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In this issue:

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FTE 80-96 - Re:
FTE 80-96 - Re:
FTE 80-96 - Re: 300 to 351 engine swap
FTE 80-96 - Re:
FTE 80-96 - New cat-back exhaust?
FTE 80-96 - Re:
FTE 80-96 - 88 question
Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 question
Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 question
Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 question
FTE 80-96 - Re:
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:
Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 question
FTE 80-96 - Re:
FTE 80-96 - Tires Tires Tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tires Tires Tires
FTE 80-96 - Buying advice
FTE 80-96 - A question and a subsequent RAVE !!!!!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - New cat-back exhaust?

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:22:12 -0500
From: Gary Spradley
Subject: [none]

Can anyone out there tell me if there was ever a five speed manual tranny
with fifth being an overdrive put in any 80 - 96 Ford 4X4 trucks?

I desperatly need another highway gear after going to 4.10 gears.


The truck currently has a New Process 435 but it's a four speed with three
usable gears. I understand there was a Warner T18 used as well but I don't know
how many gears it has.

I've also been told the ZF would work but not recommended to use due to
it's weak design and unreliability.

Thanks for any info.

Gary Spradley
84 F150 4X4

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:13:07 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:

I have an '87 F350 Super Duty 4X4 with 6.9L diesel. The transmission is a true 4
speed (no "granny" gear but a regular 1st) and 5th/overdrive. I have no idea what
the designation is nor if it could be used with any other engine. It seems like a
very nice transmission.

Mike

Gary Spradley wrote:

> Can anyone out there tell me if there was ever a five speed manual tranny
> with fifth being an overdrive put in any 80 - 96 Ford 4X4 trucks?
>
> I desperatly need another highway gear after going to 4.10 gears.
>
> The truck currently has a New Process 435 but it's a four speed with three
> usable gears. I understand there was a Warner T18 used as well but I don't know
> how many gears it has.
>
> I've also been told the ZF would work but not recommended to use due to
> it's weak design and unreliability.
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> Gary Spradley
> 84 F150 4X4
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:59:46 -0700
From: "Jamie"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:

I have a 1990 F250 4x4, it has a 5 speed with 5th being overdrive, not sure
what make it is though

Jamie Cain

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From: Gary Spradley
To:
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 6:22 AM


> Can anyone out there tell me if there was ever a five speed manual tranny
> with fifth being an overdrive put in any 80 - 96 Ford 4X4 trucks?
>
> I desperatly need another highway gear after going to 4.10 gears.
>
>
> The truck currently has a New Process 435 but it's a four speed with three
> usable gears. I understand there was a Warner T18 used as well but I
don't know
> how many gears it has.
>
> I've also been told the ZF would work but not recommended to use due to
> it's weak design and unreliability.
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> Gary Spradley
> 84 F150 4X4
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:55:25 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 300 to 351 engine swap

> I would like to now if any one has done this or knows of someone
> who has done this........
> I would appreciate a reply as I plan on doing most of the wrench turning
> myself and have alot of questions ????????

to swap from a 300 to 351, you will need:

== frame mounts for the engine for the 8 cyl. these mount
on the frame in a different location a little further back than
the ones for the I6 ... take out the old I6 mounts, though,
as the driver's side I6 mount is in the spot where the V8
oil filter sits.
== a radiator suitable for the V8. The I6 uses a different
and smaller radiator than the V8, and the input and output
hoses mount opposite (left to right).
== throttle cable assembly. At least on the carbureted versions,
this cable assembly and mounting hardware on the engine is
different between the I6 and V8. I dont know for sure on the
EFI versions, but I would suspect that they are.

The 300 I6 and 351W V8 have the same bell housing bolt
pattern, so that won't be an issue. With an automatic transmission,
you may need the kickdown lever (carbureted, you do, EFI, I
have no idea, but maybe)


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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:08:18 -0500
From: "wEbDoC"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:

BW T-18 is a tough tranny, but very similar to what you now have (4 sp with
3 usable gears). I've got one in my 84 F150 and had to drop the axle to
3.08 to get anywhere over 55 mph.
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From: Gary Spradley
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:29 AM


>Can anyone out there tell me if there was ever a five speed manual tranny
>with fifth being an overdrive put in any 80 - 96 Ford 4X4 trucks?
>
>I desperatly need another highway gear after going to 4.10 gears.
>
>
>The truck currently has a New Process 435 but it's a four speed with three
>usable gears. I understand there was a Warner T18 used as well but I don't
know
>how many gears it has.
>
>I've also been told the ZF would work but not recommended to use due to
>it's weak design and unreliability.
>
>Thanks for any info.
>
>Gary Spradley
>84 F150 4X4
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:23:26 -0700
From: "Hansen, Randal"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New cat-back exhaust?

I have a '95 F-250 XLT 4x4 7.5L. I love everything about it except the
sound (and obviosly. The stock exhaust seams to sound very restrictive. I
was looking at different mufflers and noticed Flowmaster had a "Big Block
(50 Series)" and a "Big Block II (70 Series)" muffler. I know it's 3" DIA
into the muffler and I'll probably switch to a single 3" out. Has anyone
tried these mufflers? What do people think of them, or do you have a better
suggestion.

Thanks,

Randy
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:41:18 -0400
From: "Phil / Debi"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:

> Can anyone out there tell me if there was ever a five speed manual tranny
> with fifth being an overdrive put in any 80 - 96 Ford 4X4 trucks?

my 91 F150 4x4 has a 5 speed, not sure of name of it though. I would have to
say that mine has been reliable, it has 175,000 miles and still going
strong.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
79 F250 4x4
91 F150 4x4
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:36:23 -0700
From: Doug Arnold
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 88 question

I have just purchased an 88 1-ton extended. It was set up for a camper with
three plugs at the back that I need to switch to trailer wiring. Is there any
kit I can buy? The plugs are too hard to get to to splice.
Doug

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:07:20 PDT
From: "Christopher Worley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 question

Yes there is probably an after market plug that will allow you to go from
the 3plug to a standard trailer setup, there is a company called "Hopkins
Manufacturing" that makes "no-splice" connectors and they might also have an
adapter. Wal-Mart sells these products (though not a wide variety) try them
first. Hopkins also makes a wire harness that will directly plug into the
brake light wire harness all you have to do is disconnect the harness at the
fitting and plug the new harness in between the two connectors.

Hope this helps

Chris
'93 F-150 Super Cab 351


>From: Doug Arnold
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - 88 question
>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:36:23 -0700
>
>I have just purchased an 88 1-ton extended. It was set up for a camper with
>three plugs at the back that I need to switch to trailer wiring. Is there
>any
>kit I can buy? The plugs are too hard to get to to splice.
>Doug
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:06:59 PDT
From: "Christopher Worley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 question

Yes there is probably an after market plug that will allow you to go from
the 3plug to a standard trailer setup, there is a company called "Hopkins
Manufacturing" that makes "no-splice" connectors and they might also have an
adapter. Wal-Mart sells these products (though not a wide variety) try them
first. Hopkins also makes a wire harness that will directly plug into the
brake light wire harness all you have to do is disconnect the harness at the
fitting and plug the new harness in between the two connectors.

Hope this helps

Chris
'93 F-150 Super Cab 351


>From: Doug Arnold
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - 88 question
>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:36:23 -0700
>
>I have just purchased an 88 1-ton extended. It was set up for a camper with
>three plugs at the back that I need to switch to trailer wiring. Is there
>any
>kit I can buy? The plugs are too hard to get to to splice.
>Doug
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:22:31 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 question

The adapters are available at most trailer rental places as well. U-Haul, Ryder,
the like.

Bob


Christopher Worley wrote:

> Yes there is probably an after market plug that will allow you to go from
> the 3plug to a standard trailer setup, there is a company called "Hopkins
> Manufacturing" that makes "no-splice" connectors and they might also have an
> adapter. Wal-Mart sells these products (though not a wide variety) try them
> first. Hopkins also makes a wire harness that will directly plug into the
> brake light wire harness all you have to do is disconnect the harness at the
> fitting and plug the new harness in between the two connectors.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Chris
> '93 F-150 Super Cab 351
>
> >From: Doug Arnold
> >Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> >To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> >Subject: FTE 80-96 - 88 question
> >Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:36:23 -0700
> >
> >I have just purchased an 88 1-ton extended. It was set up for a camper with
> >three plugs at the back that I need to switch to trailer wiring. Is there
> >any
> >kit I can buy? The plugs are too hard to get to to splice.
> >Doug
> >
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:13:09 EDT
From: Flare8392 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:

Ive got a 4-speed w/OD in my 92 f-150, its a mazda trans. Ive heard of them
being reliable. the only problems I've had with mine is the slave cylinder,
and its inside the bellhousing.
TJL
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:46:09 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:

The Mazda 5 speed OD is weak. Not sure about the ZF. Your NP 435 is much
tougher than either I believe. The best choice (but expensive) would be to
order a NV 4500 with adaptors from Advance Adaptor in California. They also
say Clark makes a tough one, but the fitting is in your hands.

I think if I were you, I would just get some big tires and keep your 4 speed.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:11:05 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 question

>I have just purchased an 88 1-ton extended. It was set up for a camper with
>three plugs at the back that I need to switch to trailer wiring. Is there
>any
>kit I can buy? The plugs are too hard to get to to splice.
>Doug
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3 separate plugs is a strange setup for a slide-in camper, or a gooseneck,
for that matter. I can't recall any OEM 3 plug installations from my days
working for an RV/marine dealer in South Florida. Sounds like your rig is
probably some solution to very specialized requirements (read that as
"home-made screwup").

IMHO, the 3 most common problems with trailer electrics are a bad ground
(80%), water (23%), and plug adapters (2%).

The metal-to-metal contact at the hitch is not a good ground. (Maybe someday
I'll share the story of 3 Eastern Airlines A/P mechanics, a U-Haul truck,
and a VW bug.) One would think the hitch, sway controls, and equalizer bars
would ensure a good ground, but it just ain't so. Run a ground wire, and
double check the continuity between truck and trailer frames with an ohm
meter. The meter MUST show a direct short. The ground wire should be large
enough to carry the load of all the other circuits through the trailer
COMBINED. With electric brakes, trailer battery charging, and lighting, I've
seen unfused ground wires literally melt because they were undersized for
the electrical load. (Electric brakes, 30 amp; battery charging, 80 amp;
exterior lighting, 12 amps, on my rig.) On my RV I don't use a ground
through the plug, but a 6 gauge battery cable fastened to the trailer with a
jack mount bolt and attached to the receiver on a 3/8 inch bolt welded to
the safety chain plate, no washers, double nutted. It's a hassle, but I was
going east on I-26 from Saluda, NC when the original ground wire burnt.
Fortunately I was almost to Tryon when the brakes on the 6500 pound trailer
went out because of the lost ground. Still, it was a scary ride.

Water can get into your lights many ways. Cheap trailer lights use only
round grommets to protect the wires from cutting, and the gaps around the
wires easily pass water splashing around at 60+ miles an hour. Even if the
water itself doesn't short, the humidity causes the sockets to corrode. A
dab of silicone where the wires exit the housing solves the problem. Also,
cheap clearance lights often leak like screen doors on a submarine.
Sometimes a narrow bead of silicone under the backing plate and on the edges
of the lens form good enough gaskets to keep the innards dry. Be sure to
allow the silicone to set completely before reassembling the lights or you
will need a hammer to replace the bulb next time it burns out. If
condensation becomes a problem from a perfect seal, heat a straight pin in a
lighter and melt a TINY hole in the bottom horizontal surface of the lens.

There are 6-wire to 4-wire trailer wiring adapters available
commercially--check your nearest RV dealer or Super WalMart. Your best bet
would be to forget adapting the plugs you have and splicing the correct mate
to your trailer plug directly to the wiring harness of the truck. Any time
you have a plug exposed to rain and dirt you have a potential problem.
Besides, it costs just as much or more to buy the adapter, or the parts to
make one, as it does to wire the truck correctly the first time.

Good luck
Ken

83 Bronco full size 2wd conersion, COMPLETED: 460 Performer, C6 Traveler,
flipped 9 inch 3.50 twingrip, American Racing Python 16x8, P275-50VR16 BFG
Comp T/A VR4; CURRENT PROJECT: custom dropped straight axle for Econoline
spindles/F150 disc brake conversion, to mount using 77 1/2-79 Bronco parts
(welded, machined, and waiting return from the powder-coat shop) NEXT
PROJECT: A/C installation (not OEM on this truck)
86 Mustang hatchback, TrickFlow 460, Edelbrock ProJection, 400 HP NOs
BigShot, Nash 5 speed, 3.55 9 inch Detroit Locker
86 Mustang convertible Performer 302, Streetfighter C4, 3.55 twingrip 8.8
93 Mustang convertible 2.3 *yawn*

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:31:24 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:

At 08:22 11/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Can anyone out there tell me if there was ever a five speed manual tranny
>with fifth being an overdrive put in any 80 - 96 Ford 4X4 trucks?

I would really appreciate it if people would put something in the subject
line of their posts. It helps sort incoming mail.

I thought that the server used to be setup to bounce messages without a
subject line.

Sorry if I sound grouchy; it's been a long day.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:21:39 PDT
From: "Michael Schumacher"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tires Tires Tires

Hey guys,

I have a 93 F-150 5.0 4x4, and I was wondering what size tires I could fit
in there without rubbing anywhere. Has anyone put some oversized on theirs?

Mike Schumacher

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:09:04 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tires Tires Tires

>Hey guys,
>
>I have a 93 F-150 5.0 4x4, and I was wondering what size tires I could fit
>in there without rubbing anywhere. Has anyone put some oversized on theirs?
>

I have 33 - 9.50R:15 on my 88. I would think they would fit your's too.


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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 01:11:09 -0400
From: flatthead juno.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Buying advice

I'm sorry if I'm boring everybody, but I need advice. I thinking of
buying a 92 F150
2 WD Long Bed with a 300 six, 5 speed trans, XLT trim, dual tanks, PS,
PB, AC, etc. 101000 miles. I've looked at all of the things you look at
when you buy a used truck (no paint work/wrecks, tires evenly worn, no
funny noises, doesn't smoke, drives well, no leaks, etc...). The owner
has all records for the last 4-5 years. These records show the oil
changed every 3000, brakes done (with Ford parts) and a bunch of other
stuff I can't remember.

My question is: what are there things I should look at that are weak
points specific to this model? Are the front ends prone to wearing?
How about the body? Is it known to rust? Is the fuel injection reliable?
Anything else I should check? I'm going to do a compression test in the
next few days. What kind of readings should I get? I'll try to do a
leak down test too, if I can borrow a leak down tester.



Thanks very much for you time

Jim Rollins
Simpsonville, SC








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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:25:42 -0700
From: "BIGDOG"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - A question and a subsequent RAVE !!!!!!!

Hi Folks,

First, an intro: My name is Dave and I joined the list about 2 weeks ago.
This place is great. I was a member in '98 prior to buying the wifes truck
(an F-150). I have a question for you all. I have an '89 F-350 HD with a
thrashed tailgate. I found an '85 tailgate in perfect condition for 125
bucks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hardware and all. I assume the '85 and '89 tailgates
are interchangeable. My truck is Wimbledon White and the gate is a Dark
Blue without XLT trim. I personally like the tailgates without trim better.
A trip to the paintshop is all it will take. I am so jazzed because a
perfect tailgate from a salvage yard in my area (Seattle) is $500 and up
!!!!! The guy who has it took it off his truck in '85 to put a camper on
and sold the truck 2 years ago.

TIA for any input and forgive me for being happier than a pig in sh t

Happy Trucking,
Dave

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:38:44 -0700
From: "BIGDOG"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New cat-back exhaust?

I got the Gibson cat back on my '89 460. It sound good and seems to have
added a touch of "snort" to it........................not much though.
IMHO, an exhaust change won't give you a bunch more power. It's just part
of a whole "plan". I have the Gibson, and a K&N. I plan on putting the
advance timing set eventually. All of these things together make a bigger
difference, but driving out of the exhaust guy's shop, there's not a great
increase in power. BTW, the Gibson sounds great..................throaty,
but not obscene.

my $.02

Dave




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