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80-96-list-digest Monday, October 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 278



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Stumbling engine on hills
FTE 80-96 - Re: New Topic - Headlight problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - Inop Fuel gauges
Re: FTE 80-96 - Inop Fuel gauges
Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
FTE 80-96 - '83 F250 starting problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - '83 F250 starting problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - '83 F250 starting problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - '83 F250 starting problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
FTE 80-96 - How to search archives?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F150 Fuel Guage Problem
RE: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F150 Fuel Guage Problem
FTE 80-96 - Tach. Hook-up?
Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Stumbling engine on hills
FTE 80-96 - Re: 1986 F-150 Independent to Straight Axle?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Stumbling engine on hills

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Date: 3 Oct 1999 06:19:55 -0700
From: "Paul Laughlin"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Stumbling engine on hills

Paul M Radecki wrote:
> Speculation: fuel pressure regulator? Maybe injectors, but
> wouldn't a clog inhibit power all the time? Maybe clogged muffler or
> cats, but same objection holds. Does anyone know of a way (short of
> buying a remote-mount fuel pressure gauge $$$) to check the fuel pressure
> at the rail while the truck is being driven?


You have probably already been there, but; fuel filter?
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Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 07:30:03 -0700
From: Ken Justice
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: New Topic - Headlight problems

Hello,

The headlights on my '96 F150 have recently started to not turn on when
I pull out the knob on the switch. But if I move the directional lever
or flash the brights, they will turn on. On the other hand, if I push
the directional lever down for the brights, the lights go out (parking
lights stay on).

Has anyone experienced this? I'm wondering if I just need to replace the
light switch or if there is a component in the steering column that
needs replacing? Or both?

If anyone has an idea, please let me know. Thanks!

Ken Justice
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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:04:48 -0500
From: "Stephen W.Hansen"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Inop Fuel gauges

Yea, I'd been thinking of replacing the switch for a year now... but it
worked ok, so..... Dad's 90 had problems with dead batteries, he found that
the actual switch (not the lock) was causing his rear fuel pump to stay
running. He replaced it and all is good now, that's why I was suspecting the
switch.
Yesterday, while driving home the fuel gauges starting moving up to full
again. Either
1) I have a self healing truck
2) I'll never have to buy gas again
3) more things to think about
This doesn't go along with the suggestions you sent, and the hardest thing
to fix is something that isn't broken. (12 years of working on aircraft)
Any other suggestions/ideas?

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Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:57:04 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Inop Fuel gauges

At 11:04 03/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Yea, I'd been thinking of replacing the switch for a year now... but it
>worked ok, so..... Dad's 90 had problems with dead batteries, he found that
>the actual switch (not the lock) was causing his rear fuel pump to stay
>running. He replaced it and all is good now, that's why I was suspecting the
>switch.
>Yesterday, while driving home the fuel gauges starting moving up to full
>again. Either
>1) I have a self healing truck
>2) I'll never have to buy gas again
>3) more things to think about
>This doesn't go along with the suggestions you sent, and the hardest thing
>to fix is something that isn't broken. (12 years of working on aircraft)
>Any other suggestions/ideas?

Yea, when things won't stay broke, it's hard to fix them. I'd say check for
a loose connection at the back of the fuel selector switch in the dash.

I can't think of anything else right now.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:31:48 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!

Ed,
Does your truck have Massair? If the Massair sensor is clogged or gone bad it
will cause this symptom.

Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:28:42 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!

He's got an '86...

Bob


FLR150 aol.com wrote:

> Ed,
> Does your truck have Massair? If the Massair sensor is clogged or gone bad it
> will cause this symptom.
>
> Later
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside SC
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Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 18:03:51 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '83 F250 starting problems

I have an '83 F25 with the big straight 6, and it has always served me
well. Just recently, I have had two problems which I don't think are
related.

1) The right headlight blinks on and off on the low beam, on the high
beam it is OK. The socket on the back of the lamp is very loose, so I
think I will just replace the socket and see what happens.

2) Much more vexing is the fact that sometimes it starts, and sometimes
it won't. When it runs, it runs fine. But other times, the starter turns
the engine over, but it won't fire. When I pull the air cleaner, there
is no fuel in the carburetor, so my first guess is the fuel pump (this
truck has only one tank). But I never heard of a fuel pump being
intermittent - they usually either work or they don't. The truck is
stranded at a local service station, and the mechanic has given up on
it. I tried to start it this afternoon, but no luck. So I am going to
have it towed back here and see what I can find out.

Any suggestions?

Mike


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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:21:18 -0500
From: "Edward Saunders"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!

How do you tell if it has Massair?
Thanks,

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To:
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Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!


>
> Ed,
> Does your truck have Massair? If the Massair sensor is clogged or gone bad
it
> will cause this symptom.
>
> Later
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside SC
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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:47:18 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!

There will be an extra sensor between the throttle body and the air filter.
Unless you have some serious custom work done you probably do NOT have
mass-air on an '86. It was only found on '95+ Ford truck engines.

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje mindspring.com
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From: Edward Saunders
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, October 03, 1999 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!


> How do you tell if it has Massair?
>Thanks,
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 3:31 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
>
>
>>
>> Ed,
>> Does your truck have Massair? If the Massair sensor is clogged or gone
bad
>it
>> will cause this symptom.
>>
>> Later
>> Wayne Foy
>> '94 Flareside SC
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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:37:22 EDT
From: RQTHOMSON aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '83 F250 starting problems

Change the pump. I had the same problem with my 83, it would run fine, but if
I left it off for only a few minutes & restarted it, it would run the fuel
out of the carb & then die. After trying several other things I finally
changed the pump & it's been running fine since.
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Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 15:40:17 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '83 F250 starting problems

'83 has a carb, doesn't it? If so, pull the fuel line from the carb, stick
it in a container, and crank the engine over 1 or 2 revolutions. If anything
comes out, it isn't the pump.

My thinking is that maybe your float/valve assembly is not moving freely.
Sometimes it sticks up, sometimes it sticks down. I've seen this before in
motorcycles that were allowed to sit all winter with fuel in the bowls.

Recently, a bud brought over a truck he had just installed a nearly new
Performer carb on. No fuel was going into the carb, though he had fuel too
the carb. The carb had been used to make 4-5 runs on the strip, then set on
a shelf for 2 years. Since he has both hands in casts, he wanted me to
install another carb for him. He told me to toss the old one.

I pulled the cover off the carb and shot carb cleaner through all the jets
and passages, then blew everything out with compressed air. I reassembled
the carb, bolted on my truck, and it runs fine.

Net, it doesn't take much to stop fuel flow at a float valve. A little piece
of trash can close it off.

Good luck.

Ken
83 Bronco, in pieces (300, 5 spd, F150 2wd and A/C going in)
86 Mustang ragtop in pieces (Performer 302 going in, 3.8 coming out)
86 Mustang hatchback (460 Trick Flow, Nash 5 spd, 487 hp)
93 Mustang ragtop, 2.3, YAAAAAAWN

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Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 17:38:05 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '83 F250 starting problems

At 18:03 03/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>2) Much more vexing is the fact that sometimes it starts, and sometimes
>it won't. When it runs, it runs fine. But other times, the starter turns
>the engine over, but it won't fire. When I pull the air cleaner, there
>is no fuel in the carburetor, so my first guess is the fuel pump (this
>truck has only one tank). But I never heard of a fuel pump being
>intermittent - they usually either work or they don't. The truck is
>stranded at a local service station, and the mechanic has given up on
>it. I tried to start it this afternoon, but no luck. So I am going to
>have it towed back here and see what I can find out.

When was the last time the carb was rebuilt, that you know of? Sounds like
a sticking needle valve to me, on the float. Try going to the inlet of the
carb and tapping it with the handle of a screwdriver to unstick it, then
crank to start. Remember it will need to crank some to put fuel back up
into carb. (I had my 1980 do this to me one night.) If that's the problem,
get a rebuild kit and put the new neede valve and seat in. (You don't nee
to fully rebuild the carb, if it is running well; just put in the few parts
you need now and save the rest.)

Mechanical fuel pumps are pretty cheap. If you are still running the
original, I'd replace it anyway (or risk getting stranded somewhere when it
fails). That could be your problem.

Any chance of vapor lock? That and a weak fuel pump could do you in. Might
need to shield the fuel line coming up the frame rail from cat converter or
exhaust pipe.

Did the mechanic who "has given up on it" check the fuel pump pressure?
This is petty basic stuff.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 17:45:43 -0500
From: "Edward Saunders"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!

Ok, thanks. I don't have any major custom work done. It turned out to
be the Fuel Pressure Regulator. Way to go Bob, you hit the nail right on
the head. I still have the problem I had before but at least it runs.
Thanks again everyone (especially Bob)
Ed Saunders
86 F-150 302


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Radoje Spasojevic
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!


>
> There will be an extra sensor between the throttle body and the air
filter.
> Unless you have some serious custom work done you probably do NOT have
> mass-air on an '86. It was only found on '95+ Ford truck engines.
>
> Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje mindspring.com
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /~2big/
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=194
> -Rubicon Tested-
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edward Saunders
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Sunday, October 03, 1999 3:20 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
>
>
> > How do you tell if it has Massair?
> >Thanks,
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From:
> >To:
> >Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 3:31 PM
> >Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Ed,
> >> Does your truck have Massair? If the Massair sensor is clogged or gone
> bad
> >it
> >> will cause this symptom.
> >>
> >> Later
> >> Wayne Foy
> >> '94 Flareside SC
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Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 16:35:44 -0700
From: Scot Bohnenstiehl
Subject: FTE 80-96 - How to search archives?

How do you search the previous digests? I remember there used
to be a archive button you could click on the web page and that would
take you to a search page. The only thing there is now is a search page
for searching what's on the website. Specifically, I'm looking for all
information I can find on the Borg-Warner T-18 transmission that was
offered in Ford trucks from 80-96. What I ultimately plan to do is rip
out my E4OD (I've had bad luck) and put in a T-18. I know that sounds
like a lot of work and it is but I got lots of time. The only problem
is I can't locate a T-18 anywhere, remanufactured or not. Until then
I'm trying to learn as much as I can about the T-18 and transmissions in
general, and I've already learned a lot.

Scot

'93 F-150 300 I-6
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Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 18:51:31 -0700
From: "Pat Mack"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F150 Fuel Guage Problem

Thanks Jim,
Stock rear end, and wheels. One other tidbit I have the optional rear tank,
and both tanks read incorrectly on the gauge. That should rule out the
sender(s). Any idea how I would check the gauge????

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NPS Monterey,CA


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>From: Jim Cannon
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F150 Fuel Guage Problem
>Date: Sat, Oct 2, 1999, 6:11 PM
>

> At 08:30 02/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>My 1985 F150(SWB) 2WD fuel gauge reads empty when there is approx. 10
>>gallons of fuel remaining,
>
> Bad sender in the tank, if your other guages seem to be indicating fairly
> accurately (for Ford guages).
>
>>and I believe my speedometer is off by 5 mph.
>
> Not related to fuel guage. Is odometer also off by about 10%? If you have
> oversize tires, that is the reason. You need to recalibrate speedo, or just
> adjust your speed to compensate.
>
>>Anyone else have these problem or know how to fix them. Thanks
>
> Everyone with a Ford truck will have some form of the first problem at one
> time or another. The second problem is not really a problem, just a
> consequence of something you did.
>
>
> Jim Cannon
> Houston, TX
> '29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
> '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 22:04:59 -0400
From: "Little, Ned"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F150 Fuel Guage Problem

You can rest assured that the most likely problem is both senders are bad.
Ford Truck products of this vintage are notorious for the bad gas tank
senders. I had to replace both in my tanks.

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From: Pat Mack [mailto:patmack2 earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 9:52 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F150 Fuel Guage Problem


Thanks Jim,
Stock rear end, and wheels. One other tidbit I have the optional rear tank,
and both tanks read incorrectly on the gauge. That should rule out the
sender(s). Any idea how I would check the gauge????

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NPS Monterey,CA


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>From: Jim Cannon
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F150 Fuel Guage Problem
>Date: Sat, Oct 2, 1999, 6:11 PM
>

> At 08:30 02/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>My 1985 F150(SWB) 2WD fuel gauge reads empty when there is approx. 10
>>gallons of fuel remaining,
>
> Bad sender in the tank, if your other guages seem to be indicating fairly
> accurately (for Ford guages).
>
>>and I believe my speedometer is off by 5 mph.
>
> Not related to fuel guage. Is odometer also off by about 10%? If you have
> oversize tires, that is the reason. You need to recalibrate speedo, or
just
> adjust your speed to compensate.
>
>>Anyone else have these problem or know how to fix them. Thanks
>
> Everyone with a Ford truck will have some form of the first problem at one
> time or another. The second problem is not really a problem, just a
> consequence of something you did.
>
>
> Jim Cannon
> Houston, TX
> '29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
> '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:47:10 EDT
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tach. Hook-up?

hey guys, I just got a tach. off of a friends car, and it worked in his, so,
i just disconected the wires. Well now that I am trying to stick it in my
truck, I think it would have been smarter to label!!!!
I need to know, where the wires hook-up:

Here is what I know (or atleast think I do)
GREEN: Tach. Side of Coil
BLACK: Ground
BLUE: Headlight Switch

I have these wires left, can anybody help[ me!!!
Red, Yellow, and White

THANX
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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:15:47 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!

>There will be an extra sensor between the throttle body and the air filter.
>Unless you have some serious custom work done you probably do NOT have
>mass-air on an '86. It was only found on '95+ Ford truck engines.
>

I think the earlier ones sold in California had it.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:12:50 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Stumbling engine on hills

>Paul M Radecki wrote:
>> Speculation: fuel pressure regulator? Maybe injectors, but
>> wouldn't a clog inhibit power all the time? Maybe clogged muffler or
>> cats, but same objection holds. Does anyone know of a way (short of
>> buying a remote-mount fuel pressure gauge $$$) to check the fuel pressure
>> at the rail while the truck is being driven?
>
>
>You have probably already been there, but; fuel filter?

It was replaced about a year ago, but I know it could need it again. I
doubt if that is it as it is not consistantly bad.

Tonight the problem has turned into a continous miss pulling up the 5 miles
of hill from work. Then I stopped at a stoplight and it ran perfect after
that.

Very unusual.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:49:49 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 1986 F-150 Independent to Straight Axle?

> Has anyone ever tried to convert from the independent coil
> type suspension on 80's fords to the straight axle leaf spring type?

The 80-86 F250 and F350 4x4 had this type of arrangement.
Since Ford used the same frame and body for all F-series light
trucks, I would guess that it is as simple as replacing the front
end suspension and steering parts (heh ... assuming you are
REALLY strong, and/or have a lot of strong friends). Ford
*may* have used hordes of those obnoxious rivets as fasteners,
so it may take some additional tools and a few hands full of
grade 8 bolts, washers, lockwashers, and nuts in addition to
the parts you are swapping.....

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