fine.


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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:45:38 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - I6-300 stuff

At 10:32 18/10/99 PDT, Bill sat at his computer in Portland and wrote:
>Anyway, the rocker cover to air cleaner vent hose is piping clear water right
>into the intake. Once the PCV filter in the air cleaner housing is
saturated,
>the water backs up and there's peanut butter-looking sludge under the rocker
>cover and eventually it show up on the dipstick. But the drained oil has no
>trace of this emulsion.
>
>Any ideas??

Your PCV system is not keeping up with the engine. It might not be working
properly. Or you may simply have more blowby than it can handle. Either
way, you are not pulling the moisture from combustion process back into the
intake manifold, so it is venting out through the hose from filler to air
filter.


>I think I'll vent the rocker cover into a jug instead of into the
>air cleaner, to see what kind of fluids I'll collect.
>
>Since Oregon went to a dynamometer/no inspection smog check, maybe I'll hit a
>bump and lose some of the hoses and stuff under there...

IMHO, it is better leave it all intact. If they switch to another test
form, you will wish you had it. And unless you make other offsetting
changes, it won't neccesarily improve mpg.




Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:46:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Mike Persell"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - I6-300 stuff

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:45:38 -0500, Jim Cannon wrote:....


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