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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: Seat Lift Kit
FTE 80-96 - Re: towing capacities
FTE 80-96 - 1985 F150 Fuel Guage Problem
FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96- 1986 F-150 Independent to Straight Axle?
Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96- 1986 F-150 Independent to Straight Axle?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F150 Fuel Guage Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Inop Fuel gauges
FTE 80-96 - Stumbling engine on hills
FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Stumbling engine on hills
Re: FTE 80-96 - Serpentine belt

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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 07:56:38 EDT
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Seat Lift Kit

I installed a kit by Calmar
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.calmarindustries.com/seatlift.html)
In my 93F250SC 118,000 miles ago. Constantly up n down with it since new, and
zero problems. Back seat more comfortable with kit, and I love being able to
hide things under it when flat. The only modification I did to it was to
round off the seatbelt bracksets so as to not interfere with the seat bottom
as much when folding. I havent yet contacted them regarding one for my new SD
yet, but its on the list!

Scott

93 F250 SC 351 5spd
92 Bronco 351
99 F250SD SC PSD 6spd
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:04:02 EDT
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: towing capacities

Need to find someone with 89 specs. here. Besides the obvious bumper
capacity, theres also the ball capacity. Yup, light duty / HD trailer balls
too (3/4 or 1" shanks). Automatics generally rated for more capacity than
sticks in prior years, but what does Ford know anyway.... Axle ratio, engine
size, does it have trailer towing, HD brakes, all a part of it.....


Scott

93 F250 SC 351 5spd
92 Bronco 351
99 F250SD SC PSD 6spd
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Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 08:30:03 -0700
From: "Pat Mack"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F150 Fuel Guage Problem

My 1985 F150(SWB) 2WD fuel gauge reads empty when there is approx. 10
gallons of fuel remaining, and I believe my speedometer is off by 5 mph.
Anyone else have these problem or know how to fix them. Thanks

- --
LT Patrick V Mack
NPS Monterey,CA
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:29:47 EDT
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96- 1986 F-150 Independent to Straight Axle?

Has anyone ever tried to convert from the independent coil type suspension on
80's fords to the straight axle leaf spring type?

Bart
1986 f-150
302 MPFI
4x4
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:44:07 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96- 1986 F-150 Independent to Straight Axle?

>Has anyone ever tried to convert from the independent coil type suspension on
>80's fords to the straight axle leaf spring type?
>

It would be much easier and better to convert to the coil spring straight
axle system. They have all the advantages of a straight axle and still ride
nice.

Heck, Dodge went with it on all their trucks.

Blake
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Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:11:15 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F150 Fuel Guage Problem

At 08:30 02/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>My 1985 F150(SWB) 2WD fuel gauge reads empty when there is approx. 10
>gallons of fuel remaining,

Bad sender in the tank, if your other guages seem to be indicating fairly
accurately (for Ford guages).

>and I believe my speedometer is off by 5 mph.

Not related to fuel guage. Is odometer also off by about 10%? If you have
oversize tires, that is the reason. You need to recalibrate speedo, or just
adjust your speed to compensate.

>Anyone else have these problem or know how to fix them. Thanks

Everyone with a Ford truck will have some form of the first problem at one
time or another. The second problem is not really a problem, just a
consequence of something you did.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:01:49 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Inop Fuel gauges

At 00:40 02/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, my 92 F250 truck is over 100,000 and now the bugs appear!!
>On the last 200 miles of a 3000 mile trip my fuel gauge dropped to "E" A
>cursory inspection didn't find any blown fuses, and it is affecting both
>tanks... the front sender is only 5 months old. I haven't had a chance to
>troubleshoot it yet, but the ignition switch is worn, so I'll replace it in
>hopes that it is the problem. Anyone else ran into this and can save me some
>troubleshooting time?

Steve-
I do not think you will find that it is the ingition switch causing this,
but go ahead and replace it if you think it is worn and going to give you
problems. None of your ignition wires actually go up near the lock
cylinder... They are all down on the column. Only a rod passes down from
cylinder to switch, activating the switch.

OK, fuel guages... I assume all of your other guages work OK. (If not, the
Instrument Voltage Regulator -- IVR -- is probably bad.)

Sounds like your guage indicator has burned out. It has a heating element
in it that can just burn out. Once you pull the instrument panel out of the
dash, you can test the guage with a test light or ohm meter.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:58:20 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Stumbling engine on hills

Blake posted:

>>Well I am back with a recurring problem on my 302 that is recurring
more
>>often now. This is my 88 F-150 with 5 speed...
>>
>>99% of the time this engine runs perfect and strong with lots of torque
and
>>will pull right up hills with no problem, but every so often, while
under a
>>good pull at around 2200 rpm in overdrive, she will start to stumble a
>>little and lose power. Downshifting to 4th helps, but the stumble still
>>goes on for a little bit and then she smooths back out and is fine. I
don't
>>think it is a definate miss on one cylinder and I don't think it is
wires
>>(new) or plugs. To me it acts like it is leaning out and not getting
enough
>>fuel. I had the idea of perhaps a weak injector - i have run injector
>>cleaner, including the recommended Techron, but it does not seem to
help
>>this. Could it be low fuel pressure? Please, I need some ideas on this
one.

I am having a similar problem with my '94 F150 (300ci, 5 speed). I
can't tell you what the trouble is, but maybe I can help with what it is
not. My problem appears to be similar, but more advanced: starts
perfect, idles perfect, cruises perfect in every gear and at any RPM.
Sometimes (often, but by no means always) when I ask it for power (even
for normal, unloaded, flat ground acceleration) I will get the same
stumble you described. It occurs in every gear, and at different RPMs.
Being wet seems to make it worse, but being dry does not make it go away.
This problem has persisted for over a year, very slowly getting
worse. I have replaced: plugs, wires, cap 'n rotor, coil, fuel filter.
I have dual tanks and therefore dual pumps, and it occurs equally on
either tank. It does feel like a "bad gas" stumble, but I've run
hundreds of gallons of gas through it from many different sources and the
problem has only gotten worse. I have tested the power supply to the
fuel pumps with a voltmeter attached at the cutoff switch, and it never
wavered. Likewise the power supply to the coil. I have also tested the
TPS, and it seems normal. Ditto the EGR valve.
Speculation: fuel pressure regulator? Maybe injectors, but
wouldn't a clog inhibit power all the time? Maybe clogged muffler or
cats, but same objection holds. Does anyone know of a way (short of
buying a remote-mount fuel pressure gauge $$$) to check the fuel pressure
at the rail while the truck is being driven?

lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150 300ci
'73 F100 FE in pieces

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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:05:32 -0500
From: "Edward Saunders"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!

I'm having major problems with my truck. I can't get it to idle and when
it's running it runs REAL rich. I'm using about 1/4 of a tank of gas in
about 30 miles. A friend told me to change the O2 sensor, and I did. No
luck. I also have changed the TPS, and the MAP sensor. It has a new
distributer, cap, rotor, plugs, wires, fuel filter, and a fuel pump relay.
I'm really lost here, and don't have a clue whats going on. It has been
running kind of rough for a while. It would miss under hard acceleration,
and would idle irraticly. But today is when the straw broke. Any info is
welcome, thanks.

Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302

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Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:50:18 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!

How about the fuel pressure regulator. It sits on the fuel rail back behind
the breather on the driver's side. If the regulator goes out, you'll be
overloading the injectors, big time. It will cause the problems you are
having. Mine ran about 40 bucks.

Have you run the codes yet? That's how I found mine. It wouldn't generate any
codes when the regulator went out. I was sucking fuel through the vacuum line
that was supposed to regulate the pressure.

Good luck.

Bob


Edward Saunders wrote:

> I'm having major problems with my truck. I can't get it to idle and when
> it's running it runs REAL rich. I'm using about 1/4 of a tank of gas in
> about 30 miles. A friend told me to change the O2 sensor, and I did. No
> luck. I also have changed the TPS, and the MAP sensor. It has a new
> distributer, cap, rotor, plugs, wires, fuel filter, and a fuel pump relay.
> I'm really lost here, and don't have a clue whats going on. It has been
> running kind of rough for a while. It would miss under hard acceleration,
> and would idle irraticly. But today is when the straw broke. Any info is
> welcome, thanks.
>
> Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302
>
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:20:39 -0500
From: "Edward Saunders"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!

I don't have a code reader. Is there another way to check the codes? I
took off the throttle body and the inside is all black, and sludgy. If it
is running too rich would this happen?

thanks


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Kennedy
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!


>
> How about the fuel pressure regulator. It sits on the fuel rail back
behind
> the breather on the driver's side. If the regulator goes out, you'll be
> overloading the injectors, big time. It will cause the problems you are
> having. Mine ran about 40 bucks.
>
> Have you run the codes yet? That's how I found mine. It wouldn't generate
any
> codes when the regulator went out. I was sucking fuel through the vacuum
line
> that was supposed to regulate the pressure.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Edward Saunders wrote:
>
> > I'm having major problems with my truck. I can't get it to idle and
when
> > it's running it runs REAL rich. I'm using about 1/4 of a tank of gas in
> > about 30 miles. A friend told me to change the O2 sensor, and I did.
No
> > luck. I also have changed the TPS, and the MAP sensor. It has a new
> > distributer, cap, rotor, plugs, wires, fuel filter, and a fuel pump
relay.
> > I'm really lost here, and don't have a clue whats going on. It has been
> > running kind of rough for a while. It would miss under hard
acceleration,
> > and would idle irraticly. But today is when the straw broke. Any info
is
> > welcome, thanks.
> >
> > Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302
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Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:52:08 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!

Black is OK, sludgy is something else. Do you smell raw fuel?
There is a way to read codes. I use an analog voltmeter. The way to set it up is
at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dalidesign.com/hbook/eectest.html

This page is a keeper.

If the regulator diaphragm goes (that's what mine did) you'll have fuel being
sucked into the upper intake through the vacuum line attached to the fuel
pressure regulator. This causes fuel overload, the intake is actually sucking in
fuel, besides what is being injected.

Bob



Edward Saunders wrote:

> I don't have a code reader. Is there another way to check the codes? I
> took off the throttle body and the inside is all black, and sludgy. If it
> is running too rich would this happen?
>
> thanks
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Kennedy
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
>
> >
> > How about the fuel pressure regulator. It sits on the fuel rail back
> behind
> > the breather on the driver's side. If the regulator goes out, you'll be
> > overloading the injectors, big time. It will cause the problems you are
> > having. Mine ran about 40 bucks.
> >
> > Have you run the codes yet? That's how I found mine. It wouldn't generate
> any
> > codes when the regulator went out. I was sucking fuel through the vacuum
> line
> > that was supposed to regulate the pressure.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > Edward Saunders wrote:
> >
> > > I'm having major problems with my truck. I can't get it to idle and
> when
> > > it's running it runs REAL rich. I'm using about 1/4 of a tank of gas in
> > > about 30 miles. A friend told me to change the O2 sensor, and I did.
> No
> > > luck. I also have changed the TPS, and the MAP sensor. It has a new
> > > distributer, cap, rotor, plugs, wires, fuel filter, and a fuel pump
> relay.
> > > I'm really lost here, and don't have a clue whats going on. It has been
> > > running kind of rough for a while. It would miss under hard
> acceleration,
> > > and would idle irraticly. But today is when the straw broke. Any info
> is
> > > welcome, thanks.
> > >
> > > Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302
> > >
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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:03:54 -0500
From: "Edward Saunders"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!

Yes I can smell lots of raw fuel. Also the gasket that is between the
plenum and the throttle body was sucked in. Thanks for the tips. I'll get
that part tomorrow when the parts store opens up. Hopefully it works. I'm
tired of changing parts : )

Thanks again Bob

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Kennedy
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!


>
> Black is OK, sludgy is something else. Do you smell raw fuel?
> There is a way to read codes. I use an analog voltmeter. The way to set it
up is
> at:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dalidesign.com/hbook/eectest.html
>
> This page is a keeper.
>
> If the regulator diaphragm goes (that's what mine did) you'll have fuel
being
> sucked into the upper intake through the vacuum line attached to the fuel
> pressure regulator. This causes fuel overload, the intake is actually
sucking in
> fuel, besides what is being injected.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Edward Saunders wrote:
>
> > I don't have a code reader. Is there another way to check the codes? I
> > took off the throttle body and the inside is all black, and sludgy. If
it
> > is running too rich would this happen?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bob Kennedy
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 10:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HELP!!!!
> >
> > >
> > > How about the fuel pressure regulator. It sits on the fuel rail back
> > behind
> > > the breather on the driver's side. If the regulator goes out, you'll
be
> > > overloading the injectors, big time. It will cause the problems you
are
> > > having. Mine ran about 40 bucks.
> > >
> > > Have you run the codes yet? That's how I found mine. It wouldn't
generate
> > any
> > > codes when the regulator went out. I was sucking fuel through the
vacuum
> > line
> > > that was supposed to regulate the pressure.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > > Edward Saunders wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm having major problems with my truck. I can't get it to idle and
> > when
> > > > it's running it runs REAL rich. I'm using about 1/4 of a tank of
gas in
> > > > about 30 miles. A friend told me to change the O2 sensor, and I
did.
> > No
> > > > luck. I also have changed the TPS, and the MAP sensor. It has a
new
> > > > distributer, cap, rotor, plugs, wires, fuel filter, and a fuel pump
> > relay.
> > > > I'm really lost here, and don't have a clue whats going on. It has
been
> > > > running kind of rough for a while. It would miss under hard
> > acceleration,
> > > > and would idle irraticly. But today is when the straw broke. Any
info
> > is
> > > > welcome, thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302
> > > >
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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:13:23 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Stumbling engine on hills

> I am having a similar problem with my '94 F150 (300ci, 5 speed). I
>can't tell you what the trouble is, but maybe I can help with what it is
>not. My problem appears to be similar, but more advanced: starts
>perfect, idles perfect, cruises perfect in every gear and at any RPM.
>Sometimes (often, but by no means always) when I ask it for power (even
>for normal, unloaded, flat ground acceleration) I will get the same
>stumble you described. It occurs in every gear, and at different RPMs.
>Being wet seems to make it worse, but being dry does not make it go away.
> This problem has persisted for over a year, very slowly getting
>worse. I have replaced: plugs, wires, cap 'n rotor, coil, fuel filter.
>I have dual tanks and therefore dual pumps, and it occurs equally on
>either tank. It does feel like a "bad gas" stumble, but I've run
>hundreds of gallons of gas through it from many different sources and the
>problem has only gotten worse. I have tested the power supply to the
>fuel pumps with a voltmeter attached at the cutoff switch, and it never
>wavered. Likewise the power supply to the coil. I have also tested the
>TPS, and it seems normal. Ditto the EGR valve.
> Speculation: fuel pressure regulator? Maybe injectors, but
>wouldn't a clog inhibit power all the time? Maybe clogged muffler or
>cats, but same objection holds. Does anyone know of a way (short of
>buying a remote-mount fuel pressure gauge $$$) to check the fuel pressure
>at the rail while the truck is being driven?
>

Thanks. I don't think my problem is due to fuel as I too have tried
different sources and grades. It is definately not exhaust related because
it did it with or without catalytic converters or mufflers. I may get a $30
fuel pressure gauge and check that.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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