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80-96-list-digest Friday, September 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 268



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - squeeking brakes
FTE 80-96 - warranty
RE: FTE 80-96 - 1990 F-150 tansmission/rear end
FTE 80-96 - 1bbl Carb question
FTE 80-96 - Re: Ken Haley story
FTE 80-96 - idle lope
FTE 80-96 - Re: Shift Kits
FTE 80-96 - Re: Shift Kits
FTE 80-96 - Vent air rerouted
Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!
FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Off Topic...kinda
Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!
Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Off Topic...kinda
Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Off Topic...kinda
Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!
FTE 80-96 - axle swap
FTE 80-96 - Oil in air filter
Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil in air filter

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:13:11 -0400
From: "Alger, Timothy, CTR, AFSAA/SAT"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - squeeking brakes

Does anyone know how to quiet squeeking brakes? Its intermittent but
annoying.


thanks
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:03:34 -0400
From: Dave Heverin
Subject: FTE 80-96 - warranty

Ed,

As I have a 1WD F150 (no limited slip axle) I don't know. I would expect
that Ford would include the front axle, but NOT THE HUBS. To many people do
silly things to the locking front hubs, like drive through water which
washes the grease out...

Dave
Bel Air, MD




- -----Original Message-----
From: Ed Mount [mailto:ed_mount nemonet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 5:01 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - vibration


Just out of curiosity, Dave, does the 50,000 mile drive train warranty
include the front axle and hubs on a 4X4?
Ed
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Heverin
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - vibration


> Mike,
>
> At 50,000 miles the drive train should still be under warranty from FORD.
I
> had a 5year/60,000 mile warranty on all drivetrain components. You may
want
> to contact your favorite Ford dealer.
>
> I had a short block replacement at 70,000 miles on my 302. Ford's
mistake.
> They had a run of problems with 302 and 460 blocks that would cause the
> engines to develop piston slap. Even though I was outside of my warranty
> period they did the work at no charge. The transmission (120,000miles)
> started showing symptoms you describe plus not wanting to shift out of
> overdrive when I slowed down. I had the rebuild done at Bill & Earl's in
> Baltimore. It was definitely needed. They replaced all of the clutches
and
> the torque converter, plus they installed a retrofit shift valve from Ford
> to correct some shifting problems in the AOD transmission.
>
> Dave
> 88' F150, 302/AOD
> Bel Air, MD.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Surette [mailto:budsurette hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 12:15 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - vibration
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I have a 302 with E4OD transmission. The drivetrain has just under 50,000
> miles on it. The vibration seems to get worse in cooler weather. If it
> happens to be as serious as a transmission rebuild, I would prefer to just
> swap the auto for a 5-speed manual. Does anyone know if that is a
> straightforward swap or if it will cause problems and cost an arm and a
leg?
>
> Mike
> Abingdon, MD
>
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:27:41 -0400
> From: Dave Heverin Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:Mike,
>
> Which engine/transmission combination do you have? How many miles do you
> have on the drive train. On my 88' F150 with an AOD4 transmission I had a
> similar problem. The fix was a transmission rebuild.
>
> Dave
> Bel Air, MD
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Surette [mailto:budsurette hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:46 PMTo:
> 80-96-list ford-trucks.comSubject:
>
> Fellow list members,
>
> I have a 1996 F-150 Eddie Bauer Edition truck, 4x4, automatic, K&N
> airfilter.
>
> 3. I also get a vibration when my truck wants to get into a higher gear.
> Adding a little gas makes the vibration worse. I have to almost floor it
to
>
> upshift to the next gear and make the vibration go away. Engine mounts
are
> ok. Dealer says the transmission is also ok. Has anyone had the
> sameproblem?
>
> Mike
> Abingdon, MD
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:09:24 -0400
From: Dave Heverin
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 1990 F-150 tansmission/rear end

Fletcher,

It is not U-joints. It may be the rear end, but I don't think so.... This
was one of the symptoms of the death of my AOD transmission. Whenever I was
driving under a light load (stop & go traffic, etc...) and let off the gas
there would be a slam in the drive train. About 6 months later the trans
lost the ability to down hsift out of overdrive.

Dave
88'F150




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From: Fletcher Pilling [mailto:jfpilling home.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:43 PM
To: 80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1990 F-150 tansmission/rear end


When I am acceleration and let off of the gas, I get a jolt from the
drive train. This also occurs when the trans. is downshifting quick,
(like a sudden stop).
I do not think it is bad u-joints because the truck does not clunk when
put into gear. I could be wrong about the u-joints though.

the trans. guy says that I have slop in the rear end and that is the
problem. I did not notice the problem being this bad until they adjusted
the kick down cable. I just want to fix the problem before it becomes
terminal.

If the rear end needs to be replaced, i have a standard 3.55 rear gear
and would like to replace it with either a limited slip or a gear to get
better off the line acceleration ,but still keeping the rpms low at
highway speeds. any suggestions?

Thanks for all the great information this forum provides.

Fletcher Pilling
Mt. Pleasant, SC
1990 F-150 super cab
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:37:57 EDT
From: BanksRVA aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1bbl Carb question

Hey Folks,
Can someone tell me what the two plunger-like devices are
on the front and rear of my 1982 1bbl Carter carb? Both are electrically
controlled. What do they do?
Thanks, Joe
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:41:17 -0600
From: "Greg Kainz"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Ken Haley story

Ken! Man, you crack me up! Let's have more stories like that! I darn near
split a gut reading it and then had to share your 4wheelin' story with the
rest of the cube dwellers here (one actually got it - he's got an F-250),
the other import-drivin' freeway crawlin' "what's a locking hub" "4WD is for
snow on the freeway on the way to the ski slopes" "don't pull off the
pavement - you'll get stuck" crowd just kind of shook their heads and walked
away muttering something about needing to go hug a tree or something.
Greg
BTW, my 13 year old wants us to build a 55 F-100 and it's got to be low low
low (but at least it's meant to be that way). I think there's a verse in
the bible about "thou shalt not remove 4wd where God intended" isn't there?
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>
>Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:41:28 PDT
>From: "ken haley"
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!
>
>Hey, Phred,
>
>Ya oughta no better to accept crazy responses:
>
>Ya don't have to sell me on the abilities of a well-driven F-150. I bought
a
>new one in 1979; I-6, 4 speed, 3:50 or there abouts axles with factory
>limited slip in the back, L78-15 bias ply highway tires, and a step bumper.
>Oh, and it was sky blue with gold and white graphics--the Explorer option.
>Picked her up from the dealer on a monday, put 4.56s in on tuesday and
>stopped by the tire store on the way home from work for a set of 9/33-15 6
>ply off brand mud wumpers. Yup, really tall and skinny.
>
>There was a 4X4 trailride sponsered by some jeep club in the Carolina
>mountains advertised on the radio, so I showed up early Saturday morning.
>Sadly, the radio add neglected to say that anything wider than the old CJs,
>Broncos, Scouts, and Toyotas wasn't allowed on the narrow trails. Us fellas
>with real trucks were just a tad put out about that.
>
>Well, as I perused the map of the days trail ride, I noticed I knew the
>mountain were the ride was suppossed to stop for lunch, having been there
>many times on the old Honda trailbike. I also noticed that the old logging
>road up the north side of the mountain wasn't on the map.
>
>Well, it didn't take long to find a couple of cohorts willing to tackle the
>north slope--a 77 F-150, a 78 Bronco, and one of the old military surplus
>Dodge PowerWagons left over from Korea or something.
>
>We hightailed it around the interstate to the other side of the mountain,
>well, 48 mph was top speed for the Dodge, so we didn't go so fast. After
>stopping to top of gas tanks and coolers, we locked the hubs, swam the
>river, and drove up to the top of the mountain. We all mad it, no problem.
>Didn't even uncoil a winch cable or a SnatchUm.
>
>By the time those uppity twerps with there mini-wheelers got there we were
>just finishing up ribeyes, baked potatos, and corn on the cob, and settling
>back for a siesta. Ya should seen the looks on their faces when the topped
>that last rise, and their we sat atop the ridge, trying mighty hard to not
>hurt ourselves laughing.
>
>The king of the twerps asked us how we got there, so we told him via a
>government surplus Flying Crane helicopter. The twerp was not amused.
>heeheehee We loaded up our stuff, and after dropping over the side of the
>mountain, Mr. PowerWagon, once 50 yards down the mountain, threw that
sucker
>in reverse, climbed the hill BACKWARDS, and reminded the king of the twerps
>to be sure and carry out his trash. There are some things mini-trucks just
>can't do. haahaahaa
>
>A couple weeks later there was another jeep trail ride. Mr. PowerWagon and
I
>were playing in a serious mud hole with some logs thrown in for fun, when
>along comes, you guessed it, king of the twerps and his gang of wannabes.
>Well, we were really nice about winching the minis across the mudhole. Most
>of them, anyway. One CJ-5 with Dana 44 in the front and a Ford 9 inch in
the
>back breezed right across. Of course, she (yup, a pretty little redhead
>owned it) also had a built 351 Cleveland in it, And coil springs on all 4
>corners. Go figure.
>
>As for your funkily flipping climate control system vent determination
>doors, either your engine ain't sucking when it should, it's sucking when
it
>shouldn't (doubtful), or it's getting a mouthful when it does. I'd check
the
>vaccum reservoir for a leak, and it is possible that the vacum motor has a
>leaky diaphram. Also, the vacum part of the climate control switch might be
>leaking.
>
>Best of luck--and don't give up.
>
>Ken, father of a lunatic son who wants a Bronco lowrider. Where have I gone
>wrong????


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:51:57 -0700
From: "Dennis"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - idle lope

O.K. Idle lope way not be the right term, more like a surging when first
started if engine is warm. I cleaned the egr valve and it made no
difference. In an attempt to isolate the problem I placed a solid gaket
between the egr and the manifold, seems to have smoothed out the idle a
little, but the surge is still there. Thanks for the advice... Dennis 89
F250 351W C6 4x4

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:56:03 -0500
From: "DannyF"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Shift Kits

> ate: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:55:00 EDT
> From: FLR150 aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Shift Kits
>
> In a message dated 9/22/99 12:08:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> danf01 worldnet.att.net writes:
>
> >
> Danny,
> I hate to tell you pal but you are sadly mistaken. I have an AODE in my
> truck. It is actually the AODE/4R70W, differing from the AODE in that it
> has
> the lower ratio first gear. And you must not be a big fan of 94-96
> Mustangs
> then. All the V-8 powered stangs with an automatic got an AODE, plus the
> Lincoln Mark VII and Mark VIII. Also check
> HREF="http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com/">Automatic + Electronic = Baumann
> Engineering: Electromatic Performance f,
> Art
> Carr, and email these experts in transmission modification,
> ESPECIALLY
> ART CARR whose Rough Riders off road team has won many street class off
> road
> events using AODE powered Ford trucks. Check your info.....
> Later
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside SC

My mistake Wayne. Meant to say for that year model theres no
AODE available, not that it doesn't exist.

Got to wake up before I start typing...
Danny
danf01 worldnet.att.net
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:56:03 -0500
From: "DannyF"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Shift Kits

> ate: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:38:29 -0700
> From: Bob Kennedy
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Shift Kits
>
> DannyF wrote:
>
> >
> > Not quite Wayne. In 1990 you could have a AOD, E4OD or even a
> > C6(rare though in that year). Theres no such thing as a AODE. My
> > manual tells me the AOD was not offered in the 4X4.
> >
> > Anyway, the axle code is on the driver's side door post. An E
> > designates the E4OD. This will get you the OD button on the
> > dashboard. Or just look at the trans pan. If theres a big T portrusion
> > out of the pan, its the E4OD.
> >
> > And yes, the early E4OD were prone to lubrication problems all the
> > way into the early '90s. Any modern rebuild kit will fix them. When
> > Ford corrected I don't know. Theres no way to tell externally if the
> > trans includes this update.
> >
> > Danny
> > danf01 worldnet.att.net
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> Yo Danny,
> Ford did make an AODE as well as the others you listed. Check out,
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com
>
> They have an interesting history on Ford Transmissions as well as
> upgrade
> possibilities. I've actually printed this out and keep it in a binder.
>

My mistake Bob. Meant to type theres no such thing as an AODE
for that year model truck.

Thanks for keeping me on my toes.

Danny
danf01 worldnet.att.net
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:12:15 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Vent air rerouted

Phred writes: >>Question to all regarding a slight loss of power and the vents:
I recently
noticed while driving with the air flowing through the vents, when the truck
comes under heavy load (such as in overdrive, the cruise control set and a
steep over-pass/incline), the air stops flowing from the vents and is
re-routed to the windshield/defroster vents.
Once the engine comes back off the load, the air goes back to circulating
through the regular vents. Crazy yah?!
This will occur with and without the AC on, and with or without the cruise
control on.
Now I know I am not normal, but I don't believe this has been happening
since the truck was brand new.
I have looked for a vacuum leak under hood without succes, and under the
dash seems so strange and unknown, but nothing appear out of the ordinary.
Suggestions? Non-serious ones will also be entertained.

Under a long dead load, you are using all your vacuum reserve up, and the
diverter gate in the heater/air conditioner plenium requires vacuum to keep it
in this position. Get a larger canister to store your vacuum in, or downshift
so your engine can replinish the vacuum....

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:55:02 -0500
From: Roy Houston
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!

In 1981, seems like yesterday, I moved from So Cal to Houston, TX. I had a
trunk with my clothes in it and a Lorider '81 Chevy Silverado. Talk about
culture shock, this was right smack in the middle of that Urban Cowboy
crap. I've had a few lowriders in my day, now I've got a F-150 with some
big ol' honkin' BFGs on it and I love it. No more slowin' down for speed
bumps... car in the way when I'm makin' a right? lookout curb or ditch or
whatever, I'm comin' around. Trucks are just more fun up high!

My suggestion to your son on the '83 Bronco?? Clean it up and sell it.
Strippin' the 4x4 out of a truck is some kinda sacrilegious thing. Buy a
mid '60s F-100 2x4 and slam it. Or you could always go to the dark side....
Chevy's are easier to slam and there's a ton of after market to do it with.

Later Roy

At 06:41 PM 09/22/1999 , you wrote:
>
>Ken, father of a lunatic son who wants a Bronco lowrider. Where have I gone
>wrong????
>

Roy Houston Richmond, TX (Houston southwest 'burb)
85 F-150XL SC 351W H.O 4V C4
98 GMC Safari 4.3
houston1 _at_ slb _dot_ com

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:19:43 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!

Says the boy:

Chevy??? You want me to drive a Chevy???? Are you crazy??? On a quiet night
you can here the Chevies rust. Why would I want the same "customized"
garbage everyone else has? Dropped Chevies are common as dirt. What good is
a custom truck when everyone else has one just like it? I'd rather push a
Ford than drive a Chevy. Can't take the top off a pickup, and the 60s Fords
look like garbage trucks. Besides, not enough room in a pickup for all five
of us bone bustin' backs (refering to himself and the other 4 starting
defensive backs who are administering an average 2.4 broken offensive bones
per game). Besides, Heather can't get in and out of a 4 X 4 by herself.
(Heather is his sweetie since kindergarten. Her family's Crown Vic was hit
by a drunk driver in a Blazer last year and she is just now walking again,
with leg braces and crutches.) I just want the seat low enough Heather can
get in and out with dignity.

Hmmmm??? Maybe I haven't screwed up too badly after all.

Ken
83 Bronco 302, 4 speed OD, busted rear axle
85 Boy 220 on the bench, heart of gold
86 Mustang TrickFlow SCJ semiPro street
86 Mustang ragtop V6
93 Mustang ragtop Pinto powered

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:56:37 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Off Topic...kinda

In a message dated 9/23/99 10:24:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
teacherdad hotmail.com writes:


of us bone bustin' backs (referring to himself and the other 4 starting
defensive backs who are administering an average 2.4 broken offensive bones
per game). >>
Ken,
What team do you play for?
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:54:50 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!

>Says the boy:
>
>Chevy??? You want me to drive a Chevy???? Are you crazy??? On a quiet night
>you can here the Chevies rust. Why would I want the same "customized"
>garbage everyone else has? Dropped Chevies are common as dirt. What good is
>a custom truck when everyone else has one just like it? I'd rather push a
>Ford than drive a Chevy. Can't take the top off a pickup, and the 60s Fords
>look like garbage trucks. Besides, not enough room in a pickup for all five
>of us bone bustin' backs (refering to himself and the other 4 starting
>defensive backs who are administering an average 2.4 broken offensive bones
>per game). Besides, Heather can't get in and out of a 4 X 4 by herself.
>(Heather is his sweetie since kindergarten. Her family's Crown Vic was hit
>by a drunk driver in a Blazer last year and she is just now walking again,
>with leg braces and crutches.) I just want the seat low enough Heather can
>get in and out with dignity.
>

Get a Willys Jeepster convertible (2 wheel drive) and stick a Ford 302 in
it. It will be just perfect for you.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:28:14 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Off Topic...kinda

I don't play, my son does, for his school.

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:33:42 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96 Off Topic...kinda

Ahh...ok.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:57:20 PDT
From: "ken haley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another weak component in my truck ?!?!

Folks, we must keep in mind that this entire project, other than the initial
purchase of the Bronco, is paid for by a 14 year old who mows yards with a
3.5 horsepower pushmower for a living. Plans for the truck before Heather
became parralized included a 460 and C6, Dana 70 and 60 axles, 44 inch
mudwumpers, 9 inches of suspension and body lift, and cut-out flares, with
work completed over a 3.5 year period. The suspension lift kit was actually
purchased.

Jeepsters with sound sheetmetal are collector items these days, and are
priced accordingly. We have already looked into other non-GM options, and
decided that it would be better to build a sweet Bronco than to build a
Packard on an F-250 rollin gear. Some serious consideration was given to
4-wheeling an early Falcon convertible. Somehow, we became desensitized to
the idea of a 4X2 Bronco, considering the permant damage we would have had
to do to either a Packard or a Falcon.

The kid's plans for a lowered Bronco are bolt in--the Bronco could be
restored to 4X4 if desired. Therefore, no permanent harm done to the truck.

Ken
83 Bronco, broken 8.8 rear.

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:13:25 -0500
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - axle swap

I am building a mud rider/dailydriver/hunting rig, it is a
1984 F-150 regular cab,SWB
it has the stock Dana44 TTB fron and 9in rear
yes it is a 84 with the 9in stock rear so it is pretty rare.
I am wanting to switch both axles out with leaf sprung at both ends 3/4 or
1 ton
axles.
were should I start:)
the back will be fairly easy wont it>??
but the front I will have to take off all TTB stuff but center
crossmember/motormount bracket.
and the weld up or bolt on mounts for the new leaf springs.
are the spring pads gonna be the same width that would work on my truck.

is there a company that specializes in this stuff
or can somebody please help me thank..


Joel Thomas mailto:treefort prodigy.net
1984 F-150, 351W, 9", T-18,
Edelbrock intake,Holley 750 vac,
33" BFG MT's.
Little Rock,Ar





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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:54:49 -0700
From: "Monte L. Austin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oil in air filter

When I checked out my air filter on my 82 F100 4.9L it was full of oil. It
looks like it is just getting sucked up right through the filler cap. Any
ideas?

Thanks,
Monte Austin


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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:17:49 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil in air filter

That happened to me once on my '85. I have no idea why but I was in the
process of changing emission control stuff and trying to cure a rough idle
problem. I changed the PCV valve and a bunch of other stuff like the air
cleaner, etc. I also fixed a bunch of vacuum leaks. It has never happened....


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