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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - muffler backfire problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - muffler backfire problem
FTE 80-96 - Gas tank switch
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas tank switch
Re: FTE 80-96 - muffler backfire problem
FTE 80-96 - Gas Tank
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Tank
FTE 80-96 - Gas Tanks (corrected Version sorry)
FTE 80-96 - Re: REAR LEAF SPRINGS
RE: FTE 80-96 - Tailgate hardware question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Tank
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: REAR LEAF SPRINGS
FTE 80-96 - Re: REAR LEAF SPRINGS
FTE 80-96 - Re: Tailgate hardware question
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: REAR LEAF SPRINGS
RE: FTE 80-96 - Gas Tank
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas tank switch
FTE 80-96 - 302 Exhaust Manifold

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:27:36 -0400
From: "duane"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - muffler backfire problem

I have a 300inch 6 with Manual transmission in a 84 F150. I am having a
problem
>with muffler backfires that has me stumped. When I take my foot off the gas
a
>very loud backfire comes out of the tailpipe.
> I have a feedback carb with EEC 4. I have replaced the oxygen sensor, I
have
>rebuilt the carb. I have adjusted the timing to 10 degrees BTDC per specs.
I have no
>vacuum leaks, verified with a vacuum gauge. New plugs wires and cap. New
air
>filter, new PCV valve. I replaced the computer control Module. THe EGR
diaphragm
>is OK and the EGR valve seals OK (does not leak).
>
>The idle speed solenoid is fine, idle speed is 600 RPM. Only happens when
the
>engine is warmed up. Codes outputted from the computer are 23 and 18. 18 is
loss
>of TACH signal to ECU and 23 is Throttle Position Sense out of range.
>
>The TPS on 6 cylinder 300 engines is supposed to be non adjustable so that
does
>not make sense. I have checked the wiring from the TFI distributor to the
ECU
>and the TACH signal is getting there fine.
>
>I suspect the carb but it is a pricey item to buy and try. If anyone has
had
>this problem and can guide me on this I would appreciate it.
>
>Duane
>

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:43:05 EDT
From: MRStace84 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - muffler backfire problem


a
>very loud backfire comes out of the tailpipe.
> I have a feedback carb with EEC 4. I have replaced the oxygen sensor, I
have>>

There is a check valve connected to the air pump (Assuming your truck still
has this stuff on it). I forget whether it's on the inlet side or outlet.
If it goes bad it will cause the problem your describing. I had the same
problem on a Plymouth Horizon. The check valve is mounted on the passengers
side of the motor toward the front, under neath the exhaust and intake
manifold. Hope this helps

Stacy Fisher

84 F140 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:14:11 -0500
From: "Allen Collins"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas tank switch

My gas tank switch that changes tanks is not working, it only shows the
fuel level when switched over. Someone in the past history of this truck
routed the front fuel tank hose to the electric fuel pump.

What I would like to know is in my opinion it would be easier to install an
aftermarket change over switch for both tanks. Where would I find one of
these (or precisely what do I look for)? Any other problems or solutions I
should look at? Your advice is appreciated

Thanks for the bandwidth

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:11:06 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas tank switch

Is the problem in the switch or in the solenoid/valve that actually switches
the fuel supply. Remember that the gauge and the solenoid are on separate
circuits that are connected to the same switch. That is. When you switch
tanks the gauge circuit and the solenoid circuit are switched but one or the
other could be inoperable. In my case the gauge worked but the solenoid
wasn't activating.
I bought a solenoid / valve from Ford and it was easy to install and as I
recall quite cheap. BTW remember to drain the fuel tanks or crimp the lines
to the valve before changing it. The gas comes out of those lines in a
hurry. I'll let you guess why I know that.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 10:16 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas tank switch


>My gas tank switch that changes tanks is not working, it only shows the
>fuel level when switched over. Someone in the past history of this truck
>routed the front fuel tank hose to the electric fuel pump.
>
>What I would like to know is in my opinion it would be easier to install an
>aftermarket change over switch for both tanks. Where would I find one of
>these (or precisely what do I look for)? Any other problems or solutions I
>should look at? Your advice is appreciated
>
>Thanks for the bandwidth
>
>Allen
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:28:02 PDT
From: "Roger Lane"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - muffler backfire problem

I had the exact same problems w/ the exact same setup. Turned out to be
that the TPS was dead (used an ohm meter to test it, it read zero ohms).
Also had a similar problem with the backfiring. Has the PIP been changed?
(Hall effect sensor in the dist.) Mine was bad and only acted up when
warm.

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:27:36 -0400, duane wrote:

> I have a 300inch 6 with Manual transmission in a 84 F150. I am having a
> problem
> >with muffler backfires that has me stumped. When I take my foot off the
gas
> a
> >very loud backfire comes out of the tailpipe.
> > I have a feedback carb with EEC 4. I have replaced the oxygen sensor,
I
> have
> >rebuilt the carb. I have adjusted the timing to 10 degrees BTDC per
specs.
> I have no
> >vacuum leaks, verified with a vacuum gauge. New plugs wires and cap. New
> air
> >filter, new PCV valve. I replaced the computer control Module. THe EGR
> diaphragm
> >is OK and the EGR valve seals OK (does not leak).
> >
> >The idle speed solenoid is fine, idle speed is 600 RPM. Only happens
when
> the
> >engine is warmed up. Codes outputted from the computer are 23 and 18. 18
is
> loss
> >of TACH signal to ECU and 23 is Throttle Position Sense out of range.
> >
> >The TPS on 6 cylinder 300 engines is supposed to be non adjustable so
that
> does
> >not make sense. I have checked the wiring from the TFI distributor to
the
> ECU
> >and the TACH signal is getting there fine.
> >
> >I suspect the carb but it is a pricey item to buy and try. If anyone has
> had
> >this problem and can guide me on this I would appreciate it.
> >
> >Duane
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:07:41 PDT
From: "Christopher Worley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas Tank

I saw something like this posted a little while ago and wanted a little
clarification on the problem. I have a '93 F150 Super Cab with dual fuel
tanks, the problem I have is only the rear tank works, when I switch to the
front tank the truck just sputters and dies out. I thought the problem was
with the switch so I physically switched the postition on the switch where
the tanks are eg. I put the rear tank on the "front" side of the switch and
put the front tank on the "rear" side of the switch. Still had the same
problem. I was wondering if anyone knows if this type of setup had dual
fuel pumps or if there is something else I should check first. Please
excuse my ignorance on the subject.


Thanks

Chris Worley
1993 F150 Super Cab 351


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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:28:45 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Tank

Just a guess but I think that vintage truck has electric fuel pumps in each
tank. My '85 has one good ole mechanical fuel pump right up front, thank
GOD!!!! I'm sure someone else will know for sure.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

- -----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Worley
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 12:10 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas Tank


>I saw something like this posted a little while ago and wanted a little
>clarification on the problem. I have a '93 F150 Super Cab with dual fuel
>tanks, the problem I have is only the rear tank works, when I switch to the
>front tank the truck just sputters and dies out. I thought the problem was
>with the switch so I physically switched the postition on the switch where
>the tanks are eg. I put the rear tank on the "front" side of the switch and
>put the front tank on the "rear" side of the switch. Still had the same
>problem. I was wondering if anyone knows if this type of setup had dual
>fuel pumps or if there is something else I should check first. Please
>excuse my ignorance on the subject.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Chris Worley
>1993 F150 Super Cab 351
>
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:46:59 PDT
From: "Christopher Worley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas Tanks (corrected Version sorry)

I saw something like this posted a little while ago and wanted a little
clarification on the problem. I have a '93 F150 Super Cab with dual fuel
tanks, the problem I have is only the rear tank works, when I switch to the
front tank the truck just sputters and dies out. I thought the problem was
with the switch so I physically switched the postition on the switch where
the tanks are eg. I put the rear tank on the "front" side of the switch and
put the front tank on the "rear" side of the switch. This time the front
side worked and the rear side didn't, that tells me the problem is not in
the switch but in something else. I was wondering if anyone knows if this
type of setup had dual
fuel pumps or if there is something else I should check first. Please
excuse my ignorance on the subject.


Thanks

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:44:47 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: REAR LEAF SPRINGS

>>So I took the truck to a shop that makes leaf springs. They
"re-arched" the
>>existing stack of springs and added one very thick leaf to the stack.
They
>>claimed that this additional spring would add approximately 700lbs to
the
>>carrying capacity. the job was done and I am pleased, but....since
then one
>>of the retaining straps has popped loose. There are two straps on each
>>spring, one in front of the axle and one behind. I have noticed some
>>creaking noises from the spring with the broken strap, but haven't
noted any
>>other ill effects. If anyone out there has an opinion on this I would
>>appreciate hearing it. Should I repair the broken strap? How
important is
>>it?

The extra leaf is essentially a stock upgrade. It basically turns your
truck into a "Heavy Half" work special, like mine. On my factory leaf
packs, the leaves are pinned together in the rear and strapped in the
front (the extra leaf is too short to be strapped into the pack, and has
less curvature so it doesn't engage until the truck has some weight in
it). I don't know for sure if a broken strap is critical or not, but if
it was my truck I'd take it back to the spring shop (receipt in hand) and
ask them. If they are interested in your return and referral business
they will most likely replace the strap for free.

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'73 F100 FE in pieces
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:59:13 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Tailgate hardware question

Well I have an 89 150 and I had to do the same thing a couple of years a go,
after removing the panel (torx or allen can't remeber) on the inside of the
tailgate I found it to be pretty straight forward.

Eric
89 F150

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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 4:58 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tailgate hardware question

Hi all,

Any info on the following would be a big help.

I am getting a new tailgate from Ford for my '89 F-350. I will need
to put
the latch and all the hardware from my existing tailgate into it.

My ??? is, has anyone out there done this and if so, are there any
tricks or
tips?

TIA for anything and thanks again to Dave Heverin for previous info.

Dave Whipkey

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:46:51 -0500
From: SNER
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Tank

Christopher Worley wrote:
>
> I saw something like this posted a little while ago and wanted a little
> clarification on the problem. I have a '93 F150 Super Cab with dual fuel
> tanks, the problem I have is only the rear tank works, when I switch to the
> front tank the truck just sputters and dies out. I thought the problem was
> with the switch so I physically switched the postition on the switch where
> the tanks are eg. I put the rear tank on the "front" side of the switch and
> put the front tank on the "rear" side of the switch. Still had the same
> problem. I was wondering if anyone knows if this type of setup had dual
> fuel pumps or if there is something else I should check first. Please
> excuse my ignorance on the subject.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris Worley
> 1993 F150 Super Cab 351
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:36:53 -0400
From: Dave Heverin
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: REAR LEAF SPRINGS

Paul,

Thanks for the input. I understand the leaf arrangement you talk about.
This is not what I have now on my truck. I think there were originally 5
leaves in the stack on the stock setup. The new leaf was installed in the
number 4 position (no. 1 being closest to the axle, 5 furthest from the
axle).

So now I have three stock leaves, the new heavy leaf, followed by two more
stock leaves.

Dave




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From: Paul M Radecki [mailto:lordjanusz juno.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 12:45 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: REAR LEAF SPRINGS


>>So I took the truck to a shop that makes leaf springs. They
"re-arched" the
>>existing stack of springs and added one very thick leaf to the stack.
They
>>claimed that this additional spring would add approximately 700lbs to
the
>>carrying capacity. the job was done and I am pleased, but....since
then one
>>of the retaining straps has popped loose. There are two straps on each
>>spring, one in front of the axle and one behind. I have noticed some
>>creaking noises from the spring with the broken strap, but haven't
noted any
>>other ill effects. If anyone out there has an opinion on this I would
>>appreciate hearing it. Should I repair the broken strap? How
important is
>>it?

The extra leaf is essentially a stock upgrade. It basically turns your
truck into a "Heavy Half" work special, like mine. On my factory leaf
packs, the leaves are pinned together in the rear and strapped in the
front (the extra leaf is too short to be strapped into the pack, and has
less curvature so it doesn't engage until the truck has some weight in
it). I don't know for sure if a broken strap is critical or not, but if
it was my truck I'd take it back to the spring shop (receipt in hand) and
ask them. If they are interested in your return and referral business
they will most likely replace the strap for free.

lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150 300ci
'73 F100 FE in pieces
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:09:02 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: REAR LEAF SPRINGS

> I have noticed some creaking noises from the spring with
> the broken strap, but haven't noted any other ill effects.
> If anyone out there has an opinion on this I would appreciate
> hearing it. Should I repair the broken strap?

You dont absolutely NEED to, but I would advise it. I fixed
the same sort of problem on my '83 by getting some 3" spread
square U-bolts with plate from the hardware store. Easy fix,
and the holding clamps dont really have to be able to hold the
universe together ... just keep the spring leaves from sliding
around. Put some hevy duty grease between the spring leaves
and it will alleviate some squeaking.



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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:17:02 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Tailgate hardware question

> I am getting a new tailgate from Ford for my '89 F-350.
> I will need to put the latch and all the hardware from my
> existing tailgate into it.
>
> My ??? is, has anyone out there done this and if so, are
> there any tricks or tips?

Yeop. done it on my '83 F150. Its a pretty straightforward
job ... the release rod connectors unfasten at the handle, then
just unbolt the brackets at the outside edge of the tailgate, and
slide the whole assembly out. The handle itself attaches with
3 bolts which are found on the exterior surface of the bed-facing
side of the tailgate.

Go to the auto parts store and buy some extra clips (you will
find the originals installed on the ends of the release rods where
they attach to the handle), because invariably, one will break.

The bolts that hold the tailgate handle/latch hardware in my '83
are metric ... either 8mm or 10mm, or maybe some of both (its
been a while since I fixed it) ... I suspect that yours is metric too.



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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:47:15 -0400
From: Dave Heverin
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: REAR LEAF SPRINGS

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check the dimensions and go shopping for
the correct sized "u-bolts" tomorrow.

dave
Bel Air, MD




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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 4:09 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: REAR LEAF SPRINGS


> I have noticed some creaking noises from the spring with
> the broken strap, but haven't noted any other ill effects.
> If anyone out there has an opinion on this I would appreciate
> hearing it. Should I repair the broken strap?

You dont absolutely NEED to, but I would advise it. I fixed
the same sort of problem on my '83 by getting some 3" spread
square U-bolts with plate from the hardware store. Easy fix,
and the holding clamps dont really have to be able to hold the
universe together ... just keep the spring leaves from sliding
around. Put some hevy duty grease between the spring leaves
and it will alleviate some squeaking.



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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:22:09 -0400
From: "Little, Ned"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Gas Tank

Your truck has electric pumps in each tank that are piped to a pneumatic
type switch on the inside of the left ibeam under the middle of the truck.
You will find two lines from each tank and then from the switch forward
there are two more lines, one feeding a high pressure pump and the other a
return. The lines between the tanks and the switch are also supply and
return lines for each tank. The way the switch works is, when the pump in
the tank is switch on the pressure from it switches the pneumatic switch
over to that particular tank. You likely have one of two problem. 1.) The
front tank pump is bad. I had this happen recently and I replaced the pump
along with the sender with aftermarket parts. This led me to have problem
2.) The rear tank has had its pump replaced with an aftermarket pump. The
pump I replaced mine with, when switched away from, did not allow pressure
to bleed off. So, when I fixed my front tank, then the rear tank would no
longer work. When I tried to switch from the front to the rear tank, even
when full and even when I could hear the pump in the rear tank running, the
truck would run out of gas. So, what did I do. The only thing I could. I
replaced the other assembly with aftermarket parts and this is where my
problems really began. Once I had both replaced, when I tried to switch
tanks, neither would work because the switch was held in a middle position
that wouldn't pass fuel from either tank because both inlets were
pressurized. The only fixes were to crawl under the truck and bleed one of
the inlet lines to the switch or to wait several hours until the pressure
eventually bled off on its own. You wouldn't believe what I went through to
find all of this out. The parts I used were made by Carter/Federal-Mogul.
Do not use them. If you do try an aftermarket part, if you can find one,
there is an easy check to make to see if it has this problem. On the OEM
part you can blow air freely back through the outlet of the pump. Not so on
the Federal-Mogul part. I have contacted them about the problem numerous
times but they ignore me. So, for my part, don't buy Federal-Mogul parts.
Ha Ha.


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From: Christopher Worley [mailto:cworley76 hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 12:08 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas Tank


I saw something like this posted a little while ago and wanted a little
clarification on the problem. I have a '93 F150 Super Cab with dual fuel
tanks, the problem I have is only the rear tank works, when I switch to the
front tank the truck just sputters and dies out. I thought the problem was
with the switch so I physically switched the postition on the switch where
the tanks are eg. I put the rear tank on the "front" side of the switch and
put the front tank on the "rear" side of the switch. Still had the same
problem. I was wondering if anyone knows if this type of setup had dual
fuel pumps or if there is something else I should check first. Please
excuse my ignorance on the subject.


Thanks

Chris Worley
1993 F150 Super Cab 351


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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:46:08 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas tank switch

J.C Whitney as changeover switches for fuel tanks.

>My gas tank switch that changes tanks is not working, it only shows the
>fuel level when switched over. Someone in the past history of this truck
>routed the front fuel tank hose to the electric fuel pump.
>
>What I would like to know is in my opinion it would be easier to install an
>aftermarket change over switch for both tanks. Where would I find one of
>these (or precisely what do I look for)? Any other problems or solutions I
>should look at? Your advice is appreciated
>
>Thanks for the bandwidth
>
>Allen
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:33:11 -0500
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