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80-96-list-digest Thursday, September 16 1999 Volume 03 : Number 259



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: pro*jection info
Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 Fuel injection '93 F-150
FTE 80-96 - Ford to be at off road event for Explorer owners.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Making a healthier 302?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Feinstein-Gorton amendment (CAFE standards)
FTE 80-96 - Less posts than usual on Digest???
Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 Fuel injection '93 F-150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Less posts than usual on Digest???
Re: FTE 80-96 - Making a healthier 302?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 05:45:32 -0700
From: johnhfleming juno.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: pro*jection info

I don't have a PJ system but I did have the vapor lock problem with my
old GMC MH. I added an extra in line type electric fuel pump at one of
the connection points in the fuel line between the tank and the engine
and mounted it to the frame. I haven't had the vapor lock problem since
and that was at least 15 years ago. It does sound a bit like a garbage
disposal when you sit at a stop light but I don't loose my engine or
power brakes on that downhill section just after a long, hot, uphill
pull. That was a bad dream come true.

Didn't help the milage though....oh well

John

> average of "just plain bad") mileage, etc.
> I've re-routed the fuel lines off the block/water pump area to
> outside the
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:45:29 -0500
From: "Ed Mount"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 Fuel injection '93 F-150

Bill, I had very similar symptoms with my car about a year ago. A mechanic
quickly evaluated the situation and said I probably had a vacuum leak
somewhere. He found it and fixed it.
Ed
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Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:40 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 302 Fuel injection '93 F-150


> I am seeking info on rich and lean mixture control, if any, with this f.i.
> system. All of a sudden my power has dropped and my fuel mileage has
gotten
> about 25% better. I'm not complaining about the mileage, but I sure do
miss
> the power. I checked the plugs (new 6000 miles ago) and they appear to be
> like they just came out of the box-- no discoloration what-so-ever. Pure
> white porcelain, no carbon, nadda!! I'm getting some intermittent
"pinging"
> which could be a lean condition (good mileage - no power). Haven't looked
at
> codes or spent any time at Ford shop......yet. Don't really want to. Any
> suggestions? I'm a good listener. Waiting.
>
> Bill B., Radcliff,KY
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:02:17 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford to be at off road event for Explorer owners.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Shaw, Steve [mailto:steve.shaw cdott.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 9:57 AM
To: Greg Carter (E-mail)
Subject: Here's something a little different


Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:56:19 -0700
From: Rick Horwitz
>
Subject: Colorado Explorer Run
To: Offroad offroadlist.com

Explorer Owners! Join us in Salida, Colorado for the Colorado Fall Colors
Run. Ford will be sending SEVERAL of their engineering group on this run.
This is your opportunity to have your voice be heard by the people who can
make a difference. Do you have an empty front seat? Let a Ford rep ride
along with you. Right now we have more reps than front seats! Let's show
these guys and gals a good time and tell them what we want in the way of
future Ford SUV's.

Scheduled for October 8-11, we plan to bop 'til you drop with mountains and
passes, streams and lakes, mines and ghost towns. The meeting place will
be Salida, Colorado, a great little town on the Arkansas River and gateway
to the "Fourteeners." Chaffe County, CO, has more mountains over 14,000
feet than any other place in North America and we will 'wheel in the shadow
of some great ones and, weather permitting, even drive up one.

For full details and to sign up online check out:
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Hope to see you there!

Rick Horwitz
Editor
"Off the Beaten Trail"
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explorer 4x4 central. com

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:08:45 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Making a healthier 302?

>Its a short bed stepside. Would a net help a little? Of course I have put
>synthetics
>where I can and keep ignition parts up to date.

So did those synthetics double your milage or do anything that they claim?


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."


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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:14:25 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage

>I recently started tracking the gas mileage on my 85 F150 I6-300 and found
>that I get a whopping 12.6 miles to the gallon. I do live in hill country in
>Western Pennsylvania & all of my driving is city driving but that seems
>pretty poor. I think it is about in line with what other I6-300's of my
>vintage get but then again maybe not. It has been a very dependable truck
>and it will pull a house, even though it is a bit gutless.
>The question is, what have others done to improve the gas mileage in these
>engines? I know this has been a topic of discussion before but I need a
>refresher course.
>

That is pretty bad for an empty pickup with a 6 cylinder. We had an 86
F-150 4x4 with the 300 and 4 speed. It got 17 mpg.

My 88 with 302 and jap overdrive gets about 15.

We had a 76 F-150 4x4 with a 360 and 4 speed and it got 12 mpg. But that
truck had torque and lots of power!


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."


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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:29:48 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Feinstein-Gorton amendment (CAFE standards)

> It is time for the annual attempt by certain politicians to limit
>the manufacture of trucks. Senators Feinstein (D,CA) and Gorton (R,WA)
>have introduced an amendment to the FY2000 Transportation Appropriations
>bill which would allow the DOT to raise Corporate Average Fuel Economy
>(CAFE) standards for light trucks. CAFE standards are designed to limit
>the number of trucks and SUVs automakers can sell, which in turn causes
>prices to inflate. Ford must make a huge profit on every Expedition they
>sell because they are practically giving away Escorts in order to meet
>their mandated Corporate Average Fuel Economy. This is why you can no
>longer buy an inexpensive new truck.
> If you don't want the Government deciding what kind of vehicle you
>are allowed to drive, you can find your Senators' email addresses here:
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.earthlaw.org/Activist/senatadd.htm

Just another reason to vote out these gun grabbing, freedom grabbing, off
road trail closing, and want-to-regulate-everything-in-our-lives liberals.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject...."


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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:55:17 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Less posts than usual on Digest???

Last three Digests only 3 or 4 posts long?
Anyone else?

Dave H.
Houston, TX
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:44:43 EDT
From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 Fuel injection '93 F-150

Ed,
Thanks for the comeback. If there is avacuum leak somewhere, it must be a
small one. I have a gauge and the vacuum tested at spec per Haynes book. I'll
keep looking, maybe have it at Ford garage for a complete diagnostic test.
Thanks again,
Bill B.
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:16:14 EDT
From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Less posts than usual on Digest???

Same here Dave..was wondering about it also!?
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:21:54 -0500
From: Mike Persell
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Making a healthier 302?

At 09:08 PM 9/15/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Its a short bed stepside. Would a net help a little? Of course I have put
> >synthetics
> >where I can and keep ignition parts up to date.
>
>So did those synthetics double your milage or do anything that they claim?

15 mpg on the highway with the AC on during a Dallas summer. It's not too
bad, I'd just like to eek out a little more power. The best change was the oil
in the differential. Oil pressure stays up even in the heat. Of course I'm
a picky
SOB due to my background in the lubes business, just a paid nerd now.

Got a friend who has a 98 Subdivision (suburban) with a 454. Changed the engine
oil at 10,000 to Mobil 1 and went up 1 mpg. I told him to change the
differential
to 75-90 synthetic and he went up to 13.5 mpg. Gear oils are ignored and can
generally help the most, especially on those balmy Ohio winters.

Mike
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:44:00 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage

I thought 12.6 MPG was bad myself, but I am at a loss as to what to do about
it. I have recently overhauled basically everything under the hood including
a replacing the carburetor and I thought my gas mileage would improve.
Especially since the old carb was leaking fuel through a crack in the
housing.
One thing I forgot to mention about my 85 I6-300 with regard to gas mileage
is that the truck was originally purchased in California. It has all of the
smog stuff on it. I mean, all of it.
I am a shade tree mechanic so I haven't had the carb "professionally" tuned
but the truck idles at the proper RPM's and seems to run reasonably well.
Any suggestions on what to do next would be appreciated.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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From: Blake Malkamaki
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage


>>
>
>That is pretty bad for an empty pickup with a 6 cylinder. We had an 86
>F-150 4x4 with the 300 and 4 speed. It got 17 mpg.
>
>My 88 with 302 and jap overdrive gets about 15.
>
>We had a 76 F-150 4x4 with a 360 and 4 speed and it got 12 mpg. But that
>truck had torque and lots of power!
>
>
>Blake
>Little Mountain
>Concord, Ohio
>Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/oilwell
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
>"Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed."....


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