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 ford-trucks.com (80-96-list-digest) To: 80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 80-96-list-digest V3 #261 Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 80-96-list-digest Saturday, September 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 261 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980-1996 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: [none] [none] FTE 80-96 - RE: [none] (oil leak) FTE 80-96 - Re:dash&brake repair FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment FTE 80-96 - suspension, poly bushings RE: FTE 80-96 - suspension, poly bushings Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage FTE 80-96 - Re: Radius arm Bushings RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment FTE 80-96 - 1990 F1-50 XLT FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage FTE 80-96 - 302 loud ticking noise Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 loud ticking noise Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 loud ticking noise Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 loud ticking noise Re: FTE 80-96 - 1990 F1-50 XLT Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage FTE 80-96 - Re: Ford Truck Enthusiasts post Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:12:23 -0400 From: Dave Heverin Subject: [none] I have an old problem that I hope one of you can provide one of you can provide an explanation for... I have an 88' F150 (302ci w/AOD transmission). For the last 160,000 miles the check engine light has flashed. More so in cool weather than hot. I have used a hand-held code reader and it said that the EGR valve was not working properly. So, I replaced it with an aftermarket unit I purchased at PEP BOYS. The problem came back about a week later, so I took it to my Ford dealer and they said that it needed an EGR valve. I said "no, thank you I just put a new one on a week ago...". I have replaced the O2 sensor also, but no change. The mileage is around 13.5mpg and the engine feels very weak. Could the lack of power be a timing issue? If so, can the timing be adjusted on this engine. It has the EEC-IV computer system. Is the timing adjustment something that can be adjusted by an average person? What tools are needed? Thanks for any help. Dave 88' F150 92' Sable == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:19:33 -0400 From: "Golly, Scott M" Subject: [none] There is nothing to it. A couple of tips: If you have pulsation in the pedal now, replace the rotors, they are only 35 bucks but make sure that you buy good US steel. They can be found at NAPA. If the calipers are sticking, don't rebuild them replace them. In Maryland (auto store here) it is only $3 more to buy the rebuilt caliper than the rebuild kit so your time is worth that. Nothing else big. The calipers are held together with v-Clips which are to v strips of metal with rubber between them. Pinch the Vs together and tap them out the other side with a screw driver. Make sure that you replace the V-Clips with new ones (don't spend more than $6 for them though), It helps limit the pulsation on the new rotors. Scott M. Golly - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:13:05 -0500 From: Robert M Sands m-sands juno.com> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Disc Brakes I need to replace the brakes on my 92 F-150 (300 CID). Any body have any advice they would care to lend before I start the job ? I have'nt even looked to see what I might be in for yet. Past brake jobs were never that big of a deal. For instance : How are the calipurs secured on this particular year and model ? Anything to watch out for with the ABS ? Any comments on the type of replacement brake linings/pads to use ? Thanks ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:11:12 -0500 From: Paul M Radecki Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: [none] (oil leak) >>I have a 94' Ford F-150. I just bought it in June used. It had an oil leak ***SNIPPED*** >>don't want anything else going wrong on my beautiful truck. The engine is a >>standard shift, 5 speed, V-6, 2 wheel drive. Just FYI, Shannon, it's not a V-6. Unless somebody did a very weird engine swap, it's an inline 6 or a V-8. I only mention this because the more details about your truck you appear to know, the less likely a dishonest mechanic will try to screw you. I also have a '94, very much like yours, and I like it a lot. They are beautiful trucks, also reliable and tough. Mine is an Oxford White XL with a matching bed topper, smoke tinted windows and bug deflector, and old-style factory aluminum slot mags. lordjanusz juno.com '94 F150 300ci I-6 '73 F100 FE V-8 ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:55:04 -0500 From: "Waddell" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:dash&brake repair Thanks all for the dash repair input, I haven't decided yet. I have another question. My front end makes a lot of noise, sounds like bearings and when I apply the brakes it disappears. I looked at the rotors and noticed there's a caliper support key that worked it self loose on the front right wheel is there suppose to be a caliper support spring to keep the key in position? and what holds the caliper to the rotor? Its on an '81 f-100 inline 6, auto,ps,1/2 ton. Thanks for any information about this problem. Larry == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:09:43 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment >I have an old problem that I hope one of you can provide one of you can >provide an explanation for... > >I have an 88' F150 (302ci w/AOD transmission). For the last 160,000 miles >the check engine light has flashed. More so in cool weather than hot. I >have used a hand-held code reader and it said that the EGR valve was not >working properly. So, I replaced it with an aftermarket unit I purchased at >PEP BOYS. The problem came back about a week later, so I took it to my Ford >dealer and they said that it needed an EGR valve. I said "no, thank you I >just put a new one on a week ago...". I have replaced the O2 sensor also, >but no change. The mileage is around 13.5mpg and the engine feels very >weak. > >Could the lack of power be a timing issue? If so, can the timing be >adjusted on this engine. It has the EEC-IV computer system. Is the timing >adjustment something that can be adjusted by an average person? What tools >are needed? > I would check the ignition timing. There is a little plastic plug that plugs into the wiring harness near the base of the distributor. It might be taped up. Just pull the plug out of it and it will disable the computer's timing control. Then start the engine and check the timing at idle with a timing light. It is supposed to be 10 deg BTDC. Once it is set, shut it off and replace the plug in the wiring. The EGR tube could be all plugged up with carbon. Maybe that is why it is saying it is no good. I just went through the top end of my 88 F-150 with about 130,000 miles. The cam lobes were worn really bad, so I replaced it with a Crane Compucam and am happy with the results. Mine had a double roller timing chain from the factory that was still pretty good, but I replaced it anyway. Also put in new valve seals. I did not pull the heads as the compression was really great. Installed a set of shorty headers too. She runs really strong now and gets about 15 mpg. This truck has a jap 5 speed overdrive and is a 4x4. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:57:09 -0400 From: Dave Heverin Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment Blake, Thanks for the input. I understand how to check the timing (use a timing light to shine a beam onto the indicator at the front of the engine), but HOW is the timing adjusted? Does the distributor need to be rotated? I noticed that there seems to be a metal tab at the base of the distributor shaft that is held in place with a screw. Do I loosen that to rotate the distributor? I'll check the EGR tube. Good suggestion, why didn't the dealer think to do that???? Dave - -----Original Message----- From: Blake Malkamaki [mailto:blake little-mountain.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:10 AM To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment >I have an old problem that I hope one of you can provide one of you can >provide an explanation for... > >I have an 88' F150 (302ci w/AOD transmission). For the last 160,000 miles >the check engine light has flashed. More so in cool weather than hot. I >have used a hand-held code reader and it said that the EGR valve was not >working properly. So, I replaced it with an aftermarket unit I purchased at >PEP BOYS. The problem came back about a week later, so I took it to my Ford >dealer and they said that it needed an EGR valve. I said "no, thank you I >just put a new one on a week ago...". I have replaced the O2 sensor also, >but no change. The mileage is around 13.5mpg and the engine feels very >weak. > >Could the lack of power be a timing issue? If so, can the timing be >adjusted on this engine. It has the EEC-IV computer system. Is the timing >adjustment something that can be adjusted by an average person? What tools >are needed? > I would check the ignition timing. There is a little plastic plug that plugs into the wiring harness near the base of the distributor. It might be taped up. Just pull the plug out of it and it will disable the computer's timing control. Then start the engine and check the timing at idle with a timing light. It is supposed to be 10 deg BTDC. Once it is set, shut it off and replace the plug in the wiring. The EGR tube could be all plugged up with carbon. Maybe that is why it is saying it is no good. I just went through the top end of my 88 F-150 with about 130,000 miles. The cam lobes were worn really bad, so I replaced it with a Crane Compucam and am happy with the results. Mine had a double roller timing chain from the factory that was still pretty good, but I replaced it anyway. Also put in new valve seals. I did not pull the heads as the compression was really great. Installed a set of shorty headers too. She runs really strong now and gets about 15 mpg. This truck has a jap 5 speed overdrive and is a 4x4. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:47:23 -0500 From: Roy Houston Subject: FTE 80-96 - suspension, poly bushings All this talk about radius arm bushings has got me working... Who's got the best price on a full set of bushings? I want all of 'em, radius arm, springs, control arms, etc. I've got a tie rod end to replace too. I was thinking of getting some 3/4 ton springs from the salvage to replace my 1/2s in the front. Mine are saggin' real bad and I'm forever into the tires, 10.5 x 31.5 BFG AT T/As. Will the mountings fit? If it makes the front too tall maybe I'll stick some 1" - 2" blocks in the rear. Thanks y'all. Hey Dave H. and Jim Cannon, how 'bout them 60 degree mornings, eh? Roy Roy Houston Richmond, TX (Houston southwest 'burb) 85 F-150XL SC 351W H.O 4V C4 98 GMC Safari 4.3 houston1 _at_ slb _dot_ com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:28:30 -0700 From: Eric Sneed Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - suspension, poly bushings Are =BE ton coils a direct replacement for the =BD coils? If so how = much lift will I get? Eric 89 =BD ton -----Original Message----- From: Roy Houston [SMTP:houston1 slb.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 8:47 AM To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 80-96 - suspension, poly bushings All this talk about radius arm bushings has got me working... Who's got the best price on a full set of bushings? I want all of 'em, radius arm, springs, control arms, etc. I've got a tie rod end to replace too. I was thinking of getting some 3/4 ton springs from the salvage to replace my 1/2s in the front. Mine are saggin' real bad and I'm forever into the tires, 10.5 x 31.5 BFG AT T/As. Will the mountings fit? If it makes the front too tall maybe I'll stick some 1" - 2" blocks in the rear. Thanks y'all. Hey Dave H. and Jim Cannon, how 'bout them 60 degree mornings, eh? Roy Roy Houston Richmond, TX (Houston southwest 'burb) 85 F-150XL SC 351W H.O 4V C4=20 98 GMC Safari 4.3=20 houston1 _at_ slb _dot_ com =3D=3D FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:22:40 -0400 From: "Michael McCarthy" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment I have been reading your discussion and you might want to check the gasket and / or the condition of the after market EGR valve. I bought one and in about a week the gasket crumbled and the EGR valve was virtually worthless in that condition. In addition, I have been told and also read in the Haynes Emission Control Manual that it is a "good" idea to replace the EGR valve with a dealer part rather than an after market part because of the sensitivity of the emission system to the performance of the EGR valve. Do what you want, but I thought I should let you know. Michael McCarthy Export, PA - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Heverin To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:57 AM Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment >Blake, > >Thanks for the input. I understand how to check the timing (use a timing >light to shine a beam onto the indicator at the front of the engine), but >HOW is the timing adjusted? Does the distributor need to be rotated? I >noticed that there seems to be a metal tab at the base of the distributor >shaft that is held in place with a screw. Do I loosen that to rotate the >distributor? > >I'll check the EGR tube. Good suggestion, why didn't the dealer think to do >that???? > >Dave > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Blake Malkamaki [mailto:blake little-mountain.com] >Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:10 AM >To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com >Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment > > >>I have an old problem that I hope one of you can provide one of you can >>provide an explanation for... >> >>I have an 88' F150 (302ci w/AOD transmission). For the last 160,000 miles >>the check engine light has flashed. More so in cool weather than hot. I >>have used a hand-held code reader and it said that the EGR valve was not >>working properly. So, I replaced it with an aftermarket unit I purchased >at >>PEP BOYS. The problem came back about a week later, so I took it to my >Ford >>dealer and they said that it needed an EGR valve. I said "no, thank you I >>just put a new one on a week ago...". I have replaced the O2 sensor also, >>but no change. The mileage is around 13.5mpg and the engine feels very >>weak. >> >>Could the lack of power be a timing issue? If so, can the timing be >>adjusted on this engine. It has the EEC-IV computer system. Is the timing >>adjustment something that can be adjusted by an average person? What tools >>are needed? >> > >I would check the ignition timing. There is a little plastic plug that >plugs into the wiring harness near the base of the distributor. It might be >taped up. Just pull the plug out of it and it will disable the computer's >timing control. Then start the engine and check the timing at idle with a >timing light. It is supposed to be 10 deg BTDC. Once it is set, shut it off >and replace the plug in the wiring. > >The EGR tube could be all plugged up with carbon. Maybe that is why it is >saying it is no good. > >I just went through the top end of my 88 F-150 with about 130,000 miles. >The cam lobes were worn really bad, so I replaced it with a Crane Compucam >and am happy with the results. Mine had a double roller timing chain from >the factory that was still pretty good, but I replaced it anyway. Also put >in new valve seals. I did not pull the heads as the compression was really >great. Installed a set of shorty headers too. She runs really strong now >and gets about 15 mpg. This truck has a jap 5 speed overdrive and is a 4x4. > > >Blake >Little Mountain >Concord, Ohio >Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake >"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." >"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:27:44 EDT From: Awfanning aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage In a message dated 9/17/99 3:54:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Blake writes: > No doubt it depends on the specific engine, trans and vehicle characteristics, but on my '82 F-150 with 300 ci engine, 2.73 rear axle ratio, and 4 spd manual OD trans I get a couple of miles better MPG in 4th (OD) than in 3rd (1:1 ratio) at about any rpm the engine will pull. At 60 mph I'm under 1500 rpm in 4th. I once had a driving computer hooked up that gave me instantaneous and trip average mpg readouts. Quite entertaining when you are going down hill with you foot off the gas pedal and seeing... whoa! 147 mpg or the like. Alan Fanning == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:39:10 -0700 From: Vogt Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Radius arm Bushings On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, "Radoje Spasojevic" wrote: > > For durability I would go with the poly bushings. There are those that say > the rubber bushings are better for off road because they are softer, but I > have also been told that the companies that make poly bushings make them to > be softer and firmer depending on the application. This isn't the same in a TTB application because they are not carrying the weight as they are in a leaf sprung one. All they are is a hinge point. I replaced mine and noticed no difference other than the fact that when I look under there now I don't have to worry that they will fall out from rot. Birken == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:56:10 -0400 From: Dave Heverin Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment Mike, thanks for the info. Maybe I'll just go buy an EGR from the dealer (even though they are a premium price...) Dave - -----Original Message----- From: Michael McCarthy [mailto:mpmccarthy worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 1:23 PM To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment I have been reading your discussion and you might want to check the gasket and / or the condition of the after market EGR valve. I bought one and in about a week the gasket crumbled and the EGR valve was virtually worthless in that condition. In addition, I have been told and also read in the Haynes Emission Control Manual that it is a "good" idea to replace the EGR valve with a dealer part rather than an after market part because of the sensitivity of the emission system to the performance of the EGR valve. Do what you want, but I thought I should let you know. Michael McCarthy Export, PA == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:37:35 -0400 From: Fletcher Pilling Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1990 F1-50 XLT Hi: This is my first time posting a request so please bear with me. I have a 1990 f-150 supercab with a FI 5.0 and AOD transmission. I have all of the power options for the xlt model. I am looking for information on how to replace my odometer with one that has a tripometer as well. Does anyone have any suggestions? I am also looking for a soft bed cover that can be used with a tool box. Any help would be great. This is a great site and please keep up the work Fletcher Pilling jfpilling home.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:36:29 -0700 From: "Joan and Walt Posluszny" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage Michael, I too have an 85, mine is 4x4 long bed reg cab, 351W-2V, 4 Spd manual O.D., stock limited slips(front & rear) 3.50 RAR, 31x10.5x15's, K&N filter and Jacobs Mileage master, all else stock and I average 13.5 in mixed driving. Do not know what straight highway mileage would be. When I lived in Colorado (5280ft) and traveled between Casper and Denver twice a month I got 17 mpg consistently but that was 14 years ago when the speed limit was 55. Not now. Walt [snip] > The truck is a stock I6-300 for 1985. AOD(?) automatic transmission and I > have no idea about the rear end. Standard tires 15". I haven't modified the > truck at all really. Probably should given the mileage I get. I think it's > all the emission stuff. Soem of it looks pretty loose and it might fall off > some day, who knows? > > Michael McCarthy > Export, PA == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:28:09 -0700 From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw) Subject: FTE 80-96 - 302 loud ticking noise I wasn't sure which list to post this to, so I'm hitting three lists. If it starts looking familiar, I apologize. I've got a '90 Ranger with a '92 302 transplanted into it w/ AOD transmission. A few weeks ago I noticed a slight ticking noise that I thought was a lifter. It got louder when I shifted into drive with the brake on. During the first week the noise came & went and was louder under a load. At idle it is very faint. Now it has gotten worse and is sharper & louder than a lifter and I'm thinking it may be exhaust related. It's not always present when I start the truck but always shows up as the engine warms up. I poked around with a rubber hose on a stethescope and there's no noise inside the valve cover. The noise seems loudest at the passenger side rear of the engine. Unfortunately, the 302 is a tight fit and the A/C evaporator, the valve cover and the air intake all form an interference fit in this area so I can't really directly observe the engine there. The noise is audible over a very loud 3" Borla muffler, so I'd say it's significant. I've got a mechanical temp guage and the engine temp has never been over 220. So does anyone have any suggestions as to what the cause might be and any methods how I could narrow this down? Thanks, Don == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:47:35 -0400 From: Martin Horne Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 loud ticking noise Hi. I had a similar problem with a Jeep 4.0 a few years back that "ticked" very loudly, especially when under heavy loads. It turned out to be a crack in the exhaust manifold on the underside near the head. As the motor warmed up, the manifold expanded and the "tick" got louder. I had it replaced (was a company vehicle) but the shop said it could have been welded if I hadn't been so picky. They had originally tried to convince me it was 1st) an injector and then 2nd) a lifter as it got louder and louder over time. Hope this helps Martin '86 Bronco 302. LI, NY At 04:28 PM 9/17/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I wasn't sure which list to post this to, so I'm hitting three lists. >If it starts looking familiar, I apologize. > >I've got a '90 Ranger with a '92 302 transplanted into it w/ AOD transmission. >A few weeks ago I noticed a slight ticking noise that I thought was a lifter. >It got louder when I shifted into drive with the brake on. During the first >week the noise came & went and was louder under a load. At idle it is very >faint. Now it has gotten worse and is sharper & louder than a lifter and I'm >thinking it may be exhaust related. It's not always present when I start the >truck but always shows up as the engine warms up. I poked around with a >rubber hose on a stethescope and there's no noise inside the valve cover. >The noise seems loudest at the passenger side rear of the engine. >Unfortunately, >the 302 is a tight fit and the A/C evaporator, the valve cover and the air >intake all form an interference fit in this area so I can't really directly >observe the engine there. The noise is audible over a very loud 3" Borla >muffler, so I'd say it's significant. >I've got a mechanical temp guage and the engine temp has never been over 220. >So does anyone have any suggestions as to what the cause might be and any >methods >how I could narrow this down? > >Thanks, >Don >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:49:31 -0500 From: "Ed Mount" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage Walt, maybe you are the guy to answer my question. I have been running back and forth from Missouri to Colorado for the past two years. Every time I get out there in the higher elevations (9000-12000 ft.) my gas mileage on my f150 5.8liter 4X4 goes up, sometimes as high as 17.5 mpg. Here in the flatlands I do good to maintain 13mpg. Nobody seems to know why that happens. Did you observe that in your truck when you lived out there? I am theorizing that maybe my O2 sensor is acting funny. Does that make sense? The speed limit doesn't have anything to do with it on mine, I have tried driving 55-60, still gets a boring 13 mpg. Ed - -----Original Message----- From: Joan and Walt Posluszny To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 5:52 PM Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage |Michael, I too have an 85, mine is 4x4 long bed reg cab, 351W-2V, 4 Spd |manual O.D., stock limited slips(front & rear) 3.50 RAR, 31x10.5x15's, K&N |filter and Jacobs Mileage master, all else stock and I average 13.5 in mixed |driving. Do not know what straight highway mileage would be. When I lived |in Colorado (5280ft) and traveled between Casper and Denver twice a month I |got 17 mpg consistently but that was 14 years ago when the speed limit was |55. Not now. Walt | |[snip] |> The truck is a stock I6-300 for 1985. AOD(?) automatic transmission and I |> have no idea about the rear end. Standard tires 15". I haven't modified the |> truck at all really. Probably should given the mileage I get. I think it's |> all the emission stuff. Soem of it looks pretty loose and it might fall off |> some day, who knows? |> |> Michael McCarthy |> Export, PA |== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html | == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:43:12 -0700 From: Bob Kennedy Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 loud ticking noise Cracked exhaust manifold would be my guess as well. Of course it'll be the hardest one to get to... (Murphy) Bob Donald Paauw wrote: > I wasn't sure which list to post this to, so I'm hitting three lists. > If it starts looking familiar, I apologize. > > I've got a '90 Ranger with a '92 302 transplanted into it w/ AOD transmission. > A few weeks ago I noticed a slight ticking noise that I thought was a lifter. > It got louder when I shifted into drive with the brake on. During the first > week the noise came & went and was louder under a load. At idle it is very > faint. Now it has gotten worse and is sharper & louder than a lifter and I'm > thinking it may be exhaust related. It's not always present when I start the > truck but always shows up as the engine warms up. I poked around with a > rubber hose on a stethescope and there's no noise inside the valve cover. > The noise seems loudest at the passenger side rear of the engine. Unfortunately, > the 302 is a tight fit and the A/C evaporator, the valve cover and the air > intake all form an interference fit in this area so I can't really directly > observe the engine there. The noise is audible over a very loud 3" Borla > muffler, so I'd say it's significant. > I've got a mechanical temp guage and the engine temp has never been over 220. > So does anyone have any suggestions as to what the cause might be and any methods > how I could narrow this down? > > Thanks, > Don > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:50:52 -0500 From: Mike Persell Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 loud ticking noise At 05:43 PM 9/17/99 -0700, you wrote: Or as I recently lived through, if its got a carb, it could be a leaky heat riser valve. >Cracked exhaust manifold would be my guess as well. Of course it'll be the >hardest >one to get to... (Murphy) > >Bob > > >Donald Paauw wrote: > > > I wasn't sure which list to post this to, so I'm hitting three lists. > > If it starts looking familiar, I apologize. > > > > I've got a '90 Ranger with a '92 302 transplanted into it w/ AOD > transmission. > > A few weeks ago I noticed a slight ticking noise that I thought was a > lifter. > > It got louder when I shifted into drive with the brake on. During the > first > > week the noise came & went and was louder under a load. At idle it is very > > faint. Now it has gotten worse and is sharper & louder than a lifter > and I'm > > thinking it may be exhaust related. It's not always present when I > start the > > truck but always shows up as the engine warms up. I poked around with a > > rubber hose on a stethescope and there's no noise inside the valve cover. > > The noise seems loudest at the passenger side rear of the > engine. Unfortunately, > > the 302 is a tight fit and the A/C evaporator, the valve cover and the air > > intake all form an interference fit in this area so I can't really directly > > observe the engine there. The noise is audible over a very loud 3" Borla > > muffler, so I'd say it's significant. > > I've got a mechanical temp guage and the engine temp has never been > over 220. > > So does anyone have any suggestions as to what the cause might be and > any methods > > how I could narrow this down? > > > > Thanks, > > Don > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:06:18 -0500 From: "Ed Mount" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1990 F1-50 XLT Don't know if this applies or not, but will pass it on for what it is worth. I have a 94 F150, and wanted an instrument cluster that had a tachometer. I went to the salvage yard and bought a complete cluster for $100 that had what I wanted. I took out the old cluster (in my truck, it is a complete single unit) plugged in the new one, and the tachometer worked great. No extra wiring had to be done, everything was already in the harness. I had checked with my local Ford dealer, and they had informed me that it wouldn't work without additional wiring, and they wanted almost $500 to do the job. Other Ford folks on the list said it would work, so I chanced it and they were right. I guess what I am saying is maybe you can find a used instrument cluster that has the option you want. I don't know if your model has the electronic speedometer/odometer/tripmeter/tachometer, etc, so this may not work for you. But my advice is just keep asking, someone on this list will know. Also, if your Ford dealer gives you advice, get a second opinion. (Had to get that shot in.) - -----Original Message----- From: Fletcher Pilling To: 80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 4:53 PM Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1990 F1-50 XLT |Hi: This is my first time posting a request so please bear with me. | |I have a 1990 f-150 supercab with a FI 5.0 and AOD transmission. I have |all of the power options for the xlt model. | |I am looking for information on how to replace my odometer with one that |has a tripometer as well. Does anyone have any suggestions? | |I am also looking for a soft bed cover that can be used with a tool box. |Any help would be great. This is a great site and please keep up the |work | |Fletcher Pilling |jfpilling home.com |== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html | == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:05:10 -0500 From: Mike Persell Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage You may have a detonation problem and the system is backing the ignition timing way back. We used to advance timing 2 deg per 1000 ft altitude due to the lack of air. Mike At 07:49 PM 9/17/99 -0500, you wrote: >Walt, maybe you are the guy to answer my question. I have been running back >and forth from Missouri to Colorado for the past two years. Every time I >get out there in the higher elevations (9000-12000 ft.) my gas mileage on my >f150 5.8liter 4X4 goes up, sometimes as high as 17.5 mpg. Here in the >flatlands I do good to maintain 13mpg. Nobody seems to know why that >happens. Did you observe that in your truck when you lived out there? >I am theorizing that maybe my O2 sensor is acting funny. Does that make >sense? The speed limit doesn't have anything to do with it on mine, I have >tried driving 55-60, still gets a boring 13 mpg. > >Ed > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joan and Walt Posluszny >To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com >Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 5:52 PM >Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage > > >|Michael, I too have an 85, mine is 4x4 long bed reg cab, 351W-2V, 4 Spd >|manual O.D., stock limited slips(front & rear) 3.50 RAR, 31x10.5x15's, K&N >|filter and Jacobs Mileage master, all else stock and I average 13.5 in >mixed >|driving. Do not know what straight highway mileage would be. When I lived >|in Colorado (5280ft) and traveled between Casper and Denver twice a month I >|got 17 mpg consistently but that was 14 years ago when the speed limit was >|55. Not now. Walt >| >|[snip] >|> The truck is a stock I6-300 for 1985. AOD(?) automatic transmission and I >|> have no idea about the rear end. Standard tires 15". I haven't modified >the >|> truck at all really. Probably should given the mileage I get. I think >it's >|> all the emission stuff. Soem of it looks pretty loose and it might fall >off >|> some day, who knows? >|> >|> Michael McCarthy >|> Export, PA >|== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html >| > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:04:05 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: timing adjustment >Blake, > >Thanks for the input. I understand how to check the timing (use a timing >light to shine a beam onto the indicator at the front of the engine), but >HOW is the timing adjusted? Does the distributor need to be rotated? I >noticed that there seems to be a metal tab at the base of the distributor >shaft that is held in place with a screw. Do I loosen that to rotate the >distributor? > >I'll check the EGR tube. Good suggestion, why didn't the dealer think to do >that???? > >Dave Yes Dave, you just loosen that 5/16 screw and rotate the distributor -- just like the old ones. If it has not been moved in a long time, it may be stuck and need loosening. I would take the screw out and CAREFULLY try to lift up on it to free it. There is a tool called a distributor puller that you may be able to borrow from someone if need be. You don't need to pull it all the way out- just a fraction of an inch to free it, then rotate it to your timing. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." "An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:03:55 -0500 From: "Ed Mount" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage Mike, how will I know if I have a detonation problem? Other than the low mpg, my truck seems to run just fine. And if I do find a detonation problem, what do I do to the timing to get better mileage in the lowlands? Back it off a few degrees? Ed - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Persell To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 8:18 PM Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage |You may have a detonation problem and the system is backing the ignition timing |way back. We used to advance timing 2 deg per 1000 ft altitude due to the lack |of air. | |Mike | |At 07:49 PM 9/17/99 -0500, you wrote: |>Walt, maybe you are the guy to answer my question. I have been running back |>and forth from Missouri to Colorado for the past two years. Every time I |>get out there in the higher elevations (9000-12000 ft.) my gas mileage on my |>f150 5.8liter 4X4 goes up, sometimes as high as 17.5 mpg. Here in the |>flatlands I do good to maintain 13mpg. Nobody seems to know why that |>happens. Did you observe that in your truck when you lived out there? |>I am theorizing that maybe my O2 sensor is acting funny. Does that make |>sense? The speed limit doesn't have anything to do with it on mine, I have |>tried driving 55-60, still gets a boring 13 mpg. |> |>Ed |> |>-----Original Message----- |>From: Joan and Walt Posluszny |>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com |>Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 5:52 PM |>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage |> |> |>|Michael, I too have an 85, mine is 4x4 long bed reg cab, 351W-2V, 4 Spd |>|manual O.D., stock limited slips(front & rear) 3.50 RAR, 31x10.5x15's, K&N |>|filter and Jacobs Mileage master, all else stock and I average 13.5 in |>mixed |>|driving. Do not know what straight highway mileage would be. When I lived |>|in Colorado (5280ft) and traveled between Casper and Denver twice a month I |>|got 17 mpg consistently but that was 14 years ago when the speed limit was |>|55. Not now. Walt |>| |>|[snip] |>|> The truck is a stock I6-300 for 1985. AOD(?) automatic transmission and I |>|> have no idea about the rear end. Standard tires 15". I haven't modified |>the |>|> truck at all really. Probably should given the mileage I get. I think |>it's |>|> all the emission stuff. Soem of it looks pretty loose and it might fall |>off |>|> some day, who knows? |>|> |>|> Michael McCarthy |>|> Export, PA |>|== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html |>| |> |>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html | |== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html | == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:11:50 -0700 From: "Dave Pitt" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Ford Truck Enthusiasts post >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:52:56 -0700 >From: Eric Sneed >Subject: FTE 80-96 - Radius arm Bushings > >I need to replace the radius arm bushings on my 89 150 and had a couple >of questions. >1. what grade, size bolts should I use once I grind off the rivets >2. Should I use rubber or poly bushings, I called the dealer and >they said that the front bushings are poly and the rear is rubber. >3. Is grinding and beating the rivets out the best way to go? > >Any help would be appreciated > >Eric >1989 F150 L6 4sp 4x4 > > >Eric, > >Don't grind or cut the rivets. The rivets are put there for a reason. They >are stronger then bolts. Get some friends and get a big bar [read heavy] or >a small chain fall. Pull, push or jack the axle forward to get the bushings >out. It isn't as hard as it sounds. Thats how my tech's do it at my shop. >They can have set in aprox. 30-45 minutes. > >Dave == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:22:08 -0500 From: Mike Persell Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage At 10:03 PM 9/17/99 -0500, you wrote: The knock sensors work very fast and they sense vibration in the engine and dial back the timing until the vibration stops, you won't know it happened. I kicked mine by cleaning out the combustion chambers with a couple of cans of Techroline and then I used a higher octane gas. The gas mileage jumped way up and the engine operating temp went down a little. Since then I use a can of Techroline every 3 months. Mike >Mike, how will I know if I have a detonation problem? Other than the low >mpg, my truck seems to run just fine. And if I do find a detonation >problem, what do I do to the timing to get better mileage in the lowlands? >Back it off a few degrees? >Ed >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Persell >To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com >Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 8:18 PM >Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage > > >|You may have a detonation problem and the system is backing the ignition >timing >|way back. We used to advance timing 2 deg per 1000 ft altitude due to the >lack >|of air. >| >|Mike >| >|At 07:49 PM 9/17/99 -0500, you wrote: >|>Walt, maybe you are the guy to answer my question. I have been running >back >|>and forth from Missouri to Colorado for the past two years. Every time I >|>get out there in the higher elevations (9000-12000 ft.) my gas mileage on >my >|>f150 5.8liter 4X4 goes up, sometimes as high as 17.5 mpg. Here in the >|>flatlands I do good to maintain 13mpg. Nobody seems to know why that >|>happens. Did you observe that in your truck when you lived out there? >|>I am theorizing that maybe my O2 sensor is acting funny. Does that make >|>sense? The speed limit doesn't have anything to do with it on mine, I.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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