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80-96-list-digest Monday, October 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 285



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Thermostat
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhausting question!
FTE 80-96 - Re: Exhausting Question
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Trying to contact the following people
FTE 80-96 - engine swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - engine swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - engine swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - engine swap
FTE 80-96 - RE: F150Trans-engine life
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: F150Trans-engine life

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 06:27:08 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Thermostat

Thanks Jim,

I meant to say that the temp reading was higher than the old thermostat when
it was good. Come to think of it I moved East from California in 94 and
haven't changed the thermostat since I moved. I bet I had a 180 or lower in
there.
Guess what else happened, and this is not my imagination. The heater blows
harder now that the temperature of the coolant is higher. Before I changed
the thermostat you couldn't even hear the heater fan on high. Now it blows
me out of the truck. My 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee has an auto feature that
prohibits high fan speeds until the heater is at least warm enough to supply
hot air but I didn't think my '85 Ford was that sophisticated.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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From: Jim Cannon
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Thermostat


>At 16:13 09/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>The other morning it was about 35 degrees here and on the way to work I
>>noticed that the heater didn't get very hot. Luke warm air only. A check
of
>>the temperature gauge confirmed my suspicions. The engine wasn't very hot.
I
>>suspected the thermostat and decided it was probably time to change it
>>anyway. $5 isn't much to spend to hang a part anyway.
>>Today I changed the thermostat and sure enough the temperature gauge reads
>>higher. Notice, I said higher.
>
>Did you happen to see what temp the old thermostat was? It might have been
>a 180 deg. thermo; the newer, hotter one would read higher on the guage. I
>would not worry about it.
>
>>I have seen several posts, and been involved in several discussions about
>>temperature gauges in F-150's. Particularly my vintage (1985). I don't
want
>>to open that discussion again but I'll risk it.
>>
>>1. The gauge reads higher than it ever has. The parts store said the spec
>>for my thermostat was 195 degrees so that's what I installed. I seem to
>>recall someone recommending a lower temp thermostat. If so, why?
>
>In your cooler climate, I would go ahead with the 195 thermo. I do not put
>them in 1985 model trucks down here in Texas because it is too hot in the
>summer for them if you run A/C, especially with anything other than a
>really new, clean radiator. You don't really need it that hot down here,
>but up in Penn. you will like the heat that comes out of the heater with
>the 195.
>
>>2. Maybe it's just my imagination but the truck seems to run a lot better
>>now. I know that disconnecting the coolant temp sensor increases the idle.
>>Why? Anyone know the exact relationship between the coolant temperature
and
>>the idle? Is there simply a trip point or does the idle (performance) have
>>some direct relationship to coolant temp all the time?
>
>It might NOT be your imagination. If your old thermostat was begining to
>fail open, the truck might not have been fully warming up and not running
>as well as it could. Now it is warming up properly and running better.
>
>I don't know enough about your 1985 computer to answer the idle speed and
>coolant temp question. I suspect there is a trip point below which it idles
>fast (because engine is cold) and above that temp it goes back down to
>normal idle. It is harder (more complicated) to have it be a continuously
>variable change, based on temp, and Detroit tends to keep things as simple
>as they can. Someone else should comment, if they know for sure.
>
>
>Jim Cannon
>Houston, TX
>'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
>'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:07:20 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhausting question!

At 21:12 09/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Now it's getting to be time to do the exhaust. As I'm really poor at the
>moment, the dual 2 1/2" stuff will have to wait--I have to get the truck on
>the road.
>
>I've gone to two exhaust shops here in town to ask about buying a stock
>'87-up header pipe (or pipes--the later manifolds are duals). Neither of
>them could (or would) help me out. One of them told me he'd be happy to put
>together a custom system, but since the manifolds came off a later truck,
>I'd have to put cats on too! (Yeah, right!). The other just shrugged and
>said he'd make a custom setup for me. In both cases, the prices WEREN'T
>right! I just can't afford it, yet. I asked each of them about buying just
>the stock setup, and neither was interested in getting one for me.
>
>Anyone have any ideas where i can buy a stock head pipe setup for an FI 300?
>(I'll take care of mating it to the original exhaust. Or even where I can
>buy the flanges to make my own? No joy on local boneyards (and they're
>getting pretty weird about selling exhaust part anyway--guess Big Brother's
>at it again).

Bill-

I have gotten some of the same runaround lately from junk yards while
looking for exhaust parts for a friends truck. Keep looking, you will find
what you need. Most of the yards do not mees with exhaust stuff (one of the
counter guys told me yesterday) because no one wants to pay anything for
it, tey tend to be rusted out and the customer is not happy, and it's just
not worth it to them. There is no EPA regulation that prevents them from
dealing in exhaust pipes.

I'd say keep at it. Have you talked to the folks at Clifford's? More $$$, I
know, but see what they have.

Gook luck.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:52:33 EDT
From: Awfanning aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Exhausting Question

One thing to consider in making plans for a free-flowing exhaust for an
inline 6 is how much is too much. I believe that Clifford Performance, the
inline engine specialists, have some recommendations on exhaust pipe diameter
etc. that are much smaller than your preferred dual 2-1/2" design.
Unfortunately I can't find my catalog at the moment but you might check their
web site at .

Alan Fanning
San Jose
'91 Taurus SHO, '89 Mercury Sable, '82 F-150 w/4.9l engine
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:03:40 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Trying to contact the following people

Hi gang,

Many of you may remember when author Judy Scott was
looking for people willing to write up stories of
their Ford truck memories. I just received an email
from her requesting a favor. Following is the request....
- -Ken Payne

ToughTales author, Judy Scott, needs to hear from the following contributors but does not have current email addresses for them. If you see your name on this list, please respond to jscott bancom.net:
.RIch Yeoman
.Martin Clarke
.Karel Cromback
.Tom Lopez
.Christine Oxford
. Dr. Rico

Thanks,

Judy Scott

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:17:25 -0700
From: "Tony & Chris Phaneuf"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - engine swap

I have a 1990 f-150 4wd with a 300 fuel injected with a E4od auto trans
which has over 150,000 miles. The engine still runs great but I would like
to swap it out for a 351W V8, perferrably staying with fuel injection. Now
the tranny has alot of problems and I need to have it repaired or replaced,
would like to do this all at the same. I would like to now if any one has
done this or knows of someone who has done this........
I would appreciate a reply as I plan on doing most of the wrench turning
myself and have alot of questions ????????

Ford Lover


Tony P.

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:53:59 -0400
From: "Phil / Debi"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - engine swap

> I have a 1990 f-150 4wd with a 300 fuel injected with a E4od auto trans
> which has over 150,000 miles. The engine still runs great but I would like
> to swap it out for a 351W V8, perferrably staying with fuel injection.
Now
> the tranny has alot of problems and I need to have it repaired or
replaced,
> would like to do this all at the same. I would like to now if any one has
> done this or knows of someone who has done this........
> I would appreciate a reply as I plan on doing most of the wrench turning
> myself and have alot of questions ????????
>
I plan on doing the same swap in my 91 F150 4x4. It has 300 six with 5 speed
and over 175,000 and still running good, only reason I havent done it yet.
The easiest way I can see to do it is to find the same year truck with the
engine and trans you want and remove it as a complete unit with all sensors,
wiring harness and computer. Drop them in and just hook up same way it came
out. It should also be emission legal since it is the same year. hope this
helps.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
79 F250 4x4
91 F150 4x4
www.geocities.com/imstobu

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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:36:09 -0700
From: "Tony & Chris Phaneuf"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - engine swap

Phil ,
Thanks for the reply. I have thought about doing the swap the way you plan
on doing it, but have not been able to find a junker to do the swap out of
yet........... will let you know what I do.

Tony P.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Phil / Debi
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - engine swap


>
>
>> I have a 1990 f-150 4wd with a 300 fuel injected with a E4od auto trans
>> which has over 150,000 miles. The engine still runs great but I would
like
>> to swap it out for a 351W V8, perferrably staying with fuel injection.
>Now
>> the tranny has alot of problems and I need to have it repaired or
>replaced,
>> would like to do this all at the same. I would like to now if any one has
>> done this or knows of someone who has done this........
>> I would appreciate a reply as I plan on doing most of the wrench turning
>> myself and have alot of questions ????????
>>
>I plan on doing the same swap in my 91 F150 4x4. It has 300 six with 5
speed
>and over 175,000 and still running good, only reason I havent done it yet.
>The easiest way I can see to do it is to find the same year truck with the
>engine and trans you want and remove it as a complete unit with all
sensors,
>wiring harness and computer. Drop them in and just hook up same way it came
>out. It should also be emission legal since it is the same year. hope this
>helps.
>
>Phil Beattie
>66 F100
>79 F250 4x4
>91 F150 4x4
>www.geocities.com/imstobu
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:09:35 -0400
From: "slik"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - engine swap

I swapped my 300 I6 for a 351W in my '82 F150. Took a lot of planning; like
trying to piece together a jigsaw puzzle. My biggest problem was the front
end accessories. You either need a donor engine, crate motor, or piece part
it (that's what I did, and I think it was the most expensive route; looks
nice though). If you go with a long or short block; be prepared to scrounge
a lot of parts. However, it also gives you a lot of flexibility on how to
build your engine. I would not trust putting a used engine from a junkyard
in unless they have overhauled it and warranty the engine for 1-3 years.

You will need a new radiator, new engine mounts, new flex plate, new
harmonic balancer. Instead of rebuilding your tranny, why not purchase one
from TCI or B&M. They rebuild them a little beefier with some performance
improvements.

Slik

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Tony & Chris Phaneuf
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 4:17 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - engine swap


> I have a 1990 f-150 4wd with a 300 fuel injected with a E4od auto trans
> which has over 150,000 miles. The engine still runs great but I would like
> to swap it out for a 351W V8, perferrably staying with fuel injection.
Now
> the tranny has alot of problems and I need to have it repaired or
replaced,
> would like to do this all at the same. I would like to now if any one has
> done this or knows of someone who has done this........
> I would appreciate a reply as I plan on doing most of the wrench turning
> myself and have alot of questions ????????
>
> Ford Lover
>
>
> Tony P.
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:14:14 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: F150Trans-engine life

Rich wrote:

>Hello list, I am buying a 96 f150 with auto trans. Which auto
>trans/transfer case is in this truck? I didn't grab the info of the door
>jamb yet. It has a 302, what is the longevity of this engine?
>Thanks,
>Rich

My F-150 is a '92 with the dreaded E4OD, which is acting weird again after
a rebuild about 20k ago.
To the best of my knowledge, Ford did something about the E4OD about
94-95.....
As far as engine, my 302 is still alive and kickin' at 196k. I have no use
for 4wd so I've never had one!

Dave H.
Houston TX
AIM nick: BlasterC4

If you say Howdy, How Y'all, or Over Yonder often, you might be a Redneck.
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:06:47 PDT
From: "Christopher Worley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: F150Trans-engine life

I have a '93 F-150 with a 351 but I have the same E4OD tranny as the 302, I
currently have 120,000 and some change and my transmission is still running
good with no problems.

Chris
Waxahachie, TX


>From: "Dave Harmier"
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To:
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: F150Trans-engine life
>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:14:14 -0500
>
>Rich wrote:
>
> >Hello list, I am buying a 96 f150 with auto trans. Which auto
> >trans/transfer case is in this truck? I didn't grab the info of the door
> >jamb yet. It has a 302, what is the longevity of this engine?
> >Thanks,
> >Rich
>
>My F-150 is a '92 with the dreaded E4OD, which is acting weird again after
>a rebuild about 20k ago.
>To the best of my knowledge, Ford did something about the E4OD about
>94-95.....
>As far as engine, my 302 is still alive and kickin' at 196k. I have no use
>for 4wd so I've never had one!....


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