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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - timing problems
FTE 80-96 - wheel bearing specs
FTE 80-96 - I6 Timing gears
FTE 80-96 - Re: Holley 4180
FTE 80-96 - Flange Type Hubs
FTE 80-96 - Crane Cam Experience's
Re: FTE 80-96 - cold automatic has trouble shifting
FTE 80-96 - Crane Compucam
FTE 80-96 - RE: Cold tranny shifting
FTE 80-96 - No cheese with this whine.
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Cold tranny shifting
Re: FTE 80-96 - No cheese with this whine.
Re: FTE 80-96 - timing problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - Crane Cam Experience's
FTE 80-96 - 84 - F150 Timing Problems
RE: FTE 80-96 - No cheese with this whine.
FTE 80-96 - exhausting.... leaks
FTE 80-96 - exhausting.... leaks
Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 - F150 Timing Problems

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:38:22 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - timing problems

Ron,

I know what you mean. Before I found this list it was a slow learning
process every time I worked on my truck.
By the way, if that vacuum line was bad there are probably others that are
either bad or about to go bad. The vacuum line is cheap and easy to replace
so I just replaced them all. The vacuum line to the transmission is metal
but has a short piece of rubber hose on each end. I had a leak in the short
piece on the transmission end and it was a bear to track down. Crawl under
there and do it. It is worth the effort.
The most common result of a vacuum leak is a rough idle, so if your truck
starts to idle rough it's probably a vacuum leak. Also remember this little
hint. Torque down the intake manifold bolts. They loosen with age and can
cause a vacuum leak and hence a rough idle.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA


- -----Original Message-----
From: Ron Freidel
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - timing problems


>thanks,
>
>Well, it did turn out to be the MAP sensor vacuum line. The sensor
>itself seems to be ok.
>
>Michael McCarthy wrote:
>
>> Another possibility might be the MAP sensor, or the vacuum lines running
to
>
>I wish I had read that a long time ago... I knew I should have posted
>earlier.
>
>Later,
>
>Ron
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:47:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: STHIBODE spf.fairchildsemi.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - wheel bearing specs

Hi,

Looking for information on the wheel bearing adjustment specifications
for an 85 F-250 4WD w/the Dana 44HD front axle. I have a Haynes manual
for the truck, but they don't list the specification for an 85. Also,
they show many different spec's for the various years which seems
strange because these are all pretty much a Dana 44 is a Dana 44.
Listed below are the specs from Haynes on the available years, what do
you think? If anyone has the wheel bearing adjustment spec from the 85
Ford Factory manual that would be great!

80 F150/250 Bronco Inner nut 50ft/lbs, back off 1/4 turn, Outer lock
nut 50ft/lbs.

81 F150/250 Bronco Inner nut 50ft/lbs, back off 1/8 turn, Outer lock
nut 50ft/lbs.

82 F150/250 Bronco Inner nut 50ft/lbs, back off 1/8 turn, Outer lock
nut 150ft/lbs.

83 F150/Bronco Inner nut 50ft/lbs, back off 1/8 turn, Outer lock nut
150ft/lbs.

83 F250/350 Inner nut 50ft/lbs, back off 3/8 turn, Outer lock nut
65ft/lbs.

thanks,
Steve

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:01:35 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - I6 Timing gears

Ron writes: >> One more thing, I got into an argument friday night , you know
how
>neighbors are, they were using me as an opportunity to stand around and
>drink beer while I was setting the timing, anyway, two of them thought
>that Ford used timing chain in their six's, while I argued that I
>thought it had gears, who is correct?

You are correct. The I6 has gears. No chain.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 05:56:43 -0700
From: johnhfleming juno.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Holley 4180

My son just got an older Motorcraft/Holley that looks just like a 4180
but has a different list num. I can't remember what it is just now but it
was something like 4388 or some such. What is involved in setting the
thing up right? We have no data and I haven't worked on a Holley in about
20 years. It seems to run OK on his '73 390. Floods out kinda easy at
startup though.

He just got his engine back together last week, his 1st major engine
project aside from rebuilds and repairs on our motorcycles. He picked up
a Melling cam and an aluminum intake, bought a set of Hooker headers and
attached a 3" exhaust sys. Sounds great and he's happy with the power
gain. Now we just needs to get the *astards that mashed the front end to
pay up so he can finish the body.

John

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:52:20 -0400
From: "Phil Maher"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Flange Type Hubs

I just bought an early 1988 Bronco, full size, manual hubs.The right hub
would not disengage, rather then fool with it I went to put new Warn hubs on
...... SURPRISE , never saw flange type hubs before!!! Found out they were
only used on 87 and early 88's. Warn , Superwench and Mile Maker do not make
anything to fit these.Is there a repair kit available from Ford with all new
plastic parts ? Any other options ? TIA Phil


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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:09:40 PDT
From: "Roger Lane"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Crane Cam Experience's

Does anybody have any experience's with the Crane Compucams? I am looking
into rebuilding a 302 for my 89 F250 and would like to know how this cam
would work. The one I am looking at is the 2021 grind number.
TIA

Roger Lane

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:33:40 -0500
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - cold automatic has trouble shifting

Before you rebuild...............try a product called "Trans-X". It worked
for me on a couple of trannys that were having the same problem you
describe. It's only a couple bucks and has a money back guarantee. You'll
have to drive a few miles and give it a chance to dissolve some of the
varnish buildup. Lemme know if it works for you ;^)
Smeck 87 F150


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Norris
To:
Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 3:39 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - cold automatic has trouble shifting


>
> Hey there,
>
> I have a problem with my (C6 3spd-auto) transmission taking its own sweet
> time dropping into drive -- or any forward gear -- when the engine is
cold.
> There's no hesitation when shifting into reverse, though. And once it does
> drop into a forward gear, it runs and shifts fine. When starting it warm,
> the problem doesn't exist, either. And I would say that the pause has been
> anywhere between no pause and 45 seconds.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Andy Norris
> 1989 F250 5.8L 351
> Baldwin City, Kansas
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:35:44 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Crane Compucam

This is for whomever posted the inquiry about Crane Compucams (the kid
deleted the post before I had a chance to reply).

There really is no way to determine a single best cam for any specific
application. The key is to balance the characteristics of the individual
components.

I have an 83 Bronco, 3.50 (or thereabouts), with the OD 4 speed stick. It is
a stock rebuild except Edelbrock Performer manifold, Performer 600 cfm carb,
Performer cam, lifters, springs, etc., portmatched and polished (but not
ported) stock heads with a 3 angle valve seats, Accel Blueprint ignition,
and factory 5 liter Mustang headers, 2 inch duals with cheap JCWhitney turbo
mufflers. (Adapted a hydraulic linkage for the clutch for header clearance.)

That's it--nothing high dollar or super-duper, just well-matched compnents
that complement each other. All the aftermarket components were installed
as-supplied, except the carb has had the choke adjusted to run leaner. The
timing was set by seat of the pants--turn it up until it surges and back off
a tad.

I don't know exactly how much power this engine makes, but the first time I
drove it the rear axle bearing caps, ring and pinion disintegrated. After
rebuilding the axle, per the advice of this board who insist the 8.8 is
strong, I finally was able to drive the truck. Tuning is perfect--the plugs
are a golden brown. She starts instantly and pulls strong--much better than
stock. She pulls strong from idle to well past the 5000 rpm design powerband
claimed for her aftermarket parts. This engine pulls just like a 67 F-250 I
had with a 390-2V, but keeps on pulling long after the 390 would have run
out of breath. She also is clicking 21.2 miles per gallon on the highway.

Unfortunately, the rebuilt rear axle has decided to die again. Obviously the
8.8 is not up to a well-built Performer 302, 31/10.50 tires, and a new
clutch.

My point is: select name-brand components that match your vehicle and your
driving style. Sticking with a well-engineered matched set of components
from a single manufacturer ensures no compatibility problems. Components
designed to work together do just that, as long as you follow the
manufacturer's recomendations for installation, tuning, and compatibility
of other components.

I've used Crane, Edelbrock, Iskenderian, Competition Cams, Ford Motosport,
and Trick Flow cams over the years and all have worked well when the rest of
the engine components, vehicle, and intended use matched.

There are several Mustang street/racers running Compucams, and they do
pretty well. The owners like the Compucams because the cams work much better
than non-computer designs, especially with FI mods. Their hot grinds would
not be suitable for a basically stock 4X4. Crane lists 5 different Compucams
for the 302, and the grind you choose should be based on its compatibility
with the rest of your truck.

I suggest you visit the FAQ at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cranecams.com/camvtfaq.htm for
more info on selecting cams. Then e-mail the tech people at Crane for advice
if you are still in doubt.

Ken
83 Bronco dead again
86 Mustang 3.8
86 Mustang 460 trick Flow heads, intake, cam, etc.
93 Mustang 2.3

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:04:31 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Cold tranny shifting

My old rattletrap '79 F-150 did the same thing. Being of VERY low buck
nature, I found that pulling a quart out of my C-6, and putting in a Quart
of "Trans-X" (Local parts houses carry it). My tranny was dying, but that
helped!!!

Others tell me that was BS!

Dave H.
'92 F-150 5.0 / DREADED E4OD!!! / 3.55 single spin getting about 12-13.5
mpg at very near 6000 pounds.

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:07:12 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - No cheese with this whine.

Hello list folks,

Since I acquired my truck the power steering pump has emitted a rather loud
whine when under load. This whine is apparent when at idle and not under a
load as well. I dismissed this noise over the last couple of years, but it
is now getting on my nerves. I have changed the serpentine belt with no
effect on this noise. The power steering works fine and does not leak a
drop. I have heard this whine from other 1994 F-series trucks and figured
this pump is just loud. Is there anything I can do to remedy this noise?

Thanks!

Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1994_f350_1.html
"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:21:36 -0500
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Cold tranny shifting

Sometimes the stuff works and sometimes not. The tranny's already goin bad
anyway, so whatcha gonna do? Like you said it's either $3.00 for the Trans-x
or $1,200.00 for a rebuild. It's nothing but solvent and seems to cut
varnish buildup OK. With regular fliud changes, one of the trannys is still
going strong 60k miles later. (160K total milage!) Saved myself a
transmission rebuild or two...............so I'm a believer.
Smeck 87 F150 Warner T-18

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Harmier
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 3:04 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Cold tranny shifting


> My old rattletrap '79 F-150 did the same thing. Being of VERY low buck
> nature, I found that pulling a quart out of my C-6, and putting in a Quart
> of "Trans-X" (Local parts houses carry it). My tranny was dying, but that
> helped!!!
>
> Others tell me that was BS!
>
> Dave H.
> '92 F-150 5.0 / DREADED E4OD!!! / 3.55 single spin getting about 12-13.5
> mpg at very near 6000 pounds.
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:27:33 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - No cheese with this whine.

At 14:07 28/09/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello list folks,
>
>Since I acquired my truck the power steering pump has emitted a rather loud
>whine when under load. This whine is apparent when at idle and not under a
>load as well. I dismissed this noise over the last couple of years, but it
>is now getting on my nerves. I have changed the serpentine belt with no
>effect on this noise. The power steering works fine and does not leak a
>drop. I have heard this whine from other 1994 F-series trucks and figured
>this pump is just loud. Is there anything I can do to remedy this noise?

My PS pump whined for a long time also. I ignored it. Finally the front
shaft seal began leaking pretty bad, as did the high-pressure hose. Not the
cause of the whine, but a mess under the hood. So I swapped out the pump
for a rebuilt one and new hoses all around. I expected the whine to go
away, but even the new (rebuilt) one whined a bit when new. Eventually (12
months later) it stopped whining. I think it is just characteristic of the
design.

Knowing what I know now, I would have just replaced the pump shaft seal and
the hoses, but not bothered to get a whole rebuilt pump; that would have
saved me a fair amount of $$$ (which I could put toward an amplifier for
the stereo system and drown out the whine!).


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:28:30 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - timing problems

>The most common result of a vacuum leak is a rough idle, so if your truck
>starts to idle rough it's probably a vacuum leak. Also remember this little
>hint. Torque down the intake manifold bolts. They loosen with age and can
>cause a vacuum leak and hence a rough idle.
>

And I found out that some of the original Ford intake manifold gaskets were
installed crooked from the factory, thus creating a vacuum leak for the
life of the truck - until it is fixed.

Blake
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:35:24 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Crane Cam Experience's

>Does anybody have any experience's with the Crane Compucams? I am looking
>into rebuilding a 302 for my 89 F250 and would like to know how this cam
>would work. The one I am looking at is the 2021 grind number.
>TIA
>

I just put a Crane Compucam in my 88 F-150 302 and I am very happy with it.
It is much snappier on acceleration than with the stock cam. Pulling is
really good too, but probably about the same as stock. I also put on new
shorty headers and took off a set of cheapy regular headers and dual
exhausts. I am running the stock Y pipe and 2 cats and no muffler. Not loud
at all.

I would recommend the cam. I think Summit only had one Compucam for the 302
in trucks.

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:20:26 -0600
From: "William E. Swickard"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 84 - F150 Timing Problems

I have been watching this dialog for several months and noticed that I am
not the only one having ignition timing problems with their old Fords. Can
someone add input to my particular problem?

Mine is a 84 Fors F150 with the 5.8 Liter V8, 4V Dual Foat Holly, and
aparently the Duraspark II or Duraspark III ingition system, probably with
the Electronic Engine Control. Cold or hot, the engine changes timing from
more or less normal, to significantly retarded, causing all sorts of
drivability problems, especially in town. It seems to behave OK on the highway.

What is causing this, and how do I correct the problem, or bypass the guilty
parts?

Bill



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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:23:27 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - No cheese with this whine.

My '85 302 1/2 ton has the same problem on the rebuilt I installed. Thought
I bled it wrong but a mechanic gave me the classic answer, "Aw, all Ford
Trucks do that." It steers great just complains alot. However my original
didn't do it but I have heard new ones do it.

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From: Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA [mailto:2hinkles sprynet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 4:07 PM
To: ford trucks
Subject: FTE 80-96 - No cheese with this whine.


Hello list folks,

Since I acquired my truck the power steering pump has emitted a rather loud
whine when under load. This whine is apparent when at idle and not under a
load as well. I dismissed this noise over the last couple of years, but it
is now getting on my nerves. I have changed the serpentine belt with no
effect on this noise. The power steering works fine and does not leak a
drop. I have heard this whine from other 1994 F-series trucks and figured
this pump is just loud. Is there anything I can do to remedy this noise?

Thanks!

Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1994_f350_1.html
"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:48:36 -0700
From: Rob Guerra
Subject: FTE 80-96 - exhausting.... leaks

I just found an exhaust leak in my 96 F-250 (351W) right side exhaust
manifold. I am not exactly thrilled with this, but I have to fix it none
the less. I thought I might change out the stock manifolds to a set of
aftermarket headers. Does anyone have any experience with a good set that
will fit. I will probably do the entire exhaust system while I am at it,
so I would consider full kits too.

Onto another note, anyone chip their computer? I was trying to decide
which one to install.


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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:49:40 -0700
From: "slik"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - exhausting.... leaks

If you want the best fit, check out Doug Thorley headers. They seem to have
all the angles covered, have a great gasket, and their flange seems to be
thicker than most others. I can even change my starter without loosening
the headers!

Slik

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Guerra
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:48 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - exhausting.... leaks


> I just found an exhaust leak in my 96 F-250 (351W) right side exhaust
> manifold. I am not exactly thrilled with this, but I have to fix it none
> the less. I thought I might change out the stock manifolds to a set of
> aftermarket headers. Does anyone have any experience with a good set that
> will fit. I will probably do the entire exhaust system while I am at it,
> so I would consider full kits too.
>
> Onto another note, anyone chip their computer? I was trying to decide
> which one to install.
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:48:58 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 - F150 Timing Problems

I would bet you have a vacuum leak somewhere. I sound like a broken record
about idle problems and vacuum leaks but believe me I spent hours upon hours
trying to fix the idle problem in my truck and the thing that finally
corrected it was fixing the vacuum leaks. Hoses had cracks in in them from
age and the intake manifold bolts were loose. Mine still idles rough on
occasion but for the most part runs smooth. I think I need to check the
solenoids in the emission control system.
I also checked all the TSB's for my truck and the only bulletins regarding
idle problems refer to vacuum problems (I'm not counting the adjustment
procedure TSB's). One exception - one of the TSB's recommended installing
softer motor mounts to cure the rough idle problem. I considered suspending
my engine in the engine compartment with a series of beams and chains but
opted for fixing the vacuum leaks.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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From: William E. Swickard
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 11:28 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 84 - F150 Timing Problems


>I have been watching this dialog for several months and noticed that I am....


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